Best fitness "advice" you've ever gotten?
SS + Accessories and a slow bulk.
Bench press alone is not enough for chest development.
>>37125045
He's not wrong in the pic. Thicker bar makes a harder deadlift.
>>37125045
lift weights
>>37125226
Thicker bar makes grip more difficult. Not having to worry about balance when deadlifting in a smith negates any extra difficulty a poor grip would create.
>>37125226
All else equal, sure, but not when the thicker bar is on greased rails.
Don't eat more than 30g of protein at a time or it will go to waste. I never got an answer regarding what "at a time" meant.
>>37125280
>>37125288
Smith literally doesn't make a difference. It's just there for safety.
>>37125310
Posts like this reinforce why I have no idea why I keep coming back to this board.
>>37125310
found the manlet
>>37125045
Stick with your plan whatever it is.
>>37125309
I'd sat every 2-3 hours?
>>37125280
>worry about balance
... jesus ...
>>37125045
Why the fuck are you going out of your way to argue with people who don't know what they're doing? This is the only possible result
>>37125328
Why don't you try telling me why you think I'm wrong instead of shitposting?
>>37125329
I'm 187cm.
>>37125045
Don't listen to anyone on /fit/.
>>37125376
Being limited to the bar path of the smith machine completely changes the exercise. Unfortunately, there are no studies on EMG or muscle activation to shoot you down with, possibly because nobody in their right minds would deadlift with a smith machine
>>37125429
>no studies
So you admit that there is no scientific basis that says the smith is any less useful than free weights. Just walk away.
>>37125045
Knees should never go over toes during squats, or else you will "destroy" your knees
You get no extra gains by squatting to parallel or lower (as opposed to ~30° femurs)
High rep deadlifts/power cleans/power snatches for time are like totally so badass and manly and the best excercises ever
If you don't take BCAAs together with your whey, you will literally shit all the protein out, BCAAs help you utilise the protein
If you eat 2 hours before bed it will all turn to fat
Eating less calories than your body can utilize will result in weight loss.
Lifting heavy things will make you stronger.
>>37125453
Burden of proof is on you, you were the one that made the claim originally
>>37125453
Think of all the stabilising muscles you aren't using when the smith machine is keeping the bar in one dimensional plane.
>a lot of people are going to try and sell you some shit that you don't need or that doesn't work
>It's your job to be educated enough to know if it's crap
>>37125453
There is no scientific basis since there is no study done on this very obscure thing. Anyone who lifts can tell you that they can lift heavier on a smith machine than with free weights, so yes, you're wrong. If you'd ever lifted anything other than your fat ass off your couch you could find out for yourself.
>>37125472
You proved it for me. You said there were no studies that showed a difference.
>>37125473
>stabilizing muscles
These get worked in daily life if you participate in athletics and aren't a sedentary NEET like most of this board.
>>37125365
You think free weights and machines are on the same level?
>>37125473
It's not even that. The path of the smith machine dictates a specific pull that does not even closely resemble the pull that a conventional deadlift does. This different body position means a completely different activation of all musculature. It's just like a sumo versus a conventional: different pull position, same musculature but different activation. For that guy to say that there is no difference between a conventional and a smith machine is just retarded
>>37125045
Lift + Eat.
>>37125045
Personal trainer saw me power cleaning yesterday and advised me to use more arm pull . . .
>>37125496
>random anecdotal evidence that you assume to be widespread proves that I'm wrong
Wew lad.
>>37125509
Did not say that. There are no studies where people have used the smith machine for deadlifts. Huge difference
>>37125376
implying 187cm isnt manlet
when will they learn bros
>>37125534
Come on son, now you're just shitposting.
>>37125509
Either complete retard or baiting.
Come on sempai, find something better to do with your time.
>>37125453
Go do your compounds with a free barbells. Then go do those same lifts on a smith machine. Which ones do you think will be higher?
>>37125566
>resorts to calling me names because he can't formulate a coherent response
About what I expected.
>>37125581
I've used both and there is no difference because my form is correct. If you really need the track of the smith machine to keep you in line for correct form then you're lifting too heavy and should deload to work on form.
>>37125045
i don't understand you cunts arguing about shit like this...just train, this is the whole i lift more than you ego bullshit grow up niggas
>>37125310
kill yourself for being this stupid.
seriously
>>37125309
wow this is bullshit.
>>37125641
Impressive response, bitchtits.
>>37125616
There is a huge difference in the force applied to lifting smith machine vs free barbell. Regardless of how good your form is. Anyone who's lifted for a few years + can tell you this. The longer you defend the smith machine as equal to free weights the dumber you look senpai.
>>37125656
Post stats and body if you're so confident senpai.
>>37125706
You're entitled to your opinion, but calling me dumb doesn't change your lack of evidence.
>>37125708
You first, cuck. You're clearly good enough to call people out.
