Down 30 lbs 200 to 170ish in 4 months. 6ft. Anyone know my bf%?
Stop. You don't have enough muscle to cut more, you'll waste away.
>>36620912
This
Op, start focusing on eating right and building muscle at this point. You wont be doing anything good for your body if you try cutting now
>>36620836
Why did you put the before image on the right?
>>36621093
It's a new meme.
>>36620912
>>36621075
This is what i have never understood. I see 150 pound skellys who didnt even lift for 1 year going on a cut?
Wtf, seriously why would you cut when you have barely any muscle mass?
Perma bulk is the way to go. Go for atleast 2 years before you think about shredz.
> No arms, no chest, but MUH ABS
Seriously. Just no
>>36621102
whered his traps go? I think he looked better in husbando mode
>>36621125
The idea is to cut first and begin bulking from a lean starting point instead of being chubby for 2 years. There's really nothing wrong with doing that.
>>36621093
i messed up editing i know
>>36621125
maybe its the angle of the pic but i would say i have a decent amount of muscle mass. my weight is probably closer to 180 given a low carb diet so im not holding much water
MY FACE WHEN I LOST 0.8KG ON MY FIRST DAY OF CUTTING HAHA SURE IS EZ
>fat fuck on the permacut
>used to be 340-350 at my worst
>nowadays down to around 205, was 203 the other day
>restricted calories harder then usual, went from 2k to 1.5k
>at the same time went off my eca stack, because I'm leaving for boot camp in a month and dont want to have to deal with withdrawal while at boot camp
>got bitchy and depressed
>diet went to shit
>back up to 210
Feels pretty fucking bad, man
>>36621979
you are gonna make it, just remember you had the courage to go from 350 to 205
Went from 230 mid January to 199 today. Going out to eat with people but I really dont want to go back up over 200
>tfw only like 15 lbs left till im not overweight for the first time since I was like 6 years old
>>36622144
you can do it brah
You'll actually look pretty good if you decide to get leaner OP. Don't listen to the fucking retards who say "durr not enough mass you can't cut", if you continue you'll have a nice lean physique to start a controlled slow bulk. Cutting and bulking for natties is absolute shit, you should cut to 10% and then bulk to 15% rinse & repeat.
>what's my BF
Probably in the ballpark of 18%, you'll be cut at a true 165-175 (you said you were low carbing)
1 month of cutting
>>36622618
for cardio do you mostly just ride bicycles or?
>>36622618
Was the roids worth the chest and delt acne?
This was my first prog pic
>>36621979
Any before and after pics? Going from 350 down to 205 is pretty impressive.
give me the redpill here
do i have time to get to 10-12% by late summer? i know the first picture is blurry as fuck but i was 220lbs 5'8 a few months back, probably approaching 30% bf, and now im weighing 195
i think the magic number is somewhere between 165-175. i want to get lean before i go into college. i turn 19 in June
>>36622689
This was my next one and still current standing.....my upper body is small and weak as fuck from cutting
I'm healing from a shoulder injury before lifting and clean bulk and doing cardio 3x a week
>>36622711
>>36622689
Fuark, that's strong progress. How has your life changed after doing this?
>>36622736
I suffered from weight induced sleep apnea which I no longer suffer from
Waist size dropped from 38 inches to 32 inches
T shirt sizes droped from xl to medium
I get great reactions from old high school classmates
Life generally got better
>>36622736
i feel generally healthier
shoulder is improving
a lot more attention from guys
>>36622710
Sure man, just dont eat anything. We believe in you.
>>36622710
You can definitely do it but it will be hard as fuck. Look into Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss Handbook.
It looks like you're around 20%, so you'll take 6 weeks to get down to 15%, then a 2 week refeed, followed by 4 weeks and a 2 week refeed, followed by 2 weeks and done.
Good luck, brah.
>>36622710
Should only take you another 2months tops, depends on how aggressive your cut is. You're gonna make it, just don't fuck up and NO cheat days.
