What do you guys think about paleo diet?
Shitty application of plausible conjecture
>>36626820
in that case, if done right, it should work fine?
>>36626820
This
>>36626835
Not saying it doesnt work, it just doesnt work for the reasons you think it does
>>36626805
Shitty meme pseudoscience
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/paleo-diets-may-negate-benefits-of-exercise/
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/paleolithic-lessons/
http://nutritionfacts.org/2014/09/23/will-the-real-paleo-diet-please-stand-up/
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/paleopoo-what-we-can-learn-from-fossilized-feces/
>>36626835
Eat whole foods from natural/organic sources. Be smart about it.
Don't cut out entire food groups. Don't eat tons of meat because 'caveman'. Focus on fruit and veg mostly.
There, a healthy version of paleo.
>>36626805
Good principles but people get retarded about it and shitters don't understand that it's not trying to eat like a paleolithic person.
>>36626865
>nutritionfacts.org
>>36626805
It's the crossfit of dieting, people on it never shut the fuck up about it.
Hunter-gatherer diets vary a lot: some are meat-heavy, some are plant-heavy. It isn't realistic to talk about "the Paleo diet" because if you look at people living the hunter-gatherer lifestyle today they improvise with whatever is available. There are some similarities like they won't eat much processed food or a lot of grains, and I doubt they're ever vegetarian or vegan out of choice. I think that's a sensible way to eat (with the grains as an open question, it doesn't seem clear either way) but it also isn't very specific.
>>36626865
"nutritionfacts"
ok anon.
>>36628355
>>36628385
What's wrong with Nutritionfacts.org?
Thinking that something is a good thing to do just because people did it 50,000 years ago is as stupid as it sounds.
>>36628460
He has a reputation of misrepresenting evidence to suit his agenda. I'm not an expert on it, but the example I know is he used a study showing higher hip fractures in Scandinavia as evidence that dairy reduces bone density (since Scandinavia have higher than average dairy intake as well) while ignoring that Scandinavia have ice on the pavements much of the year.
>>36628524
As a Scandinavian I can tell you that what you just wrote is nonsense. Ice on the pavement most of the year? No. Even if it was a problem it doesn't explain why Scandinavia has higher number of hip fractures than other countries with the same icy winters.
>>36626805
meme inbound
>>36628542
much, not most. And if I remember rightly he didn't compare their rates with other northern countries, he was comparing them with southern countries. That isn't the only example anyway, you'll have to look into it.
>>36628460
confirmation bias and cherry picking. He's the vegan equivalent of Dr. Mercola.
>>36628524
How someone can think that dairy reduces bone density is incredible, if this was true mammalian species would be fucked.
>>36628592
Few mammal species drink milk in adulthood, humans being a distinct exception to the rule.
>>36628524
egg/dairy/meat board internet defence plz go
he is ripping you guys a new asshole in every video
>>36628631
My point is that mammals at their weakest and most vulnerable and at the the point in their lives when they are growing the fastest survive on a diet of 100% dairy, its ridiculous to think mammals would have evolved to subsist (in this critical growth period) on something that would a have detrimental effects on the skeleton.
>>36628571
except for the fact that mercola is an obvious egg/dairy/meat hired gun.
if i'm a clueless retard who can't into science i'll ake his side instead of the egg/dairy/meat boards.
>>36628460
>>36628524
>>36628571
OK I just did some research.
It seems he ignores any studies that suggest animal based foods are good for you and highlights any studies that conclude that they are bad.
It's not hard to see that he is pushing a vegan agenda.
However, despite this, his recommendations in favour of eating a vegan diet are usually fairly sound and based on actual scientific research.
Robb Wolf is the only one that actually knows what he's talking about with this shit. Everyone else is just trying to turn it into an empik meme and profit on it.
>>36626805
it's just half assed repackaged keto. do atkins and cut the bullshit
>>36628661
>fairly sound
>based on actual scientific research
Bad scientific research is bad, and shouldn't be considered sound
>>36628460
Everything you should know.
>>36626820
Which was later shown to be rather implausible after further studies showed humans incorporated grains etc into their diets much earlier than previously thought
>>36631247
Are you talking about the recent archaeological find of signs of oat-processing at a paleolithic site? I haven't heard of any other evidence that the underlying assumptions of paleo are wrong.
