how much muscle mass can one obtain naturally?
post pics of what you believe is the natty limit
If you're going to start a thread like this don't fucking start it with a PROFESSIONAL WEIGHT LIFTER WHERE IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THEY'RE ALL ON NIGGALOADS O' STEROIDS.
>>36788675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SHaJZgXRyw
>weight lifter
>>36788675
With a dick that tiny you cant say for sure he takes roids
>>36788668
>pro athlete
>natty
>>36788668
OP's picture is 100% natty. It might take 5 years to reach that level, but's it's completely possible.
Looks like he has a normal sized chest, and normal bf%.
However, the natty limit is going to be different for everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AYx33Y0rXw
fair natty limit for few years of lifting
>>36788783
Fix your acne, take vitamin A, anything
>>36788808
>that low bf
>that dry pumped look
>them delts
>natty
Anon, I have bad news for ya.
>>36788668
at what height?
>>36788849
he doesn't have a proportionate physique, though - all his mass is in his lats, shoulders and arms. His core is underdeveloped and I wouldn't be surprised if his legs are as well.
>>36789673
That's the ideal body.
>>36789694
>underdeveloped core
>ideal body
for who?
>>36789694
Dom pls...
>>36789673
How is your comment salient to the discussion at hand?
>>36788668
>has a ton of gold medals from olimpics and world championshops
>natty
>>36789668
He is 190cm and around 120kg.
>>36789744
>salient
KEk
>>36789673
perhaps he wants to look good to 99% of people, not to you. and don't even talk about perfect proportions because they don't exist and if they did you wouldn't be the one to define them.
>>36789744
if you add mass in only three or so areas and under-develop the rest it looks like you're larger than you are when someone shows a shot like >>36788849
>>36788668
>tfw want to pick up wrestling at age 21
Fuck my life
>>36789673
Yeah, because he wants to look good. Fridgemode cores are the death of aesthetics.
>>36789774
I'm only saying if you want another type of physique he isn't a useful reference.
I'll restate it - he has a particular emphasis on shoulders, lats and arms. Unless you have that same emphasis in your training it will be harder to achieve the level of mass he has.
>you wouldn't be the one to define them
I think it's objectively true in terms of how the body works, I'm not intending it as an aesthetic criticism.
>>36788668
>>36788697
>high level wrestler
>natty
nope
realize that he looks like that without bodybuilding
>>36789768
No, I mean if we're talking about the natural limit we need a height. It varies a lot from 5'5 to 6'5.
>>36789845
Op posted him as a natty limit, though the guy is 190cm and 120kg, literaly 3 times olympic champion, thats way beyond natty limit.
>>36788849
I never really thought about it but Dom after a good cut is pretty much my goal physique
Is he natty?
![Scooby2007[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A0Lvg5C.jpg "Scooby2007[1].jpg")
"natty limit" varies from person to person.
>>36789925
according to this
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat-free-mass-index-ffmi
those stats would only be within (their idea of) the natural limit if he was ~25% bf
>>36789965
>pic not related
>>36789965
right, it's easy to underestimate individual variation. It's like asking someone "what is the tallest a man is able to be". If most went by experience they wouldn't say over 7'0, but it happens.
>>36788808
look at this zyzz wannabe motherfucker
>>36788849
what about the Buff Dudes on YT?
>>36790008
you can't fake being 7'5
because of peoples stupidity you somehow can fake being 6' 220lb 10% natty
>>36790049
roiding
>>36790049
as natty as people traveling 600mph 30,000ft above ground
>>36788668
http://strengtheory.com/much-steroids-increase-hypertrophy/
I know it says steroids but it's mostly about the natty limit
>>36789666
you said yourself, pumped look because he just worked out, like every big guy on instagram, they only post good pictures, with perfect light, pump, angles, flexing
I wonder whether Adam Charlton is a realistic very high-level natural. He looks natural to me in every respect except size.
>>36790193
if that's natty to you you're probably on a different planet where humans have glands producing Tren
>>36790225
if you don't think this is achievable you're not lifting hard enough, i know natty guys at least as big as him if not bigger, i can guarantee you that if you see him on person he isn't this big or lean, 100% sure
>>36790225
>glands producing Tren
Genius
>>36790266
or you seem them from time to time, they tell you they're natty and then laugh behind your back
because that's how it works with autists at my gym LOL
or you don't know people with good physiques always look even better in real life
>>36790225
STFU Adi is natty.He is 5'9 and has been working out for years.Don't be fooled by good lighting+pumped pics.
