>do some research into losing weight and lifting
>/fit/ says keto is a meme but reddit says it works
>trust /fit/ and do simple calories in calories out 600 cal deficit for 5 weeks
>go from 210lbs to 200lbs
>decide to do keto for the next 5 weeks same 600 cal deficit
>go from 200 to 185
YOU RETARDS TOLD ME KETO WAS A MEME WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME
muscle glycogen storage
you've lost more of that then fat
Learn2bodycomp
>>37215352
Here, everything is a meme
keto made you go stricter on the diet
>>37215352
>listening to /fit/
you realize the majority here have been lifting for a year or less, right? we didn't have those polls for nothing, you know
>>37215352
There are some really smart people here and you can have a great conversation occasionally but for the most part it's a bunch of teenagers who just started lifting parroting other shit they have read online with no real clue. If you know what you are doing you can ignore all the bs but if you are a beginner it can be confusing as hell.
Apparently everything is a meme around here. I got into an argument with a guy saying fruit and sweet potatoes were a meme because it had sugar in it.
If keto helps you lose weight go for it.
>>37215374
what polls?
If you even slightly care about your health keto ia a big no.
>>37215352
>you guys told me forcing my body into an unnatural state was a meme
>this unnatural state starving for carbs is working
What did you expect exactly? For it to not work? It just seems potentially damaging for your body and harder work when you're already doing a cut.
If you're losing weight than there's no need to switch. If you want to lose faster and do the hardest cut imaginable (besides retarded 1200 cals a day and shit) then you do keto.
>>37215422
we had some polls on experience, max bench, squat and dl. basically the majority of /fit/ has been lifting for a year or less, can squat/bench less than 2plate, dl less than 3plate. basically don't take advice from anyone here if you don't have much lifting experience. you won't be able to sort out the memes from the good advice
>>37215446
What is wrong with 1200 cal a day? I am curious. I am a 5'6 gril weighing 161 pounds, I'mI'm trying to lose weight and I've been doing 1200 cal a day with my macros at 50% protein. Ive lost 8 lbs so far (it has been almost 3 weeks)
>>37215477
I'm a 255 pound male, and I'm eating 1200 a day. What's wrong with it? Aside from the fact I'm fucking tired as shit lol
>>37215502
I'm not tired as shit... maybe because I'm a smaller person? Strange
Here's the rule of thumb, never listen to /fit/.
What I mean by this is, even if /fit/ tells you to do one thing and then tells you to do the opposite never formulate your decisions based on /fit/ alone.
So out and find your own information.
>>37215446
Oh, fuck off shitter. I've cut twice on 1300-1400kcal. First time I lost 16kg in 3 months, the second time 20kg in 3.5 months. I have a 1400 total currently. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that if you get enough protein and fat in.
>>37215502
What's wrong is that it eats your muscles
Slow decline in bodyweight while putting load on muscles regularly is how you get lean, because the body will focus on fat.
If you eat nothing the body will just go ham on everything, and you can't train enough to compensate for it.
>>37215477
I am also a grill (145,5 pounds) and even eating less then 1200 cal and desu i am feeling so much more awake and can concentrate a lot better than like i did half a year ago where i ate like 2200 cal a day. But maybe it's just the change in my overall life style. Back then i was just eating Pizza, Fries, Chips and stuff like this while today my diet consits of like 90% veggies/fruits/stuff
>>37215580
You like stuff? I like stuff
London?
>>37215585
Yeah eating stuff i the right way to gain a perfect body... You should try it sometime!
>>37215585
No, but I have relatives there!
>>37215352
>He fell for the "he fell for the meme" meme
>>37215580
>under 1200 cal
>veggies/fruits/stuff
Don't compare yourself to me. I'm trying to do 1200 the healthiest way possible with clean foods and lots of protein. You're a sugar hound if your diet is a majority FRUITS.
>>37215477
This is what's wrong with it
>>37215502
People are eating at over a 1000 cal def on their first cut and thinking they will stick with it.
