>b-but the bar can slip and fall on you
been lifting for 7 years with 0 accidents like that . the so called suicide grip by beta plebs is the best for you wrist and it actually feels better on the chest
>>36781860
> I had no accident so far
> therefore it's safe for everyone
>>36781860
>zero accidents
>yet
https://youtu.be/rgYDfporX00
I've always done this. Didn't know it was called suicide grip.
>>36781860
>been lifting for 7 years with 0 accidents like that.
Survivorship bias
Ask all of the people who have been rushed to the hospital after the bar falling how they lifted for X years without an accident.
>the so called suicide grip by beta plebs is the best for you wrist and it actually feels better on the chest
Factually incorrect.
If your wrist is hurting with a thumb over grip, it means you have the bar incorrectly set.
Your form is fucked up to begin with, which is why you are using the suicide grip.
It also is not allowed in any powerlifting competition because it is universally recognized as dangerous and proven to give no benefits.
But it's your life and I know you can't bench much more than two plates, so do whatever the fuck you wanna do
>>36781903
>spot me bruv
>'k'
>>36781971
i do 4 plates fyi
How do I overcome the fear of benching without a spotter? Autism too strong lads ;_;
>>36781860
I literally watched my buddy drop 225 on his chest like that.
Luckily he's a big fucker and that was a warm up weight.
>>36781860
He got some nasty looking fingernails
>>36781994
lmao i started with 5 plates at 12
>>36782004
roll of shame nigga, you can safely roll about 225lb if you tense your abs. might hurt for a bit though
>>36782047
its not your fucking kitchen plate you moron. each plate is 40kgs
>>36781971
The logic is strong with this one
>>36781903
>bitch brought him some water
>internal bleeders love water
How are you supposed to grip it then?
Literally never seen another way to grip bench.
Also that russian guy doesn't "look" big enough for 400 pounds.
>>36782070
88 pound plates? Why?
>>36781994
I knew you were going to say at least 4 plates when I posted that.
I have spotted ~20 or so guys over the years with suicide grip. Absolutely none of them used a full range of motion.
People that use this grip are so wrapped up in ego lifting and broscience that there is no way they can make it to 4 plates with good form.
>>36781860
i just set up with suicide grip, then wrap my thumbs around when i'm about to start.
puts the bar in the right position and there's no chance of you snapping your fucking neck
>>36782089
1 plate means 1 plate on either side of the bar friendo
>>36782106
4 plates means 2 on each side right? i never fully understood this meme
>>36781860
It only takes one time op
Gym owner did that too, crushed his whole fucking sternum because the bar slipped out one time
>>36782112
Fuck off retard 1x2=2
2 plates, I bet you're the type of guy to add the weight of the bar to his '1RM' too
>>36782135
nigga if you cant get over your autism by 2plate bench and do it without a spotter, then you shouldnt be doing it at all
>>36782137
No
When someone refers to plates, they mean per side.
4 plate bench/squat/dead = 4 plates each side = 405lbs
>>36782089
Cause your system is retarded.
>>36781860
i have sweaty hands, mainly during summer, i use suicide grip up to a weight i can do 8-10 reps.
>>36782088
bulldog grip.
suicide is the 'dumb guys way to bulldog grip', which also makes it unnecessarily dangerous.
>>36782137
>>36782200
You also have to take off the bar weight
I just bench in a power rack so I can suicide grip safely
>homegym master race
I been using suicide grip for awhile now. Not because it's cool or "alpha". And I do full reps too. I just have this pain in my thumb joint (MP joint) when I have it over the bar. I have to do the same for seated rows, lat pulls, etc.
>>36782304
Why would you not count the bar weight?
It's counted in every powerlifting and olympic lifting competition.
>>36782324
It might still crack your sternum if you drop it in the wrong spot though, seeing as your touch point has to be over the safeties.
>>36781903
RIP later
>>36782076
What part of that post is logical? I'm not saying any of it is wrong but which part of it demonstrates the use of logic, let alone strong logic? Keeping in mind that logic isn't the same thing as simply knowing something. Why did you even feel the need to make this post at all, even if it was a particularly logical post? Why did you write it the way you did? It wasn't particularly funny but at the same time I can't think of any other reason to make that particular star wars reference than to be humorous. Would you just randomly say this if you overheard this conversation happening irl? You have time to think about what you're writing before you post but it seems like you didn't even bother to do that. Don't waste people's time by posting worthless comments, its of no benefit to anyone including yourself and actually serves as a minor detriment in various ways.
