I need you advice /fit/.
I used to weight 286 lbs (130kg) a year ago,i started working out hard and eat right, right now i weight 216 lbs (98kg).
I started lifting about 6 months ago, i can honestly see results in my arms, legs and back.
well desu i can see progress everywhere except my chest.
I do 2 chest days a week, Bench press, fly, dumbbell press, push ups, cables, butterfly, i do every fucking possible chest workout that exists.
But i can't see any fucking progress!
I got sick of my bitch titties and went to a doctor to check for Gynecomastia, the results came back negative, it's not gyno, it's just fat, i don't know what else to do, i run 4.6 miles (7.5km) 3 days a week, i lift everyday i don't do cardio, good progress overall, 0 chest progress.
Arms progress, for example.
>>36932355
The only option is to lose more bf.
Cut more, your lifts will stall a bit, but the extra fat will go in time.
You can try yohimbine to liberate fat that you just can't shift
>>36932426
I'll give it a look, my trainer recommend me Limpo 6, it's the same thing right?
>>36932355
bump
>>36932426
kekkerino
>>36932355
Bulk back up and don't do all that bullshit, just stick to heavy bench, pressing and maybe incline bench/flies
as you lost weight, did your dick got longer ?
>>36932669
Nope, but at least i can see it now
You look like me at some point in my history. So i will tell you the only way to get your body fixed:
Cut down! I dont know how tall you are, but try to get to 75-80 kg if you are around 180cm. Get your bodyfat really low, and then slowly build muscle.
Dont try recomposition at your actual weight, dont go for a bulk. Just keep cutting, you will need to lose a lot of weight until those tits are gone. I am 183 and my fat tits started to disappear at around 85-80 kg.
>>36932669
mine did when I hit 185lbs from 264, I didn;t see that start to happen until I got to 195
I must have had 2" of pubic fat that was the last to shift
>>36932648
Are you fucking sick in the head. You're telling this blob of mass and tissue to bulk up?
Tell him to do GOMAD while you're at it
>>36933010
His problem is that he has no muslce and is small and weak.
You need to keep doing what you are doing. Iknow you've put in some amazing work already but you're not done yet.
>>36932355
Bump
>>36933015
You do not tell a guy with OP's body fat to start bulking up. Gaining even more fat at this stage will fuck him up long term
>>36932355
>>36932366
congrats on the weight loss but thats pretty shit muscle mass for one year of work.
can you elaborate further?
Do you have strength gains, but no mass gains or don't you have both?
>>36932355
Chest and gut are the hardest to lose, because that's where the majority of the fat congregates. Need to lose more bf and increase your intensity when working those areas. Also jesus bruh, what a hair spread. Shave that down for a bit for aesthetics.
>>36933037
I don't see why he would want to be a skinnyfat skele twink, that's all that will happen if he cuts.
FUCK MUSCLE GAIN AT THIS STAGE.
Youre simply working out to preserve the small amount of muscle you have. Cut down the fat and then start building muscle! I know it sucks to not make progress on the big lifts, but you have to complete your fatlossjourney before you can start packing on muscle. Trying to gain muscle now will only make you bounce between bulking and cutting in shitty BF country (18-28%) forever.
Do it right, cut down to 10%, bulk up slowly to 16%, cut down again, bulk up again...
Read that: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/initial-body-fat-and-body-composition-changes.html/
>>36933145
And if he bulks he will become a repugnant amalgamation of fat and muscle. As a general rule, you should not cut unless you're at 12% range. If he bulks further he'll have to spend a LONG time cutting. You're giving him shit advice, all because of vain appearances. Don't let the /fit/ memes and shortsighted ambition factor into the goals for your body
>>36933145
Not him, but a skinnyfat skeleton twink is the liquid between a landwhale's gas and a zeusmode's solid. He needs to focus on losing body fat first and foremost.
Also he can't do sublimation and shit, we're talking water style, not CO2. He'd bloat up like hell if he bulked right now.
>>36933205
you should not bulk*
>>36933138
I can deadlift 100kg x 10
also Bench 60kg x 10
>>36932355
jesus senpai-san wtf is up with your mantits thats def gyno.
I'm way fatter than you are and I don't have tits anywhere near those.
Listen to everyone that tells you not to bulk. You probably have more muscle mass than what you let on, but you still wont know it if you don't cut to a certain degree. My advice is to drop to at around 180, and gauge from there. That way, you'll at least be able to tell without having all that fat clouding your progress.
Also, you might be overtaxing your body. Have a couple of rest days for recovery. In the mean time, post your routine on weekly basis.
>>36932852
>>36933190
Ok ok i get what you are saying, but how should i do it? should i stop my 4 days lifting routine and go back to cardio 6 days a week?
If let's say i still wanna lift (i enjoy it a lot), should i lift less weight and more reps or more weight less reps?
What about the little gains i had, should i just let them go and keep losing fat or is it possible to keep them somehow?
Waiting for answers, i'll read the link you gave me in the meanwhile.
>>36933365
It's not gyno, I think. His fat depots are just very inconvenient. Gyno brings with it puffy nipples produced by the lumps under. This, OP does not have
>>36933365
That's exactly what i told my doctor, i see people at the beach, at the gym, at the pool, fucking landwhale man, and 90% of them have much smaller chest than me, how the fuck does someone who weight 20-30kg more than me has smaller chest fat?
Basically he said what this anon did
>>36933386
He was 100% sure of it.
