Is 1pl8 overhead press the natty limit?
Obviously not, unless you're suggesting that kid is on gear
>>36909639
Nah I OHP 1pl8 at 5'10 175lbs, wasn't even close to natty limit
The natty limit does not exist.
I OHPed 150 (lbs) last week at 5'8 160. Natty too
>>36909806
Pretty impressive m8, 5x5 right?
>>36909639
christ no, i can strict press 65kg at 6'0 85kg and i've never even done a proper bulk (lifting a year but i fucked around a lot) so that's mostly CNS gains
No lol, I'm almost 1plate 3x5 after a few months of lifting
i'm natty and i can 1rm 155 ohp, but it hasn't gotten any better in months
Nah m8 I just hit a 1pl8 press for two reps and I'm DYEL as fuck
>>36909639
No, 155 3x5 atm
>>36909933
>almost
Have fun being stuck at 125lb ohp for 3 months faggot
What do you guys think the natty limit is then? Can you do more than 1.25x bodyweight OHP natty?
>>36909973
yeah well the jokes on you because i'm on 126lbs
>>36909657
doesn't count since it's not an olympic barbell + he might have used a push press technique
>>36910191
How did you hit that 1 ibs so fast?
>>36909973
How do you plateau that long?
I am at 145x5 and I can't say I plateau'd much at all around 125
Just did 125x5 then 135x3 the next session, then 130x5.
T.Literally a NYR who has only had a barbell since January (h-home ""gym"" master race)
Not Op but I'm stalling on OHP. No matter what I do I can't move up.
I've increased food intake, dropped weight, increased reps, but nothing is working pls halp
>>36910214
>drop weight add reps
How would increasing strength endurance help?
Are you retarded?
Do your 3rm, and superset it with push press
Or just do push press.
Or just work with your 3rm.
Replace volume with intensity.
>>36910249
Also you can do light push press, and keep the eccentric part of the lift strict, basically like doing negatives of a higher weight
If you're plateauing, do 8x2 to get through it. I've done it on two occasions. Now I'm stuck at 100kg while cutting.
>>36910268
..eight sets?
How long do you rest between sets?
Do I just need to spend all day at the gym?
>>36910293
Are you joking? I do at least 10 sets on flat bench before I do incline and close grip..
165x5 last week, personal pr
Hoping for 185 by the end of the year, but progress is slow af on bench
>>36910204
I'm from the UK. We have our plates in kg, so 57.5kg = 126.5lbs; 125 lbs = 56.7
>>36910311
>you joking me brah?
No, because literally every source that isn't directed at roid users recommends 2-4 sets per exercise, and 3-8 min rest between sets.
On a 2rm I am resting close to 10 mins usually, so that is over an hour of resting to do 8x2
>>36910204
He's probably roiding
>>36910345
Your bench is weak, and we aren't talking about benching, fgt
>>36910378
Meant ohp not sure why I wrote bench
>context
>>36910357
Again pls tell me you're not this retarded.
Rest is 1min for hypertrophy for nattys and 3min for 5s and trips. Maybe 5mins tops for doubles but that's pushing it.
Also yeah 2-4 working sets, not counting warm-ups. I do 4 workings sets, 3 warms and some paused or hypertrophy after for my main lifts. It's literally the 5/3/1 program.
>tfw stalling on 105lb 3x5
>>36910423
>rest times affect hypertrophy response
Nice broscience memes.
That shit has been thoroughly debunked
What it Does do is make you unable to lift heavy weig, because you aren't recovered, so you do less total volume (thus getting less hypertrophy)
I can dig up citations if you want
Why do 2 reps if it is not your 2rm? Makes no sense, pham
>>36910311
Nice bait. If you're doing anything under twenty sets per exercise, you're doing it wrong.
>>36910214
I will help you
Learn proper grip (read the starting strength ohp section, you can find pdfs), this allowed me to go up from 180 ohp to 225 over a week.
Do dumbell shoulder press the same day
Do 3 overhead /chest workouts a week
Get psyched as fuck for massive presses, do sets with only like 3 reps and do burnouts
And don't be afraid to not be super strict all the time, use the legs a bit when your not trying to asess how much you can strictly press, just always be pushing yourself at 100 percent
>>36910464
>why do 2 reps if it's not your 2rm
>what are doubles
Fuck, actually learn something about lifting before trying to correct people. You do rm's when do a fucking rm set, so when doing multiple sets at that weight. You should be working at 90-95% except when maxing.
>bioscience
No, long rest times between sets is broscience. They should only be long when you're rm'ing, fuckboy, with the greatest length during warm-ups before you start to get heavy so you don't waste energy.
>what is time under tension
Shorter rest times for hypertrophy sets is basic fucking science.
lol @ all the broscienc and e-statters in this thread
IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT TO POST A PHYSIQUE PICTURE WHEN CLAIMING LIFTING STATS
>>36910499
>only doing 20 sets per exercise
Do none of you wish to make it?
8 hours arm work out per exercise
CMON!!
LETS GET BIG, GODAMNIT!!
>>36910538
Yeah because 1 plate OHP is really impressive :)
>>36910516
doubles are useful for heavy lifts like deadlift and hip thrust, not babyweight presses
>>36910564
Doubles are useful for the every power and oly lift you shitdick.
>mfw stalling on 1 plate
>mfw stalled for more than 2 months
>mfw roid monkeys boast 3plate press
Life isn't fair senpaitachi, remind me again why I shouldn't juice
No but 2 pl8 is for most
>>36909765
DYEL?
I OHP 165 @ 5'7 165
>>36910592
No reason if you can afford it and know what you are doing.
