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Been seeing a lot of vegan bait threads recently but here's an attempt at a serious thread.
What's up with the posts recently about that chick who died climbing Mount Everest? A bit odd that a board that used to be about health wants to paint her diet as her reason to failure but will keep mum about the overwhelming deaths due to the consumption of animal based products.
Anyway, let's start simple right.
What'd you Vegs eat today?
I just had a tofu quesadilla with some home made vegan cheese and a bunch of tasty veggies.
Bumping with information
That woman died on the way down from altitude sickness, meat eaters climb Everest all the time and die, I think she proved her point
C'mon /fit/. Let's take a break from all these meme threads and have a serious discussion about adopting a healthier lifestyle
>>37322809
I would just like to understand where the hating vegans meme came from
I don't do dairy either
Ate two Weetabix with coconut milk and a banana for breakfast
Two wholegrain peanut butter rolls, two hard-boiled eggs, a carrot, a portion of grapes and a portion of strawberries for lunch
Pasta with Quorn chunks, peas, carrot and Dolmio sauce for tea
Plan on a bowl of baked beans, an orange, green apple and a portion of raw spinach later
>>37322857
If it's socially acceptable to ridicule those who are different then people will do it. The "vegans tell everyone they're vegan" meme has been around for fucking forever, it just seems to have gotten some attention on social media a bit more of late from my perspective
>>37322846
>being a vegan is healthier
I thought you wanted to avoid memes
>>37322941
But there have been so many studies, my guy
Becoming vegetarian is far easier than it's made out to be, honestly, you're doing better for the world and yourself. I personally made the change for moral reasons but I know this isn't the place to discuss that.
>>37322981
Yeah studies like this one >>37322857, right? Where you compare vegans, a group of people who are generally more informed about nutrition and healthy lifestyle obviously since they're very conscious about what they eat, to your everyday people who don't know what macros mean let alone micros, eat mcdonalds for dinner and finish their day with wendys?
Your out of context cherry picking studies just make you seem laughable
>>37322981
and none of those studies have controlled for omnivores that actually pay attention to what they eat and are the same BMI as their vegan participants
of course the fatass who lives on big macs and fries is going to have heart disease while the vegan who painstakingly prepares xyr's own meals isn't
>>37322682
>What'd you Vegs eat today?
Scoops, milk, pancakes, some left over beans, preworkout, and I'll probably be eating pizza and maybe some eggs before bed.
>>37323022
You make a good point there. Truth be told it's hard to make a solid conclusion since we can't really use people like Guinea pigs. But it is hard to deny the link between consuming animals and heart diseases.
And even if we ignore the health implications of eating meat you definitely have to acknowledge the environmental effects of trying to feed a planet of humans with such an unsustainable food source
>>37323063
>But it is hard to deny the link between consuming animals and heart diseases.
It's not, it has been studies that if you eat properly, eating meat doesn't have any effect in that regard at all. It's when you eat shit processed meat (that's majority of people) that it's a problem. I don't have links because I haven't saved them but if you really care and are a vegan and go around telling people what's healthier than what, you should have them so go search them
>have to acknowledge the environmental effects of trying to feed a planet of humans with such an unsustainable food source
I don't give a shit about any of this
>>37323044
I realize these pictures aren't an effective way to display a study but I figured no one would click on links if I presented them. There are many studies that show a link between all sorts of heart related diseases. This disregards how the meat was prepared, organic or gmo infested garbage. Whatever. Consuming large amounts of animal products is not good for your health
>>37323063
Really, the only excuse for not making the change you can't argue with is a matter of taste. But that's a shitty argument anyway and totally subjective
>>37322682
Literally every single time a group goes to climb Everest it's guaranteed at least 1 person won't be making it back.
In this case the person was a vegan and fit collectively lost their shit and blamed it on the diet.
fucking idiot americans in this thread with their black or white way of thought.
Why must you eat HUGE amounts of meat OR huge amount of vegs and cut meat off completely?
