What does a long-term, /fit/ natural body look like?
Is this guy really on roids? People on /pol/ are saying this kind of body is unobtainable.
He probably is on roids but yes something close to that is very obtainable naturally
The idea of trusting the fat virgins of /pol/ (or /fit/ for that matter) on anything, least of all fitness, is pretty funny though
>>36619241
yes roids
>>36619285
well it's not like I can go down to the local gym and show some buff dude a picture and ask him
>>36619241
He could be on roids or not,.....who knows. But that is obtainable natty with time.
if you dont think you can have that body as a natty you should stop lifting ASAP & dont bother anymore
>>36619241
A natural /fit/ body is gonna either look skinny with their clothes on and absolutely shredded with clothes off or big with clothes on, but puffy and somewhat doughy with clothes off. Steroids are what give the big+well defined look. Sorry.
you can definitely achieve that body naturally. you guys just have shit genetics and think you can't achieve that natty.
You need to understand that roiding doesn't automatically rule out having a naturally attainable body.
You don't roid an go past the natty limit in a day.
Anyways, you can totally reach that body with decent genetics, hard work, and time.
dude skips leg day and is still like lean 10 lbs heavy than natty.
>>36619241
People who use roids should have to get a tattoo on their forehead that says "cheater" just to clear things up
/pol/neckbeards think every fit guy uses roids
kek
>>36619314
>>36619366
what the fuck...has every buff dude I've seen in pop-culture been on roids?
this is a fucking eye opener
>>36619319
why would you ask /pol/ though?
>>36619410
>shitting on /pol/ out of nowhere
Don't you have a bull to prep?
>>36619415
Everyone making money off of their physique is on roids. Every fitness model you've seen in a men's magazine, every olympic competitor, every national powerlifting champ and strongman.
>>36619419
It just came up in a thread I was looking at
>>>/pol/69701048
>>36619343
>>36619361
How is your first month of lifting weights going?
He's not natty,
>>36619241
>people on /pol/
so you mean bernie sanders shills?
>>36619241
>>36619343
>>36619361
>>36619366
>>36619391
>>36619398
This thread is useless without height.
>>36619415
pretty much. There is no reason for them not to roid
>>36619425
>being this triggered
>>36619415
Yup. the wast majority of ie. Hollywood is on roidz.
>>36619437
nope.
>>36619425
>>out of nowhere
>I can't read
>>36619241
Scott fitness Herman is natty
>>36619440
>You are not getting pecs with that depth without 500ml of test a week
>pecs with that depth
>without roids, to attain a physique like that naturally would take YEARS.
of course it would, that's why we lift for years.
>>36619442
t. im a skinnyfat redditor faggot who thinks every """"""buff""""""" dude isnt natty
>>36619241
That guy is certainly on steroids, and I somehow doubt he's an actually rugby player.
If he is, he's most likely one of the faggy ones like a winger or fly half.
>>36619472
and he's supposedly 5'10 I think.
>inb4 You are not getting pecs with that depth without 500ml of test a week
>>36619241
So what does his cycle looks like?
>>36619415
Yes. At least in acting. You might get some sports culture icons that aren't on anabolics (Skinnyfat Tom Brady surely isn't), but Christian Bale when he was big, Hugh Jackman, Bradly Cooper when he was big, Arnold anytime he isn't a fat old man, pretty much anyone in Hollywood bigger than the fag from The Amazing Spiderman is 100% guaranteed to be on steroids.
>>36619241
>Yuuuge and, traps, and shoulders
Probably a fraud
>>36619505
>500ml of test
step the fuck off nigga u dont know shit
>>36619563
>reddit memes
nice try
>>36619408
It's not a competition, you turbo autist.
>>36619622
Then why cheat?
>>36619366
this coment ends thread
do you want to be ripped naturally? expect arms of 16.5 inches Tops
do you want to be big naturally? excpect to look like a met ball
>>36619241
>What does a long-term, /fit/ natural body look like?
