Is this watery, blue, bland liquid good for you?
I've heard that it isn't, but what are the facts?
>>36701435
i dont mind it, helps wash tablespoons of peanut butter down, as for health idk. i saw some milk commercial a few years ago that said one glass of skim milk a day helps promote fat burning but idk literally nothing else i've found confirmed it.
i'd consider the skim milk meme horseshit and just drink the real stuff, let housewives and fags whine over that shit
>>36701753
>and just drink the real stuff
That's even worse. Skimmed milk is recommended because it's lower in saturated fat. Whole milk isn't a good alternative.
Isn't it just milk watered down?
>>36701435
Milk in general is not healthy. That includes milk products like cheese and whey.
>>36701879
No as its defatted
>>36701825
saturated fats arent necessarily bad, some say they're even better
>>36701435
Isn't it just milk with less fat? Then it's good for you. Milk with fat is also good for you.
Milk is good.
>>36701825
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26016870
>>36701947
They are bad though
>>36702245
>AS and HL-M were employed by Dairy Sweden
The dairy salesmen just fed different dairy products to overweight men and women who had high cholesterol and found that butter was worse than milk when comparing equal amounts of saturated fat.
>>36702245
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8116537
>>36702632
>The dairy salesmen
wow rude
It shows that the biological effects aren't the same and it might be naive to extrapolate risk in the traditional fashion. The data isn't so clear cut
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26791181
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22810464
Specifically, the recent Dutch dietary guidelines say
"A distinction between the effects of low-fat and high-fat dairy produce was not possible, because of insufficient evidence."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27049034
>>36701952
not 4 me senpai that shit triggers my eczema. why am i even in this thread?
>>36702666
Compared to skim milk it raises LDL-C and ApoB. But LDL-P and VLDL-P may still be better with whole
>>36702926
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26791181
Another study showing some SFA are worse than others, but due to the nature of the cohort, you can't really use this to say the milk fat wasn't harmful.
>Perhaps our analyses were limited by the small SFA intake range (IQR: 13.2–16.6% of energy) at a high mean intake level (15.0% of energy). In populations with SFA intakes covering a wider range, the association may be different from our study.
SFA is supposed to be under 7% of calories and at least under 10%. A cohort of people eating 15% of their calories from saturated fat but milk fat being less harmful than diets higher in meat fat isn't good evidence that avoiding milk fat as well isn't beneficial. There's no comparison group eating low SFA from all sources.
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22810464
"It is important to consider the limitations of these studies. As discussed above, it is difficult to separate dairy fat from other dairy components in observational studies. It would therefore be reasonable to conclude that none of the studies conducted thus far were truly able to isolate the health effect of the dairy fat per se, making it impossible to draw any conclusions about whether the consumption of high-fat or low-fat dairy may be more beneficial."
>>36701900
>whey
What's wrong with whey? Insulin and IGF-1?
>>36701900
>>36703808
I'm going to bed, but pls respond. I'm not arsed about prostate cancer et al.
Has there been any research on it being detrimental to performance in athletes not fatties with T2DM? Thanks.
>>36703553
>you can't really use this to say the milk fat wasn't harmful
>isn't good evidence that avoiding milk fat as well isn't beneficial
Let me make my position clearer: Whole milk /could/ have a higher threshold for harm v. other sources of saturated fat and the opinion that skim milk must be always be superior to whole milk is overconfident and premature.
>"It is important to consider the limitations of these studies. As discussed above, it is difficult to separate dairy fat from other dairy components in observational studies. It would therefore be reasonable to conclude that none of the studies conducted thus far were truly able to isolate the health effect of the dairy fat per se, making it impossible to draw any conclusions about whether the consumption of high-fat or low-fat dairy may be more beneficial."
Exactly. This topic needs to be investigated further. Here's another example, much more /fit/-relevant
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16679981
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25163913