Just eat meat once a week,fish once a week and legumes vegetables and cereals on the rest of the days.its more ecologically viable,healthier and easier.
Come to the mediterranean,we'll teach you fatties to eat.
>>37323175
Not American
Not eating meat 'cause it's a cruel industry
>>37323201
and plants are not living organisms? why is it more ethically justified to plant a seed,watch it grow and uproot it at its prime,slice it up and consume it?
get off your high horse.
>>37323239
You realize that meat eats plants, right?
that, if you eat meat, you are effectively killing significantly more plants than if you just ate plants, right?
come to America, we'll teach you how to think, stupid
>>37323259
kek this has to be bait
okay then lets wipe off all the animals so they dont eat innocent plants.
meat eaters 1
vegans 0
>>37323125
I'm not in any sort of vegan debate team or some shit but I can show you studies.
You could probably show me studies is well. But here in the U.S. The food and agriculture industry has a lot of money and can fund many bogus studies. Would you really believe a study funded by the food industry? The same industry that strong arms our government to feed kids shitty food and include pizza as a vegetable?
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-a-livable-future/projects/meatless_monday/resources/meat_consumption.html
>>37323276
what are you on about, you retard
if killing plants is immoral, then eating meat is way worse than eating plants, because in order to eat meat, first you have to grow the meat by killing plants
idiot
>>37322682
All /fit/ needed right now. Another "vegan is better" thread in disguise.
>>37323276
It's not bait. He's saying that the agricultural industry that raises animals effectively consumes much more plants than humans who eat vegetables. I don't understand why trolls resort to this "argument"
>>37323292
That's a fact
And the only argument against it is >vegans are educated people who know what's good for them. Kek
>>37323239
There is no evidence to suggest plants can have any kind of emotional response to trauma, whereas there's a plethora of evidence that suggests animals do. There's not even evidence that plants even feel pain, as far as we know it's all just natural mechanisms.
Either way, fruits and nuts are supposed to be eaten by animals in order to spread the seeds
>>37323288
>>37323300
you could fish or hunt for your food.i dont grow the fish i catch every weekend.aint nobody said you have to buy it from large corporations.also >>37323284
the companies that sell you overpriced quinoa from exploited peruvians and overpriced mangos and lichi from exploited brazilians,peruvians,indians and chinese slavers are part of the food/agriculture industry.
>>37323327
yes, there are people exploited in all industries.
what does that have to do with anything we're saying?
>>37323292
what do I gain from baiting anyone? I genuinely believe that all the hate comes from ignorance and so I would like to inform.
You don't really think a thread about a diet is worse than a thread about Chad right?
>>37322682
Her diet is being riticuled because she climbed everest with the explicit intent of proving vegans could do anything.
Had she just been a vegan who happend to die climb everest nobody would care.
>>37323354
this.also fuck off to /ck/ with this shit.
I'm a vegan femanon and even I am tired of the lies spread by vegan extremists. It's so annoying and counter productive and collectively gives vegans a bad rep. Even this peta >>37322846 infograph is sort of misleading. Adult women need 18mg iron, preferably more, period (pun very intended). Iron absorption varies from people to people and as a vegan I need to eat twice the amount iron from plants in hopes of absorbing the right amount of iron I need to keep it at a normal level. When that doesn't happen I have to either resort to iron pills and or iron infusions.
>>37323572
which lies are you referring to?
also,
>I'm a grill teehee
fuck off, cunt
>>37323616
>you can get everything you need from a vegan diet
>b12 can be obtained from unwashed veggies, dirt or from your own feces
>gorillas are herbivorous, true vegans, why can't humans also be herbivorous?
>vegans don't destroy the environment
etc. teehee
>fucks off
>>37323669
>you can get everything you need from a vegan diet
You can get everything you need from a vegan diet.