>>36910612
Dyel? I ohp 225 @ 5'1 135 lbs
>>36910516
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21659889
Educate yourself
>>36910612
Lol weak fag 315 @ 5'8 160 reporting for booty duty
>>36910627
Dyel ? I ohp 315 @ 4'7 80 lbs
>>36910627
The difference is, I'm not e-statting
>>36910638
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095405
Also this.
If you fall for rest time broscience and memery, you are a tard.
Rest long enough to be stronk again
>>36910660
Nobody thought you were, manlet.
>>36910162
some people could probably get to 2x body weight if they worked hard enough
>>36910638
>>36910665
>33 and 13 as n
>recreationally strength-trained
Literally nothing in there validating your bullshit.
>>36910687
>someone 160lb pressing 320lb as a natty
>someone weighing 100lb pressing 200lb as a natty
>someone weighing 200lb pressing 400lb as a natty
...nah
>>36910612
>tfw you're same height and weight as me and 5 lbs ahead on press
its been steadily moving up though, so i should be at least matching you in 4 weeks :D
>>36909639
I managed a 176lb 1rm @ 200lb
Ended up dislocating my shoulder in an unrelated accident. Had to start progression from 145lb again.
New 1rm is 170lb.
>>36910699
The sample sizes are appropriate, jackass. Don't pretend to be better qualified at science than real scientists.
Large sample sizes are only required to even disparities in statistical significance.
If you can get sig figs from a low sample size, it is 100% kosher.
Also 100% of /fit/ users are recreational lifters
>>36910699
>>36910638
>>36910464
>>36910357
>>36910293
reading these posts have given me more autism than all the vaccines i've gotten in my life
>>36910750
We have only begun to scratch the surface.
Let us delve into the real autism of fighting over academic scrutiny of scientific literature.
Because shitposters on 4chan have higher standards than legitimate scientific publications..
>>36910706
now that you put numbers to it, i think you're right and i was mistaken. those numbers do seem relatively untenable
>>36909639
Not even close
>>36910744
The sample sizes are no where near appropriate. You can't validate anything with such a small sample. And these are run of the mill idiots they pulled, not people that actually train for strength and size like bodybuilders and oly lifters
>inb4 buh b-but they're on gear hurrr
>>36910744
>mfw someone else on /fit/ knows how to read a scientific journal article.
I love art's majors pretending to know science. They'll complain and ask about citations for the most basic scientific knowledge, then try whinge about it because of the date of the article and the sample size, and have no fucking clue what any of it means.
It's especially bad in vegan threads.
>>36909639
i ohp 145 for a 5x5, max is around 175 , pretty much my body weight at 5 '7
>>36910806
>strength-trained.
They were ss faggots just like us.
And when you complain about sample size, you only illustrate your inability to understand statistical significance.
Meanwhile you have zero evidence to support your bullshit broscience memes
my ultimate goal is 2plate
will probably be at 5'7" 180 lb Gimli mode when I hit it
>>36910777
>small n = small p
This is basic fucking knowledge when it comes to scientific studies.
>>36910744
Also unless you're monitoring their intake proportional to their bw and lean mass so it's even of across the board, it means nothing. Too many uncontrolled variables makes it have terrible validity.
>>36910831
>Meanwhile you have zero evidence to support your bullshit broscience memes
I feel this bears reiteration
Is exrx still the gold standard?
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/PressStandards.html
>>36910831
Who's a fucking SS faggot here? When you get outside of 1/2/3/4 do you think that basic average male bullshit continues to apply?
Sorry I can't bring up all my shit on my phone
>>36910890
Relax, I was just memeing with the ss part.
Don't take this shit so sinceriously, faggot
>>36910838
>anon shows you articles demonstrating your little hypertrophy over rest time theory is complete and utter shit
>N-no the articles don't have enough p-people
>A-and if was a real study t-they would monitor the diet of the 46 people involved, I-I'm sure that nullifies the fact that there was no statistical significance between the groups means that the diets weren't controlled properly!
>>36910960
>implying nutrition isn't 70% of lifting
How new are you? Dyel?
I've done that and I've been lifting like 5 months
>>36909639
65kg x 3 last friday and it felt smooth and good form wise. Going for x5 tomorrow and then 70kgx3 on Thursday.
Target is 2pl8 which I think is reasonable. I don't expect to get there fast, but i'm sure its doable.
>>36910980
Did you even read the article? They kept a food diary. An average of 12 of the subjects diaries saw they ate 2700kcal a day, approximately 150g of that in protein.
Do you even fucking read? I know for a fact you don't lift, thinking smaller rest times = hypertrophy.
>>36911231
Are you joking, bro?
You need at least 50 sets per exercise, resting only 15 seconds, meaning you lift 2lb per rep.
Making ALL KINDS OF GAINS!!
3x5 1pl8 after 3 months of SS
>tfw I don't even like the exercise
>tfw I love squatting but I totally suck at it
Why live?
>>36911231
>12 of 33
OK? Also eating that little means they're small af or eating maintenance so into the trash it goes.
Also see >>36910890 that I posted.
>>36910508
whats the advantage of doing dumbbel press on the same day? I've done this a few times and I find both lifts are worse because of the fatigue from the other
>>36910538
I OHP 135 5x5 but I've been stalking might do low rep heavy sets next never hit more than 155 for a single though. Pic for reference
>>36911372
Db should always be done second if you do that and it's not meant to be done heavily. It's an assistance lift.
>>36911445
thanks
>>36911440
CUT CUT CUT CUT
>>36911588
But I like food :( is 5,10 to short for hairless bear mode
>>36911352
>3month
>only 1pl8
What kind of hungry skellington are you? I lifted that much on my first attempt.
currently doing 80kg 3x8 after about 1 year of training. 1rm is 1pl8 + 2kg (I always add 1 kg every couple weeks).
Yes, anyone that says otherwise is e-statting