>>36620836
It's been a while, but I'm getting there.
>Starting weight: 430
>Got down to 280
>Broke my shoulder and collarbone
>Lost all gains, depression struck hard, ate my way back up to 375
>Got my footing back in Oct. 2015
>Currently down to 279
>Lifts are just about where they were when I was injured
It's been a long journey, riddled with setbacks, but I haven't given up yet.
>>36622847
>>36622844
>>36622813
would you recommend creatine to help maintain strength? i never really dabbled in supplements
>>36622888
You can if you think it'll help maintain some strength. Not worth it imo unless you're already on it, as starting fresh is going to bloat you and mask some progress.
>>36622888
Maintaining strength on a severe cut is a fool's errand. Instead, make sure you dramatically up your protein intake (1.25 grams per pound of lean body mass) to preserve what muscle you have. It's best to limit your lifting to 2-3 times a week just to maintain what you have - any more and recovery can become difficult, injuries more common.
Strength will return in a matter of weeks after you finish your cut.
>>36622917
how is it a fool's errand? i was always under the impression that deficit + strength loss = loss of mass
ive been lowering my reps and trying to go heavy. my lifts are pretty damn lackluster for my BW too, i always used to train high reps
>>36622965
Because strength loss is inevitable. Think about it, you're starving your body in a controlled manner and usually cutting carbs too along with reduced recovery. Your strength will return, just make sure you're not lowering the WEIGHT too much even if you're losing reps. Stimulate the muscle with the minimum effective dose and gtfo the gym.
>>36622691
I've been posting it a little too often lately, but since you asked.
>>36623114
I really thought it was a kid as I opened the image and didn't read anything there
>>36622767
>a lot more attention from guys
kekd
>>36622689
Good job. Keep it up, Seth rogan
>>36622965
Nah, brah.
Loss of mass = fat burned as energy + muscle burned as energy
Muscle is only burned for energy when you're not getting a dietary source of glucose for an extended period. Hence raising protein intake as you increase your deficit - by providing the body with broken down protein it doesn't need to break down muscle tissue to perform gluconeogenesis.
While losing muscle mass will cause strength to suffer, the real problem is fatigue.
As you cut you limit the amount of glycogen you can store to lift. Less glycogen gives you less energy during the lift. CNS becomes fatigued by performing progressively heavier lifts with less fuel. CNS crashes and a plateau is reached.
The best thing to do is perform the same lifts you're doing now at a lower volume (3x3 vs. 3x5) coupled with some lighter drop-sets (2x10 or 3x8 at 70% 5RM). This keeps the CNS from decaying while doing the least amount of damage to your muscle tissue.
>>36623114
Haircut, tan, lasik, /fa/ and maybe surgery for the belly skin. Keep up the good work.
>>36620836
probably 16-17%. another 2 months and you'll probably be fairly ripped
>>36623281
Gluconeogenesis is an extremely inefficient process and is only resorted to as one of the last resorts of the body when in 'survival' mode.
You lose like 10%-20% muscle per kilo of fat when cutting. What a big deal.
>>36623305
Nah brah I like my glasses. Distracts people from noticing my long horse face.
>>36623423
Nah brah, gluconeogenesis is performed whenever the body runs out of glucose due to portions of the brain relying solely on glucose for energy. IIRC, this dietary requirement is something like 20-30 grams daily. If glucose has not been present in the bloodstream for more than a few days, the body will catabolize ~40 grams of muscle to produce the necessary glucose.
It is a constant process - as long as the body has any fat reserves it will prioritize those to fuel the rest of the body. Only when fat reserves drop dangerously low (1-4% bf) will gluconeogenesis be kicked into full force.
However, if you keep protein consumption absurdly high (1+ gram per pound of lean bodyweight) muscle mass loss is negligible even after extended, dramatic deficits.