>b12 can be obtained from unwashed veggies, dirt or from your own feces
nobody says this
>gorillas are herbivorous, true vegans, why can't humans also be herbivorous?
nobody says this either
>vegans don't destroy the environment
literally nobody has ever even begun to think this
>>37323708
I've heard all that.
Also, typical vegan rebuttals to meat eaters
>enjoy your cancer
>enjoy your heart diseases
et al. Just peer pressuring people through lies for the most part.
>>37323742
no you haven't
also, meat was shown to be carcinogenic
also, meat causes heart disease
You haven't given a single lie, apart from the lies you are spreading about things nobody has ever said
>>37323755
Toxins in vegetables were shown to be carcinogenic.
Toxins in vegetable oil causes cancer, heart diseases, diabetes, etc.
http://www.dmu.ac.uk/about-dmu/news/2015/july/dmu-research-on-healthiest-cooking-oils-revealed-on-bbcs-trust-me,-im-a-doctor.aspx
See? No diet is proven to be better. Actually, at present, an omnivore diet is still ideal. What puts veganism above other diets is simply the humane part.
>>37323708
>You can get everything you need from a vegan diet.
This is flat out a lie. Without supplements or medicaments, you can't get everything you need from a vegan diet. Holy shit dude, I'm a vegan and I know this.
>>37323894
why can't vegans use supplements?
>>37323908
They can, but then they can no longer claim they can get all the essentials from a vegan diet alone.
>>37323962
But you can; you jsut said you can
there is nothing not vegan about supplements
>>37323962
What do you think you can't get from a vegan diet?
>>37323975
Don't twist my words. Through supplementation, yes. Through vegan diet alone, no.
>>37323992
B12
>>37323992
Also, it's not "what I think." It's just reality. B12 can't be obtained from a vegan diet alone.
>>37324058
>>37324076
yes it can
I just had b12 fortified nutritional yeast
how is that not diet?
you don't need pills; you can eat fortified foods
>>37324076
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10794633
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12656203
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19256490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430774
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8926531
>>37324118
Yeast alone doesn't have B12. The b12 added to it is a synthetic dietary supplement. B12 can't be obtained naturally from a vegan diet.
>>37324166
it's not any more synthetic than anything else. Do you think people make b12 from it's atoms?
It's from bacteria, just like any other b12. Why, when you put it in a food, is that not a food? When I put salt on my food, is that not diet?
What distinction do you think you're drawing?
>>37322682
Whatever pussy, enjoy your nogains and miserable existence while I enjoy the succulent flavor of these sentient beings.
>>37324121
Seen & read those. The B12 in those plants are mostly pseudovitamin B12 (not real B12). No use.
>>37324212
nori cured b12 deficiency in rats
vegans eating it for 4-10 years show no signs of b12 deficiency and normal serum b12 levels
fuck off fag
>>37324242
Some people can store B12 for years until signs of B12 deficiency can appear. The studies are inconclusive and at present no plant or animal is capable of producing B12.
>>37324188
the distinction is that many foods contain salt naturally, while zero vegan foods contain B12 naturally.
>>37324290
Who cares if they contain it naturally? Cake isn't natural. Are you saying that if someone eats cake, that's a supplement and not diet?
>>37324307
If the cake is made with animal products (e-g milk), it will naturally have some B12, whereas a vegan cake will naturally have zero B12, unless supplements are used, then it's not longer naturally.
>>37324358
You are literally retarded
I don't understand why you keep harping on the word "naturally." You are the only one who brought it up.
I said you can get everything you need on a vegan diet.
You transformed that into "diet naturally" where neither "diet" nor "naturally" have any meaning whatsoever.
Regardless, you cannot say that food that you eat isn't diet. And since nutritional yeast is food that you eat, and it contains b12, you can get b12 from a vegan diet - the foods that vegans can eat.
>>37324380
B12 fortified food is not readily accessible anywhere and you cannot get B12 from a vegan diet alone.
