Any former smokers here? Been smoking for 8 years and I'm starting to believe it's the main contributor to my shitty body
wow really
>>36812101
Well I was fat my whole life and body always looked like shit before I started smoking at 16. I went from 210 to 130 and still looked like shit, went 130 to 190 and back down to 170, always look like shit. Was only curious if anyone who was a former smoker had any physical improvements eventually after quitting.
I always knew smoking fucked you up but I was unsure how much it actually altered your body appearance
>>36812134
Smoking fucks you up big time mate.
Quit now before you cause any other permanent damage.
Smoked for 2 years and when I look back at pictures of myself I can't believe how unhealthy I looked.
It's been 2 years since I've quit and my skin has finally brightened back up and the lines on my face have filled back in because my body's started producing its own collagen again. Another 3 years and my lungs should be as healthy as a non-smoker's again.
Nope.
I've never smoked or drunk alcohol in my life and before I started lifting I was a skinnyfat piece of shit.
I've known plenty of people who binge drink and take shit loads of drugs and smoke packs of cigs and they look aesthetic as fuck.
Genetics > everything.
Smoking what?
>>36812227
your mom's ass
What about if you only smoke when you go out drinking? Like maybe once a month at the most or so I'll go out and either buy a pack for the night or scab some off my mates. Been doing this for about 3 years, never had an urge to smoke when sober it feels disgusting. I know if I ever felt I needed a smoke when not drunk then I'd stop altogether for good.
>>36812097
Holy crap that picture is so full of shit.
>The smoker is more stressed than the non-smoker. It's a myth that smoking calms you down.
>The alcoholic is more sober than the non-alcoholic. It's a myth that alcohol gets you drunk.
>The meth user has less energy than those that don't use. It's a myth that amphetamines stimulate you.
The entire reason people get addicted to smoking is due to its calming effects. Sure, you develop a dependence, and so being a habitual smoker is going to mean you're more stressed than you would have been, but that's only when you can't smoke and have gotten used to smoking <x> amount per days.
If you're someone who smokes a cigar a week then, yes, that cigar will definitely calm you down.
>>36812227
Cigarettes.
I'm so far gone, I don't think my body or mind can come back from all the abuse I've given it over the years. Cigarettes are my main last crutch...I wonder if switching to vaping would be any better or do anything at this point. I'm a 25 year old NEET shut-in with a mad receding hairline and unflattering grey skinnyfat body
>>36812241
I'm not so sure, when I smoked at first it was to help calm me down and deal with stress but after a couple months the smoking seemed to start amplifying my stress for some reason, which is partially why I quit.
Used to smoke for 5 years
ama
>>36812241
Nicotine, similar to caffeine, is a stimulant. Everything you just said is incorrect. Go fuck yourself
>>36812302
penis?
>>36812272
Does the same thing happen with weed?
I'm high about every day.
>>36812302
Well I've smoked for 8 years like I said, on average 1/3rd a pack a day. Besides physical effects, have you had any aesthetic changes?
>>36812339
fingers no longer look like shit and my skin's better
>>36812315
Nicotine is in it's own class, similar to how Salvia Divinorum can't be classified as solely a dissociative or a hallucinogenic.
Nicotine stimulates the adrenal glands AND dampens activity in the thalamus. The former gives you a kick of epinephrine while the latter prohibits cross-chatter between the two hemispheres of the brain via the corpus colosum. The former is a stimulating affect, while the latter is a sedative affect.
At extremely high quantities - 1 to 2 grams packed into a peace pipe - tobacco acts as a minor hallucinogenic.
>>36812335
ye ur still a degenerate
>>36812241
The "buzz" or "calming" effect is actually your neurons/receptors getting so overloaded with nicotine that they get overstimulated and shut down/die off. To compensate, they "up-regulate" to get more receptors close to the synapse. Once the neurons regain function, they suddenly have significantly more receptors than they had before/get stimulated much easier and fire more often = increasing daily stress. This affects both nicotine receptors and acetylcholine receptors because of muh biology and I don't want to get into explaining it all right now so go earn your uni degree like I did so you can fucking understand the world around you.
Just trust me senpai.
>>36812272
You just gotta be stylish about ya cigarettes mate.
Cant be all sad shit like that.
Enjoy them.
>>36812097
Started smoking at 14 and quit at 26. Smoked a pack a day on average. Quit cold turkey, wasn't that hard after the first week. Had one a year later just because I was abroad and they had a rare brand I really liked and couldn't get back at home. It didn't taste good and I felt like shit. Pretty much confirmed that I never want to smoke again.