>>37125309
Complete bullshit
>>37125726
No, you go first you cuck.
>>37125656
fuck off you dumb dyel cum guzzling smith machine using faggot
>>37125726
You're going to convince some retard on here that smith machine is the same as freeweight. /fit/ is already filled with gullible idiots doing stupid shit senpai.
listen to your body
carb backloading
skipping breakfast
ketogenic diet
> come back from gym
> some random anon is discussing if smith machine diddies and sqwats are equal to free weight
never change fit
>>37125656
>>37125726
>>37125756
>>37125761
#REKT #SHOTS FIRED
Now you post your smith machine sculpted body faggot
>>37125749
>>37125756
>>37125761
Pic is me a few days ago. Division 1 track athlete.
>>37125833
Fuck off fag you post yours first DYEL cuck whiteboy.
>>37125871
Hnnnggg post rear glute spread no homo
>>37125871
You look worse/weaker than both of them.
How are you division 1 anything if you can't even grasp the concept of the difference between a free bar path and a smith machine?
>>37125910
Division one doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot unfortunately. Just because a school has division one athletes doesn't mean they're strong/actually good athletes.
>>37125910
Because this is an anonymous Tibetan sheep herding symposium and he's lying.
>>37125910
I can guarantee that I'm weaker than them. We train for different things.
>>37125885
>cuck
>whiteboy
Where do you think you are? Back to >>>/pol/
>>37125928
>get BTFO
>h-he must be lying! he can't possibly look better than me!
Top lol.
>>37125453
a lack of proof does not prove the inverse true. check your logic, cuck
>>37125940
Than why are you so fiercely debating stength training methods for a smith machine? Makes no sense m8
>>37125973
I'm not debating strength training, just training effectiveness. I never meant to say a thing about strength training.
>>37125871
pls post more
>>37125961
That was me though and I'm guessing the general consensus is that I do look better than him.
Don't get me wrong /fit/ is all about people bullshitting/baiting but at least try to keep an advice thread clear of something that's clearly terrible advice.
>>37125910
kid has been fooled into thinking that using the smith machine and barbells are the same thing by university trainer shills. my uni tried to do the same thing. they do this by regulation to reduce injuries, not because they're equivalent in performance.
>>37125988
>effectiveness
>strength
where is the difference here? if you're training for "effectiveness" and not strength (or aesthetics), wtf are you training for?
>>37126008
>dropping the trip to shitpost
own up to the funposting fampai
>>37126032
>where is the difference here? if you're training for "effectiveness" and not strength (or aesthetics), wtf are you training for?
ffs not even that dude but you've clearly never played a finesse sport in your life
>>37126052
>i play a fitness sport! Smith machine is clearly more effective.
How?
>>37126052
if you're playing a sport you should be doing the lift that properly trains balance as well as strength, or your "effectiveness" as you put it. end of story. have fun never placing 1st in your imaginary sport that you don't compete in
>>37126158
how the fuck would I know I'm not playing the sport faggot.
>>37126174
kys faggot you're replying to the wrong person
>>37126179
>>37126202
>samefagging to whiteknight yourself
nobody else on this forum is dumb enough to agree with you, nice try tho
>>37126052
Not him but i did many fitness sports (Boxing bjj wrestling and taekwondo)
Free weights transfer way better into athleticism than machines. Have fun being the one weirdo deadlifting in the smith machine because its more "effective" lmao
>>37126226
how does making one post defending someone make me a samefag whiteknight?
>>37125496
Well actually I squat 15kg less on Smith than I do with free weights.
>>37126032
I honestly just do what my coaches tell me. I get all of my knowledge from them.
Well since the b8 has died down abit,
Anyway, ACSM certified pt here.
There is literally no difference between training effectiveness between smith machine and free weight.
That being said, we learnt that the reason why you don't do power lifts on a smith machine is that the path of the bar makes it so that injuries are more likely to occur than on a free bar.
Squat, your footing has to be awkwardly placed in front of you so that you can rest on your heels. If not, more pressure is placed on the toes and the ball.
OHP, you hyper extend your posterior rotator cuffs and posterior rotator cuffs and your spine muscles along the neck.
Deadlift, hyper extension of the lower back muscles and tendency to roll the shoulders.
benchpress, rotator cuffs again.
There's nothing wrong with effectiveness, it's just that the form required contorts the muscles
>>37126404
Should clarify.
Because your footing on a squat in the smith machine is awkward, dropping the bar is likely.
Except on the smith machine you cannot drop it backwards, which may cause the loaded bar to fall on your lower back.
>>37125045
Getting the type of body you want is 70% diet
>>37126404
Fuck you.
>>37126443
You miss the part where smith machine fags may kill themselves doing powerlifts in it?
>>37126494
Stop being a faggot. There's a huge difference.