>>37323962
You only need to take b12, which is made by bacteria
>>37324409
well that's just false, isn't it
and you can, as I've shown
the only way you could even attempt to argue that you can't, is to unnaturally twist the word "diet" until it's devoid of any mean, and you spend post after post failing to come up with a meaning that will satisfy your need to have it exclude what it needs to.
and that's just pathetic
>>37324414
Precisely, and sometimes iron because iron from plants can be difficult to absorb. Conclusion. You cannot get all you need from a vegan diet alone.
>>37324449
That doesn't address what I said at all, buddy
You're just now trying to create meaning out of need, instead of accepting a meaning for what it is.
A diet is what you eat. You can eat nutritional yeast. If you do that, you will get b12
that's what the words mean, man. They don't mean whatever you want at a given juncture
>>37322682
>mentions there's been a lot of vegan bait threads
>posts a vegan bait thread
>>37324459
There's a different between diet and dietary supplement, the latter of which sometimes need to be prescribed by a doctor. I'm only providing logically responses to all your posts.
>>37324476
Except you haven't explained why food falls into dietary supplement and not diet
And next you are going to try to parse a food's content into the dietary part and the supplement part - and you will have no meaning behind that either
you will say one is natural and the other is not, yet that doesn't have meaning either, as it's all natural. There is nothing more natural about raising pigs in a pen than cultivating yeast in a petri dish
You don't have meanings, and so you can say whatever you want
>>37324503
*cultivating bacteria
>>37324503
The point being that you cannot get all you need from a vegan diet alone without supplements. There's no way to explain this any better.
>>37324290
>he studies are inconclusive
0/10
>no plant or animal is capable of producing B12
but algae can and algae are vegan , you're not even trying anymore
>>37324524
The point is wrong though, because you can
unless you think adding one natural thing (bacteria) to another (yeast) makes a thing a supplement and not food.
but that would require a definition of these terms that would lend to such a distinction, and you don't have one that makes any sense.
>>37324537
Nope. Those plants contain peseudovitamin B12. B12 is not confirmed in plants. At present no animal or plant can produce B12 only bacteria.
>>37323708
>You can get everything you need from a vegan diet.
No you can't.
>nobody says this
It's said every other vegan troll thread
>nobody says this either
>literally nobody has ever even begun to think this
You're just lying now.
>>37324547
15% of the population suffers from B12 deficiency, with 100% of the vegans susceptible to B12 deficiency without supplements.
Why hide the truth? I'm a vegan and I know this damn well.
>>37324588
>algae
>plant
choose exactly one
>>37324548
You don't add bacteria directly to yeast. The B12 you consume is first created in a laboratory and then added to your diet as a supplement.
>>37324290
>The studies are inconclusive and at present no plant or animal is capable of producing B12
>>37322767
Fuck this shit ass agenda pushing infographic
>>37324641
>Algae are simple plants that can range from the microscopic (microalgae), to large seaweeds (macroalgae)
http://allaboutalgae.com/what-are-algae/
>>37324547
Didn't you just claim nobody says you can get b12 from dirt?
>>37324642
I still don't understand why you think growing bacteria in a petri dish is less natural than raising pigs in a pen
>>37324630
no hiding, the b12 argument is a weak one.
>>37324677
It's actually serious. We need B12 to aid with oxygen transport to cells and tissues. Without it, you die. Vegans are very vulnerable to B12 deficiency. Speaking from own experience.
>>37324666
>allaboutalgae.com
not a scientific source
thanks for confirming you have no idea what you're talking about
>>37324670
You all have to understand is that you cannot get all essentials you need from a vegan diet alone without supplements. I will make sure to repeat this until you understand. :^)
>>37324706
im not saying its unimportant, it is essential information. no reason to say screw veganism though.
>>37324717
I understand that you don't know what you mean by the words that you're using. it happens
>>37324716
If anything, you are just giving vegans more bad rep, but please keep the lols coming.
>Algae can be either single-celled or large, multicellular organisms. They can occur in freshwater or salt water (most seaweeds are algae) or on the surfaces of moist soil or rocks. The multicellular algae lack the true stems, leaves, or roots of the more complex, higher plants.
