Hey /fit/, why don't you beta faggots stop lifting install a Linux GNU to learn how to code in C like this alpha male on the left?
>>36994425
>implying the guy on the left is in a better position than the guys on the right
No thanks m8, I'd be gay and hot than fat and ugly.
>>36994425
How about if I do both?
>learning to code
It's 2016. Every pseudo-intellectual 16 year old knows how to fucking code. Like, what actual job prospects are there for coding? It's not 1999 anymore, bud. Learning to code is as much a waste of time as gender studies.
>>36994480
There's more to code that making your computer say 'hello world' anon.
>>36994425
Kek I can code & I also lift. U mad?
>>36994480
>No jobs in IT
Can't tell if trolling or genuinely autistic...
>>36994425
I'd rather be gay and fit than be that fat heart attack and kidney stone accumulator on the left.
>>36994480
>YFW kiddies with How-to coding books are selling apps for mega bux on Google Play and the App store.
one day when i get jacked imma install gentoo so i become the first jacked dude to have installed gentoo
>>36994425
If he's so alpha, why does he use emacs?
I code C in vi like a real man.
>>36994525
>coding
>man
Pick one
>>36994480
This.
Third yearCS students are getting passed over for people with non CS degrees. The bubble burst after Facebook.
>>36994425
>tfw no large nerd bf to shove cheeto dust covered fingers up your ass
>>36994425
The picture on the left is shopped, Richard Stallman is not that fat and doesn’t wear those clothes.
>install a Linux GNU to learn how to code in C like this alpha male on the left.
I run Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on my main pc and Debian 8.4 jessie on my home server.
And work as a System Administrator.
good b8, made me respond.
>>36994454
>>36994501
>>36995408
>not building your own gnu/linux kernel for max freedom
>not having a UNIX beard
>not worshiping our lord Richard Stallman who'd lead us to ultimate freedom
>probably a botnetcuck too
Literal faggots
>>36995445
Install Gentoo
>>36995516
Stallman hates Gentoo, you should know that.
>>36994425
>Implying I'm not about to start the 3rd year of my Software engineer major
Being a swole smart tall (though average in the Netherlands) guy is the best.
>>36995534
gentoo is a /g/ meme, senpai
>>36995534
Install GnuSense
> C
If I'm going to be a raging faggot, I might as well look good while taking it up the ass.
Go back to that IDE or text editor and end your project.
Procrastination is no good.
>>36995923
But I have no project that can be worked on right now. I've already finished the latest sprint for my only group project.
I use gentoo and know C
>>36994454
how do you feel about being fat, gay and ugly
>>36995445
>I run Ubuntu
Kill yourself. I don't understand how you could possibly think using ubuntu makes you cool.
>>36996820
he said Install GNU+Linux, I stated that I run Ubuntu, which is GNU+Linux.
I never said it was cool, you are just reading too far into it.
>>36994425
Why not be both a coder and a fit dude? Coding doesn't take very long at all, you could learn it in between sets or reps.
>>36996887
>Do fizzbuzz
>every error returned is a new set of reps
>>36996887
I tried learning python and didnt make it past page 5
>implying i don't lift and use gnu/linux
>not mastering every field you can
>>36996752
But I'm not fat and ugly m80
I know how to code you faggot
>>36994499
He has a point tho
>>36997579
wanna be gay together bby :^)
>>36997396
I learned Python in the tenth grade in a comp science class. Real easy stuff senpai. Literally anyone can pick it up
>>36998045
There's a difference between being able to code and being able to code proper, logical, bug-free, unit tested, non-happy route exclusive, extensible and readable programs.
>>36994425
Lmao your usual "learning to code" nowadays means fuck all. Your little "hello world" and sorting algorithms can be trained from pajeets for L I T E R A L L Y a fraction of your wage. If you go to school to be a code monkey without knowing any of the theory then you're as replaceable as a cuck in the machine.
Numerical/quantitative skills are much more valuable than knowing how to code like an autist.
>>36998311
this is exactly the reason why I'm majoring in math and not falling for the CS meme
>>36994425
>2016
>not making six figures in information security
>>36998607
Except CS is the place where you learn the skills you need.
