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why is /fit/not vegan yet?
> Is healthier, drastically reduce build up of plaques in arteries by eating less saturated fat
> is more alpha, you protect those who are weaker from needless harm. True men protect those weaker. They are sentient and they dont deserve i. You cannot justify killing when you can buy anything else.
> All protein myths debunked, i used to use that 1 all the time
Its time to face the truth bros. Lead by example.
i made a typo oopsie, but high lel.
inb4 plants
enjoy your no-gains
>>36703891
>"they are sentient"...
Quit reading there. If srs please put up an argument if you want to debate. Would recommend to quit shitposting, it's bad for your mental health.
>>36703891
There's something wrong with the brains of vegans who feel pity for animals to the point where they can't eat meat.
Preaching the MORAL benefits of veganism is assuming people share the same retarded values as you.
>>36703914
debunked, plenty of vegan athletes. Next
>>36703920
Animals are sentient, over 2,500 scientific studies prove this. Simple google search.
>>36703927
why is caring about the inflicting suffering on other sentient beings for no reason, especially at the environmental cost bad value?
>>36703920
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201306/universal-declaration-animal-sentience-no-pretending
http://www.livescience.com/39481-time-to-declare-animal-sentience.html
not even vegan but stfu, you just make yourself look like an idiot. Ofcourse animals are sentient, you not been around them much huh?
>>36703969
>inflicting suffering
Again. You're appealing to values I don't share.
Meat is delicious enough to excuse the economic cost. Then again I can't wait for cheap lab grown meat.
>>36704011
Just to be clear... you dont care about animal cruelty?
>>36704081
just as much as any other animal that eats meat.
>>36704011
>enviromental impact
> enough to excuse the economic cost
lel
>>36704094
so you are basic your moral behaviour on wild animals who are carnivorous, must eat meat to survive, and cannot exercise moral agency...thats what you are basing your ethics on?
to be /fit/ you have to have a good mind as well
>>36704118
basing... fucking autocorrect
>>36704098
>I AM SILLY
>>36703891
>why is /fit/not vegan yet?
I'm not that much of a faggot
>>36704306
it doesnt make you a faggot, nice appeal to ridicule if you're srs
because I don't care.
any more questions?
>>36703891
Why do you coocksuckers keep trying to force this cult down /fit/'s throat?
>>36703891
>eat a plant
>WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR LEAVES
kill you'reself
>>36703920
In NZ they passed a law saying all animals are sentient.
But the biological term animal includes spiders and sea sponges.
>>36704118
hey man are you basing your morals on wild animals who are herbivores, must eat plants to survive, and cannot exercise moral agency .. thats what your basing your ethics on?
don't you realise those plants just want to grow free and proliferate, and instead you're coming up and up rooting them so you can devour them for their nutrients?
you make me sick you stupid fuck.
its 2016 learn to photosynthesis or get off my planet.
>>36704377
>human laws
>dictating reality
>>36704364
stating facts is not forcing anything
Animal agriculture is killing our planet and is cruel to other sentient beings, i honestly though /fit/ was about being alpha, we protect our earthlings, unless ofcourse for survival. The animals we eat are harmless anyway
>>36703891
VEGETARIAN MASTER RACE COMING THRU
>>36704381
top kek, this is usually a genuine argument doe
>>36704392
>i just grind baby chicks alive, fund the sexual exploitation of female cows (who latter get killed for the meat industry) and funding the veal industry.
corrected your sentence for ya m8
usually i like vegetarians because its at least making a difference, but you are a namefag so
>>36704409
Um if I have to have a shitty nine to five job and live in a crappy apartment, it's only fair that the animals have to do the same.
That's true equality
If I work, they work
Also I'm a vegetarian for environmental/resource reason, I'm not some turbo liberal that believes drinking milk is rape
>>36704409
>(who latter get killed for the meat industry)
Dairy cows are not beef cows you fucking retard
>>36704435
He's a vegan, just like his diet is half way to making sense, so are his points
>>36704388
you write like a teenager.
>Why aren't you vegan, anon?
Because i like meat, just like I enjoy pussy.
Technically, the planet is overpopulated, but i'm not gonna go gay to prevent the population of humans from going up. I'll enjoy my time, and advocate for shit that would ACTUALLY improve the environment, like the use of renewable energy as opposed to fossil fuels.
>>36704481
>the planet is overpopulated
It's not though. That's a common misconception.
>renewable energy
Is mostly useless and a money sink. The only real energy we should be focusing on improving is nuclear energy.
>>36703891
Animals don't respect animal lives.
I mean, vegans are really fucking retarded. They don't understand how much animals value meat, even those that are herbivorous(cows, deer). Given an opportunity, they will devour and eat meat.
Will inculide links for examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXhElaGCZVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOQdBLHrLk&nohtml5=False
Also, there was this research conducted. They left meat in the forest, trying to see what animal will get to it first. Guess what ? DEER, A.K.A. FUCKING HERBIVORES GOT TO IT FIRST AND ATE IT.
>>36704508
I like nuclear energy, but the problem of waste disposal and the fact that soccer moms think it's evil pretty much neuter the idea of it happening any time soon. However, ocean wave harvesting, solar, and wind farms all "sound" nice, meaning work could go into improving them without people protesting with "B-but cherry-no-ball!"
>>36704443
so what do you think they do with dead dairy cows?
>>36704518
stop basing your moral behaviour on wild animals.
>>36704481
>not knowing animal agriculture is the leading cause of climate change
>>36704462
>adhomenim this early in bread
step up your game anon
>>36704547
Then from where am I supposed to base my morals around ? The Bible ? Okay, then I will respect God's decision for giving men dominion over animals.
Even herbivores want meat. Nature itself is laughing at you, retard.
>>36704556
>not providing a solution
Seriously, what happens to the cows if we stop farming them all.
Actually, better question, where are we gonna get all of the land required to grow bi(tri?)llions of tons of crops?
Also, will hunting wild animals become illegal? because even if we did find space for all of those crops, the deer would overpopulate and cannibalize each other, and the wild boar (at least in texas/oklahoma in America) would multiply exponentially and destroy all of the newly planet crops.
Also, where are you going to get all of the water? That big ass aquifer in the middle of the U.S. is already being drained at an irreplaceable rate for crop watering, what happens when said crops are exponentially increased?
The only reason people go vegan is just to feel special and important, nothing else. most of them dont even give a shit about animals
and btw, plants give out oxygen, animals dont, kys
>>36704602
>Actually, better question, where are we gonna get all of the land required to grow bi(tri?)llions of tons of crops?
