80kg
177cm
20 yrs old
2 weeks lifting
>>36967337
>2 weeks lifting
No reason to lie. You're already a manlet
>>36967356
i used to lift a year ago for 6 months
and a year before that for 6 months and prior to that i did calisthenics too and wrestling since im 16 but i got back after 1 year back 2 weeks ago
pic related 10 days ago
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>>36967421
75kg here
I started my cut a week ago, about to get into banana republic sugoi mode. Any comment will be welcome
Posted in last thread, 5'11, about 179lbs. Is it time to cut /fit/? Nearly beach season here but am gaining strength nicely so idk
>>36968151
This looks great, why would you cut?
4 months of serious lifting. How fucked up am I? 183cm / 80kg
How'd I do?
Should I keep cutting? Finally starting to feel the affects.
>>36967337
Looking pretty joocey for 2 weeks OP. Did you do any sports before lifting?
Also bodyweightfag here.
>>36968309
Never mind my question >>36967421 explains it.
>>36968221
You're not a manlet so you're good to go.
>>36968290
Amazing transformation m8.
>>36967337
posting cause why not.
>186cm
>80.5kgs
>18 y/o
how do?
>>36968200
Thanks m8, guess part of me would like to get cut up for the summer, but I'm progressing well strength-wise so idk
no one ever answers me and I kill all threads I post in
Could someone tell me what I should work on? I have gyno, so that's why my chest looks weird. Getting it removed in a month.
6'3 - 236 lbs -- Starting a cut.
>>36967337
6'0
205lbs
5'11"
196 lbs
>>36968392
I would't cut too much, itll make your chest gap look worse. Focus on gaining size in your shoulders triceps and back. Looks pretty solid though. Also make the star bigger just so it doesn't look too sad.
>>36968414
Trex mode
2 months into dieting and lifting. Down 12lbs already.
>This will be my before picture in 4 months
5'11
165 lbs
Current body this morning before workout. Not sure what I need to work on besides chest. Possibly shoulders? Just did shoulders and the post-pump made my shoulders look really swole and took attention off my dyel chest so I'm thinking I should go extra hard on them before summer.
>>36968047
Why would you cut? you are literally skinny already, keep bulking
>>36968392
that's gyno? but it doesn't even look like you got puffy nipples man
>>36968425
Is there anything I can do for my lower chest? More-so the crease part? Decline bench?
Usually when I shave my chest the middle line becomes apparent and it looks much better, but the bottom part never connects.
>>36968499
Dips
>>36968495
Just stepped out of the shower -- If you have gyno, you'd know that it contracts for a few minutes after getting "cold" -- There's still a big lump though and it definitely affects my chest aesthetics even when "hidden".
Can't wait to get surgery honestly. Fuark.
>>36968151
how long you been lifting? i am same height and 30lbs lighter
>>36968485
everything
>>36968329
Should I keep eating at maintenance or lean bulk more?
I am >>36968221
>>36968392
looking good
>>36968499
C H E S T G A P
>>36968499
It's pretty much all low body fat + Genetics. I've never been on a decline bench in my life. I just do Flat bench OHP and cable flies.
>>36968515
that's the plan, really. Just trying to get proportional at the size I am.
>>36968510
Have you done research? How long are you out of commission lifting wise?
>>36968514
Started two years ago but had shit diet and did stupid bro shit at gym, plus had periods off. Then since January I kept eye on diet, doing a solid routine and cut down on booze big time.
>>36968535
Yes I have. Should be a month out of it, which I am NOT looking forward to. However, being able to actually wear fitting shirts and being comfortable in my own skin is priceless.
You chest-normies have NO idea how debilitating gyno is. It's the anti-thesis of masculinity.
>>36968392
Gyno? Your chest looks fine to me
>>36968561
See
>>36968510
I would never take a picture of it "normal" and post it on here. It would like throwing a chicken breast in an alligator pit.
>>36968465
Looking forward to your after picture
>>36967337
Ohhh, man. You seriously have a rocking body. Dude. Those PECKS. Maannn, so perfect. One of the best bodies I've seen in a while. Just. WOW.
>>36968392
Fuck this makes me even more self conscious about my chest. If you have gyno I have to have it FUCK
>>36968570
Oh, my b.