What I meant by "1200" cals is retarded amounts lower that you know you will fail because you have no willpower to continue. It's just that 1200 is the most common number people throw around (as evidenced by people getting mad that I dare say that). Hell that guy who was eating 4 boxes of oats a day was on "1200" cals. It's the magic number of huge calorie cuts that people can't maintain. I could have just as easily said 300 or 600 like I saw someone suggesting today, but 1200 is the magic number that seems to stand for any huge cut.
To reiterate. There's nothing wrong with 1200 if you can maintain it, or it's what you should be using. It's just that most of these "get fit quick" schemes fall around that number even if there's zero way they can manage that.
Like this 255 pound guy here. It won't be long until he falls completely off the wagon
>>37215617
Okay, I'm >>37215534 and the way you said now makes sense. Newbies should probably stick to 500 kcal deficits on their first cut unless they have strong willpower.
>>37215372
This prob m8
>>37215614
Wow calm down, honey!
I am just not eating any meat that doesn't mean I don't try to maintain a balanced diet. And I am eating just around 1200 cal because I don't really have time for more then 3 meals a day and snacks don't really do it for me because i am bearly hungry between my meals. I tried to get more cal into my diet but it somehow didn't felt right and i was again getting tired much faster. But i guess you can also just survive on 1200 cal of chicken or eggs. No need for you to get so upset.
>>37215617
Well I'm not tired and I don't find it hard to stick to, then again I eat a lot of protein (turkey, chicken, etc) so I'm sure that is why I stay full. I'm also not trying to get fit quick, I am changing my lifestyle and eating cleaner.
>>37215676
Didn't mean to come off confrontational, you just shouldn't have fruits be such a huge part of your daily intake (fuckton of sugar, it'll make you fatter if anything) you really should be eating meat.
>>37215648
I'm the 255 guy, i just don't believe when I calculate my TDE I'm burning 4000 a day. It makes no sense why I'd cut eating 3500 a day. I'd rather think I'm 2000 a day eating at a 500-800 calorie deficient. Seems more reasonable.
>>37215648
Yeah. I don't get how people decide that suddenly they can just eat thousands of less cals a day and think they can maintain that for any certain period of time.
They had to work up to eating like a pig, and they have to work up to eating less too. Even maintenance for some might be a hassle, but no, it's straight to "1200".
We're not all going to make it if people want to jump the gun like that.
>>37215366
>muscle glycogen storage
Can be created Ketogenically with protein
>>37215443
Cool story.
>>37215477
Grill here too but I'm like a true womanlette ya 5'1 on a good day. Started out at 163 now down to 136. I took a year fucking around, not being consistent and stepped up my game since March (143lbs). Now I'm planning to be in the lower 130's by June. JUST don't eat as much. I'm also severely depressed so I have to force myself to eat. I drink like 4/5 beers a night as well. So it is possible just basically don't eat for fun only nutrition.
>>37215703
I don't eat meat since I was sixteen years old because of ethical reasons. I was saying to myself i will start to eat meat again once i learn how to hunt for myself. And Cucumbers, Bell Peppers and Tomatoes are also fruits if you put it this way and i am sure they don't really contain that much sugar.
>>37215610
Underated
>>37215703
not her, but you're fucking retarded if you think the sugar in fruit is as bad as refined sugar.
>>37215473
Then why do people listen to trappy? S/he is a twig
>>37215721
>protein
goodbye to your gains m8
>>37215740
Damn youre so heavy at you're height
>>37215352
5-10 of those pounds are water/glycogen weight that will immediately come back on once you stop doing keto.
>>37215703
>FRUIT HAS SUGAR!
>DONT EAT FRUIT!
please dont be this stupid
>>37215366
after those things are depleted, it goes straight for your fat...and your muscles. Mostly fat though.
>>37215787
only fucking retards and faggots listen to trappy
>>37215872
His/her threads are always so fucking packed.
>>37215845
no, it the ketones go straight through the blood brain barrier to keep the brain alive over muscles.
>>37215822
I didn't say don't eat fruit, I said don't have a diet that is mainly fruit. Don't exaggerate my statement to make your argument seem more viable.
>>37215897
there are a lot of retards and faggots here which brings us back to
>listening to /fit/
>>37215916
Listen cunt. Youre the retard who thinks fruit is bad.