>>36631210
Pure coincidence
A healthy balanced diet should include lots of vegetables, good amounts of protein and fat, and not much processed flour or sugar.
Keeping to a paleo diet (or a gluten-free diet, for that matter), lets you meet these guidelines. But you can also ignore the strict rules of those diets and just generally eat well, and it won't look all that different from paleo.
>>36631355
/thread
>>36631355
the main thing is the lack of grains and dairy, they are major staples of the western diet.
>>36631336
riiiight wink wink Ezra ;)
>>36628542
Gtfo Oslonigger
Stupid meme diet. Eating fresh meat over processed is good, and most people should wat more veggies, but their is nothing wrong with eating grains. It's not outside our metabolitic adaptation. It's been with us for so long even DOGS can eat (some) grains because of proximity to humans
>>36631634
Eat, not wat
>>36631634
Why wouldn't dogs be able to eat grains anyway? I would expect if you take a wild wolf and feed them oats or rice they'll be able to digest it.
>>36631731
A true wolf would shit it out undigested. Probably coyote as well, though to a great degree both are mixed with domestic dogs today
>>36626805
Any diet that causes you to reduce intake of garbage and increase intake of 'tein will work.
Shitty diets in magazines will work.
They work because most people eat like retards and ANY control implemented will usually help. But it all comes back to just properly eating around your TDEE and getting solid macros.
Paleo is stupid, though. Most people I meet that decide to go for it are just fad-whores with no interest in improvement. They assume people will marvel at their progressive eating.
I guess paleo is awful because it enables those people?
>>36631759
Are you assuming that or is there evidence of it? It makes no sense to me since canids aren't strict carnivores in the wild and I don't see why grains would be unlike fruit or any other plant food.
>>36631761
it makes more sense to me than any other type of diet - why wouldn't we eat the way we ate when we were last evolving? It isn't necessarily an ideal way of eating, I understand we were eating what was available, but it seems more reliable than "whatever doctors think".
>>36631552
Not from Oslo. R u LofotBreh
>>36631835
Genetic study suggests that adaptation to grain digestion occured during domestication, so logically I would think a wolf from a population which did not have the same sort of human exposure and cohabitation would not be able to do the same
But no, I don't have data on wolf metbolism right now
>>36631866
No, it's not necessarily the best. There's no reason that would be the case
>>36631909
but that doesn't matter if there's no way of knowing what the best is. I don't see why you think mimicking what someone thinks paleo people ate is a worse way of deciding how to eat than any of the others.
>>36631889
Hedmark masterrace
>>36631956
Hedmark er GOAT. Bra for deg, senpai.
>>36631949
The outcome can be good, I'm just saying the idea behind it is stupid and wrong
Is a macro split of 20% carbs, 20% protein, 60% fats going to be good for me?
Or is low carb high fat useless if I don't commit to achieving ketogenesis?
>>36632046
There's no reason to do low carb but to strip water weight, which is only useful in a competitive context
This was proven to be a meme a while ago. /thread
>>36632066
I just keep hearing that wheats, rice, and even most fruits fuck with my insulin too much causing me to hold onto fat.
Is this all just meme dieting?
Why would people advocate it so much, freely, if it was just going to harm people.
I do admit being told not to eat fruits seems ridiculous to me.
>>36632122
an apple has more sugar per gram than a coke
>>36626805
Extremely effective for losing weight. If you don't keep protein intake high enough you will lose muscle as well as fat.
Some people find that eating their normal diets at a deficit is easy and works well for them. Personally, I find that significantly cutting out carbs, which paleo does, as the majority of my deficit makes dieting easier for me.
I do not have any experience eating paleo while attempting to gain muscle. I would guess that this would be difficult because a diet of high fat and moderate protein makes eating at excess calories difficult.
As far as health claims I can only go by my personal experience. I ate paleo for probably 6 months then keto for 6 months. My blood work at my yearly physical were all within the normal ranges.
>>36632122
>I do admit being told not to eat fruits seems ridiculous to me.