6' 185
something like a 1350-1400ish gym total
Probably should cut down to 181 and do a meet. :-/
>>36968604
Breh, you'll KNOW you have it. It tingles when you lay on your back to sleep. Feel under your nips and feel for granules or weird glandular material. Also, you'll see your nips poke through your shirts, sweaters, etc.
I actually put facking liquid bandage on it when I go out so I can live normally. It helps a bit.
>>36968659
Unbelievable. Love it. Greek god status.
>>36968663
I have the lumps and the nipples and my chest is clearly visible in shirts. If it's cold I sorta look like I have a well developed chest in a tighter shirt but it's a lie. I fucking hate this. I never even thought about it until fit introduced me to it. Just assumed I had too high body fat but I started noticing fatter people than me with mostly flat chests. I'm afraid if I cut lower it will become even more noticeable or some shit and I can't afford surgery. I almost want to hop on gear cause fuck it I already got it and maybe if I'm big like you it'll be less noticeable. I also have somewhat wide hips so I just feel emasculated as fuck when I look in the mirror.
Cutting
6ft 203
Tryna get to 195.
>tfw taking a pic at an angle makes you look 10x better
>>36968730
You need to get down to around 180 to really be lean. I looked leaner than you at 205, same height.
>>36968549
how old are you...i also stopped drinking a lot
>>36968392
no one outside of fit knows what gyno is...i wouldn't worry about it
>>36968659
you look like that meme of the guy with the bikes and its something like friends dont let friends skip torso day
>>36968735
Yeah I'm aware. I started lifting at 235 as fatassfat and I've been cutting for about 4m/o so I wanna see what I look like at 195 because this shit sucks.
>>36968735
Nah, he'll be lean at 190. Then he'll be totally perfect.
>>36968752
It's funny because my best bench is 360 and my best front squat is only 375...like seriously wtf...
fucking quad genetics of peace
>>36968353
You post the same pic for the past three weeks. You making any gain senpai?
6'2
198 Ibs
>>36968716
Go consult with a doctor and say it HURTS and you cannot sleep and you always feel it. Exaggerate a lot and you might get it covered by insurance.
I feel your pain breh. How old are you? If you're young and going through puberty still, there might be some orals you can take.
5'9.5"
156 lbs
Been lifting long enough to know that no amount of muscle mass will ever hide my nipples.
>>36968846
So awesome. Congratulations on the amazing body. Seriously, I want that body.
>>36968847
I saw him and asked if he knew what it was. He said yeah, but my BF was too high to tell. I had blood work done and he said it was normal. I need to actually get a copy so I can see numbers. I'm 23. I used to be leaner so I'm not sure if I got it during puberty. I also from 17-20 was on various SSRis and doing drugs and 21-22 drinking a ton. So who knows. I don't have like a terrible case of it but I can't help but think how besides me looking dyel people also are like "nice tits"
>>36968876
Holy SHIT we found the nipplemonster
>>36968721
Too little mass to be cutting
>>36968730
>195
Make that 180 fatboy
>>36968949
>>36968290
Twins. Looking great
>>36968290
>>36968949
>>36969002
Holy shit we do look super similar.
>>36968876
lol. looking good man, keep it up. maybe hit delts and traps more, really tie that taper together
>>36968990
Technically it's my areolas.
>>36969047
H/w? You look strong as hell.
>>36968949
you ever get those lower abs to show?
>>36969032
do they feel good jw
>>36968499
Your chest is fine. Disregard the retard. He doesn't even realize what he's saying considering your shoulders and back are clearly not lacking and you have a normal chest gap.
>>36969051
194cm/6'4 114kg/252lbs
>>36968392
I regret putting gyno in my post because most of the replies were gyno-related minus one constructive post.
Can someone tell me what I should work on? I still feel like I should cut some because I want hercules-core.
>>36967337
Mirin' whole body. You have really good insertions for aesthetics.
>>36968290
Awesome transformation. You looked good fat in the first place, but now you have become CHAD. Mirin' v-taper.
>>36968309
Thisiswhatgirlslike.jpg -- Pretty impressive for bodyweight only. I would do a bro-split with high reps and you'll look even better.
>>36968406
Mirin' that core. I would say add some mass to your chest and traps and you're set.