>>37126494
>>37126521
What's the difference?
>>37126404
I see what youre trying to say but technically being able to properly and safely engage the muscles is considered more efficient since that will yield more effective and long lasting (because you're not injuring yourself) results.
So yes, there is something wrong with smith machine effectiveness.
>>37125941
Don't send niggers to /pol/
>>37126404
>acsm certified personal trainer
>meaning anything
kill yourself
>>37126538
Oh I was speaking more about low weights as in less than 1 plate.
Higher than that, yes there is a significant difference but lower than that no.
>>37125871
It appears that you lack the muscle to 2pl8 anything. So anything you say is not valid.
>>37126562
Oh look, honey, a NEET.
Drink coffee before lifting
>>37125456
>If you eat 2 hours before bed it will all turn to fat
But isn't that the fastest way to gain weight if you're struggling like me? I find eating right before bed helps me put on weight.
>>37126569
What the fuck, why even bother posting all that then. I know 90% of /fit/ is DYEL; but shit senpai.
>>37125045
don't egolift
>>37126691
>90% of /fit/ is DYEL
Kind of answered your own question there.
>>37125045
Cardio kills gains.
>>37125310
this fucking guy
>>37126714
this is technically true though, high volumes of cardiovascular training combined with high volumes of strength training attenuates strength development. You can find plenty of research on the topic from various journals like the journal of strength and conditioning research.
>>37126404
> ACSM certified pt
>meaning jack shit
never fucking reply to me or my wife's son ever again
>>37126764
Why not? Did your wife drop him on his head when he was a baby?
>>37126052
lmao everybody's laughing at the guy who's constrained to the plane.
>>37126404
>acsm certified pt
so are you trying to say you dont use the smith-machine at all? because what else is it good for besides those lifts
>>37126917
Australian pull ups, negative low weight power lifts, calf raises, shrugs, a towel rack, pretending you're a truck driver, sloth hang, a place to sit. I don't know man, use your imagination.
>>37126984
yeah that's exactly what I use it for, but I couldn't figure out if you were defending the smith-machine or not.
IMO it's utterly useless but I like the idea of a bar that I can move around for my chinups etc
all those retarded pullup bars and not a single straight bar in my gym except for the smith-machine bar
>>37127006
This desu.
Power racks with a fuck ton of angles for pull ups and chin ups are retarded.
>>37127037
look at what my fucking gym ordered
>SS is a meme
fuck you /fit/
>>37125871
you look alright, not big but not dyel either.
>>37125309
If my body can take in 1200 calories in one sitting then I'm sure my body can take more than 30g of protein in one sitting
I don't have science behind this.
>>37125045
"don't be a pussy"
>>37127085
Absolute waste of money and the memeist shit I've seen.
Get rock climbing holds at most.
>>37127085
Oh I like those. Helps me tell the difference between the "girls" who want to keep giving their boyfriends smooth hand jobs and the actual men.
>>37125309
triggered
>>37125309
see the nephron and bowman's capsule, they're responsible for deciding what stays in the body and what gets excreted. namely the bowman's capsule - it's what retains important nutrients even when the body doesn't immediately need them
>>37127128
>>37127190
fuck, second reply was for you m8
>>37125310
Is that why I can The Press 1 pl8 effortlessly in the Smith machine and feel like I'm going to die on the barbell.
>>37125045
easy peasy have him load up 430 on a barbell and see what he can do
>>37127220
>Smith Machine
>1 pl8
Smith machine 1 pl8 is 0.5 plate barbell because bar weight.
>>37125220
wide grip and pec flys are the best ways for inner chest, so that's not totally wrong
>>37127085
What the fuck is this? Some Klingon weapon selection bundle?
>>37127376
batman utility belts
>>37125456
Knees shouldn't go over toes
Squatting below parallel put tons of shear on the knees.
Those are the best exercises when sports training (which is why crossfit incorporates them because it's cross platform fitness).
Bcaas are naturally in whey and are only good to use when fasted.
Eating carbs before bed does increase likelihood that the glucose will be converted to fat since your body doesn't need glycogen when sleeping.
>>37125310
Slaphazard bait
Download Myfitnesspal
>>37127600
If you use it to count calories and nothing else, myfitnesspal is okay.
>>37127644
.... does MFP do anything else?
>>37127667
Apparently it can track macros and shit, but their calculators are all kinds of retarded.
>>37127687
Oh, I thought you meant it did other shit like track workouts or something.
I haven't noticed it's macro calculating being shit though I'm not one to confirm since I only pay attention to protein and calories.
>>37125328
>>37125310
jesus christ.
First post I open today and I see this
I honestly can't tell if the trolling has gotten out of hand, if this is some ebin meme or if the reddit broscientist faggots have invaded the board
im out
>>37127748
I thought he was baiting hard at first, but after going through the trouble of posting pics, etc I think he's just genuinely stupid.