>>36619661
lol dis nigga face look like he bout to shit a baby
>>36619545
see >>36619440, >>36619479 and particularly >>>/pol/69701478 you retard
>>36619442
A-actually it's been 1 year this month.
>>36619696
Jemal go back to your ghetto where you belong
>>36619540
Christian Bale was a natural size in Batman Begins, and he added a lot of fat on his way there. I wouldn't rule it out even in the time-frame since he'd had almost that muscle immediately prior to the Machinist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wlGxl5Rk1Q
Maybe it's another story in the other Batman films, although they were only 10/15lbs more if I remember right.
>>36619241
It's obtainable, by either you have world class genetics or working out of your full-time job.
Ask yourself this: if such physiques were readily obtainable, roids or not, would people who looked like that be paid to be on the covers of magazines and endorse products?
I guess I'll contribute
I'm not an exemplar in any way but if you want to know what a 21 year old, 6'3 guy who generally gets his macros but occasionally eats shit like pizza and burgers, binge drinks ~2 nights a week, lifts ~5 days a week, is alcohol bloated in the pic and 212 lbs.
I've lifted for 6 years, I think your OP could be natural if he was on the shorter side but his guns/traps are popping so roids are possible
>>36619241
He's a rugby player, he's natty.
>>36619472
TSSSCCCHHHH
>>36619415
>has every buff dude I've seen in pop-culture been on roids?
Yes.
>>36619366
Don't believe this poster, they haven't spent as much time as I have looking at transformation threads on BB.com. I can confirm in my exhaustive research that it is possible to become "big+well defined" as long as you aren't talking dysmorphic levels of big.
>>36619241
pic is james troisi, he's 5'10"
>>36619408
on the scale of 10, how autistic are you?
>being too scared to roid
>having bitchass crab mentality
>>36619408
People who lift without roids should have tattoo on their forehead saying "low T, scared cunt" just to clear things up
>>36619753
>if such physiques were readily obtainable, roids or not, would people who looked like that be paid to be on the covers of magazines
why not? It seems like all that matters is that it's desirable, not that it's "unobtainable". I see what you're saying sometimes there's a competitive push to be the most impressive, but most people who don't spend a lot of time looking at pictures online find very obtainable physiques to be attractive, desirable and even impressive.
>>36619766
You are a lanklet who looks buff and swole.
You made it brah
>>36619415
Just because most of these guys are on roids doesn't mean that these physiques aren't obtainable natty (not talking about buffed freaks like Arnie here).
You will just take way longer to get there. Lift for 5 years and be consistent with your diet and training and you will be a big guy nontheless.
>>36619864
get a load of the retard
>>36619916
Unfortunately, once you're past attracting loads of hoes your dissatisfaction moves on to other things, like finding a gf you're happy with, and on
we will make it when we lie in a grave
>>36619241
I was in that thread
that's not achievable natty, sorry to bust your bubble newbies
delts and arms are too big
>>36620023
Delts are fine
arms look a little ridiculous
>>36619766
You see, the difference is that compared to the OP, you look incredibly natural. Much softer, delts don't pop, arms not as defined, etc
You look great though
>>36620042
too big to be natty is what I meant. He looks fantastic
>>36620089
some natural guys can get capped delts with decent genetics
shoulders are one of those things that you're either blessed with, or really not, and it's not really a function of size but of natural insertions and form
my big roid red flags are bulbous calves/forearms/traps or balloon arms + high definition
>>36619771
>a professional sportsman
>natty
Lad...
>>36619366
look at skateboarders, yogis, rubgy players, martial artists. that's naturally fit and still defined, just usually without a ton of mass. anyone who moves around a lot during the day will have a body like that.
>>36619425
>shitting in the toilet
I mean
It's what it was designed for
>>36619437
bro that's a pretty broad generalization
plenty of pro athletes are natty
>>36619644
It's not cheating if you are not on a competitive level you colossal faggot. If the whole world was in a competition to see who would have the best physique and roids where banned then it would be cheating
>>36620048
He's also on an alcohol bloat, shitty lighting and no time to dehydrate.