I think fruit has been bred to have higher sugar content than the species originally had in nature, for some of them at least.
>>36632122
Calories, calories out. Your body will liberate glycogen and fat as needed unless you have a severe genetic disoder like type 1 diabetes
>>36632364
So long as I am eating at a deficit what does it matter if I eat carbs?
The low carb thing is only useful in using fat as fuel if I'm eating ridiculously low amounts like 50g or less correct?
>>36626805
>>36632321
fruit is year round available now, but in yesteryear it was seasonal. So right now we would have strawberries and some early melons availlable, both which are fairly low in carbs compared to other fruit. Very little over the winter too. The only real fruit abundant time is fall, when we need to bulk up for surviving the winter.
>>36632576
You can harvest winter apples until february, even close to the polar circle. Try again.
>>36632675
winter apples are apples picked in fall, and stored through winter.
>>36632576
Are you just making this up as you go along? There is no evidence that fruit is fattening in humans and actually some data to suggest that it's slimming. Our early ancestors were predominantly frugivorous forest dwellers with access to wild fruits during all months of the year. The more recent "savannah diet" had underground storage organs as the fallback source of carbohydrate during the dry season.
>>36632754
Some fruit. Lower carbed fruit. Not these fattening apples and pears and mangoes.
>>36632774
>Some fruit. Lower carbed fruit.
That makes no sense. Fruit is just carbohydrate, with some extremely rare exceptions. Carbohydrate was a major source of calories throughout hominin evolution
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435101
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26591850
>Not these fattening apples and pears and mangoes.
None of those appear to be fattening.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18439712
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25971247
http://www.omicsonline.org/mangoes-are-associated-with-better-nutrient-intake-diet-quality-and-levels-of-some-cardiovascular-risk-factors-national-health-and-nutrition-examination-survey-2155-9600.1000185.php?aid=11052
Quit talking out of your ass please.
>>36632713
That's normal apples you idiot.
Winter apples are apples that ripen late and can hang on the tree over winter. you can pick then anytime from November to February depending on the breed.
>>36632903
Oh, and re: "some fruit"
Here's a population of modern hunter-gatherers. Check out the species diversity in the fruits they consume.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0271531714002863
>>36632903
>>36626805
>placebo diet
>>36632903
this numbers are per 100g
I'm so sick of meme diets
why can't people just eat less
>>36632986
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2053/2
raspberries: 82% calories from carbohydrates
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1848/2
blackberries: 80% calories from carbohydrates
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2064/2
strawberries: 85% calories from carbohydrates
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/10507/2
blueberries: 87% calories from carbohydrates
Not a meaningful difference.
>>36633003
Similar story here, aside from coconut meat. I don't see what point you're trying to make, if any.
>>36628631
>Few mammal species drink milk in adulthood, humans being a distinct exception to the rule.
No mammal species have written language either, but here we are.
Question for the anti-milk crowd: If my ancestors' genes mutated to allow me to consume lactose as adult, then why should I consume it?
>>36633096
*Shouldn't
>>36633096
Inflammation?
>>36631896
I know this is late, but, wolves in captivity are often fed dog food. One of the main ingredients in dog food is some kind of grain. Usually corn.
>>36633096
so you can't get ebin gomad gaines
>>36633046
>>36633060
The point is eating blackberries while in season, is much different from eating a banana every day.
>>36631320
There's evidence of eating grains going back over 100,000 years ago
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/humans-feasting-on-grains-for-at-least-100000-years/
The worst thing about Paleo is that by its nature, it's anti-science. The diet decides ahead of time that whatever paleolithic humans might have eaten must be great for you, and anything discovered later must be bad for you. Normally you would study nutrition science to figure out what food is healthy or unhealthy, and if you did you'd find a lot that contradicts the paleo diet, but the paleo diet relies exclusively on anthropology and doesn't care about validating their theories with the appropriate science.
>>36633096
The ability to process milk changes as a human ages. This is why lactose intolerance and milk protein allergy ususally happens at adult age.
>>36633210
How so? Way to be vague as possible. You could argue the blackberries are a much healthier choice (more phytonutrients, antioxidants), but the idea that one is "low carb" is nonsense.