>http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/algae.aspx
>>37324729
It happens. It also happens that a vegan diet alone cannot provide humans with all the essentials we need. Only through supplementation.
If we're not supposed to eat meat why does it taste so good?
And what do ethical vegetarians have to say about growing meat in laboratories instead of killing animals? Though of course that opens an entirely different type of ethical discussion too.
>>37324725
Dude, take a good look at the people arguing in this thread. I'm being honest. It's up to other people to decide whether they want to become vegans, not to be cohered into converting to veganism with lies and threats.
>>37324771
coerced*
>>37324741
that does not classify them as plants. please stop posting you're embarassing yourself
unlike plants there are many algaes with B12-dependent enzymes. they get it from auxotrophy and some, like nori, maintain significant stores of it
>>37324763
we mainly make it taste good with plants(herbs/spices) and salt.
>>37324771
your right it is up to others unfortunately while we are still losing billions of lives and destroying the planet.
>>37324798
And butter. And fattening the cow up way past its ideal size, aka cruelty .
>>37323239
I hope this bait
Plants can not feel pain or suffer.
Just because you aren't a cow doesn't mean you can't empathize with their suffering.
I eat in between, no fast food, fish 3-4 times a week meat about one or two. I eat fuck ton of carbs
>>37322682
>a board that used to be about health
>used to
You answered your own question fag
>>37323155
>succeed
>HAH TAKE THAT EAT MEETING MURDERERS
>fail
>WHAT ABOUT THE DIET
>>37324796
Algae are plants that merely have been placed in kingdom protista / group eukarya, but they are still plants.
>unlike plants there are many algaes with B12-dependent enzymes.
>algaes
>can't use plural, doesn't know jackshit about algae.
No, there are not. And the few there are get B12 through symbiosis with bacteria responsible from B12, which, again proves that no animal or plant can produce B12, whether you believe algae are plants or animals.
>>37324904
You will never empathize with a cow because you are not a cow. If an ox fucks a cow, impregnates it, leaves it and then the cow suffers from post postpartum depression in the process, are you going to be there to empathize with the suffering of said cow? 10 to 10 you will not. You don't think of cows, at all, but you love to think about people who eat them, and of ways to feel morally superior about them.
Can anyone suggest a meal or smoothie type thing that I can eat to most efficiently get nutrients? I really dislike vegetables and I'd rather not eat it at all, but I am willing to have one meal in the day consisting of just vegetables for health purposes.
>>37325019
add tons of fruit to a smoothie with dark leafy greens, add ground flax seed for omega 3.
>>37324937
>but they are still plants
nice denial
>No, there are not.
looks like in addition to taxonomy you managed to fail biochemistry. how low is you are iq kid? :^)
>And the few there are get B12 through symbiosis with bacteria responsible from B12
so you admit they use and store b12? great job contradicting yourself. it's only making you look dumber
>>37325229
>how low is you are iq kid? :^)
>is you are iq
>you
>are
>iq
>>37325287
brainlet detected
I'm the anon who always drops the webm of a meat bbq platter in shitty vegan threads, and I'd like to say that this thread isn't as cancerous as the ones beforehand, so I won't post it here.
>>37324937
>>37325229
You two are both idiots
Green algae belong to the plant kingdom
Red algae belong to the protist kingdom
>>37324937
>group eukarya
is it that hard to remember the word domain?
>>37325380
>plantae*
>protista*
Stop triggering my autism. There's nothing incorrect about my assertions. Only until very recently those algea have been placed in protista and it's currently disputed. They are still referred to plants for all practical purposes.
>>37325406
No, it's just that group is perfectly fine. Also, less letters to type.
I don't know why people troll vegans irl or in threads like this.
It's like people have so much insecurity issues from being a loser all of their life that they mock anything that is growing in popularity.
>>37325793
The worse are vegans professing dietary superiority through lies. Trying to sell veganism like it's a herbalife product, a food pyramid scheme.
