Is there a guarantee for visible abs at a certain bf%? Or can the abs be so weak and puny that they might not be visible at all?
>can the abs be so weak and puny that they might not be visible at all?
yes
>>36815250
any idea how frequent this is? Or is basic chest training going to cut it?
>>36815268
if you are one of those skinny emo kid no matter how low your body fat it won't be visible
if you have a good bulk, it will look defined and separated at 12% bodyfat.
>>36815268
Post your body and we can tell, otherwise it's just worthless guessing.
>>36815280
well, first gotta get down from those pathetic 20.9% :P
>>36815268
>chest
>abs
Obviously not you idiot. Just train your abs directly on leg day.
>>36815224
im perma bulking hovering at like 14 percent body fat and i can see my upper abs..
>>36815293
if you are already on fit, which you are at 8% bodyfat yours would look good and defined better than tthe one on the pic
the OP pic has no bulk, just low body fat, so it looks defined but with no good separation
>>36815303
>hovering at like 24 percent body fat*
FTFY
>>36815303
>14% bf
>bulking
pick one.
you seriously should eat more.
eating more increases testosterone and hence muscle build up
>>36815268
>>36815336
Well, Auschwitz mode also breaks down muscle to nutrition...
>>36815293
Ditto hey. My goal is to get abs, I decided to get fit at 28% bodyfat and last time I was measured I was at like 20%. Just gotta break that barrier.
I'm a 18yo dyel, who started lifting and bulking at 4%bf about 6 months ago.
Currently on 8%bf, abs are only visible with very good lighting, and a bit of imagination. I don't train them at all though.
So yes, you gotta train them
>>36815421
Started at 4%
Bulked to 8%
No. No you didn't.
>>36815421
> bulking at 4%bf about 6 months ago.
>Currently on 8%bf
Yeah, OK.
>>36815421
>4% bf
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>>36815362
How long did it take? I started in January with 28.6 (100kg...) and I'm down to 20.9 (84.6kg) now
>>36815322
Lóooool faggot stop spewing bullshit.
>>36815303
Same as me senpai, I can see my upper abs just none of the bottom ones.
>>36815421
>4
>%
>>36815421
>Started lifting at 4% bf
>Bulking now at 8%
Okay I guess
>18
>Started six months ago
wait a minute something's wrong....
>>36815433
>>36815437
Major eating disorder, also after stomach condition for 5 years that made me hate food really bad.
So yeah, it's like nothing compared to you guys, but a big thing to me.
Also, competely irrelevant to OP's question, point being, that bf is no guarantee to seeing abs
>>36815453
Well here's the thing. I started...like two thirds of the way through last year on a bootcamp-style thing. I didn't take it very seriously, and I did it mostly because my gf did it. It was six weeks of one-hour sessions, six days a week, with a four-week break in between. As expected, the four-week break killed like 70% of the good I did because, as I said, I wasn't really taking it seriously. At the start of this year I decided to knuckle down for real and got a gym membership alongside the bootcamp.
I was 105kg/28% at the very start last year, and I'm 94kg/20-odd% now. It know that that's piss-poor losses considering how long I've been 'working out' for, but I don't really consider the start to be last year, more this year because that's when I decided to be serious about it.
>>36815421
>4%bf
>>36815421
>4%
>>36815501
Also, by 'very start' last year, I mean the start of me doing bootcamp, about August or so, not the start of the year in January.
>>36815421
>>36815488
You know how I'll know you're lying?
Because when I ask for a pic of your 8% BF, you won't be able to produce it.
P.S. Can we see a pic?
My bf% is above 15 and i can see my upper abs.
>>36815421
>>36815488
Post current body pic lying faggot
>>36815501
How'd it come to the 28% to begin with? Poor diet? No workout? I used to stuff myself with crisps and other snacks all the time and always eat processed meat. Now I eat normal meat (like, not sausage or chicken nuggets, but steak, chicken breast etc) and it's much more satiating.
>>36815549
>>36815590
Auschwitz mode ultimate.
Also, newbie to lifting, so why do you guys think I'm full of shit?