Can't tell if you're kidding or serious
>>36704539
Nuclear waste disposal isn't even problematic.
>>36703891
>>You cannot justify killing when you can buy anything else.
Sorry, but the last 100,000 years of human history disagrees with you. Humans are omnivores, we thrive on both animals and vegetation as sustenance.
>>36704650
/thread
>>36704381
rekt
>>36704592
nice appeal to nature fallacy, base your moral behaviour of your own moral agency, like a real human bean you fuckwit
>>36704602
the world wont go vegan overnight so your hypothetical scenario will never happen.
we use more land using animals
>would overpopulate
>would cannabalise eachother
pick 1
and what the fuck man, do you really think every pig will survive in the wild/ near roads. Use your head.
>>36704615
That isnt true, and even if it was,v why does that justify you killing animals when there is no need to do so?/ funding the '1 cause of climate change, when there is no reason to do so.
You kill more plants than vegans by eating animals. So even with plant arguments (lel) vegans still win
>>36704547
Dead dairy cows are not suitable for human food products.
>>36704650
>>36704657
>2016
>basing our moral behaviour on men who married children and sacrificed humans
time to change
>>36704636
>Not answering the question
Cutting down rain forests is out of the question, and most farm able land is already being used to, well, farm. Indoor growing sounds good in theory, but requires shitloads of electricity for lamps, and have fun finding mass-produce able compost/fertilizer without animal shit.
>>36704664
>lel vegans still win
Cringe Material right there
>>36704615
>>36704664
FYI water living plants produce most of the world's oxygen, not trees
>>36704667
so you think the industry wastes the millions of dairy cows meat?
>>36704662
youve got to be kidding me? PLANTS DOE is rekt...fuck me how dense
>>36704678
Sometimes traditions should be held onto. Why do you think america is voting trump?
>>36704688
>literally stated the fact that meat eaters are responsible for more plant death than vegans
>the meatard was arguing against killing plants
> the meatard was proved wrong
cringe for you guys, and even more cringe now you posted that lol
>>36704435
What do you think happens to all the dairy cows after they're done producing sellable milk? They just let them run free somewhere?
>>36704678
Red herring.
I have never married a child, but I have sacrificed an animal.
>>36704704
some but not killing when there is no need to, especially at the environmental cost
>>36704680
why, rainforest is cut down all the time for cattle, acre a minute. And animals can still be used to graze, dont have to kill them. Plus growing veggies feeds enough for billions of animals, it is enough for us. It requires less land a resources anyway
So your argument comes down to
>don't hurt animals ;_;
Wow sure convinced me
>>36704704
Because some americans are very emotional and feel threatened by the world.
>>36704740
that isnt a red herring, you were the one who said you base values based on how old the values have been around. Fucking dense twat.
Just because ancestors did it, does not make it right to make a sentient being suffer now where there is no need to do so. You cannot refute that.
>>36704749
But the world is threatening and emotive.
>>36704664
>obviously doesn't live anywhere near Texas or Oklahoma
Pigs fuck and reproduce like rabbits, and if it weren't open season, Texas wouldn't have any crops to speak of.
No, they wouldn't survive in the wild, as all of the new farms would simply be breeding/feeding grounds.
And whether it happened all or not, my problem still stands: where is the water going to come from, and where will we get the space?
Honestly, this is all irrelevant. Humans are supposed to eat meat, though i agree plants should be consumed in greater quantities than meat. And unless all/most meat eaters suddenly die, vegans won't really have a huge say in the diets of the average human.
>>36704748
>im a psychopath who wants to hurt animals
>>36704694
He made a farce of your shitty emotional argument. He rekt u real good fgt
>>36704769
>humans are supposed to eat meat
when will this fucking meme die
You have no requirement for it, and eating it in large amounts plaques you arteries.
>>36704741
The veggies we grow for cattle aren't really of high enough quality for human consumption. I don't agree with it, but then again most of the planet is a democracy so i'm bound to disagree with a lot of opinions.
>>36704771
>plants doe
>made a farce
ok buddy
>>36704770
Nice strawman
>>36704762
I can refute that, because I do not subscribe to the idea that any animal (other than humans) is sentient. Killing an animal means nothing to me other than food on the table.
>>36704793
obviously there will be more regulation when it is for us....
>>36704799
says the one who didnt actually justify harming animals for no reason other then maybe fun
you just appealed to ridicule so i did the same.
>>36704806
>im ignoring science
http://www.livescience.com/39481-time-to-declare-animal-sentience.html
plants and fruit etc is food
dead bodies are corpses
>>>36704799
>says the one who didnt actually justify harming animals for no reason other then maybe fun
I didn't give a reason, but since you're so dense it's for food
>you just appealed to ridicule so i did the same.
Keep backpedaling, champ
>>36704794
Except he didn't say >>plants doe.
He used your fallacious argument and turned it around on you in a way that was humorous. He fuckin rekt u m8, gtfo
>>36704806
Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively.
other species have that you moron! even i admit that now as a pseudo vegetarian, starting cutting back on meat 1 week ago, so i aint no vegan activist but dont be dumb mayne
>>36704783
>eating meat plaques your arteries
When will this fucking meme die.
Fat is required for human function, and said fats are easily aquired through meat.
>pic related
This is basically the vegan appeal
>pls dun hurt the animals
>muh environment
>but wait i don't want to get rid of my car
>also i love electricity, it keeps my veggies nice and cold and fresh year round
Seriously if you actually cared about the environment you would stop bitching about mean old omnivores
>having a vehicle powered by anything but your legs
>legitimately caring about the environment
Pick one.
>>36704831
food is not a reason, you can get countless other products
that is an excuse. It is not justifiable to kill a sentient being when you have no need to. You are not stranded on a island.
But you did appeal to ridicule, so thats how i responded, now im responding seriously!?...do you need an adult?
>>36704808
exactly, which means there will be LESS AVAILABLE FOR CONSUMPTION HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU RETARDED.
>>36704818
>looking for argument
>googles generic phrase like "are animals sentient"
>posts first article that caters to his ideology
If animals are sentient, than why do lions, bears, and many other great carnivores still kill and eat humans if given the opportunity, or if they feel threatened. The only reason humans are no longer preyed on by powerful carnivores is because we have the evolutionary prowess to fight them using weapons.
>>36704762
>you cannot refute that
What makes something right and something wrong besides your own beliefs? Vegans entire arguments are based on subjective moral beliefs. We're all entitled to our personal beliefs, but no one can say what is "right" and what is "wrong".