>>36633266
>Normally you would study nutrition science to figure out what food is healthy or unhealthy,
Nutrition "science" is a laughable field, though.
>>36633310
Why? Does it hurt your feelings?
>>36626805
It was originally designed by a gastric Doctor back in the 70s to treat IBS. Focus on eating organic whole foods instead of processed food stuffs. It makes a lot of sense that people would feel better while on it; it cuts out the most common inflamatories dairy, wheat, legumes, night shades etc.
it jumped the shark a few years ago when I read a recipe for paleo birthday cake.
>>36631210
Of all sad words of tongue and pen...
>>36633310
>flat-earthers: "archaeology is a laughable field"
>creationists: "biology is a laughable field"
>>36633346
>inflamatories
>dairy
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2014.967385
>wheat
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0733521009001519
>legumes
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jmf.2011.0238
>night shades
http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/11/10/1559827610387488.abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1211/jpp.60.4.0010/abstract
fuck off
>>36631210
those tabs tho
>>36626805
why would they live so close to river?
do they just want to move twice a year?
>>36633441
Way to read only part of the data. If you even read it at all. The one on milk explicitly states it's an inflammatory in people with allergies. Good job on being a faggot. Next time you're with your grandmother ask her how potatoes work on her arthritis.
>>36633667
Brah they're tents
I think the convenience of living that close to the river outweighs moving a bit of cloth and sticks around twice a year
>>36634536
>people
>people with allergies
Way to move those goalposts after getting called out on your bullshit.
>>36634599
They don't effect everyone the same you stupid ignorant fuck. Just because something might not be an inflammatory to you, doesn't mean it isn't a common inflammatory. Goddamn you stupid fucks would do well to keep in mind biology isn't a hard science.
>>36626805
absolute shit tier pseudo-science just to but makes people eat healthy foods so it is still pretty good
>>36628355
>>36628385
>>36628524
>>36628571
>muh confirmation bias
Literally just click on the "works cited" button. And he doesn't promote eating animal products because food is a package deal; like great, meat has protein and some minerals, but it's also classified as carcinogen because it contains high fat, sat. fat, cholesterol, and endotoxins which causes all sorts of health problems. Why not skip all that cancer causing shit get your nutrition from whole plants which has almost no downsides to consuming. And notice I said "high" so you don't have to say the "le cholesterol isn't bad for you" you meme, which single handily is the cause of many cardiovascular problems.
>High protein intake is linked to increased cancer, diabetes, and overall mortality
>High IGF-1 levels increased the relationship between mortality and high protein
>Higher protein consumption may be protective for older adults
>Plant-derived proteins are associated with lower mortality than animal-derived proteins
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131%2814%2900062-X
>>36631210
>literally devoting his life to public health FOR FREE
>DA JOOs
>>36636617
>fat causes health problems
kek
I feel better on keto/ paleo so why not?
If I eat wheat I get severe eczema. If I eat carbs I feel like killing myself half an hour later.
>>36634959
>They don't effect everyone the same you stupid ignorant fuck. Just because something might not be an inflammatory to you, doesn't mean it isn't a common inflammatory.
Quit fighting strawmen.
>Goddamn you stupid fucks would do well to keep in mind biology isn't a hard science
Ahh, that explains why you throw around buzzwords like "inflammatory" in a pseudoscientific fashion all while having no idea what they mean. The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one.
>>36636675
>what is obesity
It's a fucking meme.
I never lost an ounce eating paleo/clean/whatever, but if I do nothing but make a concerted effort to eat LESS, the scale moves no matter what obscene bullshit I eat.
The only reason to eat any specific type of food is if you have some convicted belief that it is actually healthier for reasons other than weight change.
Otherwise, it's all just protein and calories.
>>36633266
These links are the reasons why I as former paleo fag, now eat grains, though complex carbs only still.
But yea, there is a reason why there are so many paleo fags, because it stands in stark contrast to modern "food", which is high in sugar and also highly processed by unnatural means. GMO shit that causes cancers and more.
If other paleo fags stopped being so retarded with the grain bit, it might bring more people into the actual healthy foods fold.