>>36815597
I'm 21 years old and I spent 20 years of that being a fat shit with no exercise and a poor diet. I refuse to place the blame at the feet of my family, because it was my choice, but they aren't healthy or fit either. So while I was living with them, especially growing up, I obviously ate what they ate, which, while not being fish and chips and pizza every night, certainly wouldn't be /fit/ approved.
>>36815623
That's not 8%.
Carry on and good luck, but quit exaggerating.
>>36815322
Fat "powerlifter" detected
>>36815623
try 14% kid
>>36815670
According to the BMI my doctor did, it's about 8,2% currently
So idk, trust a doctor, or an anon on an anime imageboard
>>36815623
you're not full of shit you're just clueless
>>36815322
Well if you start bulking at 10%, with a decent diet you'd be between 14 and 17% at the end of winter, atleast that's how my body works. On the other hand, my fat is jiggly and watery as fuck so i go from 15--->12% in around a month of cutting, but 12 to 8 can take me fucking months cause it's usually party season by then and alcohol is the biggest gains goblin there is.
>>36815730
Okay, and why, what's wrong?
>>36815739
You are.
>>36815224
they can be, but you can work abs too frequently to the point where they extend past your pecs and look weird as shit
do weighted ab work 1-2 times a week and then every other day do a body weight ab routine, i recommend kai greene's, and add planks for overall abdominal wall strength
i personally train abs every day because of martial arts stuff but there isn't much of a point in doing that if you're not expecting to get nailed in the guts soon
>>36815707
>According to my doctor
Fucking kek, yeah my bad you are definitely 8%
>>36815771
Thanks for explaining where I made my mistake so I can improve and not be an idiot you fucking faggot
>>36815707
8,2 = 82
retard kid. learn some math
You're In The Club And This Guy Slaps Your Girlfriend's Ass. What you gonna do?
>>36815790
Don't be a passive aggressive little cunt, google 4% bodyfat, look at the pictures and shut up.
>>36815840
Ask xir what xers pronouns are.
>>36815841
Googled it, looks about right.
Literally also go and google auschwitz, or anorexia, and then you might be able to see that there is another side to 4% body fat thank being extremely ripped, roided cunt
>>36815707
>BMI
BMI isn't reliable. Even your doctor will admit that. It's so arbitrary and doesn't account for weight distribution. Your doctor just didn't care about giving you an accurate measurement.
DEXA scans are the gold standard for measuring body fat. Look it up. Your doctor didn't measure shit. You're not 8%.
Once again, carry on and good luck, but quit exaggerating.
>>36815224
I'm 12% bf and have no abs, so yes.
>>36815893
Okay, thank you for being atleast abit helpful mate.
If not 8%, how much would you say?
>>36815322
I started low and i am bulking slowly... not trying to turn into a fucking fatass for no reason... id rather take longer to gain weight and stay leaner.
>>36815840
Tell him to go home and put away his bra that he left on the bed
>>36815917
Your build is not too different from mine, I'd say between 12% to 15%
>>36815943
Fair engough, thank you
>>36815707
Your doc estimated your BF by using BMI?
WTF
>>36815707
BMI isn't a measure of body-fat it's a measure of how heavy you are matched against how tall you are - if you think he said your BMI is 8.2, he most likely said it's 18.2 (which is what it looks like) that's a little underweight (18.5 is where "healthy" starts)
>>36816148
Okay, thank you for actually educating me, sorry for being an idiot, thanks kind /fit/izen
>>36816096
you can, the problem is your waist tends to hold way more constant than your weight. Even 10 lbs on most calculators will add 4% BF, but that's what most people cycle through in a day.
>>36815893
i got a DEXA scan a while ago and i highly recommend it if youve got the extra cash. i thought i was near 30% BF because i have no idea how to estimate it, but turned out i was 22%. it also weighs and gives BF% for each part of your body, shows your muscle imbalances, and if you get it done at a sports oriented clinic the technician will likely be able to give you tips on your form based on how out of whack your muscles are.
>>36815322
higher BF increases estrogen levels you stupid faggot