From my own and friends experiences who have successfully quit this is the most important tip:
Don't set a goal of not having a single cigarette ever. Or rather don't give up after you can't resist having one. Many people fuck it up by thinking that they failed and start smoking again. If you have one after not smoking for two weeks - no big deal. Just keep going. You might slip again a month later when drunk, but don't give up. Eventually cigarettes will become disgusting to you and you won't do it again.
Also, be rational - cigarettes are a net loss. There is little or no upside (unless smoking room gossip is a must in your workplace) and a huge downside.
>>36812241
>calming effects
The only time ciggys calm you down is when you're craving for one. The net calm is still negative you mongoloid.
>>36812398
>Smoked a pack a day
See I never understood how people could do that, or maybe my body just is shit at handling nicotine because I could only ever smoke at most 3-5 cigs a day when I used to smoke.
>>36812398
This
Everyone who wants to stop smoking listen to this anon right here.
I still smoke a cigarette every few weeks or so becayse i enjoy it, but if i smoke more than 3, it disgusts me and i stop.
I dont want to stop, but just to merely cut it down to a luxury thing, like a good meal or a good bear - something you can have every once in a while.
>>36812493
its like gains - you have build it over time.
smokings a pack a day requires either insane boredom (something that enables you smoking) or iron lungs
>>36812398
This is actually really good advice.
This method can also be used for getting your diet on point as well. Many people fuck up their diet with 1 chocolate bar, then think they failed and say fuck it and go binge on 9000 calories and spend the next week eating shit all day.
>>36812398
Thanks anon, how old are you now and have you noticed any significant physical changes, appearance and healthwise?
>>36812573
I'm 29. My skin is better (still generally bad tho, currently on roaccutane). Fingers and nails aren't yellow, whiter teeth (had them cleaned as well), my clothes don't smell and I save more than 100€ a month (Eastern Europe, so cigarettes are relatively cheap).
What regular smokers don't realize before they quit is that they feel like shit literally all the time. The thing is that for a serious smoker the withdrawal is worse, so feeling like shit becomes normal because there is no comparison point. When I was smoker I started to understand it in situations where I couldn't smoke for a while (like being seriously ill for a few days, or having a stronger brand first thing in the morning). We all know how that first cigarette will fuck you up, but you get used to the haze and it becomes the new normal because withdrawal is/was worse.
>>36812699
>What regular smokers don't realize before they quit is that they feel like shit literally all the time. The thing is that for a serious smoker the withdrawal is worse, so feeling like shit becomes normal because there is no comparison point.
Can you elaborate a little? Do you feel like shit all the time because the damage from smoke fucked you up so much? Do you ever feel better? I figure at this point it would take at least a year if not more for my body to shrug off some of the damage and if I were transported 365 days into the future with no cigarettes I'd probably feel a lot different but, the gradual effect must make it seem like nothing has changed
You know, I get suspicious whenever "science" is saying that something is 100% good or bad. Very suspicious.
>>36812097
Stopped 2 months ago and I fucking miss it
Changed to snuff when I get unbearable cravings but damn I miss having it in my mouth. I guess fags made me a fag
>>36812134
>started at 16
>210 to 130
>still looked like shit
>always looked like shit
Do you think it couldve been because you were a fucking smoker?
>>36812097
My dad told me he used to smoke a lot throughout his youth but suddenly quit and went straight cold turkey because prices shot up.
Smoking is bad senpai. Gains come a lot harder since your body is black on the inside.
>starting to believe
Breh they tell you this shit in elementary school, how dense are you?
is there anything wrong with vaping though? besides the looking like a faggot part?
it's the only way i consume nicotine for health reasons.
>>36812855
>nicotine for health reasons.
Wat
>>36812788
>he has doubts whether acrolein, formaldehyde and benzopyrene are bad or good
haha go read fucker or go drink bleach it can't be 100% bad
>>36812860
i mean it would be much worse for my health if i consumed it by smoking cigarettes.
>>36812855
Nicotine itself is somewhat unhealthy.
Vastly less so than combining nicotine with everything else found in a standard cigarette, but still not the greatest idea from a health standpoint.
>>36812335
I mean, smoking anything will introduce carcinogens into your system and damage your lungs, but pot doesn't have the sheer amount of added chemicals cigarettes do.
>>36812511
Plebs. I've known people who during some phases of their lives smoked up to 5 packs a day.
It's worth mentionning I usually met them while they were in the hospital for metastatic lung cancer, stroke / heart attack, or COPD. Being breathless after walking 20 feet or having half of your body paralysed is less fun than it sounds.