>i can feel the placement of my thumb in my chest
>>36782078
actually the coach tells her to bring the water
as much as i would like to blame women for all possible problems, this time she actually did the right thing that all women should do - do as they are told
>>36781860
if you actually knew how to grip the bar you wouldn't need suicide grip
it's only better for your wrists if you have bitch wrists that bend backwards
>>36782400
holy shit what an autistically aggressive response
>>36782400
i got abs from how hard i cringed
>>36781860
This.
Closed grip brings too much deltoid into any press and too much bicep into back work. Best physiques I've ever seen use suicide grip on everything.
All the rolled shoulder disproportionate gymrats used closed grip.
Unless you are a proper strength athlete you are fucking up using closed grip...
>>36782176
Are you retarded?
>>36782400
your autism is showing, but hey
at least you got dubs
>>36782610
>wrapping thumbs around severely changes the mechanics of the lift where you can 'target' different muscles
retarded broscientists pls go.
>>36781860
I dont get it whats wrong with both grips?
>>36781903
Literally why I bench bitch weight/high volume.
>>36781860
Suicide grip is literally retarded.
>>36782400
damn anon no chill.
>>36782661
"When you take a regular grip, your hands turn in slightly. This automatically forces you into an internal shoulder rotation position, meaning that the "natural" path you take when lowering the bar will have your elbows pointed outward/flared out.
This puts stress on the shoulder joint and if you try to tuck the elbows in – despite the natural inclination for the elbows to be out – you create a lot of torque at the elbow joint. So you either increase the stress on the shoulders or the elbows, neither of which is good.
By using a thumbless grip you can easily keep a more neutral hand position, which makes it much more natural to lower the bar while staying tucked. This reduces shoulder stress without increasing torque at the elbows, resulting in a less stressful bench press."
https://www.t-nation.com/training/6-heavy-bench-press-lessons
funny how the retarded broscientists always look better than fuccboi keyboard warriors...
>>36782757
you can still hold the bar the same way you'd suicide but you wrap your thumb around it. then again i have big hands so that's not the case for everyone. never understood the concept of that, just have your fuckin thumb over it instead of behind it.
>>36781860
op is a faggot his hand looks like he got done cucking a horse
>>36782757
that's dependent on pronation when gripping, which is incorrect grip. suicide grip is just bulldog grip but with the added benefit of possibly killing yourself.
funny how t-nation articles aren't legit sources of information and I'm a fuckboi apparently :^)
nice attempt for a broscientist, but try a bit harder next time m80
>>36782817
cool story bro, tell it again?
its so stupid.
Why to do that?
The damage is very high
>>36782850
>durr im wrong
>better say something hip and cool so i don't look dumb
>>36782610
>Closed grip brings too much deltoid into any press and too much bicep into back work. Best physiques I've ever seen use suicide grip on everything.
>
>All the rolled shoulder disproportionate gymrats used closed grip.
Hmmm of course this is because they use a closed grip and not because of frequent benching with unretracted scapulas and little to none back work.
>>36782866
look at the picture lad, what he said wasn't his point
>>36782866
It's the body builder most know for his superior chest development and the grip he is using is suicide grip.
cool story bro, tell it again? pls one more time?
>>36782757
Hi, anon that has actually had some proper education on kinesiology and anatomy.
do this for me:
take out your dad's dick.
grip the shaft tightly in the center of your palm, using the "thumbless grip".
take a minute to be conscious, highly aware of the position of your elbow and shoulder joints.
(try and be relaxed and natural while holding your dad's dick).
Now carefully, carefully and slowly, rotate your thumb away from teh side of the index finger and curl it around the dick until it's in the "normal grip" position.
Notice exactly how much your elbow and shoulder joints had to pronate in order to achieve this
>exactly zero
now take your trip off and never post here again
>>36782047
rolled 265 in a basement.. kek
>>36782957
Since when is a tugjob considered a press?
>>36782943
>damage control
>>36782943
>>36782937
>Arnold
>spokesperson for form and biomechanics
yeah his pecs were from suicide grip :^)
should i go post other people using regular grip and good lats as 'source'?