>>37325855
Whole foods plant based diet is the healthiest diet you can eat.
>>37322857
Hypocritical as fuck. Vegans don't go to fast food joint, try to find a similar study where the average population isn't obese. From nutritional knowledge omnivores that don't eat fast food are probably healthier than 90% of vegans. Source : look at your reflection in the mirror.
>>37327920
Meat is a risk factor for cancer, heart disease, and diabetes.
>Look at the mirror
Handsome as fuck ;)
>>37327852
No because it lacks certain nutrients. Read the thread.
>>37327920
>Vegans don't go to fast food joint
Some vegans actually go to fast food joints. There are several in my neighborhood. Having worked for one myself, I know what 90% of their clientele looks like: girls with eating disorders.
>>37322857
Because vegans always take a holier-than-thou attitude that their diet is both "healthier" and more "morally acceptable" when it is neither.
Veganism isn't just like paleo or whatever other flavor of the month "diet", it's literally a social movement that tries to assert that its adherents are morally superior to anyone who does not follow it.
>>37328632
do you know that feel you have when you see chinks eating dogs ?
that's the feel vegans feel when they see all corpse eaters.
i don't call it superiority,not eating corpses is just a classy act, and a non-degenerate plebian act.
i hope i gave you another perspective to look at it.
>>37328476
>No because it lacks certain nutrients.
necrovores (corpse eaters) are more deficient than vegans.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/omnivore-vs-vegan-nutrient-deficiencies-2/
>>37328759>>37328759
>necrovores
Omnivores and no. An omnivore diet provides all essentials, whereas a vegan diet doesn't - you need supplements. It's not feasible to become a vegan if you don't have supplements readily available.
>>37328811
omnivores kill their prey and eat it raw
you eat dead corpses. can't put you in the same category buddy.
a diet that contains corpse flesh is looking so bad in the modern medical literrature, animal flesh is highly linked to the top killers.
>An omnivore diet provides all essentials
food is a package deal, if you got all essentials in a cancerous piece of poo, would you consider it healthy ?
>meat increases all cause mortality risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud7RkxtO3-Y
>meat is a risk factor for type 2 diabetes, and vegans get the lowest diabetes rates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t4tBmbPko8
>meat causes cancer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aAFKlr7hs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
a whole foods plant based diet is superior on all levels. it is linked with longevity. and can prevent and reverse all the top ten killers in the west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ
>>37328924
>f you got all essentials in a cancerous piece of poo, would you consider it healthy ?
Vegans actually consider eating their own poo in order to get vitamin B12, not even making this up, so you tell me.
Also:
Vegetable oils contain 'toxic' chemical linked to cancer and brain degeneration, say scientists
http://www.dmu.ac.uk/about-dmu/news/2015/july/dmu-research-on-healthiest-cooking-oils-revealed-on-bbcs-trust-me,-im-a-doctor.aspx
Eating vegetables doesn’t stop cancer
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/04/06/jnci.djq072.abstract?version=meter+at+1&module=meter-Links&pgtype=Blogs&contentId=&mediaId=%2525%2525ADID%2525%2525&referrer=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click
Raw spinach interferes with calcium absorption
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400344/Avoid-Vegetables-with-Oxalic-Acid.html
Scientists Recommend Cooking With Lard, Butter
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/104393/20151109/scientists-recommend-cooking-with-lard-butter-frying-with-vegetable-oil-releases-toxic-cancer-causing-chemicals.htm
>>37328970
i hope you understand now that nutrient-dense =/=healthy
because food is a package deal.
meat gives you protein, but it is also cancerogenic and raises your IGF-1 and risk of diabetes and it raises your LDL the only necessary risk factor to clog your arteries.