It's an anonymous fitness board. Got to expect a good amount of idiots I guess.
>>37126610
Fuck yourself, fatass.
>>37127220
That's just because you're a DYEL fuccboi.
>>37125871
Fuck off, Chad. Tell Lucy she's a bitch.
>>37127904
BTFO
>>37127904
>>37125540
>tfw 188cm
King of Manlets :(
>>37127904
>>37127220
>1 pl8 press
Niqqa what are you doing?
50 kg was what I pressed for 5 for the first time ever.
>>37127904
kek
>>37128797
>trying to brag about some "achievement" in a vietnamese cp forum, with a trip
>>37127266
Inner chest targeting is a lie
>>37128926
LEL
>>37128833
not that guy, but
>trip
>>37129234
not that guy, but
>being this new
>>37126404
I seated (lanklet) OHP 2plate in the smith for shits and giggles once. I barely crank out 80kg for 2. Don't you fucking dare tell people there are no differences between the smith machine and free weights.
Overtraining is a meme
You think you are overtraining because you don't get as a big of a pump while training, but once you get two rest days in a row you will increase your mass in a considerable way compared to lifting in a low volume training
people are afraid of not getting the pump and that's why they say too much volume overtrains your muscles
>>37125376
why don't you google this incredibly obvious thing that 99% of fit is in agreement about.
>>37127904
10/10
Now post your beautiful ass.
>>37127547
please shut the fuck up
>>37126569
... less than 1 pl8? This started with talk of deadlifts on the smith. If you're looking to build any sort of muscle, you're going to be deadlifting a shit load more than 1pl8.
>>37127715
Same here, works fine for that. I use it to track lifts as well, do both with one app. Don't know if it's the best solution, but its an easy one.
>>37125453
This guy has it right. People keep trying to tell me that doing leg press doesn't make my arms bigger, but they don't have any scientific studies to back it up.
>>37125045
>Read the stick
Worked fine af senpai
>>37125466
>Someone read the sticky
>>37125871
Post ass
>>37127085
Hey fuck off that shit is real, my bf hates when I play with his dick cause my hands have those sharp calluses now... :(
desu, I just use my mouth more instead so it's a catch 22 I suppose.
>>37125226
Eh, most Smith machines I've seen at gyms are counter weighted (don't count the bar as weight). For example, most people that assume they're benching or squatting 135 are really only doing ~90. That stat of his is most likely ~385.
But yes, grip is harder the wider the bar, I'll give him that.
jus b urself
>>37127220
Look closely at the Smith machine next time. If there's a cable running upwards, parallel with the guide rail then you're using a counter weighted Smith machine. Your "1pl8" which is normally 135lbs is only actually 90lbs on a counter weighted Smith machine.
Basically you're DYEL. Stick to the free weights.
>>37127904
Not gonna lie that is a winning smile
People can lift heavier on smith, but not because they're actually putting up any less weight. Its because there's less room for error. No worry about stabilization, just a single directional force.
Smith and free weight are different, but in terms of pure strength training neither is superior. You will progress linearly either way
>>37125226
>his grip strength doesn't surpass his deadlift capability
DYEL?
do "military presses" (which turned out to apparently be 1/2 ROM push presses to this guy)
>>37131281
wrong. the bar is counterbalanced by a pulley system
>>37125220
enjoy only doing 1 exercise for a muscle that has multiple heads and having bitch tits
>>37131281
>Smith and free weight are different, but in terms of pure strength training neither is superior. You will progress linearly either way
you literally just admitted the stablising muscles are not used and yet you still claim this
>>37131434
bench presses go heavy which means massive tension in the entire chest which means growth in the entire chest.
>>37127904
Fucking hot, I'm drooling. I have a thing for these preppy chad types.
>>37125045
The best way to lose weight is to stop eating so much.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/167125/best_way_to_lose_weight/
>>37125927
>being this dumb
Doing literally any d1 college sport is very hard. Doing track d1 guarantees you are a fantastic athlete.
>>37125045
do cardio
>>37126917
>>37126984
Is it dumb that I use them for shoulder press? I prefer to use bars on that so I just use the Smith since the bars at my gym only go up to 80lb
>>37131492
>if i use as much weight as possible at only one angle, it'll work all the muscles, even though they work harder at another angle!
>If you want to gain muscles yo need to eat more
>Your routine is akin to 15% of your gains
>>37126764
Fuck YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU and your reddit memes
>fkn lol'd
>>37126731
But to say it kills gains is misleading. It merely mauls gains a bit.
>>37131041
He's claiming 430, which would be 385 if the bar doesn't count. Still not too shabby, he can probably do 4pl8 in free weight.
Smith machines are poison it forces you to go on a track. So you can be pushing in another direction but the smith will still guide you upwards. It will cause bad form
