Will anti-depressants affect my gains? Specifically 20mg citalopram a day. I fap a lot less
Enjoy gyno faggot
>>37079668
OK I'm fucking going of it right now gyno is my worst fear
>>37079701
You're not gonna get gyno from citalopram, retard.
Escitaprolam gave me a normal human appetite instead of not eating all day, so if say it helps my gains. I take roids and other hormone controls so ive never really thought about any hormonal sides from it.
>>37080162
Words out that SSRI increases estrogen
>>37080162
i take escitaprolam and dont roid and i have experienced no hormonal effects, but of course this is only anecdotal evidence and im sure it could be different for others blah blah blah
H1t bLun7s 3ryd@y
>>37079232
Anti-depressants will affect your LIFE gains. Throw them down the toilet, never get any more of them, and learn to deal with your own problems instead of resorting to shitty pills that fuck up your neurochemistry.
>>37079232
I take it you've never gotten blood work done
The possibility of an ssri curing your problems are incredibly low, and believe me, they can mess you up
>>37080412
SSRIs may also reduce your dopamine levels, which will definitely negatively affect your ability to perform athletically, including lifting in the gym. Dopamine is essential to muscular contractions. Furthermore dopamine is necessary for the production of norepinephrine (adrenaline). Low dopamine levels can also make you feel less satisfied with your life and decrease your ability to deal with stressful situations. Seriously, unless you're in imminent danger of committing suicide, get off SSRIs and learn to deal with the problems in your life instead of relying on pills to try to run away from your problems. If you absolutely have to take an SSRI then get some N-Acetyl-Tyrosine and take a few grams of it per day to offset any dopamine delpletion caused by increased serotonin levels due to the SSRI. Unless you don't care if you Make It or not.
>>37080460
I take them because I'm lonely because I want a gf but I'm to shy to approach
>>37080483
>not the OP
>>37080483
jesus anon get ahold of yourself
>>37080483
>>37080488
I am the op
>>37080483
>>37080499
No doctor is going to give you antidepressants because you can't get a girlfriend.
>troll thread
>***EJECTING***
>>37080519
They do you idiot, I have depression because I don't have a gf
I'd pic with timestamp if I was at home
Everbody always ripping on SSRIs
What about NaSSAs?
Try Wellbutrin brah. It doesn't break your dick like SSRIs.
If you can't convince your doctor to switch you, go to a clinic, ask for wellbutrin and tell them you want to quit smoking.
>>37080543
Same thing basically, in that people think prescription medication will solve their depression, when it will more often then not make the problem worse because it's not what they need
>>37080559
I just stopped taking mine a week who after 7 years of use since I want to have a natty brain.
just figure out the factors in your life that are causing you to feel depressed and change them yourself.
start by writing down every thought that bothers you and reconstruct your cognitive patterns into more positive perspectives.
you don't need anti-depressants.
>>37080460
This. Citalopram while I was a devolving teenager broke my brain. Tread lightly.
>>37079232
>falling for the psychoactive jew
Might as well transition now, famalam.
>>37081184
1. i want a gf
>inb4 lower standards
anon anon anon....my only criteria is that she's white and not obese. I'm also like a 9/10 NOT because of my looks but because i'm wealthy.
>>37079232
Stay away from that shit, talk to a therapist, exercise more, connect with friends or family, people whom you know you can trust. I remember taking that shit, They told me to take it at night and I'd be fine, fucking would wake up in the middle of the night to my chest thumping and would continue to wake up every hour to 45 minutes, this lasted like 2 fucking weeks, worst period of my life. I think it also may have fucked with my heart, though I was told everything is fine.
>>37079232
Antidepressants? You mean KEK pills, faggot!
>>37079232
yeah, skeletons don't have much muscle. should stop taking them now.
(you wind up hanging yourself in this situation.)
>>37081623
just buy a prostitute like a normal person
>>37079232
SSRI's:
- Lower your libido
- Make you hungry
- And don't really work
>>37079232
YES citalopram turns you full robot, I couldn't even jizz on it
>>37080559
Or ask for methylphenidate or adderal.
When I feel down, stimulants work like magic.
I just forget about my problems and annoyances and just start to work on things (gym, school, music, ..)
'Arbeit Macht Frei' is one of the truest slogans out there.
We are not made to have our lives filled with boredom and void.
Been on pristique for about a year now and i havent noticed any effect on my gains. Still making good progress, especially with the increased appetite side effect.
