>2016
>still eating carbs
>still falling for cheap propaganda that fat and protein are bad for you
>2016
>still getting memed into believing low fat is bad for u
say goodbye to making it fit
>thinking carbs are bad for you
you are as dumb as the people thinking fat is bad
you fucking faggot. it's the combination of fat, carbs and protein which is essential.
eating only 50g of fats is probably enough to keep your hormones working.
>>36777881
this meal looks delicious
I agree for fat loss that low carb/keto is the way to go. But is it optimal for long term health? I found going full low carb I missed out on fruit, legumes, & various other veggies which contains lots of phytonutrients as well as micronutrients.
I just don't know if low carb is healthy long term for maintainance. It felt wrong to not be able to eat a whole range of fruit & veggies long term to keep carbs as low as possible.
>he bought the carbs are bad meme
lmao
>>36777881
FOOL! Eat you daily banana.
>>36777905
except carbs are not essential
>>36777881
>2016
>Still eating the processed jew
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement, but swap out that Jimmy Dean sausage and get something less full of garbage, friend. Get some high quality sausage from your local butcher.
I don't eat chicken periods or the shitty parts of animals that the jews over at Monsanto want me to eat.
>2016
>still falling for keto meme
>>36778059
not essential for survival, but damn sure optimal
>your body literally prefers glucose over fat
>your body literally stores glucose in your muscles
>people still argue that carbs are bad and not needed
use your brain
>2016
>Falling for the eating meat meme
>>36777881
>2016
>not realizing ketosis is a bodies last resort to starving
>not realizing the body prefers glucose
>not realizing all the toxins are stored in the animals fat
>not realizing an optimal diet can include healthy fats as well as carbs
>>36778323
Eggs are literally natures protein shake
>>36778495
>use your brain
He can't. He's on keto.
>>36777905
>eating only 50g of fats is probably enough to keep your hormones working.
I am pretty sure most people don't want just the bare minimum of fats so their body doesn't stop working. /fit/ is all about optimal intake, not minimum intake.
>>36779033
What ratio is optimal for health? I can't really find much in agreement but this stated
http://paleoleap.com/question-of-macronutrient-ratios/ 20% carbohydrates, 65% fat and 15% protein for optimum health. The protein is probably a bit low for lifters but for maintenance rather than bulking or cutting, should be ok?
>>36777958
you should be supplementing those with good quality multi-vitamins.
>>36779403
I would say 20/60/20
15% protein is nothing.
>>36777896
this
>>36777881
are those eggs fully cooked? i usually pull 'em off the pan when all sides are cooked but not to the point of it being dry, is this a normal to look that slimy?
>>36779811
it's cheese brah
>>36777881
it's non-stop fit. this fucking argument.
bottom line: cyclical keto dieting aka carb cycling is a god-tier diet for cutting. It may not be optimal for bulking, but some gains can be achieved.
specifically, the father of modern bodybuilding Vince Gironda used keto dieting with a carb heavy meal once every 3-5 days (source: unleashing the wild physique)
The most popular variation of that diet is keto M-F and Sat- Sun carb up. AKA the anabolic diet.
That's it faggots. no more to keto or not to keto. keto dieting to infinity IS a meme. But carb cycling has been used by the best for "maximum definition" (source: unleashing the wild physique) for decades.
END OF FUCKING STORY.
>>36779865
Carb cycling is for people that are already lean (less than 15%) and want to get leaner
I like how scooby said it
>tfw I fell for the eating meme
>>36777881
>fell for the keto meme, pigs out on bacon and sausage
>has heart disease
enjoy your atherosclerosis
How hard is it for you fucks to eat a goddam balanced diet?!?
I had 582 grams of carbs yesterday in one meal, and I'm cutting. Stay mad, DYEL ketotards.
You're literally so uninformed on nutrition and inexperienced with your body, all while being nonathletic that you resort to meme diets to fool yourself.
>>36777881
you think our ancestors ate shit like that? 1000 years ago? 10000 years ago? No, they ate greens, fruits and starches. That's the human diet. Not inflammation promoting greasy shit like that that'll clog up your arteries..
>>36779811
Cheese eggs dude, clearly you need to step your egg game up.
>>36780363
Our ancestors also didn't have internet so why use it right?
They also didn't have vehicles, guess I better start walking everywhere
This is it mane
>>36780400
This is kind of inane.,
>>36778720
they've actually been doing research into the fact that the body actually prefers fats as a energy source, especially in westerners who evolved to eat alot of meat and dairy
>>36781222
Who is they and where is that research?
>>36777896
This.
>>36777958
Long term its better to reintroduce fruit/starchy vegetables/legumes etc. BUT avoid refined breads, pastas, even white rice etc. Think of these things more as a treat or condiment... a little something extra. But plan you meals with all the fresh fruit, vegetables, and legumes you want
>>36778894
xD
but srsly implying you dont get carbs when you dont eat carbs is another level of ignorance.
ppl should be discussing micronutrients instead of macros.
hows your zinc daily?