240 mid December
>>36624215
215 2 days ago, 6'4
>>36624215
>>36624226
fuck off roidlet you have your own thread
>>36624235
;^)
>>36624260
it's like, yeah, you look good, but you obviously take gear so it takes away from the impressiveness
>>36624226
>roiding for this
>>36624226
Looking good especially those lats
>>36624226
bruh you look almost as bad as sociopathgains
>>36624275
Yeah because zyzz got like that from one cycle
>>36624226
What the fuck is up with your neck being wider than your waist
>>36624334
the thing is, if he didn't take steroids he would just be another athleticmode gymrat
steroids literally made him, i hate it when people act like it's hard work and not steroids that make them look o good when naturals put in just as hard work and look worse while often times lifting much longer than the roidlet
>>36624367
Steroids don't just magically add muscle. They just lower the time of repair. You still actually have to lift more to get more. So the hard work is still there.
>>36622618
No fucking way that's 1 month cutting unless you're on a cycle of Vitamin T
>>36624396
i just can't have the same respect for someone who goes on steroids, blows right through and makes like a 50 pound gain on bench in a month or two, an inch or two on the chest, where a natural fights tooth and nail for several months/years to make a similar gain
naturals are just tougher
>>36624396
Actually they do, lol
>>36620836
you used to look a lot better
I guess it's going alright
>>36624602
As always I think you need more quads, hips and ass. I just like pear shaped Asian girlies tho.
>>36624602
>shoulders wider than hips
this is like the female equivalent of being a manlet
>>36624616
Oh bb, trust me I busteddded my ass to get that ready but I couldn't get it any bigger, cutting season sneaked up on me too fast. Now I can't really gain anything quick since I'm out of bulk season to prep for a show but I might try taking something that might help gain muscle along with HGH that I'm taking this cutting season. I forgot what the same of it was but my dealer has it. I still am being hopeful by doing legs 3 times a week tho. You look good
>>36624675
I look "okay" by show standards but my coaches are pleased. We'll see at the end of the month.
If I were you I'd just play around with 12.5mg mk 677 or low dose GHRP 2/6 and mod grf pre workout for lypolytic actions.
>>36622711
you should start lifting
>>36624697
I know.....waiting for my shoulder to heal so I can do chest and back
>>36624675
>female
>using gear
Is Coke Zero bad for cuts
>>36624696
I'll discuss that with my dealer/coach and see if that works too, Thanks bimbo. What category you going in for? I might try figure, if I lost too much muscle then bikini.
>>36624728
MP 5'10+
>>36624602
Mirin. Stay safe baby girl, god bless.
>>36624763
You'll do good!
>>36624767
y-you too
>>36622689
Seems like your progress on height is stalled man
>>36622867
You fucking got this dude, keep up the awesome work
>>36624770
I appreciate that. Cheekie chill in fraud more.
>>36624778
I've been 5'11 for like a few years now . My growing is done
>>36624602
i would still fuck but i feel conflicted.
>>36625047
i was joking about you including height on every progress photo
>>36624602
nice, with that body and that forehead i hope you are seriously thinking going full female airbender master soon
pic related.
>>36620912
>>36621075
>>36621125
What would you suggest doing on my case then?
6'0 198 lifting 9 months.
Not sure whether to cut or keep bulking.
>>36624350
>>36625032
I actually sneak in there sometimes, I'm actually not as knowledgeable about different kinds of roids yet and I can't really say much in there but you guys definitely talk about interesting topics. I'll pop in when I have questions!
>>36625147
I'm probably very uncomfortable to cuddle anyways
>>36625232
I might cosplay Korra or pepe frog in summer anime convention, pic related
>>36624350
what are traps right?
