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Fat is my favourite macro and I eat a lot of it. My favourite foods are nuts, meat, olives, eggs, dairy.
I personally don't notice a difference between high or low fat. People say 'fat keeps you full' or 'carbs give you energy'. If I eat 30g or 300+g of carbs I'm usually kinda hungry and have plenty of energy. I just eat lots of fat because it's so damn delicious
What really is the difference between "good" and "bad" fats as far as what foods you should and should not eat? I'm starting on keto and still having some problems figuring stuff out, but I'm kind of stuck just using heavy cream in my coffee and, well, not much else. I need ideas
>>36566523
Eat fatty meat once per day. Use olive oil for low heat cooking, and a good butter/animal fat for high heat. Eat lots of fatty fish, canned sardines make a GOAT snack. Lots of nuts and olives and avocado. 12 eggs/week. Dairy every now and then. This is just how I personally like to eat, I love these foods. I eat a lot of veggies, oats, quinoa and sweet potato too
>>36565610
Go keto if you like fat.
>>36566523
Depends on if you trust the medical field or the health vloggers.
>>36566660
I like carbs a lot too, especially from veggies
>>36566625
Pics pls
>>36566804
Pics of what?
>>36567212
Current body pics
>>36566625
>oats, quinoa, sweet potatoes
Uhhh I've heard to avoid all of those things if you're shooting for keto
I'm also trying to stack a pescetarian diet on top of this so fatty fish and sardines it is. I also like tuna with about a tbsp or so of mayo, I just wanted to know some other options. I try to avoid foods that I can easily snack on so I can resist temptation to just keep grabbing them
>>36565610
>>36566523
>>36566625
>>36566660
do you even science brah ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUWcgh5Ju9g
>>36567255
Even if its not for weight loss, I just physically feel better when I don't eat a lot of carbs
>>36567322
your body runs on carbs. i suggest you test your insulin resistance which is caused by fat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFai4iVOtk
>>36567322
i'm guessing prediabetes ?
i just made this
is overdoing on butter fine? it's an idiotproof way to get calories
>>36567426
Get this cancer out of here
>>36567452
hello
>>36567436
>it's an idiot way to get calories
fix'd
>>36567436
Cooking with butter is fine, just know that it's good to get variety of sources for fat. I'd suggest mixing it up with more fish-related fat sources.
Eat the Sardines and salmon. Enjoy the sweet nectar of the sea.
do you even keto
>>36567468
my salmon is grown on land in tanks.
>>36567346
That video doesn't even mention sugar as being the cause of diabetes, when the majority of carbs that people consume come from rice and other grains that are prominent in Asian countries, well, it doesn't really translate to an argument for or against diabetes.
>>36567383
Huh?
>>36567507
sugar is not the cause of type 2 diabetes, fat is the thing that causes insulin resistance, then your body will not support sugar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRZduVxlP_U
>>36567507
i suggest you check your doctor because i think you are about to get diabetes.
when the body rejects sugar and crave fats it is a sign.
>>36567507
Not sugar, but glucose.
Glucose is the easiest energy source to get and some people are EXTREMELY efficient at glucose transformation and are really REALLY fucking sensitive to it.
An apple is enough to make them bounce off of the walls.
People who are relatively overweight/obese and eat over a certain threshhold of foods that transform into glucose and are highly sensitive to it have been shown to develop type 2 diabetes at astonishingly high rates.
Once they have been shown to be diabetic or have high blood sugar then they have no choice but to go completely cold turkey off of basically all sugars and foods that are quickly and easily transformed into glucose in the body. Like wheat.
The reason why people with type 2 are given insulin? It's to keep them ingesting carb heavy foods. I mean, if all of the people who're suffering from a disease that is cause by modern society stopped doing that thing that exacebrates it, many industries will die overnight and many more government programs that push those things will be brought to task by the public.
So give them a drug instead of giving them a simple cure that works.
>>36567553
are u fucking retarded
>>36567599
what didn't you understand anon. ask me
>>36567669
Being relatively overweight and being very senstive too and or ingesting too much sugar/quickly converted to glucose foods is what causes type 2 and pre diabetes.
>>36567255
You're not quoting that asshat, are you?