>>36968414
Pretty good foundation. You look strong. Keep doing what you're doing and then do a bro-split and you'll be god-mode.
>>36968730
You have potential AF. Keep going on the cut.
>>36968846
mirin nips REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE -- Also looking stronk.
>>36968949
mirin nips, but also looking good. Keep doing what you're doing but try emphasizing more upper chest.
Now for some constructive criticism:
>>36968047
You aren't DYEL, but you aren't far above it. What kind of routine do you do? I find that a mix of heavy compounds in a rep range of 6-8 supplemented with high rep accessories really brings out the muscle. It seems like yours are dormant for now.
>>36968151
You look great. Only comment I would have is for you to hit chest more -- specifically upper chest.
>>36968221
You look fine for 4 months in. Don't expect miracle results, lifting should be a lifestyle. I think you should lean-bulk and keep lifting hard. In 6 months of consistency, you should have some impressive noob gains. What routine do you do?
>>36968353
Tough angle to judge. From what I see, you look good. Can't really give any advice because of the above.
>>36968465
Keep going. Don't mean to startle you, but that looks like gyno. Hopefully it's just fat.
>>36968485
Hit everything breh.
>>36968721
Keep lifting w/ leanblk
>>36968876
Lmao
>>36969163
Do strongman. Train your core like you would every other muscle group. Huge cores come from hypertrophy. Deadlifts, OHP, atlas stones, etc... Forearms could use work but they're 90% genetics. Also legs could be bigger.
Oh, and his name is Heracles.
>>36968406
Looking juicy bruh would suck duck no homo
>>36969263
Am I supposed to actually work out forearms directly?
I figured pull-ups, deadlifts, bicep work, etc already targeted them.
And I'm actually JUST now incorporating squats and deads into my lifting schedule as I tore my ACL. It's been a month or so since I started and I can squat 2 plates for reps and I deadlift close to 3. This is probably pathetic for a guy my size since I see a lot of you guys on here pulling far more while weighing way less than me.
>>36968838
i took this picture 2 days ago so i find that hard to believe senpai.
>>36969304
I have knee problems that hold me back in the gym too(bench 330lbs squat 350lbs) so I know what that's like.
Yes, do separate forearm work. You can also just do all your deadlifts with a double overhand grip as well. Get an adjustable grip trainer too and treat the muscles like you would a normal muscle. I have shitty forearms but really you can only do the best you can.
Nobody understands how much of a handicap joint injuries are in the lifting game, so don't worry about it. Deadlifts are definitely better for your knees than squats are as there is a lower range of motion preventing joint deviation due to ACL instability. I use machines and deadlifts while squatting very lightly to get around my knee issues, although my knees aren't improving so I'm about ready to just say fuck it and just train like I used to.
>>36968876
Holy shit, I thought I had huge nipples. Thanks for the confidence boost
>>36968876
holy shit those pepperonis, bro
>>36969002
Tfw i feel too fat to bulk
guys have i escaped hungry skelly mode yet? i'm 5'10, 156lb
84Kg
186Cm
21Yrs old
4 months lifting.
I think my chest lags a bit, even though I have incorporated a chest day..
>>36967337
>>36967421
>>36968047
>>36968221
>>36968353
>>36968392
>>36968465
>>36968485
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>>36969672
>these are supposedly the same dullards who give advice on here
Why is that almost everyone on this board looks like they've been on GOMAD for two months,while claiming to have been lifting for 2 years at the same time
>>36969699
>Most people say they lift for just a few months
>Claim years
Stop projecting fatty
>>36969699
fuck off retard. These aren't necessarily people giving advice and you can always help people less knowledgeable than yourself. You don't have to huge and ripped to help someone
>>36968659
You look dyel.
>tfw body dysmorphia because I have baby skellington wrists and hands
>20 years old but get mistaken for 16 all the time even though i'm 6'0
>scared to post my progress on /fit/
70 kg
6'0
18
just started a body-strength routine. I hardly eat.
http://imgur.com/a/jxsTZ
>>36969962
Shave your pit hair. I mean I'm european but that is just nasty.
first time posting be gentle
6'1
225lbs
>>36970004
fair enough, will take on board. anything else?