>>36704856
You are literally going against the majority of scientists when you say cholesterol is not the main cause of arterial block.
Ehy the fuck do you think we have ldl guides...
Yes fat is good, newsflash, not all fat is saturated.
Transport is needed, eating animals isnt, and eating animals is more damaging than all transport put together.
Animal suffering is needed to be considered if you are going to cause suffering you cant just type it in a funny way and dodge it.
>>36704859
>food is not a reason, you can get countless other products
>I decide what and what isn't a reason
You're bad at this
>that is an excuse. It is not justifiable to kill a sentient being when you have no need to. You are not stranded on a island.
>need
I want to eat meat. Are you going to somehow argue that my human wants are trumped by your human wants?
>But you did appeal to ridicule, so thats how i responded, now im responding seriously!?...do you need an adult?
I need to argue with an adult, but it seems like I'm arguing with a child or a woman here
>>36704381
>plants have feelings too
Please kill yourself dusu
>>36703891
I'm basically vegan+chicken. The only thing in my diet which isn't vegan is chicken lmao.
>>36704844
I also just googled the word sentience for the sake of this argument. Guess what? I still plan on eating a venison steak tonight on my break. Wanna hear the story of how I killed the deer that's currently in my freezer and whose antlers are making good chew toys for my dog?
>>36704884
food would be a reason if you was going to starve and there was nothing else, if you can get anything else its an excuse
>i just had to explain the difference between an excuse and a reason to an adult
So if i wanted to eat your dog or you rmom then are you going to somehow argue that my human wants are trumped by your human wants?
Nice ad homenim
I'm gonna eat whatever the fuck i want, and you can't stop me.
It feels good that no one will ever take you guys seriously, you have a serious case of "I M RIGHT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT I SAY HURR DURR".
>>36704908
So instead of just changing like a man would and do the right thing, you just use apathy and humour as a security blanked and lash out, how mature.
>>36704912
>food would be a reason if you was going to starve and there was nothing else, if you can get anything else its an excuse
I don't need a reason to pick and choose. This is the 21st century.
>>i just had to explain the difference between an excuse and a reason to an adult
Blah blah blah
>So if i wanted to eat your dog or you rmom then are you going to somehow argue that my human wants are trumped by your human wants?
Are you done with false dichotomies yet?
>Nice ad homenim
Ad hom is when the reply is only "you're wrong because you're stupid". In this case you're simply both.
>>36704921
>vegan
>masculine
pick one
>>36704915
no we state facts
>#1 cause of climate change
>cannot harm sentient beings without justification
>avoiding cholesterol and certain meat is good for you
That is not im right you rwrong, we were on your sidde of the fence too, but keep lashing out kid
>>36704881
>Being the most powerful species on the planet, and wanting to stay that way
>caring about the feelings of literally lesser species
Pick one
The only animals that come close to human intelligence are dolphins and apes, and most 1st world countries don't eat them.
>if you are going to cause suffering you cant just type it in a funny way and dodge it
>Science
>Feelings
Pick one.
Sure, cholesterol builds up in the arteries if you eat a lot of shitty colesterol ridden meat. However, if you consume a proper omnivorous diet, and stay in shape, that's not really an issue until you're like 80, and by then does it really matter how healthy you are? why not enjoy life, as shot as it is?
My diet is pretty balance, so i'm not to worried but even if it wasn't I'd rather die at 50 with a smile on my face than die at 80 thinking about how disgusting the quinoa i just had was.
>>36704921
Surely more mature than a guy that wants to force his views on others.
I'm not even him.
>>36704928
taste is not justification for killing a sentient being, the same line of reasoning you would reject if i was to eat you.
So you are not going to answer the question? oh thats right you dont want your logic to be inconsistent
Nope
>>36704937
>monks
>gladiators
>mr universe
> patrick boobian
>da vinchi
>>36704953
If you knew how much you were offending me you'd stop posting.
>>36704953
Listen, squirt. I'm done listening to you blow hot air and make a fuss over nothing.
The only thing that matters in this world is human wants. Take it or leave it, that's the truth. If I want a steak you have no right to tell me I can't have one unless the steak is yours.
Now fuck off and go right your sociology paper.
>>36704943
il take both, as if we stop needlessly killing other sentient beings and our plant then we will still be the dominant species lol
So compassion should be based on intelligence?
>>36704943
yes it does matter, ive been around plenty of people who have dies (healthcare) and none of them like the last part of there life having chest pains, sob, and worried about an MI or stroke, fuck that
>>36704946
you are in my thread on 4chan, you are not forced, the animals who die for you however are forced
>>36704938
>climate change
There are a fuckin lot of causes for climate change.
>sentient beings
We're higher on the food chain so we eat them, especially if we like it. Who gives a care about their feelings. Does a lion care when it eats you, uf it has a chance?
>avoiding meat is good for you
In moderation it's good, deprivation isn't good at all instead.
>>36704977
>adhomenim that doesnt make sense
i dont study sociology
And look at you lashing out, when confronted with facts and the fact you dont have to cause suffering to animals who have never caused you harm, you lash out...this is /fit/ alpha
>>36704953
>Monks
Not really "Manly", as they get zero poon. If you want to become a monk, feel free. Might keep you from spreading your seed.
>Gladiators
Fucking what...
>Mr universe
He became vegan after using animal products to look as great as he did
>patrick boobian
lmao
>having the name boobian
>being manly
Pick one
>da vinci
Straight from google :
>"There is no strong evidence concluding that Leonardo da Vinci was a vegan."
Grasping at strings now, are we?
>>36704889
>Strawman comic
> So what do you think about people who are not concerned with whether morality is subjective or not, and instead they promote non-violence towards humans and animals.
I think people are free to do what they want.
>>36704993
animal agriculture is hands down the leading cause
we dont need to eat them, we are killing for no reason, that is not justifiable. You are not a lion.
You dont need to eat animals at all.
>>36704881
HOLY FUCK I'M NOT VEGAN AND I KNOW THAT NOT TRUE STFU
>>36705002
please see bite size vegans vide of davinchi, its not biased despite being on a vegan channel before you par it off without even looking at it
The rest of the list are obviously masculine
Nothing magic in meat, he will keep his muscle
>>36705011
the comic directly answers the morality bullshit
>pic related
vegans rekt
>>36704980
Yeah, and I imagine they didn;t actually eat a balanced diet, did they?
And the fact that i have to explain why banning animal killing would lead to humans not being the dominant species kinda makes my point for me.