>>36998311
>>36998607
uh
CS coursework doesn't teach code monkey stuff aside from an entry course or two
The overwhelming majority of the coursework is theoretical and mathematical
>>36998045
Lol...
>>36998835
>CSfag think he does anything that remotely resembles upper division maths
Kill yourself fagmilia
>>36998854
>thinking you need any of that in programming
>>36998869
Nice deflection, idiot.
>m-muh discrete maths is mathematical enough
That's why you're going to be replaced by pajeets lmao.
>>36998854
I'm CS/Math double major
Top level math courses (analysis systems etc) are basically just less applicable version of top level cs courses
Have fun writing proofs you worthless algebraist
>still coding in C
This is like faggots squatting high bar because it's harder than low bar
>>36998894
I hope your leet math skills will help you with the 95% of coding that has nothing to do with math and the 0.05% that has nothing to do with math that isn't covered in CS.
>>36998903
>"analysis systems"
>implying analysis is upper level
>implying topology, measure theory, differential geometry are "less applied comp sci courses"
>thinks proofs are useless even though people smarter than him uses it everyday to make new codes and show that the code he uses terminates
It's painfully obvious that you have no idea what upper level math classes are like. Typical CSfag delusions of grandeur
>>36995555
Rofl my roommate is a software engineering sr and shes a moron.
>>36998994
>she
found the problem lad
>>36998994
>she
Women can't code.
Women can't do anything.
>>36998942
Where did the 4.95% go? Lmao isn't it sad that you can code like the average monkey and yet can't even do elementary arithmetic?
>>36998962
Analysis (real or complex) and systems (dynamic) you fucking mong
topology is literally just a useless version of architecture/org, measure theory is obviously not top level, and differential geometry is hardly ever applicable
>proofs are used to make new codes but algorithm optimization is somehow useless
???
oh thank goodness you wrote an obtuse proof to tell me what a machine could have in fractions of a second
done replying, bait's weak
final note: software engineering is the degree you're looking to mock, not computer science
>>36999065
>reading comprehension
>>36994499
IT is the most over-saturated job market in 2016
>>36998726
This
>>36994425
because coding is for pajeets and beta males
>>36999065
Pls be trolling...
>>36999077
>doesn't know how to use commas
>blames other people for misinterpreting
What an dumbfuck.
>topology is just a useless version of architechture
>implying classifying homotopy groups is architechture
>implying smooth deformations are related to architechture at all
>implying you know what the fuck you're talking about
Holy shit you're fucking retarded lmao.
>measure theory isn't upper level
It's literally the course you take after analysis fucking idiot.
>diff geo is useless
>implying it being literally the back bone of general relativity is useless
>implying it being used in the construction of GPS is useless
Lmao fucking dumbass.
>more strawman
>more nonsequitur
What a massive retard. I hope life takes it easy on you in the future because you won't get very far with that barely functioning head of yours.
Desperate mathfag justification pls go
>>36999063
Good heavens would you look at the time
>>36999234
Make way for the real king of games faggot
>>36999234
>>36999246
You are both failures
>>36997467
ah nice to find other polymaths around.
>>36998091
>>36998845
>implying i dont know know this
yes, 10th grade was a foundation and i went from there, in 11th and 12th, do you really think i dropped it after 10th? fucking nigger logic.
>>36999291
>>36999246
>>36999063
Please explain someone.
>>36999291
t. Failure
Watch how the actual king of games does it
>>36999566
It's just people who have been here way too long
>>36999594
Yea sure but what about this "5"
>>36999660
No
i d o n ' t g e t 5
>>36999234
>>36999246
>>36999291
>>36999581
Let me show you how the REAL king of games does things
All these weak ass gets
I have come
>>36999137
BS. I could fill up a bathtub with all the job offers I'm getting. Have a nice-looking resume, at least a B.Sc. (preferrably M.Sc.), a well-rounded, filled-out github account and friends in open-source communities (which will translate into friends in companies) and don't be autistic, and you will swim in job offers.
Not all of them are quality offers, of course, and it depends on country. But there is no way to be jobless if you can at least do either webdev or mobile dev, unless you're a full-on autist. The stream of people who want an app or a shitty online store is neverending.
>>36999971
Titties
>>36999979
Titties?
>>36999891
Pathetic.