Cut or maintenance? Pls rate
>>36970011
King Cobra/10
>>36968876
>>36969522
Almost there, eat more and lift heavy
Am I ottermode yet sempai ?
I wanna start bulking now :/
>>36970011
Clean the cum off your mirror mate.
>>36969699
Let's see your physique.
>>36970015
I want to cuddle your bellybutton
I hate natty lifting
I know this is more of a progress pic but do you think Lascek mode is achievable for me?
>>36970629
>Lascek mode is achievable for me?
Yes
fug, posted in the dead cbt
>>36967337
>CBT ( old one dead )
what is catalog
>>36970525
thanks?
>>36969051
>>36969101
>when your only replies are samefagging
>>36970120
this picture is very artisitcally framed
>>36970889
I've had people call my room and house a lot of things.Comfy,ghetto,but artistic is a first.
>>36970675
>Embed]
holy phuck
>5'9 167
>look smaller than people weighing less than me
>look smaller than people weighing the same but taller
suicide.jpg
>>36971372
5'9 is the perfect height, amigo. Right down the middle unless you're from Scandashit.
>>36969736
>>36969779
>>36970488
t. Fedora McFatty
>>36971860
I can feel your mediocrity from here brah
Here's me about 7months in (1 month ago). Pretty happy with my progress so far, looking and feeling better with each workout.
5'11" 185lbs
Progress from january 1st to curreny (4 months)
21yo/5'10"/178 lbs
>>36968392
I really don't think you have gyno. I read your replies but I really don't think it goes down that much. Now you have me paranoid about it too. Anyway in my opinion you should cut to get better definition. That will make you the most aesthetic. After that just keep working on what you're doing because you're pretty balanced.
>>36972723
Goal body
1,95m 88kg
Bulking
18 yo drinking every weekend training for a year
>>36972626
wtf is wrong with your ass? Are you wearing a diaper?
>>36968517
you should eat at maintenance
you're not fat but your bf% is kinda high
>>36972789
1440x2560
fuck off with that
Shitty angle mode
>>36968730
you need to cut more than 8lbs m8...
that said, great chest potential
>>36970565
you look good mate
You fags jelly of my gains
>>36972789
thanks dude
Advice? I've also been told I have nice shoulders, fuck my shitty hope though
pls b gentle
>>36968353
You are me 2 years ago. Nowadays all the muscle gone
>>36970032
Cut. What kind of fucking question is that?
>>36972789
Why do i look so soft?
>>36973665
because you don't have very much muscle
>>36973706
How much bf% do i have?
>>36972789
>>36970120
I think you can be used as a reference to what ottermode would look like, so yes
>>36973894
Really ? Ottermode is my goal,and it is Ning Zetao or Phelps that I am aiming for.They are what I thought ottermode is.Fuck those words gave me a huge confidence boost brah.
>>36967337
what does CBT means?
>>36973891
15?
just lift, being lower bf% won't help you look better nearly as much as building muscle will
>>36968047
>>36968290
>>36968406
>>36968414
>>36968721
>>36968876
>>36968949
>>36969047
>>36973375
I would cuddle you all.
N-No homo.
>>36973963
You want broad hips?
Allright allright.
I have been cutting and am relatively lean measured at 11% by physician.
I usually see good abs but I just had a massive refeed meal right before this pic.
>182cm
>78kgs
The football head is just perspective, the small pecs however...
>>36974209
ur not 11 tho, more like 13-14
>>36974241
reconsider your statement
>>36974386
great lighting gains mayne
>>36968151
That's a beautiful body.
You can cut if you want, but you're already enough to make any girl/faggot dizzy.
>>36974411
it's the exact same spot and lamp as before.
I give up.
>>36974209
>11% by physician.
lol
>>36974386
still not 11
Babbys first cut. 4 weeks in, down almost 5 lbs. Sorry for the douchey pose
5'11, 180
>>36974592
more like 20 right?
>>36970675
Lol, usually I don't recognize manlets but you must be really short
Your upper body is great but the legs are literal stumps, sorry m8
>>36972905
Lol, put on some mass, this is DYEL mode if I ever saw it
>>36970120
KANGZ
>>36974592
>>36974610
>>36974565
Yeah yeah, I'd still rather trust someone who deals with atheletes on the daily. I guess a caliper isn't the most accurate.