Seriously guys, quit as soon as you're able to. Your 50-70 year old selves will thank me.
>>36812097
Inb4 zyzz, right?
>>36812493
I'm in a small construction crew with a few guys that'll go through about a pack during our shift alone. I don't know how they do it, especially on fucking roofing/concrete/drywall days.
>>36812775
Not the damage per se, it's just that smoking produces an unpleasant feeling. Try asking a non-smoker who has tried to smoke or do snus. It makes them feel sick and they can even throw up.
Smokers experience it differently because they build tolerance and the shitty feeling becomes normal for them. It's hard to notice for them because they smoke all the time, thus keeping a more or less constant level of shittyness. Non-smokers react differently because they have no resistance to it and they're not used to feeling like shit all the time. The only time a smoker feels something similar is usually with the morning cigarette. It will hit quite hard sometimes, but then the bad feeling goes down (but not away) and then you start maintaining your level during the entire day.
>>36812855
No good reason to vape imho. It might be less harmful than smoking, but I wouldn't bet on it. The chemicals are currently unregulated (correct me if I'm wrong) and made by chinamen who are happy to put poison into baby formula to save money. And even if the liquids look safe on paper, people don't take into account the reactions that happen on the coil while vaping the liquids. It can produce some nasty-nasty shit.
Overall I think that regular air is the healthiest thing to breathe. Use a straw or a pen if oral fixation is a problem.
>nicotine for health reasons.
That's just retarded.
>>36812097
Yeah I really regret smoking so early.
Probably missed out on tons of height gains.
>>36812834
Well even though I started smoking at 16, my diet was also horrible up until that point. I wasn't educated at all on food and would drink 4-5 sodas and eat as much food as I pleased up until around that age maybe 3000-4000 daily calories. Then I started smoking and moderating my calorie intake and by the time I was 19 I went from 210 to 130 in 3 years. Stayed around 130-140 until I was 21 and drank in excess for 3 years until I was 24 back up to 190 pounds.
It was hard to blame smoking for my shitty looks because I ALWAYS looked like shit, even at 6-7 years old I was overweight and never knew any difference and just always assumed I'd have a shitty body
So, can a mid 20s body repair from nearly a decade of smoking damage?
>>36812134
>Was only curious if anyone who was a former smoker had any physical improvements eventually after quitting.
>after quitting
>quitting
>mfw
Dipshit. Of course smoking is bad jesus christ don't even know if this is a joke. Nobody quits though. They all come back.
>>36813088
Yes. Just do it.
Looked much better when I smoked
>>36812272
>I'm so far gone
You sound like a true smoker.
Every smoker knows it destroys you.
You're all like fucking emos.
An hero already, it's pathetic as fuck. Every goddamn smoker is unhappy with his life.
>tfw you'll never know the joy of knowing a loved one will be tortured if you smoke after you vow to quit smoking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl4-b91QgnQ
>>36812241
>someone who smokes a cigar a week
>a cigar a week
Just a cigar a week
Said no smoker ever
The fuck is wrong with you bitches.
How sad he's trying to defend smoking.
Not even one upside, like claiming cocaine is actually not that bad for you bro it's totally ok
>>36813159
>cocaine is actually not that bad for you
It's less dangerous than pot, according to the FDA.
>>36813163
>gee this poison is less bad for you than this other poison according to some jew "scientists"
>time to take some
>>36813202
Christ, calm down. I was having a laugh.
>>36813202
All scientists are Jewish now?
>>36813202
I'd think cocaine is more physical damage and weed is more mental damage t b h after indulging a lot in both
>>36813213
"Science" has been 100% jewish nonsense since ca. Descartes.
>>36813227
What are you basing that off of? It would be the opposite, if anything.
this may sound weird but do you guys get a weaker boner when smoking
>>36813228
/pol/ makes Jews sounds based as fuck.
>>36813247
This is one of the most common symptoms m8
especially when compounded with the fact that you're probably addicted to porn as well, that spells disaster for your virility.
>>36813254
There is nothing based about being a liar.
>>36813265
Apparently, there is.
>>36813241
I smoked weed for 4 years straight from 15-19 and psyche got completely fucked to a point where I just couldn't smoke weed anymore without serious mental freakouts / breakdowns and developed a way different mentality than I ever had before and I know I wouldn't have gotten to without weed. When I found cocaine at around 21 nothing in my mind really changed besides wanting more and weight fluctuation
>>36813274
>nothing in my mind really changed besides wanting more
That's a pretty considerable fucking change, m8. And yes, if you have pre-existing anxiety issues, smoking pot daily for four years will not help things.