I found that im more confident now, especially around women but i still get very low and have suicidal tendencies once every few months. Forget about having sex as well. Even if u can get it up (i have to use viagra for this) its like impossible to cum.
>>37079232
Don't do it bro, I fell for the meme and it probably ruined my life objectively speaking.
Is there hope for getting back to normal bros?
>>37081623
you want a gf but you have to love yourself first my friend
cliche, i know, but cliche for a reason.
you don't know how awesome life is until you fall in love with yourself and treat yourself damn well.
gf comes after that.
>>37082852
>We are not made to have our lives filled with boredom and void.
ah, but we are, my frand. the void is always there. poking you. sucking you in.
vacuuming your fucking soul.
you betta embrace that shit.
>>37082928
pls help
Will I be normal again? I took it for ~4 months.
>>37082928
yes
you detox from the anti-d, it gets out of your system. very simple
you work on yourself, by yourself, with yourself.
>>37083037
I think it gave me pseudo-gyno, have got very puffy nipples + softer body in general, been off for ~3 weeks but effects persist.
>>37083058
Speak to a doctor about it, get a blood test
>>37079232
>Listening to a greek mussel trading board regarding anti-depressants
>Instead of someone who spent 15 years studying pertinent knowledge and that told you to use them
Dude, people going "Don't use them, they'll mess with your mind! You just need willpower!" have no experience of depression.
They probably think they're "depressed" because they're pathetic excuses for human beings, and they think their constant lack of satisfaction is due to 'depression', instead of being a natural effect of their pathetic lives.
They have no idea what it means having a good life, yet being miserable 24/7.
They have no idea what it means to have friends near you, someone who loves you, yet being completely unable to give the feeling back because you're chemically unable to.
They have no idea what it means to have all food start tasting the same because your dopamine receptors are so dead that any kind of 'pleasurable' activity only produces numbness.
Take your fucking meds. They take at least a month to make your life better, and afterwards you will finally feel like you're human once more.
You're like a man missing his legs right now, and on one side you have a doctor trying to give you perfect human-like prosthetics, while one the other side you have people telling you you're perfectly fine crawling on your hands in the dirt.
>>37083091
Dude it's such fucking lefty bullshit
All you need to cure depression is some exercise and a fucking can do attitude you berniecuck
>>37083091
stop being a weak shit and find the fucking power in your goddamn self.
stop wallowing.
i was diagnosed major depression, generalized anxiety, eating disorder, adhd... i have had more success being my own therapist than i have in over 10 years of traditional therapy.
you want to be miserable. that's your problem. you want to pity yourself. love yourself or get back in the womb.
>>37083106
>>37083119
I'm sure your opinion, in direct contraddiction with literally any neurologist on the planet, will be a great addition to our healthcare plans.
It's the fault of fucking retards like you that it's almost impossible to get any recognition for mental illnesses, because they're seen as something you can just "power through".
Real depression doesn't mean you feel sad, you fucking neanderthal. It means your dopamine receptors are dead, or close to, and your body is unable to give you all the positive reinforcement necessary for the formation of good habits, or simply to live happily.
"Exercise" feels good because you get a shot of dopamine when you do it, and when you get the results. A person with clinical depression won't get that.
With depression, you will sometimes wake up, then be unable to move for hours on end, because your body is telling you that doing so would be 'inefficient', since every goddamn action you take during the day is just done so you can get your fix of dopamine.
And while you're clinically depressed, nothing does that, so the brain becomes convinced that you may as well not do anything.
Anyone with these opinions is giving a stark proof that they have no idea what it feels like to have a mental illness, especially the second one. You're completely full of shit or you were midsiagnosed if your solution to depression was "Just do it".
It's not a mental issue alone, it's a measurable medical fact that your brain is shot.
>>37083132
Just go outside and get some fresh air
I guarantee you'll be much better from that than what Dr. Sheckleberg gives you.
>>37083150
I don't think there's much use discussing it here. I'm not going to change anyone's opinion on an anonymous board about protein shakes and skateboard squats.
I get fresh air and friendly outings all the time. Yesterday I went out with 7 friends, was the life of the party, we laughed and had fun.
Only I wasn't feeling anything from it.
Real depression isn't anything like the movies. If anything, if someone is crying all the time, chances are they're not depressed at all. The main symptom of depression isn't sadness, it's apathy.
If I just described my life without mentioning the depression, it'd be worth of envy.