And yes, compassion should be based on intelligence. two people are in trouble, one of them being a scientist, the other being a model that I really want to bang, logically i should choose to save the scientist first, because that's what is best for society.
Similarly, basing your compassion on anything but what's best for others of your species is illogical and makes
>pic related
>>36704856
you a bitch.
Also, troll captcha lmao
>>36703891
How do you feel about stealing food from animals?
Have you ever met a cow, chicken, or pig? They're fucking assholes
>>36705086
go on then explain it because i would love to know how you think humans will get wiped out if we stop killing animals and let wild numbers drop down to how low they would be now around human environments.
Ending animal agriculture would be best for our species, unless you dont consider global warming a threat to our species...
So if it was a choice between saving your mom and a scientist you would let you r mom die?
>>36705029
>Gladiators were 'mostly vegetarian' -bbc news
Not "vegan". Mostly vegan.
AKA omnivores.
ANd yes, meat is magical as hell. Enjoy eating nuts for protein faggot, i'll continue eating fish and enjoy gaining muscle faster than a lifetime vegan.
>>36705053
>
The straw man is shown to go directly against their beliefs by saying the vegan is wrong, and also says the vegan can't do something based on a moral perspective. The comic in no way proves the morals are not subjective and that the vegan is in the "right" so to say. It's a especially shitty strawman argument the revolves around the strawman lying about their beliefs.
>veganism is definitely, undeniably worse for gains. I don't care how complete the protein is, a leaf will not build muscle like eating muscle will
>it's obviously more ethical to not kill things for pleasure. Whether or not you want to be ethical is a DIFFERENT QUESTION. There's not really any good arguement for being ethical all the time (unless you believe in God or karma or some shit).
Both sides BTFO.
>>36705133
so if they can do what they did on a mostly vegan diet in ancient times you think its hard to get protein in 2016 lol
Also dont be such a n00b, plenty more protein sources than nuts and dead animals
and enjoy your mercury
>>36704011
Lab grown meat could be so awesome. I'm looking forward to that too. Especially if they would be able to essentially make gmo meats with it and have even tastier stuff.
Because you post this same fucking thread 50 times a day
Notice how nobody has ever converted to Jehovah's Witnesses? Yeah
>>36705147
>even though plants have complete amino acids it doesnt work like meats
>>36705157
veganism is a growing movement wtf are you on about
>>36704388
/fit/ is not about being alpha, it's about physical fitness. Or it used to be before /r9k/ faggots like you came.
>>36705176
No one will ever really care about you fags, i hope one day you will understand it.
As long as there is request for it, becaise people like it, and profit to be had eating animals will continue.
>>36703891
>go on /fit/
>start a new thread
>vegan
>guaranteed replies
every time. I don't even know why people bother posting in these.
>>36705224
Because we get fucking triggered by these fuckers that think they can decide what we should do.
>>36705163
I'm a vegan, I know full well it's harder to bulk without milk, eggs, or fuckin steaks.
>>36705129
Firstly, it depends on the punishment for killing animals, and what all we're allowed to do to protect crops. Pesticides aren't okay, obviously those poor bugs don't know any better so why should we protect our crops against locusts?
Or hunt animals known for mass-destruction of farming property (see http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/science-nature/a-plague-of-pigs-in-texas-73769069/).
Will the punishment be death? If so, does that include animal deaths as a result of self defense? will people got on trial for killing an animal?
So aside from the horrific nature of killing bugs and animals that will destroy the trillions of tons of crops needed to sustain human life on earth, will humans be required to leave those wonderful disease ridden rats up in the attic/the walls? Will mosquito spraying be illegal? Where does one draw the line? Seriously, would love to know.
Lastly
>a model that I really want to bang
>my mom
What the fuck is wrong with you. Incest? get outta here with your nasty ass.
In all seriousness, if it came down to it, it would depend on
1. who i was closer to (physically, not emotionally)
2. what field the scientist was in (Pill maker < bioengineer)
3. which one i can actually lift (my mom is still losing weight)
4. who was in more danger. If the scientist had a concussion, but my mother was missing a limb/bleeding out, obviously she would take priority.
All of those questions were besides the point though, you used a woman who raised me and who has formed a deep phycological bond with me, as opposed to the example of a skinny blonde with a tight ass that i used.
Of course my first impulse would be to help my mother, but that's evolution, no logic.
>>36705150
>using the word n00b
underage b8 detected, gtfo.
>>36703891
>The Saturated Fat meme
Stopped reading there. Leave this place and don't return until you can squat 4PLAYT
>>36705238
Just eat whatever you want. I seriously don't understand where you people live that you are exposed to vegans "pushing their vegan ways on people," or similar things that's posted in every vegan thread.
I have never in my life seen a vegan or vegetarian act in any way to push their dietary choices onto anyone else. They just don't eat meat. Maybe for you guys it's like the fat chicks you read about in fat hate threads saying they get triggered by seeing someone run or hearing someone talk about their exercise. You guys just get triggered by seeing someone not eat meat or hearing someone say they don't eat meat.
Just eat whatever the fuck you want to. I seriously don't understand the problem and feel like I must be missing out on something because of it.
>>36703891
when will this meme die?
>>36703928
>plenty of vegan athletes.
I'm sure you won't have troubles naming them then. And don't start with Daniel Bryan. For one thing, he couldn't maintain vegan diet on the road. He's also kill.
>>36705302
>I seriously don't understand where you people live that you are exposed to vegans "pushing their vegan ways on people," or similar things that's posted in every vegan thread.
Except they're pushing their ways in EVERY SINGLE VEGAN THREAD ON THE GODDAMN FITNESS BOARD
Take this autism to /ck/ where it belongs.
>>36705302
Then you are a good guy.
I ve met and heard of vegans that try to tell us that what we eat is wrong, and that they are right, and they try to force you. I always want to slaughter these fuckers.
Or you could just... ya know, raise your own animals and not treat them like dirt.
>>36705345
That's just because it gets replies every fucking time. And tons of them. I mean, I wouldn't even be surprised if the person(s) who start these threads aren't even vegan, they just do it to see how many jimmies they can rustle up.
>>36705426
Bet money that's exactly what's going on.
Hiro needs to get his shit together and banish these people to /ck/
>>36703928
No important ones
>>36705302
Its bait but whatevs...
"Squeaky wheel gets the grease"
Seriously the dickhole in the group gets the attention because he's an asshole. And if he keeps saying that he's vegan and everyone else is a murderer peolpe will pay way more attention to that.
You also would be bias since any protest or discussion against a non vegan lifestyle wouldn't apply to you.