>>36813274
>>36813283
You also started at a time when your brain was going through the peak of its development.
>>36813288
Yes, so I've pretty much fucked myself beyond repair and pretty much believe suicide is the best option though "there might still be a way to get through this!" minus my disgusting body and warped mentality.
I don't think people who never touched drugs, cigarettes or alcohol really know how good they have it even though they never experienced some of the ***good*** feels their peers experienced. I'm sorry for scoffing at you, Pajeet
>>36813309
I'm not exactly squeeky clean either, man. I started smoking pot when I was 17 and still occasionally do. I've never tried coke, but I have snorted addy a few times, though the last time I did that was two years ago. Neither substance is good for you and people SHOULD avoid them, but we're not perfect. I guess the point I was trying to make in my original post was the fact that pot shouldn't be Schedule I while cocaine, morphine and opium are Schedule II, but I was having a laugh more than anything. If it makes you feel any better, I have friends that started pot and way worse at the ripe old age of twelve. Yet, they all have jobs and keep trucking on. Moreover, they're still genuine people and I enjoy their company. Don't shoot yourself in the foot, you still have a functioning brain and body. Use them to the best of your ability.
>>36813355
I appreciate your heart anon, thank you for the positive reinforcement, I hope you make it
>>36813396
Y-you too.
>>36813441
That affirmation was all I ever needed, goodbye
>>36813453
I'm pressing F so hard right now.
>>36812315
>>36812360
>>36813159
Here's my counter-argument: Chew some fucking nicotine gum.
It calms you down, this is the WHOLE REASON PEOPLE SMOKE.
>>36813159
Stop being retarded. Occasional smokers exist. Occasional opiate users exist for fucks sake.
I'm not defending smoking at all, it's just since the objective facts go against your biases you project them so you can tell yourself the objective facts are incorrect.
>>36813534
>It calms you down, this is the WHOLE REASON PEOPLE SMOKE.
Bullshit. It only calms you down if you're a nicotine addict in withdrawal. Only thing nicotine does is making you feel worse.
>>36813534
>>36814109
To drive the point further - if you give a irritated/nervous/anxious non-smoker a nicotine gum or a cigarette it will only make them sick. I give you that feeling like shit and/or throwing up might distract them from the previous problem at hand for a while. I figure anxiousness would have a cumulative effect.
Either way - cigarettes have nothing to do with calming down. It's a myth and an excuse of smokers trying to justify their shitty habit.
t. ex smoker
>>36814139
Why are you an ex smoker then?
Why did you smoke and continue to smoke if it does nothing for you?
"Because it's addictive" is a stupid reason. How is it addictive?
>>36814109
>>36814139
https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=smoking+and+anxiety&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfpOrJz5XMAhUG2WMKHc3pBJYQgQMIHTAA
>>36814109
>It's addictive because it makes you feel worse.
Heroin makes you more sensitive to pain, right?
>>36813534
nicotine doesn't calm you down, you're a gigantic faggot
>>36814153
>Why are you an ex smoker then?
Because I kicked the shitty habit after realizing that I'm just an addict and the smoking doesn't really give me anything and only takes from me.
>Why did you smoke and continue to smoke if it does nothing for you?
InitiallyI started because most of my friends smoked. Smoking gave me something to do while walking somewhere. It suppressed the hunger when I was drinking beer, etc. You get used to these things and form a habit. Also shit's addictive as fuck.
>>36814167
>
See my earlier post, retard >>36812918
Non smoker here, never smoke in all my life, fucking stressed all the time, balding, shit nails, no acne but more wrinkles because the stress, want to die in my sleep already
That picture is fucking bullcrap
>>36814204
Just means it would be even worse.
>>36814153
>https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=smoking+and+anxiety&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfpOrJz5XMAhUG2WMKHc3pBJYQgQMIHTAA
Did you even read any of the studies you retard?
>These findings replicate previous results showing cigarette smoking in adolescence is associated with an increased risk of panic attacks and panic disorder in early adulthood and provide initial evidence that parental anxiety and parental smoking may play a role.
>(c) Anxiety and depression were most common in current smokers, followed by quitters, and then never-smokers. No decline in anxiety or depression was found with time since cessation.
>>36814255
I've clicked on 3 random studies now and shit like this comes up every time:
>The current smokers scored statistically higher on the anxiety scale than the non-smokers (P = 0.009). For a subset of depressive questions, the smokers scored higher than the nonsmokers (P = 0.005).
>>36813355
>weed
>speed
>LSD
>was an alcoholic for a while when I was in my teens
That's my list, we all have our skellingtons in our closet
>>36812215
They're roiding you idiot. You think people who'd do that shit would give a fuck about taking steroids?