>>36933453
You probably have high estro, men really only store fat in the gut and waist.
>>36932852
Can you show me before \ after pics?
>>36933472
I used to be vegan (4-5 years ago) and ate a lot of soy, how do i get rid of estrogen?
>>36933472
And the fat % isn't really helping in this regard. More fat brings with it less Test, generally. OP, if there is one thing you should take from this thread, it's to cut further.
You'll feel liberated when you're low %, I promise you
>>36933547
And please don't neglect cardio. It expedites the process immensely
>>36933545
Don't eat carbs.
>>36933545
Lose the fat, do cardio coupled with lifting. Eat healthy fats like nuts, oil etc. Stay away from shit food. Eat a good load of ginger or grind it into tea, as recent studies have shown it can improve your test by large amounts
>>36933380
Keep lifting, just accept that you wont have big gains in strength and muscle size and dont make that your priority yet. Just continue your cut, it worked well until now.
>>36933545
>>36933607
And jesus fuck, just hop on steroids and don't be a fool about it. Do your research, take your PCP and regular visits to the doctor
>>36933639
Dude seriously? roids? look at me.
>>36933607
Holy shit it's actually true, i found 3 studies that confirms it, i'll buy ginger today.
>>36933793
Even more reason to hop on roids, anon
>>36933453
> This is what being vegan gets you
literally. why.
>>36932355
If you decide to bulk...
PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
If you go too hard, you will balloon back. I guarantee it.
>>36933906
Well you know, i was young and misinformed...
WAS.
>>36933876
I wish /fraud/ general would actually explain how to do it properly instead of trolling and post shitty maymays
>>36932355
extra skin dude. from being so fat
>>36933084
Op said hes only lifted for 6 months
>>36932355
loose skin will prevent your from being an aesthetic fuckboi, all those sikk kantzzz are built from skelly mode, rarely do former fats have the same chance
seriously, find new reasons to lift for or prepare for disappointment
get strong, strengthen your mind/financial situation, take up a hobby or sport that being fit/strong/endurance/health complements like boxing/wrestling/judo/MT or something and having a fuckboi body doesnt help in.
>>36935255
loose skin goes away by itself after cutting bodyfat% low enough and when filling out a bit with muscles, unless you were morbidly obese and/or you are trying to cut extremely fast.
I was at almost the same starting weight as the OP (120-125kg), and I have no loose skin now.
>>36935561
Pic
Eat at maintenance and start doing the exercises right. You're probably hitting tric and shoulders more than chest cause you don't know how to connect with your muscle groups.
Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll get it. I'll give you 2 years alone, 8 month with a partner who knows his shit.
Good luck OP.
>>36932810
Kek
>>36935561
Pic
>>36932355
eat less.
>>36933607
I just bought a lot of ginger, how should i drink it? just cut it and put it in hot water or boil the water with it?
>>36937166
Don't let the post die, I want to know too
>>36933205
You're full of shit and don't know what you're talking about. If he cuts to skeleton first he's gonna waste time he could be gaining muscle and it's gonna take twice as long. Why cut just to bulk just to cut again? Not everyone wants to look frail and thin.
>>36937603
I'm 1.75 m(68.898 inches) and 90kg (198,416 lbs) , how much weight should I lose to start bulking?
>>36937540
It will die soon anon, and there's nothing we can do about it.
>>36937752
This
Please shave for the love of god.
You look like a fucking summer school rabbi.
>>36938797
oy vey
>>36932355
Are you me?
>>36939276
Fuck off my boobs are bigger than yours, pleb.
>>36939343
Rofl
I have the same exact tits
Everything gets flatter except my chest
>>36935561
even if you're right, he's gonna be all stretch marked up. The only people that get away from being a fatty unscathed are those people that are naturally stocky as fuck to begin with.
>>36939829
my stretchmarks have become pretty much invisible. But it depends on how overweight you were, of course.
>>36939788
I cut down to 175 from 290 at 6'3" btw
They were no smaller, lifting is slightly helping
I'm back at 190 and just going for strength at this point
>>36939898
I NEED PICS, LIKE, NOW.
>>36935994
>>36935727
>>36939829
So much effort, but fine, here you go.
6 months ago, I was ~120kg (264lb), now down to 81kg (178lb). Swimming + cutting, have also started serious resistance training 3x a week, four weeks ago.
Stomach in neutral position, not puffing out the chest or sucking in the stomach here.
The stretchmarks are not entirely invisible, but under most lighting conditions you cannot really see them, or they are very faint. Used to be bright red. In diffuse outdoors lighting, they are totally invisible.
Hips are naturally wide, but there's still a bit of fat on them (I always got fat around the hips first, more than anything). I don't have my bodyfat caliper yet, but I'll probably try to go below 20% or so and stay there, which will probably mean dropping another 5kg or so.
> inb4 skinnyfat/hungry skeleton/etc
yeah yeah, working on it.
>>36932355
put the necklace back on ffs melisandre
Check it. You're running a lot. Most guys start to lose muscle mass in their chest and shoulders when they do a lot of cardio. 12 miles a week is quite a bit. If you don't want to quit running you're gonna need to eat more food. Can't build muscle on a caloric and macro deficit. So, eat more quality foods. Run less. Be patient, and do some manscaping. That alone will do wonders for your self image.
>>36932355
Your tits are wierd breh.
>>36940632
>>36932355
flat/incline bench press
more weight
>>36932355
desu anon I think your body hair might make it look worse than what it is.