I know alot of nice vegans who just mind their own buisness and we mind ours in kind. In fact we make sure theirs vegan options when they're around.
I also know assholes who are vegan and feel like they were put on this earth to convert everyone, and everything to a plant based life style.
I care about the wellbeing of animals less than I enjoy eating them.
>>36704690
"aquatic"
America couldn't even ban alcohol properly. A drug that kills millions, tears apart family's, and ruins lives. Meat is far more healthy and its misuse is far less catastrophic. If you are interested in making society healthier you are picking a losing battle.
>>36705514
/ck/ here, we don't want these retarded cultist threads either. Send them to /pol/.
>>36705093
Hahaha using their own logic against them... nice.
>>36705345
>discussing something in a thread made for discussion of that particular topic is FORCING YOURSELF UPON ME I'M LITERALLY BEING RAPED!!!!!
Jesus christ....
>>36703891
>why is /fit/ not vegan yet?
Because we're not mentally ill, or at least not ill in that way. Does your doctor know you're browsing the 4chins, kid?
>>36705176
Because there are actually reasonable vegans who aren't obnoxious faggots.
>>36705798
>its misuse is far less catastrophic
heart disease is literally the #1 killer in America
>>36704908
Recipe?
>>36705976
But heart disease isn't only caused by eating meat. Deaths from drunk driving are cause completely by consuming alcohol.
>>36706018
No they aren't. They are caused by a number of factors.
And who even dies in drunk driving accidents? Are we in the midst of a drunk driving epidemic?
>>36703891
>why is /fit/not vegan yet?
Because I like the taste of meat, milk, eggs, cheese and choclate-milk :3
>>36703891
>why is /fit/not vegan yet?
Because I enjoy the taste of meat more than I dislike killing animals
If I had to slaughter my own meat I would do it in a heartbeat
>>36706074
>If I had to slaughter my own meat I would do it in a heartbeat
It's a good feeling if the meat serves you eating pleasure.
Did it myself a few times.
>>36703891
Listen, cunt:
1. YOU ARE NOT VEGAN. You're just a shitty troll
2. VEGAN IS A CHOICE, not an imperative.
3. There is NO compelling reason to be vegan.
4. I LIKE MEAT AND DAIRY PRODUCTS, am at least as healthy (healthier, in fact) than any vegan you care to name, and you can't change my mind.
5. I'm going to go eat some DELICIOUS, NUTRITIOUS CHICKEN right now, and NOTHING can stop me. Suck it, vegans.
6. SAGED. Won't bump your shitty bait thread.
7. DRINK BLEACH AND DIE.
8. /thread
>>36703910
How does this one even make sense? Vegans try way too hard.
>>36703920
>>36703955
>>36703996
>>36704377
Yes, animals are sentient. So is anything else with sensory receptors. Does anyone even understand the difference between sentient and sapient? If something is potentially sapient, THEN there should be a huge controversy over eating it. For example, dolphins, primates, etc.
I'm not advocating painful or careless deaths mind you, just that the act of eating meat shouldn't be such a controversial subject. It's stupid. If you don't like animal suffering, advocate for stricter laws and enforcement regarding how livestock are killed instead of bitching and whining online. Eating meat is natural. Omnivores and carnivores have been around for millions of years and there's no reason to police that now.
>>36706311
>you can't change my mind
Meat eaters in a nutshell
>>36703891
OP, your pic, it's inaccurate.
In real life, it's actually almost exclusively the opposite.
All vegans I've known (a relatively small number, fewer than 30, more than 20) have been extremely vocal about their distaste for meat and animal products, and have always claimed the moral high ground. Meanwhile, most regular people (who happen to eat meat, because it is a biological imperative only recently combattable) I know have no problem with vegans doing what they choose to do as long as they don't impinge on the rights of the people around them (for example, by throwing fake blood on them or trying to convince them that meat is murder and they should feel guilty for it and atone for it).
>>36705326
Tony Gonzalez, Venus and Serena Williams, Carl Lewis, Mac Danzig, Nate Diaz, Molly Cameron, Jehina Malik, Fiona Oakes, Cam Awesome, Tia Blanco, James Southwood, Steph Davis, David Carter, John Joseph, Scott Jurek, David Smith, Jake Shields, Brendan Brazier, just to name a few.
>>36706506
Lots of dolphins are killed as 'Bycatch' in the nets that they use to catch the fish that people actually consume.
>>36706579
As if you needed another reason to eat salmon instead of tuna.
>>36706554
OP's pic is quite effective at showing typical vegan brain damage, trying to equate meat with murder as you said.
I don't give a fuck about the ethics of veganism/meat eating. This board is about fitness, so can't our vegan thread be about idk..HEALTH? I want to know the health aspect of it.
>>36706640
'kay. Vegans have to deal with incomplete protein sources, do not have access to any non-powder lean protein, and have to supplement specific nutrients to be completely healthy. It's a gimped diet from a fitness point of view. Omnivore and vegetarian diets are vastly preferable.
>>36704388
Holy moley, a lot of you if not trolling are really really quite stupid. I agree with you OP, I don't think a lot of these posters have the brain capacity for this sort of discussion though.
>>36706704
Its time to stop posting, OP.
>>36706704
>vegan trolls attempting to call others out on lack of brain capacity
oy vey
>>36705300
And you still falling for the saturated fat is good meme spread out by fucking retards on the fitness industry only to ignore all the other studies.
Saturated fat is known to raise serum blood lipids and to induce pro inflammatory changes ( more toll like receptors) and LPS induced endotoxemia. But of course, keep believing that you faggot.
"Saturated fat (cream) intake leads to an increase in LPS and LBP, the increased expression of TLR-4 and SOCS-3, as well as other proinflammatory changes, whereas glucose intake induces only oxidative stress, inflammation, and SOCS-3 expression but not endotoxemia or an increase in TLR-4 expression (3). It would, therefore, appear that fats are potentially more injurious than glucose and possibly other carbohydrates".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3263893/
>True men protect those weaker
..aaaaaaaand ya lost me.
>>36703891
>Is healthier
Long term vegetarian diet changes human DNA raising risk of cancer and heart disease
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-03/mbae-aww032416.php
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/long-term-vegetarian-diet-changes-human-dna-raising-risk-of-canc/
>is more alpha
irrelevant
> All protein myths debunked
irrelevant
>>36706432
it's making fun of the morons who counter vegans with "but you kill plants too!"
meat tastes good
>>36706780
>Long term vegetarian diet changes human DNA raising risk of cancer and heart disease
It takes some keen desperation to resort to articles like this
Reposting from another thread:
The article is reporting on a gene that's been found to be more common in more plant-focused cultures like Africa, India, and east Asia. This gene allows for more efficient elongation of omega fats, from short-chain PUFA to long-chain PUFA. There's no reason to believe that this is bad or would lead to higher risk of heart disease or cancer.