>>36812215
Fucking this.
>>36812097
To be honest mate, smoking isn't really that bad for your health. I mean it is for some people, but basically 99% of your health is determined by GENETICS.
George Burns smoked 300,000 CIGARS in his life.
THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND.
CIGARS.
He also drank a lot of alcohol.
HE LIVED TO 100.
THE GUY WAS A FUCKING CENTURY OLD.
And yet he did all the things we're told are bad. So how did he live so long?
>Oh! Oh! he must have drank loads of kale or did yoga or crossfi-
IT WAS HIS FUCKING GENETICS. That's why there are COUNTLESS teetollars who die early because they got fucked by genetics. As unfair and annoying as it is, health is pretty much determined ENTIRELY by genetics.
By all means stop smoking if you want to save money, but don't do it for health reasons because it won't make a difference. If you have alpha genetics, you'll be fine.
Smoked for 6 years. Finally gave it up when I was coughing all the time.
>>36814423
>le "i know someone who smoked and lived 10 million years argument"
Anecdotes from a minority don't supercede decades of scientific research, done repeatedly with various controls to eliminate confounding variables yet have the same exact result.
>>36814423
>i know of people who survived headshots
>getting shot in the head isn't that bad for you desu
>>36812855
The only thing vaping has going for it right now is there no information for long term studies that exist to show us how 20 years down the line people who vape regularly have their lungs shut down.
I was/do vape occasionally because it is a great crutch to reduce your smoke/nicotine intake.
Took me about 8 months but I'm at 0% nicotine and I might use it once every couple days if I get stressed about something. But the goal is to not even vape anymore.
You have to realize that there are no benefits to vaping or smoking, you are just putting some foreign substance that we already know is bad for you into your system and weighing it against cigarettes as a self-deceiving rationalization.
"It can't be as a bad as cigarettes" does not in any way mean you should be using it...it doesn't even get you high. Both are terrible for you. Drop the cigs, drop the vape.
>>36814423
>>36812234
You'll be fine cunt
>>36812699
Started smokeing at 13. 24 now never been a full full time smoker but u definitely get a feeling of general shitiness especially in the mornings after smokeing constantly for a few days so I know the feels it really isnt great. Still smoke to this day but I rarely buy smokes that way I can't smoke but never refuse any if I am offered
>>36812495
>good bear
tobacco is a meme
>>36812097
Smoked for 7 years quit for 4 now.
I'm ashamed to admit it but I finally managed to quit by doing cardio. The endorphine kick and feeling like a weak piece of shit for being so out of breath got me through the first months.
Where did all of these retards who think genetics is going to keep filling your lungs with tar from fucking you up come from? Am I in a fps?
>>36814230
I don't think so bro
>>36812272
I made the switch to vaping and I haven't smoked a cig for 2 months. Vaping actually give you more of a throat hit and is stronger, and according to the NHS is 95% less damaging than cigs. There's no reason not to.
>>36812354
>At extremely high quantities - 1 to 2 grams packed into a peace pipe - tobacco acts as a minor hallucinogenic.
Won't this just make you throw up
>>36812335
Two year stoner here, I still look pretty good but lost some gains from laying around getting high all day.
Trying to get motivated again by visiting fit, I've been lifting again for about a month.
>>36812855
>the looking like a faggot part?
>implying big tobacco didn't start this meme
>>36815947
Sure, start smoking. I bet it does wonders to your health.
>>36812134
Smoking kills your tastebuds and your appetite. Smokers lose weight because you eat less, not because you eat healthier. Whenever you meet a skinny person who eats a lot of junkfood, I can almost guarantee they smoke or do other drugs.
>>36814204
Yeah, I know a non-smoker who died when he was 42. So obviously it's bullshit to claim that smoking causes people to die earlier
>this is how dumb you sound
>>36812097
>I'm starting to believe it's the main contributor to my shitty body
pro tip: it's not
smoking will affect your respiratory tract and teeth in the long run (many many years) if you're heavy smoker, but that's that; olfatory and gustatory system recovers quickly after you quit smoking
other than that it is pretty much the blandest of drugs, despise the negative advertising; even caffeine is more potent, both good and bad effects
>>36817593
protip: you are a fucking retard
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/effects_cig_smoking/
http://www.healthline.com/health/smoking/effects-on-body
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/smoking-effects-on-your-body
>>36812097
>>36812134
your shitty body it's almost certainly an effect of shitty dieting + sedentarism, whether smoking or not
>>36814423
tumblr is leaking
>muh genetics
>muh helplessness
>>36812097
I quit smoking about 4 years ago.