>>36625266
cut hard with tons of protein, then clean bulk, you'll look pretty good, also shave and post this picture on instagram and ask the same question
>>36624602
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>>36624602
>>36624638
this was my first thought too.
what the fuck are you doing
>>36625311
thanks man
>>36624275
>implying you could get that big on gear
>implying it doesn't still take killing the gym and nutrition
>implying you wouldn't bend over and spread your boipussy for him
>>36620836
Holy shit I thought bulk & cut was a meme. It's like a butterfly emerging from a cocoon
Brb cutting to reveal my inner goddess
>>36624638
>>36625416
genetics. But I actually love my wide shoulder
>>36625611
pic from 4 years ago
>>36625596
>implying most 1year+ natty lifters couldn't
>implying they don't carry you through gains and give you in months what naturals get in years
>implying i would let some roidlet near my succulent BP
Bless Animal Cuts im losing fat faster than ever
>>36623114
Stop looking so mad
>>36624602
Got anything with less clothing from start to current? Not creepy pedo I swear I got my gf into lifting I wanna show her some realistic girl progress and motivation
What is my bf? Measuring with calipers shows too low bf results for what i look.
I feel like I'm missing something here. Anyone under 160 is auschwitz skeleton dyel faggot that needs to permabulk, but everyone over 180 is a disgusting roiding faggot that needs to leave the thread. How does one win at CBT?
>>36626618
this isn't "realistic" in the time frame Cheekie did it. She is on gear
>>36626994
I am aware, but alas girls are generally stupid and I'll informed, as long as she sees progress it'll motivate. Gear won't occur to her
>>36626765
what is there to flex lol
pls dont worry about your bf just start a clean bulk unless you want to stay hungry-skelly
>>36627049
just pls, keep ur comments and be helpful if you can.
235 and down to 209 in 2 months. Think I'll need to get 180 before I can quit the cut and go on bulk. Muscles aren't deteriorating and i'm getting stronger too. My knees are so fucking weak though it pains me that my squat is only 132 right now.
>>36626765
Woohoo, on DNP, down from 255 to 235, at least 40lbs to go, but I imagine I'll look better once I go off the cut.
Managing roughly 1-2lbs per day of fat loss, going to kick it into gear soon though. Have to hit that 195 BW.
Anyways, bench is 375, deadlift is 585, and squat is 500.
Would trade weight to not be fat.
>>36628124
Btw second picture is me literally dehydrated, nothing in my stomach and all before DNP, first pic is a week in. Ridiculous. I look like shit but at least there's a difference.
>>36628149
First pic is me insanely full, at least 2 gallons of water, breakfast, etc.
>>36622618
Bullshit.
>>36628124
Nice bench weight man. Keep up the good work.
>>36628124
it boggles my mind how people can get so strong and their chest still looks like shit
like what the fuck are you doing? 3 reps every set? there are guys in my gym working with 185-225 on bench who have better looking fuller chests than that
>>36622510
Thanks man
>Tfw went out last night and had a few beers
>Still lost weight somehow (198.6 now)
>Never going back up above 200
>>36629336
not being fat
>>36629336
Bench is a tricep exercise
>>36629336
Well he's fucking obese. If he had 10 to 15% bodyfat his chest would look a lot better. I noticed chest gains by going from around 30 to 20%.
>>36629494
still, i find it hard to believe that he isn't estatting, the only guy in my gym ive seen put up that kind of weight is cave troll huge with cannonball shoulders and like 17-20% bf, leagues more impressive looking than that guy
>>36622618
so meth
ok so i have one week left of cutting (fits with my programming) and all i can say is: kids, dont dirty bulk. i made decent strength progress but man i expected some muscle too
5RMs 5x130/5x180/5x117,5 -> 5x140/5x175/5x100ed
gonna do a +300 bulk next instead of +800
Me at the end of my "bulk". Fucked my knee up so thought I'd lose some weight while I couldn't squat or DL heavy. Around 190lbs.
>>36629610
>end of bulk
>isn't at least 15% bf
CMON
seriously though, don't pull your bulk short because you're afraid to lose abs, make some real gains
>>36629610
This was a week or so ago. A bit leaner now and regaining strength. Can finally squat again.