>>36782985
>he doesn't know
which is the correct grip? left or right?
>>36781860
Then how come the best bencher in the world doesn't use false grip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgHKBRuGV8
>>36782112
I do the same, in fact often do my form check and warm up sets just balancing the bar on my open palm, no grip at all, then switch to full grip for weight. helps me set the ROM and form properly with no danger
>>36782991
I wasn't really defending the trip but figured the other anon was missing the point of the post. I'm interested in hearing both sides because I use suicide grip myself to avoid thumb joint pain.
>>36782991
ad hominem x f.
>oh man i was proved wrong. time to take this outside the original context i was disproved to make a point completely irrelevant to the original disagreement.
keep leading the blind, i'll keep perfecting my physique ;p
>>36782943
Notice how he has a wide grip and a good arch in his upper back. He also has good lats. Thus a wide grip bench press with an arch is needed to develop your lats.
>>36783000
The difference is probably miniscule at most but if you have the thumb around the bar you won't risk dropping the bar on yourself.
>doing this ever
>>36783048
>ad hominem
kek
none of that even kind of referenced you m8. no wonder people shit on you all the time.
you didn't even argue against anything i've said anyway so theres no point talking to you
>>36783042
just bulldog grip, its the benefits of suicide without the retarded side
>>36782004
Bench without clips or bench in a cage
>>36783068
Decent thread with user feedback incorporating suicide grip.
http://www.lift.net/community/topic/83-suicidefalse-grip-for-benching/
>>36783252
>A bunch of keyboard warrior fuccbois saying something means it's right
You really are fucking stupid aren't you.
>>36782176
wtf are you talking about?
did you reply to the wrong person?
the only videos/horror stories involving heavy benching that I know of also included suicide grip, so I'm just going to not
is it really that bad to stick your damn thumb on the other side faggots
>>36781903
He really died? Fuck, man.
>>36781860
>those fingernails
What the fuck? I see tons of guys with short stubby fingernails like that that don't even look like they'd reach the end of their finger. I need an explanation
>>36783104
>this webm
Guilty laugh because if that happened to me I would sperg out and kill someone
>>36783570
they bite their nails
source: i do too
>bunch of 4chan users doing something that will an hero them
Anything actually new here you anime weaboos?
>>36783247
This.
>>36783572
I'd kill someone if it was an ugly guy but if it was someone fit i'd prob try and have them sit on my face for long periods of time.
no homo
>>36782004
Just start with an easy weight if you're really that afraid. Work your way up slowly to a weight thats actually a challenge.
You will never get over your fear without tackling it head on.
Benching is the only cure.
>>36782957
Fucking kek
>>36783679
This. Benching scared me. I benched on the smith machine for awhile but it's not enough, and you know it isn't enough. There just was no way around it besides facing the demon.
>>36783709
>>36782345
Pussy.
>>36782957
>talking down to lotus-senpai
newfag heretic, off with you.
>>36782200
This is where you took the bait son. You mean weel but you're no match against shitposters.
>>36782957
>take out your dad's dick.
kek lost it
>>36783634
> no homo
>>36782957
>>36782410
>>36781860
Damn I think the 'suicide grip' feels better and that's how I used to train, but during highschool weightlifting meets we weren't allowed to use that grip, our thumbs had to be around the bar. Now i'm used to benching with the thumb around the bar and it does feel somewhat safer
>>36782985
>>36782957
LOTUS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>36782850
Arnold did tons of stuff that can snap your shit up, he's not a good example for saftey
>>36781903
oh my god he probably exhaled in panic and it just completely crushed his ribs without any air in his lungs
>>36782047
dude i rolled 225 this week. fucking hurt.
>>36782850
i wonder if he used different grips for hypertrophy or power
>>36782964
you get terrible welts on your stomach?
>>36782957
topkeke
>>36784595
For reps I don't think it's a safety issue. This whole thread is based on the exceptions where suicide grip went wrong, not the rule of 'thumb' most people using said grip with no ill effects.