I ended up having to quit fast food, too, because once I got my taste buds back, I realized how awful it tasted.
I also felt a bit better in general after quitting (I don't notice it anymore, though). Just clearer. Like a light nausea had passed.
And I also haven't had a cold or been sick since I quit (4 years).
But, no, I don't think smoking is your only problem.
Don't expect quitting to magically fix your life.
You need to exercise and eat better, too.
You really ought to quit, though. Those things are way too expensive and make you smell like shit.
>>36817651
>>36817651
> implying any of these has to do with his shitty body
> implying any of these make cigarettes not blandest drug
of course, it has negative effects, it's still a drug, dumbass
nonetheless, the effects of cigarettes on CNS are nowhere as intense as the effects of alcohol or marijuana on CNS, for instance
and takes a fucking massive amount of smoking (1 pack a day for years) to get any of these effects, which is not the case of neither marijuana nor alcohol
smoking is just as bad as alchohol. It clogs your arteries over time so you may be thin as fuck bust your ass outside everyday but have worse breathing and unhealthy body then a fat ass. Your lungs, heart, arteries are extremely fucking important for just being alive and fitness related shit. Smoking is for simple people that don't think much about their health
>>36812097
>starting
about 8 years too late there, bud.
>>36817804
>>36817738
>smokerfaggot deletes his post and tries to sound more smart
>doesn't cite any sources to back his claims
>"c-cigs aren't as bad as these other drugs!!1"
kill yourself
oh wait, you're already doing that
and maybe next time you'll read what I linked: articles that are medically backed by data and statistics. I know reading is difficult but you should give it a try
>>36812215
Smoking has the worst side effects for aesthetics compared to alcohol and drugs.
>>36814204
>smoking is the only cause of stress, balding and acne
Bait or just extremely retarded?
>>36812241
This. The "cigs don't really calm you down" shit some people push is fucking retarded.
You don't do anybody favors when you try to pretend nicotine isn't a psychoactive chemical with effects other than "makes you want more cigarettes". All you're doing is setting angsty kids or stressed young adults up to start questioning if you're full of shit about the other health risks of cigs too when they finally cave and spark a cig from a friend during a particularly anxious time in their life and feel the calming and focusing effect of the drug.
I have known over a dozen smokers personally. Each and every one of them has a story about how they started smoking during a period when they were anxious and stressed all the time and the cigarettes made them feel better. Pretending their experiences aren't real doesn't help them quit. If anything, refusing to understand nicotine use as a self-medicating stress-coping mechanism that needs to be replaced with healthier and more therapeutic alternatives sets people up for failure before they even start.
Pushing the "they don't actually calm you down" meme makes you an asshole, plain and simple.
>>36812302
How long did you smoke for?
cigarettes remind me of my loser friends
all of them
>>36812302
Smoked for 12 years. AMA.
>>36817985
>kill yourself
>oh wait, you're already doing that
> implying
I used to smoke, but quite a while ago, when got into med school
>articles that are medically backed by data and statistics
you sound like negative effects of alcohol and marijuana were not bluntly obvious, like it was any difficult to click on the same page you linked and see what they say about it
be my guest:
http://www.healthline.com/health/alcohol/effects-on-body
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/pdfs/alcoholyourhealth.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/caffeine-and-alcohol.htm
http://www.csam-asam.org/adverse-effects-marijuana-healthcare-professionals
>>36818319
How big was that cigarette?
>>36818343
did you seriously link side affects of different drugs as your retort? did you even read the pages I link that are directly related to smoking, which is the entire point of this thread? I think now is the time to read the 3 links I posted above and refute the points listed there since you believe smoking only affects "respiratory tract and teeth and that's it"
nobody in a good med school will sit on 4chan and defend smoking, calling it a "bland drug" when it causes disease in more than 16 million americans each year and is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths each year, in america alone.
here's one more source for you. trying reading it before you say something even more stupid than what you responded with:
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/
Been dipping for a couple years now, at the peak of my use was only 1 lip a day, sometimes 2 (on the weekends etc.) most recently only 2-3 a week.
That picture is correct even though it doesn't explain why. Nicotine is a stimulant and long-term chronic use of stims makes you nervous in general. It induces your brain to run on and expect norepinephrine and spastic random rushes of dopamine. Thus, since "neurons that fire together wire together", you are conditioned to act that way proportionally more as a function of time in general, and you find yourself doing those weird, ADHD movements like tapping the table or grinding your teeth.