6'3 183lbs
DL 410
SQ 335 (Max before injury. Haven't tested again)
BP 235
OHP 180 (gone up during cut lel)
PU +45lbs x4
>>36627079
He is being helpful lol.
You are way too skinny.
Fucking eat.
>>36629619
I don't know, man. I'm a lot happier at a low bf.
>tfw went from pic...
Bf% in bottom pics? Sorry for blurry pics need to upgrade from my poverty s3 mini.
>>36629661
>...to pic related in 6 weeks of eating some 1200-1500kcal an not doing anything
The peak of my physical activity was walking 3,4km to and from uni.
Itsucks ass. Went to gym on friday, shitty weight everywhere, all tense from sitting all month on my ass, will have to stretch and god damn so much work.
>>36629678
oops
>>36629686
well its not like you lost any visible muscle
and you can gain back what you lost in 3 weeks
>>36629709
Yes, I initially had planned losing weight and lifting, but then gym was fucked and had no equipment for a month (half of february till this Thursday) so I decided to fuck it and just eat like a little girl.
I know that I'll get it back, but I basically lost a month, which sucks.
And I can only go to the gym Thursday - Sunday, which sucks. Is there any good Upper,LowerXFullbody?
On Tuesday I plan bodyweight.
>>36628124
enjoy your saggy skin. You're losing too much weight too fast. 2 lbs per week is healthy and guarantees that the skin can adapt...
>>36629796
How fast you lose weight has nothing to do with loose skin. It's a myth anon.
>>36629597
pls comment
>>36629597
>>36630059
I'm gonna comment you so hard bro
You should probably keep cutting some more. It's not fun to start bulking when your abs will fade away in only a few weeks. Doing the right thing in only a slight surplus, tho. gl friend.
// Friend below you
>>36630093
thanks y-you too
and i feel super skinny already. maybe cause i was fat for a good while but still...
i dont really care much about abs but i "need" to look good on december mostly. im autistic enough to stay inside in the summer. with a +300 bulk i'd gain about 6,5 kilos in 5 months and then i'd have 3 months to cut for christmas, which would result in me losing 6,5 kilos with a 500cal deficit. so +-0 but hopefully with way more muscle
>>36626808
170 masterrace u fucking roidskeleton
>>36626149
shit wont last brah, you cycle off and you'll get it back
nothing beats developing a system of self control
cutters, how do i add good fats to a chicken/rice/veggies lunch?
>>36630217
avocado
>>36630217
avocado
180cm/6'0
82kg/180 pounds
>cut from 116 kg over 2 yrs
>started ss 6 months ago
>should i bulk or cut?
>>36630237
>>36630238
>>36630238
we family now
>>36630237
>>36630238
thanks, had one planned with my eggwhite/toast dinner but i don't really think there is any other way around it.
asian chicken just didn't seem to mesh well with avacado but whatever i guess
>>36630255
nope it doesnt. just use some olive oil or flax seed oil mixed in with the rice/veggies
>>36630271
ok thank you!
5'9 158lbs currently.
>Fumbled my way through a cut from 215lbs to about 186lbs without tracking calories or lifting.
>Finally starting lifting and tracking calories about ~8 months.
>>36630240
>180cm/6'0
I'm >>36629661 , >>36629686 , also 180cm and I feel the best at some 70-73kg, so I would recommend cutting.
By best I mean I no longer consider myself fat when I take off my shirt.
But then, my highest ever weight was 84 and if you went from 116... maybe lift+maintenance...
and jump off the ss, you need to seriously work on your upper body.
>>36630285
You're gonna make it pal.
>>36630285
Epic tits, breh. Pls be my femboy
>>36630313
Thanks, brah.
>>36630393
No, sorry. I'm looking to cut to ~10-12% to get rid of them and get lean before I start a +300-500Cal bulk. I feel like i've made some good progress tbqh.