>>37215910
That is what I am saying...it can also eat at the muscles for ketones for the brain.
But that is basically how starvation works
first the glycogen reserves, if those are depleted, it goes for the fat reserves, if there arent many of those, it also eats away at the muscle.
Out of all weight loss things, this method is the fastest one, you could literally start losing weight today if you dont eat.
But doing this is not recommended for starting fatties, as their fat reserves are not malleable, the longer fat stays on the body, the less of it will be used for body anti starvation purposes. A fatty starving, may actually die to malnutrition if he tries to do keto.
caloric deficit, above 50% is safer.
>>37215801
Yeah. I got down to about 110 when I was training hard for 10k's about 6 years ago. Weight crept up and I got injured and had to quit running. I am very heavy for my size. I'd post progress but I feel like it's useless since still heavy af.
>>37216670
Do it.
>>37216713
Alright what the hell do I care. Here's 163
>>37216803
Wasn't taking stuff seriously but still "trying".
>>37216803
>>37216820
That's progress
>>37216820
Sometime around the end of Feb. Like 143 I wanna say.
>>37216844
Now I'm to 136 but I don't have any pictures because I'm depressed and stuff. Like working out is the only thing I have at this point and I have to mke myself eat because I can't finish workouts without food I noticed. Like I said I just basically eat for nutrition now it sucks
>>37216844
>>37216820
>>37216803
Yo, what the fuck? You're gonna make it. And non-of that LONDON shit. Keep it up.
>>37216874
Thank you
>>37216864
LEARN TO FUCKING COOK FUCKING HELL FUCK FUCK FUCK WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS TO THEMSELVES
It's entirely possible to eat flavorful shit and not eat like a fucking rabbit or dog.
Take some time to learn some healthy cooking variations.
https://www.amazon.com/Shredded-Chef-Building-Cookbook-Bodybuilding-ebook/dp/B007FW0PI8
This shit works pretty good.
>>37216803
>>37216820
>>37216844
I'm confused about why you are screenshotting photos you already have
>>37216864
nutrition is still allowed to be tasty, expand your skills. learning something new might help with the depression, anyway.
>>37216803
>>37216820
>>37216844
good progress, keep it up
>>37216904
Some are on JEFIT some are in gallery and I can't find the JEFIT ones in my gallery and I didn't care to search harder. Sorry.
>>37216920
Yeah I should have a shoet work day and I've already scheduled an appointment with a Muay Thay/MMA place. My brother is big into fighting and says that it combines learning with physical activity so it feels like your doing something. I'm gonna suck but like I said, checking out some places for free since have a short work day.
>>37216904
take away geolocation on base photo
grills dont want neckbeards hunting them down
>>37216670
It's those beers man, drinking is killer. My excessive drinking makes for a very slow cut.
>>37215721
>Can be created Ketogenically with protein
You barely produce enough to keep your brain working in ketosis. If you produced enough glucose to refill your glycogen stores, you wouldn't be in ketosis.
>>37216976
Imagine being that thirsty
>>37216964
sounds good, thai boxing builds great bodies and depending on your trainer there can be an interesting spiritual/inner learning side to it as well.
best of luck, great progress so far.
>>37215951
> "the longer fat stays on the body, the less of it will be used for body anti starvation purposes."
Please show me a scientific source that isn't a blog or google.
Report frogposters.
>>37215352
say bye to your gains.
>>37215352
KETOSIS = TOE KISS
You do know keto is just a codeword for foot fetishists right? You're not supposed to actually give up carbs - thought that would have been obvious desu.
>>37216895
I cook very well. It's just that I have to make myself eat. And I'm so sad that no amount of seasonings and garlic make food taste good so whatever. This shit sucks.
>>37215352
you fucking dense retard, its a god damn 5 lbs difference, you could get that from drinking 2 glasses less than you should a day.
>>37216844
I'm always curious, why girls have so many notifications on their phones? I see this on almost all my friends' phones. I also know for a fact it's not all thirsty dudes messaging them since a lot of them are app notifications.
Do women just not know how to turn them off? Do they feel important with them on? Are girls really just so busy they can't find time to clear them?