Why they're reporting it as a bad thing is their assumption that this adaptation would lead to more arachidonic acid being produced, which is a long-chain omega-6 fat, and that this AA would lead to inflammation, which would be assumed to raise heart disease and cancer risk. That's it.
The American Heart Association put out a paper years ago explaining why assumptions about omega-6, arachidonic acid, and inflammation are bullshit
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/119/6/902.full
According to that AHA paper, this gene would be expected to be beneficial, not detrimental.
>>36706854
New to this thread but
>Higher omega-6 PUFA intakes can inhibit the conversion of α-linolenic acid to eicosapentaenoic acid,79 but such conversion is already quite low,80
AHA also advocates consuming long chain omega 3s, which would presumably offset any adverse effects.
>>36706565
Guarantee 90% of those are on roids, if not 100%. Argument invalidated.
>>36706997
I saw nothing about inhibiting omega-3 elongation in the paper the articles are about. It's just a gene that makes elongating PUFA easier. It's more widespread in cultures that eat more plant-based diets because it's a beneficial gene there.
Here's another article that talks about this and how journalists can say stupid things when prowling for things to report on.
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/04/07/despite-recent-reports-vegetarianism-not-cause-cancer/
>>36707023
Every famous athlete is on roids.
>>36704435
The are fast food meat. Learn to google
>>36704928
Your such a faggot with your anime shit
>>36707078
Exactly, so their diet is irrelevant.
>>36703891
>2050-34
>STILL using the BS saturated fat argument
>>36707200
>being retarded on purpose
>>36707069
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/04/04/molbev.msw049.full
>Homo sapiens evolved eating a diet characterized by 4:1 to 1:1 ratio of n-6/n-3 PUFA (Eaton et al. 1998). Based on the diet of evolutionary adaptedness, the overall n-6/n-3 estimate was found to be about 0.79 (Eaton et al. 1998), whereas, the modern Western diet has undergone an extraordinary increase in n-6 LA resulting in a ratio above 10/1, and is likely to be even higher in the Indian diet, estimated to be 20–50 (Raheja et al. 1993; Simopoulos 2002). Substantial evidence has accumulated that this dramatic shift is a risk factor for lifestyle-related diseases, such as cardiovascular disorders, diabetes, cancer, and inflammation-related diseases (Raheja et al. 1993; Simopoulos 2002). Most commercially produced seed oils, sunflower, safflower, peanut, grapeseed, cottonseed and corn, contain very high levels of n-6 LA; individuals with I/I genotype having higher metabolic capacity to convert precursors to longer chain PUFA may be at increased risk for proinflammatory disease states as they efficiently convert LA to ARA. Put another way, individuals with the I/I genotype may be vulnerable to ill-health when adopting a diet rich in n-6 LA which severely reduce synthesis of anti-inflammatory n-3 LCPUFA because n-6 competes with n-3 to access the Δ-6 desaturase enzyme. Moreover, n-6 PUFA compete with and antagonize against incorporation of n-3 PUFA into tissue (Alvheim et al. 2012), challenging the metabolic requirement for structural n-3 PUFA that are especially concentrated in neural tissue (Diau et al. 2005).
Drizzling oils onto everything would make it worse. The more active version is the ancestral variant, possibly for the ancestral healthier plant-based diet we had with optimal n-3:n-6 ratio. The newer less active enzyme can then be seen as an adaptation to the contemporary diet with its skewed ratio.
Just posting to show support to a vegan diet, OP I applaud you for being able to be so patient with these dense people.
>>36703891
VEGETARIAN CONTINENT INDIA HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF TYPE 2 BEETUS IN THE WORLD. 62,000,000 PAJEETS & COUNTING FALLING LIKE FLIES!
Checkmate, vegan cucks.
>>36707248
VEGAN DIET IS CARBS. CARBS CAUSE BEETUS. SHOW YOURSELF OUT.
It is predicted that by 2030 diabetes mellitus may afflict up to 79.4 million individuals in India, while China (42.3 million) and the United States (30.3 million) will also see significant increases in those affected by the disease
>2016
>morality
>>36707301
Fuck you, India is great, our space program is top-tier
Superpower by 2030
>>36703891
>2016
>not realizing clearing land for farming displaces just as much wildlife
>>36704435
they get turned into meat patties etc, think burger king mcdonalds etc
>>36707331
YOU STORE an unfortunate amount of body fat, pajeet.
>>36707242
AHA paper already posted points out the misguided line of reasoning about omega-6 and inflammation. While having a bunch of refined oils in your diet probably isn't a great thing for several reasons, the issue with that really has nothing to do with vegetarian diets or this set of genetic adaptations.
>>36703891
>More alpha
>Alpha male
>A term coined to describe the leader of a pack of wolves
>Wolves are carnivores and kill every meal they eat
>Usually they don't even wait for the animal to die before they start eating
>Don't give a shit about causing suffering in other animals for the sake of food
Nah, I think vegan is pretty much the least alpha thing you can do
>>36707398
Omega 6 excess might be fine, functional omega 3 deficiency isn't. Their guidelines issue a solution to that (long chain omega 3 consumption)
>, the issue with that really has nothing to do with vegetarian diets or this set of genetic adaptations
>and is likely to be even higher in the Indian diet, estimated to be 20–50 (Raheja et al. 1993; Simopoulos 2002)
It apparently does
>>36707331
Not until your country stops having flare-ups of bubonic plague
>>36704592
Yup, you're right. Those are the only two options. If you don't follow the advice of the bible, your only choice is to emulate animals. Are you trying to decide if you should cheat on your wife? Just do what a goat would do. Should you donate to charity? Observe some bears, see if make any charitable donations.
>>36707183
>diet is irrelevant
No, diet is good enough. Roids aren't proteins.
>>36706044
Alchohol kills people at a younger age, has a higher death rate, and causes more damage than meat by a huge margin. I'm not suggesting people try prohibition again but if America couldnt successfully ban a consumable product that causes as much damage to society as alcohol does then what chance do you have with a "meat prohibition"
>being fit
>being vegan
pick one
LOL at vegans getting BTFO
>>36707548
>ratio of 20-50
When your ratio is that fucked, that's more likely an omega-3 deficiency in the diet, not a problem of excess omega-6.