>>36619704
>guys it's a meme I swear I'm not retarded
>>36619644
Cheating is a valid evolutionary strategy. Tons of animals and creatures use deception as a hunting and survival tool.
>>36620188
>rugby players
>without a ton of mass
I sympathise with your statement (apart from the above) but depending on what you do during the day you might be a lot heavier than a yogi or a skateboarder, neither of whom are doing any heavy lifting.
Let's say you live in a tribe somewhere ("natural" life) and you wrestle other men in the tribe regularly (nohomo). Do you think you'll look like a skateboarder after wrestling other men for years, considering they'll be adding mass and presenting more of a challenge to you as time progresses?
Let's say you're working on a fishing boat in the North sea, either when the vikings were doing it or now and I'd imagine it still takes a lot of upper body strength even with modernisation of the process.
To illustrate it, the Highland games are ancestral so they date to tribal lifestyle in Scotland and they involve some serious feats of strength - caber toss etc.
If you're an Ethiopian yam farmer making a house out of mud then maybe there isn't much need to add more mass than a yogi or a skateboarder, but if you're a Northerner (Scot, Norwegian) and you're felling large trees and tossing the logs on their end as entertainment and then building a hall and 10-man boats out of that wood then surely you won't look lean and wiry.
>>36620253
Don't claim you are natty when you are not. Don't even hide it.
>>36620302
>a valid evolutionary strategy.
Evolution is genetic survival and the individual is caught up in that genetic propagation. I doubt you're saying the genetics have a "strategy" to propagate themselves, unless you think genes are intelligent.
Also you have to establish a set of rules in order to separate something into valid or invalid, and who would be able to do that for evolution? If anything the rules humans do have (about human conduct, not evolution) almost always say cheating is not ok.
Lastly you're missing the element of group co-operation, the way a predator/prey relationship works isn't the same as group co-operation (at least at face value).
>>36620387
Why not?
Most girls i've talked too dislike roided guys but i'm roided and they can never tell.
Eat shit pussy
>>36620336
rugby players i meant for those with a larger body type naturally.
it really comes down to body type, age, diet, and metabolism, and overall lifestyle choice.
f you live in a city, you're walking whether you want to or not, you'll be on your feet for at least 1-2 hours a day. if not, if you make daily consistent exercise your routine, or play sports for fun, and avoid the wrong foods, your body could tighten up easily.
clear liquor instead of beer, fruits over corn syrup, aim for high fiber and protein, you could probably do it.
if you have weight problems or live a sedentary lifestyle, it'll take more consistent effort, in their 40s with pretty compact bodies.
>>36620336
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strongman_%28strength_athlete%29
Some guys/men do it for fun and are pretty fucking huge, mind the fat, and what you call - strong.
>>36620405
Yes genetics do have strategies to propagate themselves, thats what species specialisation is all about
>>36619766
GOAL BODY
In answer to the question in the OP (What does a long-term fit natural body look like) I remembered there's an image with text here shared about how Navy Seals have the ideal natural, fit physique. Searching for it I found the image without the text.
>>36619437
>every olympic competitor,
no
the top 5-10 of every discipline perhaps.
there are "noobs" in the olympics as well, relatively speaking, who most certainly are not on roids.
>>36620996
most SOCOM guys juice after they make it through BUD/S, Ranger school, etc. Once you make it into the teams all the endurance is really trumped by strength. Modern technology makes being able to run 15 miles practically irrelevant - but being to carry a 200 + gear buddy off the battlefield really requires being able to squat the extra weight. I've the ratio is like 5:2 juice to natty
>>36621123
wtf people use roids in the military?