I've been thinking about quitting (not really actively "trying" because I like it so much) for months now, tried seriously once, and been consciously cutting down since. Now I'm getting tested for a clinical trial that pays a lot of money as long as you're not a smoker for the past year (lol), dipped Saturday night, so I've got to stay clean for a while. I know I can do it but goddamn are the cravings real.
>>36818502
>nobody in a good med school will sit on 4chan and defend smoking
kek
at what point did I defended smoking, dumbass?
what I'm saying since the beginning, it is: 1) it's not the cause of OP shitty body 2) if anything, its the blandest of the drugs (obviously still a drug)
when I talk about "respiratory tract and teeth, that's it", I'm clearly talking about obvious somatic effects of smoking; cardiac effects etc being far less common, though the at increased risk.
not to mention comparing mental health effects of nicotine to those of alcohol or marijuana is purely nonsense. even caffeine impairs more strong effects on mind than nicotine. (having had the experience of volunteering on recovering smokers group, most people that do want to quit smoking, do it surprisingly quick, sometimes even cold turkey works)
cross your data with deaths and other negative effects impaired by alcohol use (including drunk driving, domestic violence, and other publich health subjects etc); you'll see what I'm talking about. research your own links.
>>36818781
It hurts my head at how stupid you are
>>36814610
These idiots rationalise their behaviour in exactly the same way a meth addict does. By consciously making themselves oblivious to any of the negatives.
>>36812097
Smoked a pack a day from 16 to 29, quit 6 months ago. Over all I haven't noticed a huge difference, but there have been some key points.
>I feel slightly less winded when lifting, not a huge amount, but squats and deadlifts have been tiring at the end. This has contributed to me getting stronger since I can push a little farther. I haven't made massive gains, but I put some weight on my squat and finally got my deadlift to lmao 3pl8 at 160.
>I can smell things. This is good or bad. People now smell horrible. I can smell people that where in the elevator and got off before it got to my floor. New Orleans also smells like absolute shit, even more.
>I can taste things. Some things I used to like I don't anymore.
>I can actually bulk now. Put on like 20lbs because I can eat now.
>Skin and eyes look clearer.
>I feel angrier now. Much less tolerance for stupid shit.
Really, if you feel like shit it's probably your diet as the main offender, not the smoking.
>posts on a fitness board
>willingly inhaling chemicals
>>36818900
Yeah you should only get in shape if you're going to inject hormones in your body.
>>36818502
>when it causes disease in more than 16 million americans each year and is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths each year
You can't say that Mr Good Medical School
>>36818900
Imma sniff nitrogen all day and there aint dick you can do about it, narc.
started at 18 - > smoked 6-7 a day
at 19 i smoked half a pack to a pack a day
at 20 one day i just woke up , went for my morning cig and it tasted like shit
im 25 now and have never touched a cigarette since
i actually miss smoking , it used to define me as a person and people always told me i was the at the most chill with a cigarette in my mouth
but i guess it was just a phase
i guess you need to try everything once in your life
>>36812272
vaping is better than tobacco, but it still fucks your cardio.
>>36819053
>i guess you need to try everything once in your life
Here are some ideas for the future:
crack
heroin
pcp
kill and maybe eat a man
>>36814423
Do you retards even know what statistics are?
>>36819178
you dumb animal
>>36812097
>tfw no smoking
>tfw no drinking alcohol
>tfw no drugs
feels good man
>talk to a grill at uni
>pretty cute
>get gf feelings
>realize how fucking bad her smokers breath is
jesus christ i think that alone is a reason to quit. fucking disgusting senpai
I can't stop smoking. It's literally keeping me from stress at work as it allows short breaks
>>36819931
Same here kamarad, it's like being alive for the first time.
>>36819931
>>36821070
I envy you
>>36812241
Scientific data that is real researched for decades versus anons dumbass personal thoughts on the matter. You are a fucking mong.
>>36821070
Good work bro.
>>36822070
to be fair, I haven't done any of those things regulary. I saw what they did to friends and relatives and I never found them interesting, I got bullied for that though.
Like, I smoke one cigarrete once.
I drank a bit a couple of days last summer, but by that I mean that I drank about 4-6 sips of something. I guess you could put all the alcohol I've drank in one normal sized glass and you'll have plenty of free space.
I think the last time I took medicine could be... about one year ago? I feel proud about that.
And the only substances that count as drugs that I have taken or I take from time to time are caffeine or theine.
I haven't tried any recreational drugs, although I feel quite curious about mushrooms.