>Vegetable oils
that's not whole food, that's junk food, and all vegan doctors are avoiding it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_o4YBQPKtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGGQxJLuVjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbALgjmZUek
>Eating vegetables doesn’t stop cancer
>linking ancient studies, good morning grandpa
veggies have anti-cancer effects
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4391535/
>Raw spinach interferes with calcium absorption
that would be a great counter attack aginst let's see, if i told you cow assholes reduces calcium absorption.
>Scientists Recommend Cooking With Lard, Butter
anything besides steaming reduces the nutrition value of any food.
also, butter raises your LDL. the only necessary risk factor for atherosclerosis.
>>37329106
Lectins found in legumes interfere with nutrient absorption from the intestine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3153292/
>>37325793
It's because so many vegans are beyond obnoxious with their snooty attitudes. When you're doing something that's so different from what's considered the norm, you need to be calm, informative and set a good example to make people interested instead of going into defensive mode when someone challenges you and is aggressive. Sometimes you're going to come across people who just want to fight and aren't going to take anything you say to heart and then it's best to realize nothing you say is going to work here and it's time for you to move on.
I wouldn't have even tried this if it wasn't for the documentary Forks Over Knives either, which isn't shoving crap in your face about how terrible people are and shocking you with visuals of animals being abused and instead shows you information that makes you think. It made me want to experiement for myself and see how I feel before just pushing the very idea of this out.
Anyway, even though I've only been on a not so vegan diet (because the vitamin I take has gelatin in it) for five days, I've noticed my acne has stopped, I feel like I have a ton of energy and my head doesn't feel clouded.
>>37329126
that's not enough to counter meat being the risk factor for top ten killers. and wholefoods plant based diet reversing them.
anon, please watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ
>>37329186
Eating Soy May Turn on Genes Linked to Cancer Growth
http://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/soy-may-turn-on-genes-linked-to-cancer
>>37329178
would you be nice with a dog eater ?
no you will probably look down to him like a degenerate disgusting pleb
that's how vegans see corpse eaters. i don't know why everyone is shocked.
>>37329209
Dietary lectins linked to coeliac disease, rheumatoid arthritis
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1115436/
>>37328740
Normal people don't feel anything about Chinese eating dogs. It's just like squid, weird and doesn't suit our American pallete but whatever floats their boat. Only a deluded vegan fag thinks otherwise. We're able to mind our own business. Why can't you?
>>37329193
>http://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/soy-may-turn-on-genes-linked-to-cancer
"The study didn’t last long enough to know whether these genetic changes would cause cancer to grow.
The study also didn’t look at:
whether soy does or doesn’t reduce the risk of breast cancer
whether eating soy would have any effect on women who don’t have breast cancer or who have non-cancerous breast lesions"
soy and legumes lowers mortality risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFxoUKOJYU
watch this video please anon :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ
>>37329186
You know what is a top ten killer? More so than meat? Actually the leading cause of preventable death? Tobacco, and it's a plant. :^)
>>37329239
>Normal people don't feel anything about Chinese eating dogs
the social media chimpout aginast the dog eating festival calls bullshit.
>>37329209
>would you be nice with a dog eater ?
I'd be fine with it. The only problem I have is how those animals are treated before death and how Chinese apparently think meat tastes better if the animal is purposely tortured and their death is then greatly prolonged.
If I was in a position where I could have a farm, I'd care for my own animals and still eat them.
>>37329276
Wrong, heart disease is the top killer and it is caused mostly by animal fats and cholesterol.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929.php
>tobaco is a plant so veganism is no longer good.
pic related
>>37329319
FREAK
>>37329298
Of course social media vegan drones will chimpout. I said normal people, not triggered tumblrinas.
>>37329322
Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death.
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/
>>tobaco is a plant so veganism is no longer good.
Cigarettes are vegan-friendly and vegans can be smokers too.
>>37329369
that's false, vegans were calling the corpse eaters on their hypocrisy.
>>37329413
you are either :
a retard
a child
a troll
go play elsewhere kiddo/retard/troll let the grownups/nonretards/nontrolls do the talk.