>>36621139
Why wouldn't they? Its against regs but higher ups really dont give a shit. Your job is to be deadlier than your enemies - why wouldn't you juice if it gives you the upper hand
>>36619472
He seems like a real loser, if you're in you're late 30s and still look like a shredded cunt you did something wrong.
You either go Husbando or bear mode, but this just seems pathetic, I also highly doubt he is clean, he is so frustrated too
>>36621062
>guys outside top10 don't take roids even though top10 guys do so they obviously help. and the sport is an olympic sport
your IQ must be negative
>>36621139
Dude. DUDE.
OK. Right now, I want you to go to the yelp page, or yellow pages, or whatever for Hollywood, or LA, or whatever. Type in "testosterone clinic" or "men's clinic".
The guys in military, police, Hollywood, etc who aren't heavily roiding, the rest of them get treatment for " low T" with a wink and a nod.
One of.my training buddies is 28 and is "being treated", after being told how to spoof the test for diagnosis (tanking it ahead of time). He was told to do this by his co-workers, who all go to the same " doc".
Open your eyes, fuck.
>>36621247
Sorry dude I'm only 19, never had to deal with that kind of stuff. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though.
>>36619766
Ur much fatter and he's much larger
It's not that helpful of a comparison
Dem popping shoulders
Def. Roids
>>36619995
More knawledge pls
>>36621247
Gotta find the good clinics that believe you need 500mg/w rather than 250. Even if you spoof the test
>>36620188
>rugby players
>natty
As a former rugby player and current coach, I tell you a great deal of players are on something, most commonly Stanozolol
>>36621247
>One of.my training buddies is 28 and is "being treated", after being told how to spoof the test for diagnosis (tanking it ahead of time). He was told to do this by his co-workers, who all go to the same " doc".
Does this require a doctor who is on your side? Is anyone ever taken off TRT?
>>36621213
>I only lift for girls
>>36621388
If you go to a youth clinic, the doctor is basically on your side. They make money by prescribing test. They can just say your test is not high enough for your age after doing a blood test and put you on test. You won't get taken off
>>36621425
>youth clinic
I turn 31 next week.
>You won't get taken off
Is there a reason not to do this, then? Is it disruptive of natural testosterone production?
>>36621500
You're a perfect candidate then.
You stop producing your own test and shut down your HPG axis for reproduction. If you ever want kids you pretty much just go on HCG I think to get your balls working again. I don't know much about this so you should Google it
>>36619766
Lookin good bro. Here's my contribution at 6'0 185 with good lighting and a 4 day tan. Natty lifter for a bit over 3 years, but always did athletic shit in my youth.
>>36621213
>becoming fat on purpose
fuck off disgusting fatty
>>36621606
Looking good anon. Mirin that high-test chick
>>36619410
So does /fit/ though.
>>36620481
Well, I got news for you: this is where the "you're cheating" comes from. You are lying to people and they want to expose it. Blame yourself that it happens.
>>36619766
wow fucking mirin man
I would love to be able to do normal social shit like drink and eat junk occasionally and look like that
>>36621139
>>36619505
>500ml of test
You stupid fuck not even Bostin Loyd takes that much gear
>>36619241
It's so sad all you weak dyels will accuse anyone who is bigger than u of being on roids. Just bc u don't have discipline to achieve a body like that doesn't mean he's unnatural. Now maybe he is maybe he isn't taking steroids who knows but that physique is achievable natty. Stop being a bunch of pussy ass haters a put in real work to achieve the body u want
>>36622875
Half a liter per week son
>>36623031
By having the mentality that every great physique is unnatty u create a ceiling for yourself and u will never reach ur goals
>>36619241
Thats achievable natty
>>36623031
it's not only his size, it's how lean he is and the way he looks. The naturals I've seen confirmed tend never look that lean and dry.
>>36623071
Just bc it isn't typical doesn't mean it's not achievable
>>36623044
This so much.
>>36623087
well, even if it's a matter of realistic vs. unrealistic expectations it's understandable people would want to know how unlikely it is.