>>36784671
Most likely, all pics or videos or him doing max bench he uses closed grip, as do I. For hypertrophy suicide grip is the way to go.
gonna train back
>>36781903
>3 spotters
>they all back the FUCK away before he lifts
>you know they greased the bar
Well, good thing to keep in mind when I start getting heavy; fuck spotters, use a power cage
>>36782304
>do chest flies with 45lbs
>according to /fit/ didn't lift anything today
Only way to bench or press, nothing is more motivating than knowing you might decapitate yourself or crack your skull
>>36782957
LAMO
>>36785405
No, technically since it's plates minus bar you did lifted -45lbs
>>36785370
I love how after he falls he just gives up and gets comfortable on the floor
>>36784671
>hypertrophy or power
>>36781903
>>36785430
He did back flies then?
>load up bar
>wrap pussy pad around the part of the bar that hits my chest
>bench without spotter without fear
Ez
I'm lucky enough that the safeties line up only slightly higher than my chest while laying down, if I arch my back slightly then my chest sticks up higher than the bar
>>36782410
this fucking edge holy shit
>>36785429
>>36784141
>>36783709
>>36783864
>>36784966
ITT newfags laugh at shitty child humour
>"Top kek m8 that was an epic meme"
We know who wont make it boys
>>36785838
aw thats cute he turned his trip off
>>36785665
DYEL confirmed
>>36785838
>He thinks posting as anon will fool us
Lotus pls go
>>36782047
HAH YOURE A FUCKING FAGGOT
I DID 10PL8 WHEN I WAS 8
>>36781903
Dude isn't even using suicide grip as far as I can tell, so this video isn't super relevant.
>>36785838
>>36785951
>>36786009
ayy lmao
>>36782957
Fuck you I choked on my water
>>36786448
come back home from training, and smirk. not even mad, that post made me laugh
>>36782957
D E S T R O Y E D
>>36782957
He's not wrong though.
Rippetoe suggests uses thumbless on OHP for that reason as well. He says don't do it on bench for the safety risk, even if there's some guys who lift their entire lives and don't hurt themself; there's still a risk
>>36784632
Uhhhh do you think he could have kept the air in his chest with 400 pounds being dropped on it?
>>36782004
dumbbells
Meh DB press for the win
Balance gains and you can drop them to the side in an emergency, never had one tho
>>36787068
yeah most people who aren't mad usually go about going
>oh yeah look at me, not even mad.
>in fact Im laughing
>thats how unaffected I am
>you didn't annoy me one bit lol
>see I laughed again. unphased.
>>36781903
>vater is miracle medicine
>let us look on like monkey when he drink.
Where the fuck are the doctors/EMT that are supposed to be on scene?
>>36787414
this the attention mortals crave from a god...
>>36781860
>been lifting for 7 years with 0 accidents like that
try lifting more than 40 kilos
Been doing OHP on a smiths while seated because I was being a bitch. Going to switch, but is there really much difference given that my lifts are increasing?
>>36788047
shit DW. Opened the wrong thread.
>>36787827
Hoss, people who bench as much as you total have been using thumbless grip for decades.
Is it riskier than full grip? Slightly. Is your thumb gonna do much to stop four or five plates if it starts moving? Not really.
>>36781860
>barbell safety featuring steve shives
>>36781903
RIP Hugh
>>36781860
>feels better
If you jeopardize your life for subjective sensations you deserve what might happen.
>>36782004
Bench in a fucking rack or cage with safeties, maybe?
>>36788067
> Is your thumb gonna do much to stop four or five plates if it starts moving? Not really.
youre fucking retarded
>>36781903
"The water isnt working! BRING A BIGGER BOTTLE QUICK!"
>>36782957
>tfw no dad
>>36782757
Stfu negro, go harvest some potatos for your white onwer
just bench with safeties
no idea why anyone benches without safeties
>>36781994
>2016
>having less than a lmao6pl8 bench press
ishygddt
>>36781994
not total plates dyel
>>36782400
The autism is strong with this one.
>>36791490
What part of that post is autistic? I'm not saying any of it is rational but which part of it implies an act of autism, let alone strong autism? Keeping in mind that autism isn't the same thing as simply sperging out. Why did you even feel the need to make this post at all, even if it was a particularly autistic post? Why did you write it the way you did? It wasn't particularly funny but at the same time I can't think of any other reason to make that particular anonymous poster reference than to be humorous. Would you just randomly say this if you overheard this conversation happening irl? You have time to think about what you're writing before you post but it seems like you didn't even bother to do that. Don't waste people's time by posting worthless comments, its of no benefit to anyone including yourself and actually serves as a minor detriment in various ways.