As omega-6 and the concerns about the ratio relate to inflammation, which is the basis of those articles, the AHA paper points out that, like omega-3, omega-6 also has anti-inflammatory properties and has been shown to lower the risk of heart disease, and not specifically when supplemented with long-chain omega-3s.
I want to say the best those journalists would be able to say is "vegetarians in India who cook with safflower oil may have more inflammation than vegetarians in India who don't," but even that would be too much of an assumption since there's not actually any data to go off of
>>36703891
I'm fine with the "vegetalian" aka "strict vegetarian" diet; I'm thorn about the vegan philosophy.
For a vegan, we shouldn't test meds on animals. While I appreciate their respect for any kind of animal life; even if I can share with them the indignation for useless experiment on animals (e.g. to test a new lipstick); I'd personally go hunting baby seals if torturing them alive could grant a vaccine or a cure against a human disease.
I've also listened to a vegan that said he would refuse meds - even if he were about to die - if he learned that such medication was tested on animals. This is batshit insane, Jehovah's Witnesses style. He equalized completely human life and animal life. I understand the empathy, but there's an end to that too.
Ok, you don't want to wear leather: I may sympathize with that. But some vegans are violent and say they would rather have human killed rather than animals killed, if the total number of saved lives is positive. This is ISIS-level insane.
t. macrobiotic pescetarian
>>36707733
you didn't look at the thread closely, jamal
>>36704565
you write like a teenager, and you spell like a retard.
>>36707773
Yeah I feel about the same. To have compassion for animals is a good, reasonable quality (unless we're talking insects, sea sponges, etc. in which case it's a bit silly), but to treat a non-human animal's life as equal to a human life is insane and immoral.
>>36706311
kek desu senpai you just admitted to being close minded. who hurt you anon
>>36705272
Not this guy but this is a classic post that gets completely ignored as soon as logic enters the equation. Unless you literally call the other person every name under the son there will be no reply. As soon as an appeal to logic is made the arguers scatter. If you don't reply and concede ground you will never be better. DIALECTICS PEOPLE LOOK IT UP
>>36705302
>I seriously don't understand where you people live that you are exposed to vegans "pushing their vegan ways on people,"
I work in an office where 2/4 people in that office are vegetarian/vegan and that 4 includes me. I've been in countless debates, started by them, about the ethics, economics and health benefits of veganism. My ex also turned vegan* overnight when we broke up and became insufferable because of it. Arguing achieves nothing and gets my back up. I don't pick fights with vegans, I don't tell them they're wrong and I don't even ask about the lifestyle, yet I get drawn into these arguments time and time again because they feel their beliefs are more valid than my lifestyle choices.
99% of people who argue the economics or health benefits (of either side) aren't qualified to do so. Hell, in this thread alone we've got arm chair environmentalists, economists and health experts throwing scientific journals they've skim read and don't understand to convince people that I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE SILLY. What people are really arguing is "I (don't) want to eat animals and animal products", based on a deeply ingrained diet formed over 18+ years and fortified by the desire to be right. You will change nothing.
*Fun fact, one of her motivations for going vegan was "all vegans are healthy and slim, so if I go vegan, I'll be like that". 10 months later, she hasn't lost a visible pound. Meanwhile I've made gains/fat loss than would make her moister than when we were together. I'm not a vegan.
>>36704388
>killing our planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTIsI95IscY
>>36704799
that fucking picture dude
holy shit
>>36707754
>not a problem of excess omega-6.
Depends on how much. If it's high the amount of short-chain n-3 PUFA you need to overcome competitive inhibition is calorically costly and adding long-chain n-3 PUFA is impractical for these populations. Better to just lower n-6 by subbing with a more balanced vegetable fat or getting rid of some of it entirely
>As omega-6 and the concerns about the ratio relate to inflammation, which is the basis of those articles, the AHA paper points out that, like omega-3, omega-6 also has anti-inflammatory properties and has been shown to lower the risk of heart disease, and not specifically when supplemented with long-chain omega-3s.
None of these are powered to decipher effects pertinent to someone with high SC n-6:n-3 ratio without long-chain n-3 PUFA, either supplemented or present in the background diet, for long enough durations of time to establish mild n-3 deficiency. That's unquestionably pro-inflammatory and increases disease risk. And while someone on a fiberless diet chugging lard down erryday will have a higher risk of heart disease and more inflammation compared to someone else on a fiberless diet with no lard, neither are really desirable states to be in senpai
>I want to say the best those journalists would be able to say is "vegetarians in India who cook with safflower oil may have more inflammation than vegetarians in India who don't," but even that would be too much of an assumption since there's not actually any data to go off of
It's sensationalized bullshit but the authors and not the journalists ideas build on a lot of previous work and have validity that your AHA paper doesn't even attempt to refute
>>36707544
vegan = shitty hunter who couldn't even steal some eggs or milk without being killed by the bird/cow
>>36704388
>the animals we eat are harmless anyway
Mate have you ever been chased down by a turkey or goose? Rammed by a sheep? They're vicious bastards who deserve to die
>>36704867
>>>36704688
how retarded do you have to be to think producing billions more veggies and grain will be problematic because not all of them will be picked.
>>36704870
because they dont have moral agency?! that doesnt mean they are not sentient, and live science and the studies are not refuted anywhere in your post so fuck you
>>36704508
>planet not overpopulated
Yes it is. The third world is overpopulating the planet. The only reason the planets population is increasing is because of the third world breeding like rabbits. Most of the worlds people live in third world poverty, millions upon millions of people are born into it every year. This only compounds the problem and makes a solution less and less likely every day. Of course the worlds overpoulated
>vegans telling /fit/ what to do
Might as well go to a mosque dressed as a jew
>>36705272
Using pesticides is needed, we have a right to live and feed ourselves.
Using pesticides has nothing to do with slitting animal throats for fun. Red herring.
Obviously people wont go on trial for killing in self defence, nice red herring
Look at how much you are grasping straws... yes you will have to put up with infestiations and die of disease if you go vegan because then you are not allowed to defend yourself or keep a quality of life.
Man just shut the fuck up. And no i just proved your dumbass thing wrong, you would pick a lot of people over a random scientist and you know this.
>>36703891
>healthy
>needs vitamin shots to not die
>>36706095
>it feels good to kill an animal who i did not have any need to kil
>>36706631
yeah nothing about top quote is anything like murder at all, nope killing is nothing to do with murder
>>36706666
this is all debunked, why are you spouting bullshit? What happened to when people who knew what they was talking aout posted here.