I go to the gym three times a week, I have enough disposable income to pay for the most luxurious one in the city (I don't use 2/3 of the features, but I can afford it), I live with two friends, and the house in front of ours contains 4 more of our closest friends. I'm on my last year of my degree, everything is paid for me, and I'm already making freelance money, on top of the limitless amount of family fortune I already have at my disposal.
Yet I can't feel anything from any of it unless I regularly take my pills.
Every time I start feeling good again I get the dangerous "Maybe I don't need the meds after all" thought, which destroys my life again the moment I listen to it.
What you don't seem to get is that it's not an imaginary mental thing. It's not something you can power through, no less than you can 'power through' a leg fracture or a stroke.
It's a chemical imbalance that won't be corrected until you get proper medication for it.
Keeping someone away from a cure because you think it's just a conspiracy of the jews makes you exactly the same as anti-vaxers. It's literally the same thing.
>>37083198
Yes you defined depression.
What does any of that have to do with the fact that anti-depressants have been shown to be marginally more effective than placebos and significantly less effective than excercise in clinical trials
>>37083132
>in direct contraddiction with literally any neurologist on the planet,
my entire current existence defied the expectations of a team of neurologists and neurosurgeons.
i understand real depression.
real depression... you feel jack shit. you feel empty.
you are aware of the fucking void, and you need to learn to embrace the fact that nothing fucking matters or means anything.
and you find a reason to live; you find something you love. you find something, not a drug, that makes you feel good. you have that something, i fucking promise.
my brain is amazing, despite what every doctor i've seen about it has ever told me.
>>37083150
valid points you got there famalam
>>37079232
>anti depressants
Do you want to be...more sad?
>>37083218
That's just a myth.
Not all depression inbalances are the same, and you need a 6 month trial to determine if the one you're taking is the right one.
It took me one year and a half to find the one that'd save my life.
All the studies that show the lack of efficacy of AD are conducted in a very short lifespan, using the same SSRI treatment on the whole control group.
Plus not all depressions are the same, so even with the right treatment someone might be getting a more dramatic improvement than someone else.
That skews the results in no small measure. It's not coincidence that even those that get better with placebos soon lose the efficacy, because they're not actually getting cured in any way.
>>37083221
I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is stronger than the statistical significance of every other case on the planet.
"I made it defying all odds" isn't exactly a convincing evidence, when the 99% chance is that it won't be the same for someone else.
>>37083221
>and you find a reason to live; you find something you love. you find something, not a drug, that makes you feel good. you have that something, i fucking promise.
I second all this. Going to the gym studying foreign languages and learning instruments while pretending that all of that isn't pointless helped me more than anything else.
I refused to take anti depressants when I was suicidal. I have taken mdma a couple of times and it made me associate feeling good with being sociable and apart from the time I too too much put me in a good mood for a week afterwards
>>37083246
all i see is you making excuses not to take charge of your own life, your own you.
sad.
>>37083256
I'd honestly ask you what I need to change in my life, going from what I wrote in my previous post.
It's the perfect life from any conceivable standard.
When my depression started i had been lifting for 15 years so i can say exercise will do nothing to help your mood if you have clinical depression.
Before the medication i was having multiple panic attacks every day, i was so angry from the obsessive thoughts that i would kick things around at work and had a bad mood.
Medication saved me. I didn't lift for three years but have been back into it now for nine months and even though i love hitting PRs lifting doesn't make me any happier in my general life.
>>37083091
Literally cured my 9 year long depression by exercising and going outside more
>>37083248
yes! i found that i love making music as well. singing, specifically. does wonders for the feels.
>>37083218
>What does any of that have to do with the fact that anti-depressants have been shown to be marginally more effective than placebos and significantly less effective than excercise in clinical trials
you're talking about on average and confusing that with individual cases. depression is a tricky subject with multiple causes and tons of open questions. some people will respond well to exercise, others to medication, others to therapy and so on. you can't say predict that one of these treatments is guaranteed to be much better than another for a specific person
>>37083268
Are you even reading the posts\
>>37083246
>It took me one year and a half to find the one that'd save my life.
So you have been on three different drugs that cause permanent changes to brain chemistry and have found one that makes you feel somewhat less aphatethic.
I'l take my chances
>>37083263
>It's the perfect life from any conceivable standard.