I think mostly it's a waste of time to obsess about it, but if you want to optimise then it's all about what's expected and observed in others.
>>36619505
A pint of test a week. Wew.
>>36621213
one of the worst opinion i ever read
This dude's physique is certainly attainable natty. You need good genes AND years of work though. It requires being active since your teens. If you just started getting your shit together at 24, it's not gonna happen.
>>36619771
But if he plays Pro rugby, then yeah, he's juicing.
Most NFL players are /fraud/, and I'd imagine rugby is similar.
>>36623168
I agree it is a waste of time to obsess over who's natural and who's not. It causes you to lower your expactations on what u can actually achieve and you'll never meet your full potential
>>36619766
h-how'd you get those calves anon?
>>36619425
go back to your containment board!
>>36619766
if this guy was 15 pounds leaner hed look like op, so i believe op could def be natty but with years on his belt
>>36621318
If you ask 500mg/wk makes you look pretty unnatty after a while.
Unless youre insertions are awesome and youre 6f+, this is not a good thing
Do you guys think David Laid is on roads?
My friend says he isn't.
>>36619241
>>36619285
>>36619343
>>36623048
>>36619771
rugby players aren't natty you faggot
Are you fucking retarded? How is that achievable naturally?
Permanently on a test cruise, perhaps. But Naturally? No mate, that's not what naturals look like.
>>36621606
>beach-chad mode with hot gf
>still comes to a Himalayan prostate massage discussion forum
m8
>>36619772
Nice rep
>>36620253
>>36619821
>>36619864
So angry
>>36621606
nice dude
>>36623214
When people say 'active since teens' what level of activity do you mean? Do you mean shit like playing footy all through high school or could it just be stuff like skating or surfing
>>36619241
that dude's body is eons better than mine but damn i feel bad that he's got that awful jawline/double chin combo
>>36621123
thats basically true since combat requires sprinting and rucking it would make no fucking sense to run any farther than 5 miles at a time hell the military PT test should change to rucking 5-10 miles with 40-80lbs of wheight sprinting to complete an agility drill or timed event, and then pullups since theres little need to do pushups especially when 8 count burpees make most body weight workouts look like childs play
also DHEA is legal so theres that for an alternative its not as strong but its safe as fuck so long as you stack it with DIM to keep the estrogen levels down
>>36619766
mirin
>>36624263
Sports and at least some off-season lifting.
Skateboarding is not exercise.
>>36624345
Yeah didn't think so. Damn.
>>36619443
More like Trump shills desu.
>inb4 you expect me to believe they all lift
I've seen faces of /pol/ where they included their bodies if they were feeling too insecure to post their face.
A lot of them are skinny-fats/obese fucks.
>>36620996
Is that a chink in the back?
>>36619241
probably natty, literally every dude that goes to a photoshoot lift enough to get dat pump and also lights are always angled so we can see abs more
>>36619241
google jeff cavalier from athleanX. this is probably the natty limit, especially since he is a manlet.
the guy in the pic is either on roids or on photoshop. a natty would have slightly smaller shoulders and would look more "depleted" then this guy.
>>36619415
>what the fuck...has every buff dude I've seen in pop-culture been on roids?
yes.
that does not mean that you cant be impressive for normies as a natty though. fight club brad pitt is fucking shredded for normies, and that is easily achievable natty (as in he does not have that much mass).
>>36619285
Yeah my faggot ass brother has that physique natty, he has been lifting for quite a few years though.
>>36625380
I am sure your brother has a higher body fat percentage than the guy in OP's picture. To keep that amount of muscle mass with that little fat is almost impossible if you're natty. If he doesn't it's time to ask your brother why he would lie about something so silly such as steroid usage.
>>36619766
Nice frame dude. Can you post a pic of what you looked like before you lifted?
Your wrists look 8" plus, mine are a measly 6'75-7 at the same height
>thinking you can spot any and all roid use visually by size
oh man you guys dont know anything