>>37329271
Food toxins found in legumes can potentially cause Alzheimer's
https://books.google.de/books?id=KWQmOhKK-5oC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>37329456
Marijuana is also vegan, and also linked to lung cancer
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html
>>37329508
try harder
Preventing Alzheimer’s Disease With Plants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQa8McNAhKs
Cholesterol and Alzheimer’s disease
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtpvsT5vGCg
Preventing Alzheimer’s Disease with Diet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gel4vlG4Jbk
>>37329528
>being this desperate and pathetic
>>37329543
Are you trigerred because you are a smoker? Are vegan smokers scum?
>>37329562
lol
no i'm not a smoker for the same reason i don't eat meat, both are carcinogens.
I'm eating a huge bowl of oatmeal mixed with instant coffee and vegan choco protein powder
>>37329597
>coffee
you mean drugs.
>>37329530
Don't go vegetarian or vegan for health benefits
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2013/06/dont-go-vegetarian-or-vegan-for-health-benefits.html
Why You Should Think Twice About Vegetarian and Vegan Diets
http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should-think-twice-about-vegetarian-and-vegan-diets/
>>37329736
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you didn't actually read either of those
>>37329776
You can be sure that I haven't read any of the articles or watched any of the videos you are begging me to see >>37329186 . I'm just copying&pasting like you are doing because no diet is superior to another - with the omnivore diet being the most complete one, as it provides all essential nutrients we need without supplements. Anything you post can be countered with another study that links X legume to cancer, or a vegan diet to autoimmune diseases.
Steve Jobs was a vegan, and died of cancer at 56.
Anything can cause cancer. Even an open wound in your mouth.
But keep the non-sense coming.
>Conflating binging on McNuggets with a healthy diet that includes meat.
Probably why I never see any vegans in my STEM lectures as well as the gym.
>>37329875
I'm not the guy who is copying and pasting things btw
stopped reading after that btw
>>37329889
Vegans are mostly girls trying to mask their eating disorders or people with orthorexia.
>>37329891
>I'm not the guy who is copying and pasting things btw
Then stop trying to make this about you.
>>37329736
vegan diet =/= whole foods plant based diet
coke and chips are vegan but not healthy. also all that fake meat shit is not good for you.
whole foods plant based diet is proven to reverse even top ten killer diseases :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ
stay in denial.
>>37329875
>You can be sure that I haven't read any of the articles or watched any of the videos you are begging me to see
stay ignorant then faggot. you're a degenerate corpse addict who don't want his bubble busted and hear bad things about his awful eating habits.
>>37329949
huh? I didn't mention myself at all until you addressed a thing I didn't do
>>37329875
>Steve Jobs was a vegan, and died of cancer at 56.
you mean the vegan diet helped him live that long with that cancer, he always worked around dangerous carcinogenic metals and chemicals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81xnvgOlHaY
>>37322931
It's because stereotypes are based out of the truth many times and many people on the Internet are from the US which is a country that prides itself on agriculture. Not only that but the US is very hesitant to government regulations because the whole point of the country was to defy an outside government what people could do, eat, and say. That's the way that the US should stay because with out inherent total freedom to do what you will, you lose the ability to hear extremist view. Without extremist views we have no way of knowing whether what we are doing is right or wrong and the. The government has the upper hand able to manipulate the people at will. Critique and retaliation is good for Americans to determine what is right and wrong. Examples? NAZI Germany was started as a regular socialist movement, but because of the lack of input from citizens and oppression of radical views the government eventually became the radical.
Meat eaters, how does it feel to know you're going to fucking die of a heart attack in the next 5 years? LOL
>>37322857
This. Vegans are some of the nicest people; I don't get what carnists have against us as people.
i'm actually fucking kekking at all of you degenerate carnist fucking scumbags trying to defend giving your self FUCKING CANCER AND FUCKING HEART PROBLEMS
I'll be fucking laughing when you murderous scumbags die a painful death
>>37330018
>study found that eating less food lead to weight loss
woah :0