Beans and rice = complete protein
n>>36706729
no refute to anything in thread
>lets call vegans names now
>>36707023
this is a meatards logic
>>36707333
it literally does not
>>36707544
alpha doesnt mean wolf in this context big guy, do you understand??
Also you are not a wolf, you are a human, did you get lost otherkin?
>>36704547
Stop ignoring how wild animals behave. The problem with you vegans is that you fail to realize that the only way to end animal suffering is to end animal life as a whole.
Either it's okay to kill animals for food or we need to get rid of all animals which eat animals for food.
If you have a problem with actual abuse being done by greedy corporations, then fight to improve animal rights laws and supervisation of these companies. Most of the crap you guys complain about are already illegal, except you'd rather complain about it online without saying names than report it to anyone who can actually put an end to it.
I don't like vegans and don't want to be one, but even if i wanted i couldn't because i'm poor and can't afford all this bullshit gay ass vegan food.
>>36709534
>takes protein supllements
>pre workout
> drinks booze
>does drugs
>lives in 21st century
HEY DONT TAKE THAT 1 VIT PILL THATS NOT NATURAL AND ITS UNHELTHY
>>36709600
Red herring, what a surprise.
It is not ok for humans to kill for food when there is no need to do so. These wild animals NEED to kill to live, they also NEED flesh to survive.
Why does a lion eating a gazelle justify killing animals when there is no need to do so?
These animals also lack moral agency.
>>36709617
so you dont like people who dont kill animals for no reason and who dont fund #1cause of global warming.... eating vegan is not expensive at all
>>36709641
>It is not ok for humans to kill for food when there is no need to do so.
Why not? And who says it's not necessary?
>These animals also lack moral agency.
So do psychopaths, and those are given death sentences in a lot of countries.
>>36707688
Don't have to. There are many fit vegans.
>>36707317
It's also been shown that vegan diets can treat and reverse type two diabetes...without medication.
>>36709620
I literally do none of those except live in 21st century of course.
>>36707331
Will you start using toilets by 2030 as well? I'm sorry but no country can be a superpower if has designated 'shitting beaches'
>>36709641
>eating vegan is not expensive at all
Not where i live you vegan fuck.
>>36707616
And roids cause an increase in muscle mass regardless of diet and activity
>>36709567
>this is all debunked
Did your mother drop you on the head when you were a kid, or is it just the creatine deficiency talking? The fewer animal products you eat, the fewer complete sources of protein you have access to and the more you have to pay attention to complementary sources. There exists no such thing as a plant based food with more than ~40% protein by calories (ie not lean) that isn't a protein powder concentrate. And the list of micronutrients that vegans are exceedingly likely to be deficient in without special attention and supplementation includes vitamin B12, creatine, carnosine, omega-3 DHA, heme-iron and sulphur.
Also, while I'm here, I'm going to make fun of vegans refusing to eat honey. Can't farm those bees, that would be cruel. They might do horrible horrible things like pollinate all those fruits the vegantards like to eat.
>>36709757
It's also been shown that many other dietary changes can reverse type 2 diabetes without medication
>>36707023
You're moving goalposts. They said to name a few vegan athletes, I did. It doesn't matter whether they are on steroids or not.
Also: Tony Gonzalez is an NFL player, Scott Jurek is an ultramarthoner, he regularly runs over 20 miles a week. Nate Diaz (a vegan MMA fighter) won against Connor McGregor not too long ago. Fiona Oakes is a marathohn runner who's won three world records. Cam Awesome is an amateur boxer who won the US title in 2008, 2010, and 2013.
All of these people have set records or won awards in their respective fields, but a meat-eater would have us believe that they are slowly dying of malnutrition.
>>36704888
>animals have feelings too
Please kill yourself dusu
>>36709851
But can they also treat and reverse heart disease, reduce risk of several types of cancer, and cure hypertension?
I don't like vegans because I don't give a shit what you eat, so you don't have to tell me you're a vegan.
>>36709641
>#1 cause of global warming
Firstly, no. Secondly, you're starting from the conclusion and working your way backwards to attempt to justify yourself, so still no.
>>36709872
So can lots of other diets. Especially when partnered with exercise
>>36709869
Well, they do. The error that the vegantards make is deciding that feelings are supremely important. They aren't. In fact, by themselves they're worthless chemical signals.
>>36709885
This. Countries like China pumping tons of poisonous gases into the atmosphere is the #1 cause of global warming. China has already exceeded it's limit for pollutant production this year
Only vegans give a shit what other people eat. You don't see non-vegans trying to get vegans to turn. It's always the other way.
>>36709909
Aside from being wrong, what the idiot is doing and hoping nobody will notice is lumping *all* animal agriculture into one group when 80+% of GHGs from that sector are from ruminants. Then somehow suggesting that acting to reduce GHGs would necessitate getting rid of all of it.
>>36709926
this
>>36709620
That's besides the point, with a normal diet you don't need shots at all, you can get all the nutrients you need from food, while a vegan diet has at least one deficiency that i know of and you NEED to take shots.
>>36709709
because there is no need to do so, just like i cant kill you with no need. And cmon now you are not in a tribe or survival situation
Yes, but they cannot conceptualise morality, you can. Dont be dense.
>>36709786
fair 1, but the pill argument is so dumb
>>36709805
sure, you live in an alt reality where rice, pasta, and staple fruits and veggies are expensive sure lol
>>36709832
im an adult so eating isnt very hard. Especially when it comes to getting m-muh protein, its one of the easiest things to get, apart from carbs
>>36709869
they do tho
>>36709885
you cant change facts no matter how much you want it to be true.
>>36709901
noboy has said that, just that causing suffering and/or harm to sentient beings does require justification for doing so. "to eat" may have cut it thousands of years ago but not now
>>36709926
yeah because, most people dont even realise/want to know the consequqnces of their actions, sorry for stating facts
>>36709977
yes because its 2016, we no longer drink untreated water and food straight from the soil. But i do eat marmite and drink soy milk, so i dont even need a shot, i take a pill every now and then to make sure. Next excuse...
damn dawg nice bait look at all the posts
9/19
>>36709961
>all animal agriculture
>80%+ from ruminants
So basically all animal agriculture. What's the other 20%? As soon as countries start taking steps to stop pumping pollutants from smoke stacks into the atmosphere, then we can talk about animal agriculture
>>36709977
I dont take shots. You can get b12 in fortified foods that are really yummy.
>>36709894
Sauce. Without medication.
>>36709909
The UN released a report stating that animal agriculture causes 51% of GHG emissions.