>>36999998
so close and yet so far
>>36999999
>>37000000
>>36999998
>one off
>>36999971
I've been wanting to start contributing on github but I wouldn't know where to start. Do you have any advice?
>>37000006
5's are banned from this thread
>>37000042
If you have already done some amount of projects on your own, start there. Just doing some stuff at your own pace is easier at first than collaborating with others, which has lots of additional challenges.
Otherwise, just pick any piece of software you are currently using which is written in a language you feel comfortable with, and start fixing bugs that personally annoy you. Before you know it, you'll be knee-deep in the project, improving architecture and whatnot.
There are also a bunch of projects that are known to be especially friendly to newcomers, like the dolphin project. Some of the stuff in dolphin can be pretty advanced though (since it's an emulator, which is a pretty complex thing)
You can also start collaborating on some games. 48-hour gamejams are a great format for that. Find some locally-held gamejams in your area and participate.
>>37000088
Is github a common subject in job interviews or conversations leading up to them without you bringing it up?
>>37000061
I'll just settle for dubs
>>37000127
Sure.
Many companies will ask for your github et al, the ones that don't will likely have already looked for it and found it on their own. I know when I interview anybody (which doesn't happen that often, but occasionally), I always look at their GH and see what kind of contributions they've made to other projects, what their language-spread is like et cetera, especially if it's for some kind of thing where I need "all-rounder" people who can effectively fix an issue at any level of the system.
These days I just have it on my CV, linked at the bottom, together with some other stuff (personal website/blog, bitbucket, portfolio etc)
>>37000168
Good to know, I'll be sure to get started then.
Thanks for the replies!
>>37000213
GL
Don't forget to lift
>>37000228
Never.
We're all gonna make it
>>37000144
nice
>>36995555
>Software engineer major
>Being a swole smart tall guy is the best.
>Software engineer
>smart
kek
>>37000228
I want into comp sci too can you give me some tips to get started?
>>37000515
what's your background, where are you now
>>37000168
Where do you live Anon? Have any more tips? I've got a BS in Marketing, but I'm taking a full-stack web development bootcamp. How could I sell myself and get some kind of web dev internship? I'd like to try to get some kind of experience while I'm still doing my bootcamp.
>>37000548
Im a sophomore in dietetics, redpilled to death that nutrition is a fucking mess of a science.
Ive had applied maths so i know a bit of matrixes, integrals and differential calc, but that was a year ago, kinda forgot it now.
Cs looks to be much better than nutrition in the long run and i like computers / coding so why not.
>>37000549
I've been moving around between Germany, Norway and Sweden the past few years.
Having a B.Sc. in marketing is nice. You can (and should) market yourself as "also being able to deal with customers" or "being able to help with the marketing perspective" etc.
I'm much more on the technical end of things (I do numerical analysis, DIP/signal processing, data analysis/visualization/statistics and such), so I don't genuinely know what the situation is like for people in your area, but most every single startup I've worked for really was in dire need of more and better marketing. So I would think that makes you pretty valuable, and you should probably flaunt that.
Other than that, I can only really give the generic kind of advice I already gave here >>37000168 -- do projects, contribute to other projects. It's how I got into things, and most everyone I know who's working with programming or IT in general got into it that way.
I have the feeling that web in particular has a lot of technology churnover, with tons of new frameworks and fads emerging and fading all the time. It may be wise to spend some time to figure out what kind of core-technologies you want to invest your time into. Popular languages, popular frameworks, popular databases, etc
Being able to put the newest buzzwords on your cv is nice and will probably increase your chances to get a job with the (clueless) HR people, but I think the real time-investment should happen into lasting tech that will stick around for a long time. That kind of investment will be valuable even a long time from now, and is really the main thing that matters once you got past the HR people and into an interview with the tech lead or whatever (e.g. me.)
For web, that might be stuff like knowing pgsql and other popular SQL dbs, knowing the popular JS frameworks, that kind of stuff. Again though, while I have done some web stuff, it's not really what I know most about, so you'll have to do a bit of research on your own.
>>37000655
Sounds good, if you already have some applied maths, that'll put you substantially ahead of many other programmers. As mentioned before, start to do projects, your own is easiest at first, IMO, then start contributing to others. Cultivate your github. You'll probably find a bit of a niche you enjoy sooner or later, then work towards mastering it and market yourself as that.