And yet you find no meaning in it. What do you want or aspire to be
>>37083132
Misdiagnosis regarding depression is astoundingly high. I know more than a few people who were put on anti depressants only to end up much worse than they started and in one case dead
>>37083263
hm, are you happy? if you're happy, then i have nothing to say. if you needed medication to get there, fine, but OP and some others were conflicted with that route. it's not the route that will give you a true sense of autonomy and self-empowerment. but if that was yours, fine, i guess.
>>37083277
>cause permanent changes to brain chemistry
Not really
There's a reason why even when you find the right one, it stops working when you stop taking it
>>37083284
What I already am, a tetralingual interpreter with powerful connections.
>>37083292
That doesn't change the fact that someone with depression should take their fucking meds.
>>37083276
I was going to type more but other people have already said it so I kept it short.
>>37083292
Pretty much. My friend was put on them when he was 16 without trying any form of therapy or encouraged to make any changes in his life because he was depressed. He is now 22 still on them, depressed and has developed anxiety from them
Have you all taken your meds today?
>>37083309
>My friend was put on them when he was 16 without trying any form of therapy
In any proper country, you're not even allowed AD before you have been on psychotherapy for at least 6 months.
That's more the fault of shitty healthcare than AD.
>>37083309
>has developed anxiety from them
I would really like to know exactly how it was determined that the anxiety was caused by the medication and not something else.
>>37083299
Like how people who were mentally I'll back in the day went through with being lobotomized? Sure modern medicine has improved but it is by no means perfect and is in fact pretty flawed, especially concerning mental health.
>>37083329
You're perfectly right, we should also stop vaccinations altogether because sometimes people get rashes from it and we still don't understand why.
>>37083327
>you're not even allowed AD before you have been on psychotherapy for at least 6 months.
Why not. Aren't they magical pills that stop you being depressed?
I lifted six days a week and exercise did nothing and therapy made me worse. It was a horrific cycle.
Talking about it would bring up memories and obsessive thoughts. So for an entire week after seeing a therapist i was severely depressed when i couldn't talk i was so depressed and i needed a day off work every week to deal with it. Then slowly over the second week i got back to where i wasnt as depressed and then it was time to see the therapist again and the cycle started again.
>>37083299
I was diagnosed with depression three years ago and I refused meds and started seeing a different therapist. She diagnosed me with SAD (seasonal affective disorder) and suggested I take a vitamin D supplement and a melatonin supplement and Ive been pretty much all cleared up since.
>>37083355
>Talking about it would bring up memories and obsessive thoughts.
Sounds like you would have benefitted more from cbt than talking about your feelings
>>37083329
You're right that we have to be careful, but there's an excess of zealotism in the opposite direction. Kind of "We are not 110% sure, so if you try to cure yourself you are weak and making excuses".
So not only is your life devoid of any happiness, you will be told that it's all your fault and that you're stupid for trying to be cured.
>>37083339
They're magical pills that magically stop you being depressed.
However, they don't stop you from being sad if there's reasons to be.
There's a difference.
There's also a misconception that once you get the prescription you're just off the hook and you just waltz into the sunset with your newfound happiness.
After you start taking AD you must regularly keep up with the psychologist (not psychiatrist) to see if it's having the wanted effect, or if there's other problems that might not be Depression.
It's a well thought-out process.
Then there's countries like the US where you're just signed off on meds and you're forced to leave before you're billed your whole life savings, but it's hardly worth mentioning America as an example of correct healthcare.
>>37083335
are you really comparing vaccines to anti depressants? Rashes to chemical imbalances which lead to worsened personality disorders? Are you sure?
>>37083379
The thought process of an anti-vaxer is the same as the one of an anti-psychopharmaceuticals.
"I read on a blog once that it's bad for you, so the whole medical community must be wrong"
>>37083387
>"I read on a blog once that it's bad for you, so the whole medical community must be wrong"
More like
"Huh so there is very little evidence these dangerous pills loaded with side effects work"
>>37083401
>"Huh so there is very little evidence these dangerous pills loaded with side effects work"
yeah, that's exactly like something you'd read on a blog. I think you proved his point.
>>37083401
The difference is that while a competent psychologist will be like "We have to be careful and administer proper treatment before we try with meds", the ignorant anti-meds activist will be shouting "ALL MEDS ARE THE DEVIL, YOU JUST NEED TO GET BETTER ON YOUR OWN"
>>37083372
I can agree with you, going hardline against anti depressants is solves nothing for people that need them. Going on an anecdotal tangent but nearly every case I've heard of with anti depressants has been a fuck up. It's literally never been the right choice from the stories I've heard. Exhausting all other options before resorting to anti depressants would be the route I would personally take. Often the medical professional one will be dealing with will be quick to write a prescription without considering all of the possibilities, according to my mother who has worked with mentally ill people her entire life
>>37083418
>competent psychologist
Psychology is not a science and there opinions are educated guesses at best.