>>36630285
Is your posture always that bad or do you just pose like that for pictures so tits don't look so saggy?
6'4 sitting at 200lbs.
I used to be 392lbs but this is a pic I just snapped pre-workout, cold.
My legs are the first things to give feed back on how the cut is going.
Eating low-carb (100-120g a day), moderate protein, moderate fat. I just track my carbs and clean up my diet. Once weight loss stalls I start tracking things a bit more closely and adding cardio.
>>36623114
Get some fashionable glasses and consider surgery for the excess skin and you're golden
>>36630566
It was probably because of that. My posture is a lot better usually.
>>36621174
This a million times. So many of you here get trolled into "dae le cocoon mode perma bulk XDXDXD". You don't get any magical gains while holding 20-30% bf instead of 12-15% bf.
You can only gain so much muscle in a year as a natural and some people much prefer to look good all year long.
It really makes a lot of sense to cut down to 10-12% bf and make "lean gains" on a moderate caloric surplus. This way you make just as much gains as the other guy who is muh permabulking on a +2000 kcal surplus. The only exception is that you will end up at 15-18% bf at most and your cut will take significantly less time.
>>36624726
If you can control the hunger artificial sweeteners will give you, coke zero wont lead to a fat increase but you will get bloated.
Sticking with just water would be best but drinking some coke zero is fine once in a while
>>36622618
1 month of cutting because the other 2-3 months didn't count since you werent tracking calories on myfitnesspal :^)
>>36630217
Avocado, but don't forget to spank it if it's disobedient
>>36620836
You can cut and choose the right lighting all you want, but you'll never be white.
>>36624602
Good job, Cheekie!
>>36629665
>15%, you still have love handles. When you get rid of them you arer about 10-12% depending on our personal weight loss pattern.
>>36629968
It's true, I overheard it from this really buff guy at my gym
Right now I am at 75,7 cm waistline, going to implement Yohimbine in this final part, then reach a definite 74cm and start clean bulking.
>>36629336
Yeah man, it's purely me being fat as fuck. This wasn't like a bulk gone wrong, I literally stopped lifting for 2 years. Had a lot of people die. Sucks having to take care of a disabled step dad and support 3 people financially.
>be broke
>built as fuck
>get sad
>get fat
>make 8k a month
>eat out
Fucking lol.
Anyways, here's me at 208, when I hadn't lifted in 4 months. Before it went down hill.
>>36631914
Nice job! What's your routine?
>>36620836
it's over. i'll try again next year
>>36629523
The water retention and lack of glycogen. I'll update with better pics in a bit. Whenever I finish my DNP cuts I end up looking insanely different once I recarb. If it matters, I'm 6'0 and 2 feet wide.
Either way, gonna have to retrain once all this disgusting fat is gone. All my movements are going to be fucked.
Here's me at 250
>>36629686
What site / program is that?
>>36622689
did you just cut or did you incorporate any workout into that? great progress
>>36633937
>>36633992
I got to 206 doing SL
Right now I'm 170 maintaining pretty much till my shoulder heals so I can lift and go on a lean bulk
I still have a gut but if you look at my followup prog pic I really can lose anymore since I have no muscles to show
What should I do?
6'1 190
>>36634418
all of that with no cardio? damn congrats dude!
>>36630285
You dropped from 215 to 186 without working out?
Do fat burners besides DNP work?
And also, do the stimulant free ones work?
>>36634546
Thanks remembering now I think I got to like 170 further lifting and just doing cardio to maintain....although I am still eating at a deficit
>>36630285
Shit man I'm near your last pick right now. Another 15-20 pounds and we'd be solid. It sucks that those are the hardest though :/
Anyways, keep it up man! We're proud of the work and make sure to keep us updated!
Pic related, it's about 3 weeks ago.
How much more weight to cut until abs? 6'4
>>36623114
Sick progress. Keep it up
>>36629632
You look much larger than 183.
>>36635202
20 lbs more and youll look way better mang
