>>36608472
>new to fit
>already knows isley

I use Pre workout every other month or so and cycle my usage of it so I don't develop a tolerance

You can just black Coffee tho honestly and you'll get the same amount of "pump" you would from pre workout

>taking pre work out
>not injecting shark testosterone and creatine
>not gonna make it

Try C4 50x. Way better than the original and two scoops will have you there. Try splitting 1 scoop and 1 caffeine pill, as caffeine is the main ingredient. Or just stick to black coffee and caffeine pills. Highly recommend C4 50x though. Tons of beta alanine and caff

>>36608485
whats isley?

>>36608487
it doesn't work as well in my opinion.
if i'm not moving i get itchy, so i'm constantly forced to lift
it's weird but it works

>>36608493
What's a regular dosage/price of caffeine pills? I can just get it at a grocery store right?

>>36608509
Not him, but I spent $6 on 60 pills of 200mg. I take one pill on weekday evenings and two when I get up at 6 am on the weekends to exercise. Works better than any pre workouts I've tried. I also take a creatine supplement pre but that's it. Any brand will work, caffeine is caffeine.

>>36608502
lurk more

>>36608472
I used to, but now I just use caffeine pills. If you want the tingles, take beta alanine. it's cheaper this way.

>>36608472

my own experiences

>using prews - feel good pumps
>no prews - not good pumps
>coffe as prew - not good pumps
>roiding at minimal dosage - amazing pumps

i recommend preworkouts from peak (plutonium) or mp wreckage