A CS degree can be worth a lot, but it is not required if you can prove otherwise that you're a hotshot. Can't make a for/against recommendation, as it depends on in which country you are. If education is free in your country, I'd probably say "go for it", unless you're in a fucking hurry to start making money, even at a lower entry-level.
>>37000774
oh, and if you care about making money, steer your interests towards things that are in-demand and lucrative, like mobile app-dev, databases, webdev etc.
>>37000774
>>37000883
Appreciate your help
Im not really in a hurry to make money, i just want to make sure what i pick is best for the future. Education here is not free, but its not retarded expensive like in the States. I pay around 1070€ per year.
>>37000168
While we're talking about the job market...
I'll graduate with an M.Sc in physics (with B.Sc engineering physics) this year. I've won international math competitions for high-schoolers and later for college undergrads, which are nice to have in my CV to demonstrate strong problem-solving skills.
I've been aiming for an academic career, but realistically I'll probably end up working in the private sector eventually. Most physicists tend to end up doing something computer related. The programming languages I have most experience with are Python/Fortran/C/Haskell & some Java (and Matlab, Mathematica & TI84-Basic if you count that), mostly driven by working on physics-related projects and numerics(i.e. making old 70s Fortran code faster).
None of it was in public open source projects though. Your mention of employers checking github contribution was interesting. Do you have any other general advice to impending graduates for generally being more employable, for the posters here who have a lot of math knowledge but not a lot of work/real world experience? What are good places to start out?
>>36999137
lmfao
it is by far the fastest growing sector
an IT/software department is almost requisite for all companies now, and that's only going to become more imperative
>>36998994
No joke, women have their hand held in CS degrees, by their group partners and TA's/professors, mostly because they're rare
then they get spattered with job offers upon graduation even if they're mediocre
>>36998962
Those aren't going to put food on the table, hun
>>37000168
If you have shitty grades and no work experience how fucked are you?
pls respond
>>37001265
Depends on the employer. Some might not even ask.
>>37001265
Grades mostly don't matter much as long as you 'pass.'
You'd have to tell us more about your situation on the no work experience one though. It's ok in IT but it's always good to contribute to projects or learn in your spare time.
Your school should have an intern program but if it doesn't you should try interning as a part time job. Just make sure you're actually learning from it and not just fetching people coffee. If you're lucky you'll get paid for it too.
>>37001138
> competitions
yeh.. no-one really cares about competitions except for people who have won competitions. Everyone else thinks they are just about memorizing a bunch of shit that isn't useful IRL (whether that's true or not...)
Academic career feels good, but won't make you the fat stacks. I almost went that route myself, but got tired of it after my M.Sc. (applied maths) and pulled out. Might come back for more later, who knows -- but working industry certainly has a lot of upsides, like being able to actually affect things that matter, making a lot of cash, getting a lot of respect, doing a lot of cool projects, etc.
industry feels like you're really moving shit with a lot of people who are really motivated. Academia isn't necessarily full of slackers or anything, but everyone is more doing their own thing. GL recruiting anyone for bigger projects.
> Python/Fortran/C/Haskell & some Java
python, C and java are gold-tier when it comes to job market attractiveness. Fortran is good if you're going into numerical/simulation. It's really the most used in meteorology, some places in physics, not really all that much anywhere else. Matlab is also good in many places. Mathematica is marginally useful. Haskell & basic are worthless-tier, they won't land you a job anytime soon.
> FOSS projects
Well, first thing I'd try is to milk the projects you've contributed to for all their worth. Try to convince the other copyright holders to FOSS the projects, so that you can put then on your GH.
Other than that, since you're already at that kind of level, I would look for really high-value projects to contribute to. Scientific stuff that really impresses people. Maybe something like GADGET if astronomy interests you, something like llvm/clang if compiler-stuff interests you, numpy/scipy, ...
If you can show that you've made valuable contributions to those kind of advanced projects, that'll *really* impress anyone considering you for an engineering position.
(cont.)
>>37001311
thanks
>>37001334
(cont.)
OTOH it is worth considering that numerical and engineering stuff is by far not as popular as things like database stuff, web stuff, mobile stuff etc, so even if you're good in that field, you do have to recognize that it is a bit more of a niche. Up to you to decide how you want to balance that with general IT/programming skills.