>>36638809
No shit faggot. Everyone here knows about cal in cal out. You just read the sticky and feel like a srs lifter now huh?
>>36628524
>>36628542
So many other factors go into research. What's the age demographics of the study population? Older people have increased bone density loss over younger people. This is just one example of how shit like this can be skewed to an extreme
>>36638848
Fuck you nigger, what's your best deadlift?
>>36638928
I just squatted 125 today bitch
>>36638959
please be kilograms
>>36638985
Eurotrash detected
as a paleo dieter how do I avoid kidney stones?
>>36639144
>the diet you're thinking helps you causes you to have to actively avoid painful kidney stones
baka you fucking retards
>>36639168
>paleo
kidney stones
>vegan
brain damage, depression, anemia, gallstones
>low fat, high carb
diabetes and all of the above
baka you fucking retard
>>36633340
no, it's poor quality science - small sample sizes etc.
the trouble with it as well is there's no-one conducting the kind of scale of study (over a lifetime) which you'd need to reproduce the level of experimental feedback which the successful and respected fields of science have. Not to mention the complexity of the human body and how much of it is still poorly understood.
>>36636617
>meat is classified as a carcinogen because it contains high fat, sat. fat. cholesterol and endotoxins
If you're referring to the WHO then it's actually processed meat, and I think the preservatives were thought to be the mechanism (not sure).
>>36636617
>literally devoting his life to public health FOR FREE
implying you can't be sponsored by someone without anyone knowing.
>>36639168
>the exercise regimen you're thinking helps you causes you to have to actively avoid spinal herniation
>>36636617
>Just click works cited
You are an idiot. No one is saying he doesn't site his position.
It is that his position isn't comprehensive. He accepts research he agrees with, and ignores anything to the contrary.
See his video on milk and bones. He uses 1 study that showed higher fracture rates in people that drink milk, while ignoring a huge amount of research that shows milk increases bone mineral density, and lowers bone material turnover.
He is a cherry picker, pushing an agenda.
>>36631210
lmao
thanks for the hearty kek op
>>36641739
You're missing the point entirely, I'm saying people completely dismiss anything from nutritionfacts.org; And if I simply copy paste the sources directly no one would bat an eye.
>He uses 1 study that showed higher fracture rates in people that drink milk, while ignoring a huge amount of research that shows milk increases bone mineral density, and lowers bone material turnover
It's not 1 study, the video uses 6 studies and one them is a meta analysis which uses multiple studies.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640478
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20949604
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24247817
http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1885687
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25352269
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6205
>>36638788
A symptom of metabolic disorder. generally caused by an over consumption of carbohydrates.
>>36641656
Both processed meats and red meats are carcinogenic.
>>36641666
Yeah, he's sponsored by the evil broccoli industry...
>>36643605
Over consumption of processed foods and meat*
Not, whole food plants.
>>36643667
Meat? Hardly its the starch, sugar and flour.
It's retarded.
It has very little, if any basis in either nutrition science or the archaeological record.
The only reason it appears to work is that when people watch what they eat, they tend to eat better anyways.
if paleo diet is a good idea just because that's what we used to do then paleo healthcare must be a good idea too. you literally can't disagree
>>36643846
>Meat?
>which is literally just fat and protein
>doesn't cause obesity
>Hardly its the starch, sugar and flour.
Those aren't whole foods you retard.
>>36626805
I like sushi
>>36644106
>Those aren't whole foods you retard.
No shit Sherlock, learn some reading comprehension.
>>36638258
I think I was using the word correctly. Do you have evidence I wasn't?
>>36626820
Couldn't have said it better, anon.
>>36644547
You need to learn reading compression, see the post you're replying to: >>36643667
>>36644740
My comment did not directly address your sentence of
>Not, whole food plants.
Instead it clarified why I found your statement that meat caused obesity to be questionable, because the scientific field is converging behind the idea that refined carbohydrates are the root cause of many medical disorders such as metabolic syndrome.
While you are mostly correct that whole food plants are mostly a part of a healthy diet, it has no bearing on the rest of the conversation. So I repeat; No shit Sherlock, learn some reading comprehension.
fuck no. we don't eat raw vegetables and deer venison anymore. some of that shit is more nutritious if you cook it lightly anyway. Mediterranean diet is the best diet.