>>36790366
Big Ramy is natty.He is 5'9 and has been working out for years.Don't be fooled by good lighting+pumped pics.
I think David Pocock is a good example of the maximum amount of functional muscle (ie using your muscles for function rather than form)
>>36790401
I think that sentence only makes sense in your head
also by quick google search he doesn't look natty at all
>>36789928
For sure he's natty.
He didn't get much bigger for years.
>>36789666
You serious? That guy looks 70kg at most, he's not even big at all, just good lightning and low bf. Def achievable natty
>>36790364
the guy literally lives in the room next to mine for 5 years now, he doesn't roid, he wouldn't have a problem telling me when i asked if he used it, and i've met some instagram fit guys and they don't look half as good without a pump or flexing abs or correct lighting, sure, a lot of those roid heads look huge and lean all the time, but that guy you posted isn't huge, he has a good size and is lean, but nothing out of this world
>>36790471
>he's not even big at all
many users only want ottermode, they take steroids to reach it more quickly.
>>36790508
Doesn't detract from the fact that it's well within the reach of a natural athlete
>>36790492
what if I told you I have an elephant in a room next to me and that sky is red
because that's what you're telling me right now
![316EFE7200000578-0-image-a-1_1456100345431[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DC5SYMR.jpg "316EFE7200000578-0-image-a-1_1456100345431[1].jpg")
>>36790447
>This doesn't look natty according to fit
Can we stop this "if its bigger than me it isn't natty" meme?
>>36790401
>natty
>this guy
pick one
>>36790530
oh telling that i live with a strong guy for five years is unbelievable right? and he doesn't roid? impossible, the natty limit is pic related
>>36789779
>tfw want to be a pro-wrestler
>>36790530
that size is within the natural limit - he as an individual looks like he's on something, though.
>>36790533
can we stop this "if he's not as big as Ronnie Coleman he's natty and I can tell because I've been lifting for 6 months" meme ?
500mg test adds like 20-30lbs of muscle, makes you leaner, costs as much as bread and people who aren't autistic can find a source with no problem. you've lost the plot kid
>>36790530
not him, but you would be too fucking concerned about your beta insecurities to even notice the elephant, you dumb fagget
>>36790596
This thread is about how much muscle a natural is able to add. The images are illustrations of a size, so it doesn't matter whether they're on something.
>>36790574
as far as lean body mass, perhaps it's possible naturally. but he's a good few % leaner than that what a natty could possibly hope to achieve at that size and he has a distinctive dry and full look.
having eye for it requires experience though and NEETs think sitting in front of a computer subtitutes going to the gym, seeing and talking to both natty and enhanced people
>>36789744
Kek. Also what does salient mean lol? From the context it means "relevant"?
>>36790596
I use test, you mongoloid.
That doesn't affect my point that something like that is completely within the natty limits, if you don't have shit genetics.
>>36788808
LEL
>>36790401
Don't pro rugby players take HGH? They all look like the fucking hulk
>>36789965
Scoobs is taking so much test he literally can't lose his erection long enough to take a pic
>>36790225
>thinking about tren planet
For the average natty guy, your maximum fat free body mass.
So whatever weight would make your BMI = 25, that's about how much muscle mass you can get. Add on 8 or 10 or 15% bf to figure out total weight.
Depending on frame size, you may be able to pack on more or less. There's websites that let you figure out max bodyweight while sub-10% bodyfat.
>>36792374
Shit, maximum FFBMI = 25
Hafthór Júlíus Björnsson. just sayin
>>36789666
>>that low bf
How much low can one go without roids while fit?
>>36792454
>natty
>>36792563
Without losing considerable muscle mass I would say 6-8% BF, but this is my bro-advice
>>36792374
>>36792390
right, BMI of 25 would be a sorry excuse for a natural limit.
>>36792672
lol. at 8% you're a skeleton
>>36791988
keks were made
>>36792729
This is me about 1 month ago and my estimated guess is 7-8 BF% and I don't think I look like a skeleton, now do I?
>>36790548
he could be but it is highly possible he isn't. Alot of pro athletes roided at some point in the career, fuck most have
>>36794605
that fucking adonis belt
has it always stuck out that much for you and been that thick
or has it developed a lot through training
>>36794605
What did cutting look like for you?
>>36789634
He took accutane, and he looks much better now.
natural limit - top-tier predisposition to muscle growth and ten years training.
>>36794925
Training made it thicker but its mostly the pose
>>36795246
Eating Max. of 2500 kcal sometimes even less along with 3 times cardio a week consistently for 6-8 months. Nowadays ill get aprox. 2800 kcal a day