You could also try to find some sort of balance, stuff like hadoop or whatever that involves numbers & interesting statistics but is mainstream enough that it makes you attractive to just about anyone who is looking for general database/time-series/whatever stuff.
Also an option could be to go into gamedev, which -- for you -- would probably be easiest by means of working on physics engines and such. It's not the best-paying market though, and the work/life balance is worse than other places.
>>37001265
What the other people said. I've never personally asked for grades. As a programmer, your github account (or whatever else you prefer) is your grade certificate, at least as far as dealing with startups and medium-sized companies goes.
Larger companies will ask for them sometimes, tho, because they're desperate for means of filtering people. I've been asked for grade printouts by larger consulting companies, for instance, like 5000+ employee ones and such.
>>37001393
What should i do on github?
>>37001429
make a wild guess
>>37001429
Post boypussy
>>37001443
Code stuff, but what
>>37001552
Anything you're interested in and that is already on git, or start your own project
>>37001552
Any kind of hobby project you're doing
anything you're doing that might be useful to someone else
Also contribute to other peoples projects, report bugs etc (that stuff shows up on your GH profile as well)
Because I have no interest in coding. I have limited time on the planet, and a lot of it has to be devoted to work and study. Tbh lifting and cardio are just background training for my hobby of mma. I also write music for fun in my spare time. Coding's cool enough, just nothing draws me to it.
Oh, also, I got the woman I had sex with by talking to her about things. I assume that's how I'll land the next one too.
>>36995555
>software engineer
>getting girls
choose one faggot
>>37002174
>implying I want girls
>>37002174
> software engineer
> working out
> getting girls
I choose all three. Don't let a weak faggot tell you you cannot.
How can I become a software engineer with no experience? Codeacademy?
>>37002339
That's a start, but you might want to consider attending a university. Self-teaching is possible also, but it'll garner you less respect than an actual degree (and hence probably a lower starting salary), and you'll still need 2-3 years of fairly intense, disciplined self-study.
>>36994499
>every millenial somewhat into computers study compsci in college or systems analyst
>many jobs in it but far less than 90% of the millenials graduating from compsci or programming or whatever
>market becomes oversaturated as most company buildings need 2-3 guys per building and only for it tech support jobs to fix companys pcs when they break
>rest either starve, make a start up project on kickstarter and end up spending all the money, spend the rest of their lives doing jobs on fiverr, or be a select lucky few who get jobs as actual software devs/system analysts/etc and get paid a fuckton of money
>>36994425
Who is the girl?
>>36994480
I dunno man, CS degrees has a higher than national average projected job growth rate, go onto a job website like indeed and there are thousands and thousands of ads from all over the country. Plenty making big bucks. I saw one for someone with a CS degree, 0-2 years experience for 150k a year.
I guess it still has time to pop but the world is only relying more and more on computers.
I'm talking about CS not IT, IT will def become over saturated.
>>37002174
what is a brogrammer for 1337 dollars
>>37002339
If your self taught your going to have a tough time looking for your first job. Once you have a couple years experience no one gives a shit about your degree
>>37003093
Once the emperor is on the throne this will be even more true. The H1B visas are going to stop meaning you won't have to worry about the millions of Changs and Pajeets getting imported into the country to undercut your 'hi-tect' wages. This goes for all STEMfags.
Hail TRUMP!
Hail VICTORY!
Learning a programming language is easy and will be saturated with normies soon.
Normies don't have the patience or dedication to learn an East Asian language.
>>37003229
Chinese is definitely a great language to learn. Imagine knowing BOTH.
>>36994425
Green Is My Pepper
>>37003229
Learning a programming language is easy.
Learning everything you need to actually be a functional developer is not easy. At least, it takes a lot of time and curiosity which filters out 90% of the people who try to pick it up from Codeacademy or elsewhere.
Most people never get past the part where they know the basics but haven't applied that knowledge on a project or anything that would resemble production-level code.
lol check this out senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEfhUJvn5rM
BAMP
>>36999063
That's only FOUR 5s, homo
>>36999196
Autism
>coders
hah
Superior Data Engineer race, SQL and Lifting for the win.