>>36778059
They are literally as essential as fats.
http://www.anabolicmen.com/carbohydrates-testosterone/
And I know you have never been sub 10% bodyfat in your life, because you had you would know carbs are arguably more important than fats to maintain test and strength with a lean physique.
All macronutrients are important, there is no "scapegoat" nutrient that you should avoid.
>>36779403
That low of protein is to maintain keto.
Too much protein knocks you out of ketosis
>>36779865
its not keto if you cycle it every 3 to 5 days, but it is low carb.
>>36781437
you shoild be fine if you go with 1.5g per lean mass weight but you do need to work out. (if anyone here doez)
There's different types of fat, different types of carbohydrate, and different sources of protein with different health effects.
Saturated and trans fats are unhealthy, polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats are not.
Refined sugars and processed carbohydrates are unhealthy, complex carbohydrates are not.
The fat vs carbs argument is always full of retards that think each macro is either good or bad regardless of the type and source. That's how you have people like OP defending a plate of processed meat.
>>36780384
Except those are artifacts of culture, not biology.
Don't pretend optimum nutriment has nothing to do with our evolutionary history.
You need some carbs if you want your glycogen reserves to not be laughably low
That is, if you want to actually have any sort of endurance and be able to work out for more than 20 minutes
>>36781457
That is way too much protein for ketosis.
Even the more reasonable .78g/lb (which is literally the maximum protein natty lifters need) is too much protein to maintain ketosis.
But that is good because keto is a meme and mark sisson is a faggot.
Lyle McDonald knows he true way.
But yea if you think you need that much protein you are retarded. Enjoy your overpriced carbs
>>36781461
Saturated fats are one of the best for test the medium chain fats in coconuts have literally been proven for bodyfat loss and testosterone support
>>36781490
>keto is a meme and mark sisson is a faggot.
Seconding this.
>>36781503
That's just pseudoscience you read on bodybuilding websites.
>>36781521
No thats actually backed research I bet you think eggs are bad to lol
>>36781490
Keto isn't a meme it's just that there's no reason to do it all the time
Use it to get shredded, either for an event, a sport, or whatever. Then get off of it. Some professional athletes cycle keto with high carb to make themselves hypersensitive to insulin right before a competition, then load up on carbs to raise their glycogen levels above their normal levels
But there's no reason to do it all the time, and good reasons not to, including a lack of fiber, a harder time meeting your micro nutrient needs, and lowered endurance.
I've started carb back-loading and it's working really well desu. I'm seeing my body change over the weeks and even though my workouts are thrashing me ( probably because I eat 1500-1800 cals a day ) I'm not getting weaker and I'm still adding weight to the bar as long as I hit the minimum setXrep range. But I never have more than 100g carbos a day.
>>36781490
i ate about 1g and carb intake was 20g for three months and shit didnt hurt. i looked like shit, now i look like shit who lost 25kg. meh. either way, did blood tests and I was in ketosis.
sure, overpriced carbs, but it was easier to eat the whole meat piece than to weigh it.
>>36781222
>seriously replying to someone talking about toxins
>current year
>>36781542
That literally is not a ketogenic diet.
Carb fasting/cycling is fine.
Keto is a meme and mark sisson is a faggot.
Eating a large amount of carbs is what makes the cycling so effective
>>36781557
>didn't hurt
Because you weren't in ketosis.
Because ketogenic diets are a meme.
>>36781567
It's still useful for shedding water in the short term, say for a body building competition or martial-arts weigh in. In addition to its potential utility in carb cycling.
>>36781535
You're easily impressed by citations. I've read the "research" those websites reference. There's no controlled experiments testing the claim. It's either entire dietary shifts that introduce a million variables other than fat composition, or it's cross-sectional data.
>>36781597
>reducing water reserves sheds water weight.
You must be some sort of scientist.
What field is your doctorate in?
MD or PhD?
With valuable information like this, I might also learn that low sodium diets and hot water soaks are good for inducing dehydration.
Wanna lose weight? Just stop drinking water bro... The water weight will shed right off
>>36781631
Well you were the one who said keto was useless when it does have a very valid use in that regard.
>>36781644
Carb cycling does not induce ketosis, faggot
>>36781418
sub 10% carbs are life, can confirm. literally my dick won't work on low carbs when I'm lean
high fat diet is only worth giving a damn about if you're still fat. then it MIGHT be worth it
>>36781627
Im sure you reaf all of them right ? Just like the ones that say keyo doesnt work or is bad arent true at all.Fact coconut fat is god tier>>36777881
>>36781655
I never said it did. I said a said keto could be used to shed water. And that, separately, it could be used for carb cycling
>>36781682
The same few papers tend to be cited by each website making articles about saturated fats and testosterone, so yeah I probably have.