>>36791575
New pasta maybe?
>>36781860
With or without spotter? A guy I knew visited his father's house, and found him dead on the fucking bench. Be careful, Anons.
>>36792035
did...did he take out his dick?
>>36782957
dam son
>>36783048
>ad hominem
>>36787068
>he thinks this proves fuck all
kekkle
>>36782400
The autistic lack of logic is strong with this one.
>people bench with clips
>people bench with suicide grip
....why? Seriously? Why put yourself in danger like that?
>>36793621
I got bitched out once for squatting and benching w/o clips by a staffer at the Y. The gym is p.great but it's run by people that are only vaguely athletic
>my god the 350lb hippo at the front desk
>fit families stream in and out all day
>she knows
I had to explain to the dude why someone might WANT the plates to fall off the bar in an emergency, he had this look like a stunned sheep, I'm not sure he understood even after I explained.
>>36781860
I have a deformed right hand lobster claw thing, therefore all my benches are half suicide grip because I'd have to turn my right hand sideways to fit the bar in my grip, and it's too heavy anyways.
>>36790723
not everyone is a friendless faggot or fails reps left and right like you probably.
>>36794634
Post claw pls
>>36782957
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>36781903
He's not using suicide grip though.
>>36781860
best grip !
>>36781860
As if putting your thumb on the inside is going to help with gains. I love idiots that blah blah about bodybuilding to me. weak cunt"you do the different grips, I used to do all the grips" " me "Yeah, no... Im not a fucking faggot"
>>36782957
DESTRUCTION
rescuing dad's dick from page 8
The people who taught me how to lift told me to place my palms a thumbs distance away from the start of the bar grip.
Is this good advice?
A great deal many more people using suicide grip drop the bar, especially during struggling reps where the weight is high.
Its a risk that just isn't worth it for the potentially enormous consequences that can arise for the relatively small payoff. The world record bench press holders all use a normal grip and they hit numbers you can never hope to reach.
All it takes is one drop.
>>36781971
Hand dexterity/grip strength. - It's the only benefit.
there was a power lifter who i used to train Jiujitsu with and that mother fucker could grip a wrist like that - you just had to tap, he did everything suicide/monkey grip.
That grip was fucking terrifying.
>Driving drunk for 7 years now
>Never been in an accident
>Therefore it's safe
>>36782004
I don't know why nobody told you to just man up and ask for a spotter.
When I first got my bench to decent weights, asking people to spot me was a great conversation starter. Guys would usually ask me how long I'd been lifting for and such things.
>hey man can I get a spot? I'm going for 5 reps
That's all it takes.
>>36786105
so both his thumbs just snapped backwards and caused him to loose the bar?
get a grip
>>36782757
fucking tripfags just getting dumber every for every post
>>36781860
>been lifting for 7 years with 0 accidents like that
there won't be numerous accidents like that. there will be 1 accident like that. after that 1 accident, you will either stop existing,left paralysed, or best case scenario that you are able to lift again, come to your senses and stop benching like a neanderthal.
>>36796912
In judo and jujitsu you use that grip so you don't get your thumb broken off trapped under a gi collar, also sneaky cheeky breekis will peel your thumb and snap it when the judges can't see.
>>36782670
Just lift in a powerack, if you know some basic knowledge on it and aren't reckless all the time, you'll be safe.
>>36785357
Not leaving candles burning is based on the exceptions where the house burnt down, not the rule of thumb most people using said light source with no ill effects.
Do you understand how safety issues work? I don't think you do.
>>36782410
>>36795469
>Implying she could life +4plate with 1 hand
>Implying the guy in the background needs a spotter while doing 1plate incline presses.
>>36782070
one pl8 is 45 pounds or 20,4 kg my friend
>>36781994
So you bench 180kg?
You sure about that buddy?...
>>36782004
Dude just do it man, seriously benching is my main workout at my personal gym and I only ever fucked up once in which I just roll the bar off me.
If you're really afraid, start small and slowly build yourself up. That's all it takes.
>>36781903
>>36801325
"One plate" means one on each end of the bar.
So he is correct. Each "plate" is actually 2x20kgs.
>>36791961
>>36782450
>>36782488
>>36782747
>>36791490
But it already is a pasta, kek