Science follows the scientific method. Psychology doesn't.
>>37083414
Most of the information I have received about ADs being the devil has been from people who were either on them or worked in mental health
>>37083430
*their
The night shift is killing my brain
>>37083422
Didn't expect this debate to explode. Going from my completely anecdotal evidence, I was doing psychotherapy for something completely different, when at one point, after 4 months of visits, the psychologist stopped me and told me "If you're alright with it, we may need to put you on antidepressants."
She then pointed to a series of situations where my view of reality was so skewed, that I didn't even notice how depression was warping my sight.
After I started on the meds it was like a veil had been lifted, it was comparable to when I first put on glasses after one year needing them.
>>37083430
>Science follows the scientific method. Psychology doesn't.
You're confusing Bachelor-tier psychology with medical psychology.
For the former, you only need a 3-year degree, for the latter you need a 10-year medical degree followed by a 3-5 years PhD
Neuropsychiatry, a real science by your standards, operates completely on the basis of medical psychology.
>>37083445
Cool you responded well. I felt tired all the time and my dick stopped working
>>37083422
I was on lexapro for 9 months while also in counselling. This is the gold standard for depression treatment and my life has changed dramatically for the better
>>37083468
>I was on lexapro for 9 months while also in counselling
Most of the "antidepressants ruined my life" stories come from people who only took the lexapro then were left to their own devices until they broke down
>>37083463
>Neuropsychiatry, a real science by your standards
Kind of. We have established that depressed people have unusual brain scans that some healthy people also have. Not much else its still in its infancy and can not be taken seriously
>>37083445
What country do you live in? That sounds like an ideal experience (considering the situation). I've heard horror stories of first session prescription or prescriptions within a week. My best friend actually just got off his anti depressants which he was told to take after spending a fairly insignificant amount of time with his therapist. He says he is slowly regaining the capacity process his emotions which sounds like utter shit. I personally wish the best for every person on the planet as we're all in it together. Just worried about all the people that are hastily written off and never recieve the help they need. The more I think about it the more gray the subject is becoming. Mental illness is as real as physical illness but much more difficult to pin down as there isn't necessarily a definite way of knowing exactly what is the appropriate way to proceed with any given person, especially considering how differently one person will react to a drug than another may.
>>37083488
We have also determined that depressed people show a reduced or no chemical reaction to a straight injection of dopamine.
Something you can test and get objective scientific results for.
>Not much else its still in its infancy and can not be taken seriously
You're so far up your own ass I can't believe it. Neuropsychiatry is also the science that cures brain tumors, that concerns itself with physical problems in the brain, and that has developed every treatment concerning the brain.
"Neuropsychiatry" =/= depression treatments.
It's like saying medicine is a sham because we don't know how to cure cancer. Not knowing a panacea for a single malady doesn't destroy the credibility of an entire discipline.
>>37083506
I'm in Italy.
I'm not sure it's even legal to get psychomedication without months of therapy before it.
Even the prescription forms for it are different and need to be specially requested, because they're on an even higher tier than 'normal' prescription meds.
>>37083509
>Neuropsychiatry is also the science that cures brain tumors, that concerns itself with physical problems in the brain, and that has developed every treatment concerning the brain.
Well done 10/10 gold star you defined neuropsychiatry. It should have been apparent I meant specific to depression
allow me to be more clear. Neuropsychiatry is not yet useful for helping depressed people
>>37083519
Ah so regulations actually exist!
Here in Canada I'm not entirely sure what our regulations are, or if we even have any past "it's a perscribed drug"
>>37083519
My friend that I mentioned went back to Vancouver over winter break and came back with 5+ bottles of various meds including amphetamines
>>37083519
On that note however I think I'd best sleep. You managed to shift at least one opinion, I intend to research the subject further, but for now it's 4am so I'm going to sleep
>>37083106
You have no idea what depression is, do you?
>>37083091
More often anti-depressants are not a cure. They're a crutch. Something to keep you mentally stable and functional work wise while you use other forms of therapy to solve your problem.
I fully support they're use as long as people realise that they are a treatment and a support, not a cure.