Keto/low carb is also supported by a large number of bullshit studies that only seem impressive if you don't actually read them and see what they're being compared to. Here's a video about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1-HQel1AGM
>>36781711
Lol youtube videos ok man great sources
Also Ive personally done keto with calorie restriction and lost far more bodyfat confirmed then any other diet with a calorie restriction.Again your studies are false opinions consuming carbs makes your insulin go up and test and hgh go down
>>36781686
>keto
>used for carb cycling
...literally unpossible
>>36781757
The youtube video isn't a "source," it's a video discussing papers selected by people pushing low carb diets and showing you why they're bad.
Enjoy your anecdotes though.
>>36781757
>my subjective anecdotal evidence with no oversight or controlling of variables is more valid that legitimate academic scrutiny of scientific literature
Kill yourself, my main man
>>36777905
3 TABLESPOONS OF COCONUT OIL A DAY
SS + 3TBOCOAD
>>36779811
>>36779829
It's fuckin chyzz brah
>>36781790
>>36781791
Again theres plenty of evidence supporting low carb not necessary keto are better for you.also not just me but plently of people around the world have had success on those type of diets.
>>36781582
yeah, must explain doctors tests and my ketone levels, and death breath.
why even bother with such low quality baits?
>>36781907
Okay
>>36781907
>plenty of demonstrably false evidence to support my claims
Nice one, faggot
>>36782063
Wheres your evidence you fucking faggot I bet your a weak or fat piece of sit
>2016
>carbs are bad
>fruit is bad
>potatoes are bad
Carbs are fine, bread is shit. Any grain is shit tier food. Refined sugar is also shit. You cut grain and refined sugar, not carbs; you stupid fuck.
>>36782184
most people eat grains, win at life and don't give a fuck about your autistic theories while you sit in your room being a NEET
>>36780365
tried this few days ago
good as fuck
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS CALORIES YOU DIPSHIT
Carbs are required for the breakdown of fat.
>>36781461
>saturated fat
>bad
nice momscience
>>36777881
I wish I could eat pork
man fuck
all I can get is turkey sausage, turkey bacon, pineapple pizza with no fucking ham
ahhhhhh
>>36779811
Try scrambling them a little runnier next time if you have some toasted bread to put them on, like a bagel half or English muffins. The combination is amazing.
I cook the eggs in a bit of butter and salt them. Could eat for every meal.
>>36780487
>lard is on the yes list
Lmfao
>>36777881
>still believing diet is not entirely dependent on race, gender and tradition
wew.
>>36785154
get out of the middle east m8
>>36777881
>eggs and various cadavers
Happy colon cancer, OP
>>36784860
>being willfully retarded
>>36786651
shitpost where your 1970s momscience is allowed
>>>/his/
>>36786680
>literally every group of scientists in the world who specialize in nutrition agree saturated fats are unhealthy
>"durr it's just an old wives' tale! go back to the 16th century!"
>>36786743
> i-i swear guise im not a triggered momscience apologist
get the fuck out of this board
>>36786794
>>36781490
>shill Lyle McDonald
>>36777881
I'm so happy that I have this no carb phase behind me
>>36777881
>fried food
enjoy your heart attack faggot
>>36777881
fat and protein are not bad for you
processed meat/food is though
>>36777905
There are no essential carbs, memer.
>>36777958
Have been on keto for three years, just switched to almost zero carb, mainly beef, mct oil, and eggs. Feels good, man.
>>36779528
Just no
>>36778894
>glucose brain twaddle twaddle
Pure hearsay.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201104/your-brain-ketones
>>36777881
>that feel when fat-rich breakfast does not slow you down
>tfw you run out of eggs
>>36782184
grain aint bad anon
proof: look at asia, all they eat is rice
>>36789458
and they are all manlets
>>36789505
south korea is on par with southern europe
>>36778495
>NON-ESSENTIAL ELEMENT
this means you do not need to consume, because your body can produce it in high enough amounts
>>36778894
>You can't. You fullretard.jpg
>>36779403
>What ratio is optimal for health?
depending on your "race"
>>36779740
>15% protein is nothing.
might be, but protein intake should be counted as grams per kg of full weight
>>36780349
>I had 582 grams of carbs yesterday in one meal, and I'm cutting. Stay mad, DYEL ketotards.
then you ate ~0g of fat if you are still cutting. maybe you should learn something about your body from other sources then your gym buddies
>>36780400
>GRAIN?
>>36780062
nowhere in gironda's book does he mention when it's to be used other than what you want the outcome to be. in other words it doesnt matter what your bf% is.
>>36781438
let's not get into semantics.
your body does go into ketosis while carb-cycling
>Eating inflammatory fat and protein
>Avoiding carbs
>Still believing carbs are bad for you
>Falling for low-carb pseudoscience
>>36782184
>Any grain is shit tier food
>Oats
>Shit tier
>>36790517
This
And sat fat and cholesterol too but too many people fall for the bullshit spread by normies and diss thousands of studies based on one cause thats what rhey want to hear.
>thinking any type of macro is bad for you
It's all about the ratios. Fat satiates, protein makes up your muscles, carbs fill up the rest.
You will only have problems when you eat too many of any of the macros. Or if you constantly eat non-complex carbs.