>>36822287
>>36822070
It can be done brah
I smoked weed every day from 14-17 years of age, then I was drunk as good as every day from 18-20, I smoked cigarettes from 13 - 22, I used to take various party drugs and hallucinogenics more or less regularly. But at 22, I had finally quit every vice I had, including sugar, starches, porn, masturbation, popular music, television and video games.
It can be done and we all carry that power within us, you just have to will it.
>>36820505
Go on break anyway. I shit you not, nothing will make you hate smoking more than smokers. Of course I'm obviously superhuman to have been able to be around smokers without bumming one, but self-hypnosis, dark magic and a whole lot of sour grapes goes a long way.
>>36822415
jacking off addict here, been at it since like 14, haven't ever took a full 7 days off. i put it on my bucket list, lol. how you feelin weaned off all that?
>>36822541
Strong, powerful and awake.
Life had never made more sense than after I had freed myself of the shackles of the World
>>36822415
>sugar, starches, porn, masterbation, pop music, television and videogames.
What the fuck? There's literally nothing wrong with any of those in moderation.
I think I lack the genetic fortitude to be able to quit. I switched to vaping for months on 2 different occasions but its not the same and I go back. All I can do is try and limit myself to <5 per day.
>>36822578
Pornography and masturbation are both decidedly bad for you, they'll break your spirit and your mind both. No matter how little you use it, it still erodes your soul. Notice how many pornography addicts do not believe in love?
The truth is, that it is entirely an unnatural, damaging hebrew indulgence, loved by scared and immature weak-minded narcissists.
Starches I don't have an inherent problem with, but as an aryan man, my body is poorly adapted for it. A meditteranean or oriental man is a different story.
Sugar is again sinful in the same way that pornography and masturbation is.
Popular music, television and video games I just naturally gravitated away from as I became a stronger, better person. I spend my free time either reading, meditating, making music or in nature these days.
You can do it too broder, you must just dispel these notion that there is such a thing as "moderation" and that something as obviously weaponized as pornography is harmless because (((sexologists))) and (((psychologists))) tell you so.
>>36822632
Pro-tip: Don't trade one vice for another, just quit it outright. Your body was made to live without all this poison and you can restore yourself, just as you can restore your spirit.
Remember, the pain is self-inflicted and only temporary. Become a better man today.
>>36822632
>lack the genetic fortitude
nice name for being a pansy
>>36822578
Not that anon, but they aren't really good in any way. You can say a thing is okay in moderation, but that would first require you know its prolonged absence. I haven't watched live tv in like 5 years and gave up the streaming jew in the past 2 and there is a world of difference. Pop music is blatantly and poorly manufactured trash for tweens and tweens at heart.
The rest is a slightly different matter, but one that is sensible. Sugar is a vice like little else, worse than smoking. Starch makes some people feel like crap.
I fap for religious purposes amid periods of abstinence and just don't like people that way, so no comment there.
Smoking is a social habit so to stop it you need to stop smoking around people who smoke or else you'll never get over it. I only really smoke if I'm with other people who smoke or I'm drinking to get drunk.
>>36812398
This
I could never quit when I tried to go hardline no cigs, I had much better results when resolved to never buy a pack. I might still have one if I'm out drinking, but even that is getting less enjoyable.
>>36823150
>I might still have one if I'm out drinking, but even that is getting less enjoyable.
I too have quit similarly but I must disagree because I have done research on this. Once you become a non-smoker the amount you need to drink to get that special buzz from booze and cigs increases. You need to already be drunk and in the process of drinking another drink for a cigarette to be enjoyable.
>>36812097
>Used to smoke regularly
>quit because bad for body plus moved to Canada and its expensive
>start taking study drugs to help me get through work
>sometimes give me an uncomfortable "edge" which makes me crave cigs
>friend is smoker, lets me bum a cig if I go out with him
>starting to think about them more again and i hate it
Honestly quitting was one of the best decisions Ive made. every time i smoke i tell myself its much less regularly than I used to, but at the same time I know im still fucking my self up. Ill probably stop this by managing myself like an adult instead of a fucking 12 year old who cant abstain from shit.
>>36823585
When you look back to the past and see that you've smoked near 10,000 cigarettes, it's so so easy to just "have 1 more"
>>36819178
Hahaha jej.
>>36812097
>the smoker is smiling
Because I have got my last few jobs from smoking with the boss. It's actually brought me places in life because I'm not exactly a social songbird I need a crutch.
>>36822749
Is that Zahir from TLOK?
>tfw have only ever smoked 6 cigarettes in my life
>tfw played thousands of games of league of legends
when are people going to acknowledge that every that video games need to be regulated in the same way that gambling is
>>36812097
what happens when you dont smoke or drink but look like the left anyway