I don't get it tbqhfamaliairitise
>>37217126
Haha I know how to do clear them. It drives my work buddies crazy when they see my phone. Idk I'm just leave them there they don't bother me.
Why is sugar so bad? It's just about 20 cals a cube...
>>37215951
> For anti-starvation purposes
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHH
That's not the reason you fucking idiot. Metabolizing fat is a process that you can condition yourself to be more efficient at, just like every other process your body does. If they've spent their entire life in a calorie surplus, their body is going to be bad at metabolizing body fat.
Also, starvation ketosis is a whole different world from nutritional ketotsis. You're a fucking retard.
>>37217018
right?
>>37217151
sweets are for children
>>37216844
I'd say you're more like AG at the moment, on your way to AU though.
>>37217126
Apparently they don't even notice them.
>>37217168
For real though, when I see my gf putting stevia in her tea instead of one or two sugars I don't get it.
It's not like 40 calories more or less will drastically change your results...
>>37217126
>mad at notifications
>>37215352
do research on your own and from multiple sources. build an excel table to keep track of your shit, do different diets to compare the benefits and cons of one another.
above all don't listen to the retards to this site which include me.
>>37217227
Are you kidding me
>>37217126
Women are oblivious to things. Just spend time watching them be dense. Its starts out as lulz and becomes real sad, real fast.
>>37217209
40 calories a day
280 a week
14560 a year
if its truly worth that for sugar in your tea than more power too you. 0 calorie sweetners are just a cheat way that doesn't break you from the addiction to sweetness
>>37217227
I only care if they're on the top bar, because thats where I go to see my actually important notifications
iPhones don't use the top bar tho right
keto is fine if you are a landwhale like >>37216803
if you are not a landwhale you are just losing water.
>>37217294
keto sheds fat like no other diet around. but its really hard to keep strength and muscle with keto but its def possible.
>>37217175
I know that feel
>>37217270
It's true. But they probably think the same about us. They probably watch us and think jesus christ men are so oblivious... Especially when it comes to social situations or understanding feelings/hints/mindreading.
They have different priorities. So naturally we are gonna think the things we prioritize and pay attention to are more important. And the stuff they do isn't worth thinking about and doesn't count.
We think it's stupid how they always be banging their arms off doors or tripping over things that aren't there. But they think we're stupid for not knowing that so-n-so is having a hard time because blah-d-blah and how to make them feel better about it.
CMOONNN! Whatever it takes to be objective bro 5 scoops of nootropics cmon
>>37217027
Thanks. My brother looks leaner than he ever has and got down to his middle school weight when he was training for a smoker fight and is still going strong. Really motivated me. As far as keto goes I've been listening to a nutrition book and you need complex carbohydrates for your brain to function. I don't know how you ketofags manage without carbs. Do you get used to it?
>>37216864
You can eat good food if you learn how to use some spices. Eat some Indian or Asian food. That shit is full of flavour usually and anything with cooked onions is awesome. There's millions of recipes online.
>>37215610
kek
>>37217479
I cook well I'm just depressed. Food doesn't taste good anymore. Don't know what it is. But I can't finish workouts without food so I have to make myself eat.
>>37217406
>Gossiping
>Spacial awareness
>The same
I'm not completely disagreeing with you, I get what you're saying, but only women and fatties seem to have tunnel vision all of the time. I could find all that non sense about about so and so, but I also don't care.
The difference is I'm aware that I don't care and I'm aware it exists.
>>37217319
>keto sheds fat like no other diet around.
no, it sheds fat at the same rate as other diets with the same amount of calories. this has been studied.
>>37215787
Everyone wants to bang that sweet trap ass so they feed him attention.
>>37217539
Yeah I guess that was my point. We're aware of all that but we just don't see it as important. It's pretty irrelevant and being good at that stuff doesn't "count" as useful skills.
The things we see as vitally important are irrelevant to them though. They couldn't care less if they continue to trip up and bash their limbs off the same things every single day. To them being able to not drop stuff and remember where they put things doesn't count as important. Because why would any of that matter if you aren't completely up to date and relevant within 5 different social circles?
I agree that their shit doesn't ACTUALLY matter. But it's useful to keep in mind that they look down upon us with the same attitude we do them.