Welp, just focus on what looks good in the mirror instead of numbers.
>>36974652
Kek yeah I tan like a motherfucker and this is a special time since I did not stop going to the beach in the winter.
My point is,no niggers here.
23 yo
175lb (up from 145)
5'10"
1 1/2 years lifting
>>36971860
No pic as usual. Go away hungry skeleton.
>>36970884
>"why did nobody reply to my pic but replied to THIS fat pig?!?!"
Maybe lift a weight?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCla7W6lNMK
most current picture I have. Haven't done a full body one in months.
>>36972693
You don't have fucking gyno you're just fat. Fuck.
22
95kg
???
almost 4 years lifting
>>36975460
YOU EXIST!!!!!!!
>>36975482
>almost 4 years lifting
Tren hard, eat clen and anavar give up.
>>36973312
Help
>>36975502
his body is achievable natty you foo
>>36975538
Just because it is doesn't mean he is.
He's reasonably lean yet has a puffy face. Probably roids.
>>36973312
>>36975524
Train for longer than 2 months. Stop being a bitch in the gym and push yourself.
What are your lifts?
>>36973312
>een told I have nice shoulders, fuck my shitty hope though
Advice on what? My advice is to actually lift weights as you look completely DYEL at the moment. And how am I suppose to give you feedback on your shoulders with that pose? Literally can't see your shoulders in that picture.
>>36975460
How do you stay so lean while eating all that garbage? I can train my ass off daily for 3-4 hours sweating about 4 litres of pure sodium and still not eat that shit without gaining weight?
>>36975463
I'm not fat though. People always make comments about my nipples when I post.
Is this gyno?
~80kg, 5'11". just lifted 3x5 170lbs back squat.
>>36975736
Oh shit, yeah it's gyno but it's minor so nobody other than homosexuals on this board that complain at the slightest flaw actually give a fuck. Girls especially since they don't know shit about muscles other than they find them sexy.
>>36975736
as a medical doctor i can say that doesnt look like a gyno.
but i cant be sure without palpating
>>36975740
Was that your first time lifting weights too?
>>36975752
I know but friends in real life also said I have big weird nipples last time I had my shirt off and everyone on fit comments about it. But fit is fucking obsessed with gyno and calls it on everyone whether they have it or not.
>>36975681
Because I still manage to eat at maintenance calories. Food composition isn't as important as the overall calories.
Nah Jk must be nigger genetics
>>36975776
The girls are going to care more about how insecure you are over something nobody actually fucking cares about.
>>36967337
>5'10
>155
Trying to otter for summer
>>36975788
Unless those are your only meals for the day, there's no way you're eating at maintenance unless maintenance for you is like 4k calories.
Maybe I just have fat woman slow metabolism genetics.
>>36975736
Brah just be glad you ain't got gigantic areolas like me
>>36968876
>>36969030
Thanks brah.
Can I get a big estimate? And any recommendations for shoulder exercises that isn't OHP/Side raises/front raises/fave pulls? Cuz that's all I've been doing and my shoulders still stuck, really the worst part of my body.
>>36975801
> unless maintenance for you is like 4k calories.
It most likely is considering I do physical labor 30 hours a week plus train at least 8+ hours a week at a near elite level.
>>36975869
Actually, I take that back. I need more years to be elite. I'm advanced at least.
>>36975823
Meant bf estimate not big estimate.
Am i allowed here?
88kg
174cm
28yo
BP 115kg
DL 120kg(spine issues)
SQUATS 100kg(spine issues)
>>36967421
hahahahhhaha
>>36967421
>did calisthenics
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>>36976662
you're fat for a girl
>>36976662
do spine issues prevent you from running as well?
>>36967421
>i used to lift
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>>36972928
No but I did have my squat plug in
>>36977165
You're thicc gurl
>>36977304
>ive seen that dick before
>>36977330
of course you did you slut
you've seen a lot of dick in your days
>>36974693
you're ~13% and your legs are absolutely pathetic
5" 11, 165lbs when second pic was taken. Up from 145 skinny fat. Currently cutting, 1 year and 4 months lifting.
5'10
170lbs
18yo
Never lifted just general fitness from sports, people say it looks like I lift.