>>36643846
I got shredded eating a pound of baked potatoes a day (among other things)
What now paleofag?
>>36641739
>He accepts research he agrees with, and ignores anything to the contrary.
Not really. He has a general view of what he thinks is most likely to be true based on the quality and consistency of evidence, taking in the whole science rather than changing his opinion as soon as any single contradictory study is published. He often brings up studies that seem to contradict what he believes and then explains why he doesn't believe it really contradicts it, although it would be impractical to do this for every study on every topic he discusses. A few examples:
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/eggs-and-arterial-function/
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-the-egg-board-designs-misleading-studies/
^ Looks at studies that say eggs are healthy
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-set-up-to-fail/
^ Looks at the studies that say saturated fat isn't harmful
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/does-fiber-really-prevent-diverticulosis/
^ Looks at a study that found fiber doesn't help prevent diverticular disease
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/omega-3s-and-the-eskimo-fish-tale/
^ Looks at the claim that Inuit people eating lots of meat were free of heart disease
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-explains-the-french-paradox/
^ Explains the "french paradox"
If you can agree with his responses to these things, you can see how "ignoring" some data to make a more clear recommendation that's better supported by evidence is justified.
http://zerocarbzen.com
How would such a diet affect an adult male, /fit/?
>>36626805
Lepenski vir
>>36631210
Oy vey! They know! SHUT IT DOWN!
I can never tell how serious /pol really is
>>36631210
holy shit dude, those tabs. im getting baited so fucking hard
>>36633266
>found plant starch
>also known as potatoes
>so grain was a staple
Seems like some mental gymnastics there
>>36626805
Im incredibly glad for it: i became coeliac a few years back and i have noticed an explosion in suitable recipes and restaurants since paleo became a thing. Would i do paleo if i could eat wheat and dairy? No fuck that, its a huge amount of effort for not much gain.
>>36626805
It's literally the appeal to nature fallacy in diet form. Absolute stupidity.
>>36644869
>Instead it clarified why I found your statement that meat caused obesity to be questionable
I said meats AND processed food. Reading comprehension mother fucker.
>because the scientific field is converging behind the idea that refined carbohydrates are the root cause of many medical disorders
>conveniently ignoring the mountain of evidence involding meat and obesity
>conveniently ignoring the cardiovascular implications, cancer causing properties of eating meat
>>36645544
Now if only he'd demand the same standards of evidence when trying to support his opinion that all animal source foods are bad and cause every disease in the book while almost every whole plant food is good...
>>36649622
bullshit, meat is no more cancerous than cigarettes.
>>36626805
>What do you guys think about paleo diet?
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2015/07/hey-paleotards-youre-doing-it-wrong.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2015/07/paleotards-are-doing-it-wrong-part-deux.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2015/08/paleotards-are-doing-it-wrong-part-trois.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2015/10/paleotards-are-doing-it-wrong-part.html
>>36636617
>but it's also classified as carcinogen because it contains high fat, sat. fat, cholesterol, and endotoxins which causes all sorts of health problems
>>36643655
>red meats are carcinogenic.
Get your meme peddling vegan hawking bullshit out of /fit/.That's completely factually incorrect and science as well as common sense proves you wrong.
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2009/02/it-aint-skinny-bitch-day-is-it.html
>>36626805
I've yet to see a paleo diet recommend your primary protein intake come from live bugs. Or address the elephant in the room that most of our produce today is the result of agricultural selection and not at all representative of the food sources available in prehistory. At least it's better than the raw food people who ignore the fact that we co-evolved with cooking our food for half a million years and our digestion has adapted to it.
So I get the feeling that it's pseudoscience that has been given the once over by marketing people in yet another attempt to separate over-educated west coast fools from their money.
>>36649622
>meat
no and this there is no valid evidence to support this no matter what bullshit anyone, including so called "scientists" that can't critically think and research for shit make up
>>36651426
>so called "scientists"
Heh heh heh, stupid book nerds with their education, training, and experience. You and me? We're red pilled. We know what's up.
>>36651426
>>36651337
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com
sounds legit