>gf asks me to look at something she's looking at on the laptop
>tfw she has chrome windows each with 6+tabs
>ask why
>just forgot to close them when I was done
>fuuuuuu
>>37217653
I have that exact interaction on a daily basis.
To be fair, like you were saying, I just assume its my autism. I do spend a lot of time of 4chan after all.
>>37215352
Because the keto diet isn't superior PSMF
L2hardcut
>>37215446
It's not an unnatural state at all, it's a survival mechanism hard wired into our bodies lmao
keto works well. pic related is the "biggest loser" contest at my job. scientific jibber jabber aside, eliminating carbs means eliminating 99% of junk food. you don't want to eat a bag of chips and come out of ketosis.
> mfw all these posters making authoritative scientific statements with no sources
>>37215352
most of that is water loss.go back on crabs and see what happens
>>37215718
>recommending everyone take it really slow because some people who try it fail
You're effectively saying people should all lose weight at the lowest common denominator rate. Really shit advice. Assuming everyone has no willpower, sheesh.
>>37215352
>not doing IF
>doing MEME KETO BULLSHIT
Shit nigga you aint gonna build muscle without some proper carbs
>>37215473
everyone here is weak af. On a pullup thread, most people couldn't even do 8. I just come here for the keks.
>>37217962
Why is Robbi such a fucking loser?
>>37219570
>tfw can squat 4pl8 but can't do 1 push-up
th-thanks SL
>>37215352
Keto works to a degree and there are some questionable affects but the moderate addition of good fats in your diet in place of some carbs would probably do most people well. Especially considering what the average american diet looks like.
>>37217962
you're losing so much weight. you're gonna bounce back because you also losing so much lean mass which helps metabolism on the long run.
gonna bounce back so hard
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/biggest-loser-study-finds-modest-diet-exercise-can-sustain-weight-loss
>>37219788
pull up, I mean
>>37216844
Nice progress you fat bitch.
>>37215352
Summation:
>Carbs are converted to glycogen
>Glycogen is stored in the muscles
>1g of Glycogen bonds with 3g of Water
>Average person has 1200-1500g Glycogen and 3600-4500g water bonded to it
>No carbs, no Glycogen, loss of tons of water (2.5 lb Glycogen, 7.5 water minimum)
You lost shit tons of water and will regain 10 lbs (see above) once you drop off of keto. You will look fuller/better though due to your muscles containing glycogen.
>>37215571
>you can't train enough to compensate for it.
You can cause I did. But it took about three years I'd say :/
>>37220312
I got a 8-pound woosh just cutting down to 40g-60g carbs. Personally I find this way more manageable than going all the way into ketosis, even if I'm not losing weight as quickly. So you can do <20g for keto, then maintain at <60g (or whatever number works for you based on size and gender).
>>37215352
Keto still obeys the Law of Calories In Calories Out. It's just that most people on that kind of diet get full and stop eating on their own, without counting calories - and still end up at a caloric deficit, thus losing weight.
Keto works because it controls your cravings, not because ketosis is some magic spell.
>>37220377
usually the best to stay at this range for anaerobic trained pop
>>37215352
rip your muscles with keto..
>>37216864
I'm with you on the depression part. Working out has helped but honestly its the only thing in my life I truly care about I just try to fill my time with work otherwise.
You're doing great btw. You're definitely gonna make it.
I'm going in the opposite direction (skelly trying to get fit). When I'm depressed I hate eating and cooking so I have to force myself to eat food a lot of the time.
Guess it's better than just being depressed on my couch though.
Keep going.
>>37215352
I did keto for a bit, and you lose a lot of water weight on it, that's probably the difference.
The one thing I noticed about keto is that it really curbed my appetite. I was eating a lot less and feeling completely satisfied with it. It won't make you actually lose more weight, though, aside from the initial water weight loss.
>>37215352
that was water weight you dumb shit.
people on keto look like turds because their muscles(assuming they even had it to begin with) are flat and deflated.
Nobody can ever look good on keto outside of shills that take steroids and probably only post pics after a carb up (the 14% time they actually don't get laughed at).
>>37215808
this you retard op
you drop lots of water weight when your drastically reduce carbs