Should I start lifting/eating well? Do I have the potential? What to work on first?
>>36977757
Back
5'8", 220lbs. Can't tell if moderately builtfat or just fat.
What looks good? What should I do to fix what looks like shit?
>>36978542
whats the tatt?
>>36978542
You look kind of short
>>36974386
As someone who was a sub 10 bfer, I must say you are not 11
>>36978542
lose the gay fucking tattoo and stupid fucking earrings
>>36978542
>what looks good
abs
>what needs fixing
Literally everything else
>how do i fix
by actually lifting
>>36978557
Norse compass with a sun behind it. My whole family got different suns.
>>36967421
Gods.
>>36978610
You just don't appreciate style. This isn't Fa you fascist kike.
>>36978630
that's mad, should post a better pic of it
>>36978630
you dont even look northern european
>>36978651
>appreciate style
yeah no. earrings have never looked good on anyone but Prince, may his soul rest in peace.
>>36978657
Thanks dude! I'll make sure to get a closer shot on the next cbt that I participate in.
>>36978610
hahaha dude.
>>36978620
>36978542
Trueee. But I was hoping for like, useful advice. Like what needs the most improvement.
>tfw no matter how much i try i can't into bruce lee's mode
>>36978846
your upper body looks like it was replaced with a white stingray
newfit here what is cutting
>>36978846
Miring lats.
AND NICE STRETCHMARKS! HAHAHAHAH!
jk
>>36978846
post back
>>36978846
whats your lat routine faggot
>>36978846
good christ
>>36968465
godspeed brah
>>36978855
thanks i guess?
>>36978901
thanks, i don't know how how they got there or how to remove them
>>36978952
i used to do about 300 to 500 pullups variations 3x a week for my pull movements but now i'm just doing about 200/250 with harder progressions and weighted(5x8 with 35kg), never went to a gym tho
>>36978938
i never take pictures, that is one exeption, but i usually record myself to check i'm having good form, this is a part of the video
>>36972613
congrats! whats it you want to remember?
>>36978876
cutting fat
>>36967421
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Top kek
>>36979047
post more
![tumblr_inline_o5u8pjiS8U1qde20s_540[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IHflREc.jpg "tumblr_inline_o5u8pjiS8U1qde20s_540[1].jpg")
>>36967421
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BASED
>>36969699
fuark I'm
>>36968392
I didn't know I was such a fat fuark. Going to cut hardcore now.
Only been lifting for two months, I really need to work on my chest, looks better than me being a tiny fucker.
What mode do you guys think I'm near, I'm still bulkin desu
>>36980207
Also
5"9
162 lbs
Stats:
6'1
227lbs (103kgs)
Completely natty
Lifts:
400lb Deadlift/10 reps
310lb Squat/8 reps
>>36968730
My shit looks 10 time better on an angle
6ft 78.5kg , am I still DYEL?
>>36980260
>Completely natty
nobody doubted that
>>36980260
Bruh, cut.
>>36967337
This was the other day after my new ink. Been lifting for 7 months. Doing SS only
Feelin pretty good brehs
>>36980426
Nothin that 3 weeks of crossfit couldnt fix
5'6 156lbs am I going to make it?
>>36980475
>5'6
nah.
>>36975325
finally some real progress up in this bitch
great work dude
>>36968876
did you tattoo your nipples??
>>36980475
if you start taking gh there might be a chance
godspeed senpai i'm only 5'7 but maybe you can make a life for yourself
>>36975757
As a guy with real gyno diagnosed by ultrasounds I can say that it looks like gyno. Looks exactly like mine.
5'9 230lbs
Been lifting for 2 months. Weight hasn't budged but I can lift more than I could when I started.
I hope my hair is just weird and that's not a bald spot forming.
>>36977165
no, why?
>>36980983
>5'9 230lbs
digusting
>>36980475
>5'6 156lbs
when u filter x F and still look like shit
>>36980260
>227lbs
>310lb Squat/8 reps
is this a joke?
>>36978846
mirin 0 core mode
>>36970675
Your armpit looks shredded
>>36981436
>Your armpit looks shredded
>>36981436
>armpit
breh, i got u
Can't do squats or deads due to slipped disc, sucks.
5'11
136 lbs skelemode
>>36981539
how did you slip a disk