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/the-llvlc-show-episode-686-dr-john-mcdougall-pushes-starchy-diets-for-all/18499
http://www.dietdoctor.com/dr-mcdougall-in-shocking-vegan-interview
>>36567553
This is well known in the paleo community. If you eat a high fat diet, you become fat adapted, and sudden spikes in carbs will lead to elevated blood sugar. If you take someone who is eating a high fat diet, they have normal blood sugar levels. If you give them a few days to adapt back to a high carb diet, they can handle carb spikes again.
>>36567567
Even if I'm staying away from sweet, sugary foods that are the usual culprits for glucose/insuljb spikes and all that other stuff? Most of what I eat is protein/fish and vegetables. Plus for the fats, cooking with butter/olive oil, mayo in tuna, etc. Etc.
I like to think I have a relatively healthy diet, plus if I'm eating a a consistent general caloric deficit, I feel like I'm not too high on the risk scale for diabetes.
>>36567576
I mean, I USED to have extremely poor eating habits, high sugar and carbs all the time, soda, pizza, etc. Etc. But that was like 2-3 years and about 110 lbs back
>>36567908
You're doing well, a high fat low carb diet is perfectly healthy. Ignore the shills.
>>36567908
if you don't feel good when eating carbs, it is a sign that you're becoming insulin resistant.
>>36567687
that's not what the science say anon.
type 2 diabetes (insulin resistance) is caused by Intramyocellular lipids (literally fat inside the cell)
>>36567753
that man is one of the greatest USA doctors.
favorite*
Fix yourself, stupid fuck.
>>36567753
>quoting jimmy moore and andreas eenfeldt instead
mcdougall made a funny video about jimmy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PutaZQN8R34
>>36568039
Great doctors don't need to resort to name calling in an interview to avoid constructive argument. The guy is nauseating to listen to, and presents no evidence to back up his claims beside half assed statements about the war ancient cultures developed based on starchy diets.
>>36567793
taking too much fat may give you type 2 diabetes. Intramyocellular lipids cause insulin resistance.
>>36567346
>insulin resistance which is caused by fa
Fucking lol.
>>36568082
>being told facts
>lol it away
go play elsewhere kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktQzM2IA-qU
>>36567984
Hold up, that doesn't make any sense against what I've looked up. Maybe a couple years ago I would be more apt to believe you because I was fat and lazy, but I don't see myself running any of the risk factors for insulin resistance since I'm now at a much healthier weight with a more balanced diet and also way way way more physically active than I ever was before.
Plus I've cut back on all the foods that are the usual culprits for glucose spikes and insulin troubles, like starches/sugars/grains/whatever. I think you are reaching too far on just this one thing. In any case it seems like eating more and more and more of these foods would lead more to insulin resistance (progressive overload) than would eating less of them or making a lifestyle/mental change that leads to me eating different foods (fats > carbs)
>>36568082
Why do you think obesity increases your diabetes risk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQH50tCEbdw
>>36568081
Agreed on the too much issue, ultimately getting fat is a problem and can happen from any kind of calories. But insulin resistance is triggered by chronically elevated insulin levels, which comes from having high sugar intake combined with muscle and fast cells that are already saturated with glucose.
>>36568078
he is a hall of famer who has been publishing peer-reviewed scientific papers and treating patients for 40 years.
the fat you eat is the fat you wear. (if you're on a caloric surplus) the body literally put that fat on your fatass, if you take a fat biopsie to a lab you can know the type of fats that person is eating literally.
>>36567247
Mash that shit up with half an avocado. Canned salmon is even better, O3 and low mercury
>>36568173
>if you're on a caloric surplus
There it is
>>36568107
what will you lose ? check your fucking blood sugar after a bowl of rice, it isn't that hard.
>>36568183
Just canned salmon mashed up with half an avocado? Canned salmon is relatively cheap around here so I'll have to try it out. I can't remember if I liked avocado the last time I had it, it's been a while.
>>36568199
sugar isn't stored as fat if you're on a caloric surplus, it is stored in the liver as glycogen, then when the liver is full, some is burned as heat calories and the rest will be stored as fat inefficiently (30% of it will be used to execute the process)
>>36568229
Yup. It's also delicious on its own. Really really good for you, 3x the calories though
>>36568173
Excess energy from food is stored in the body, It can be fat or sugar.
Once the systems that NEED the energy from food are replinshed and the body is repaired the rest is stored as fat or is simply floating around in the body, ready to be used during some activity.
It's why bodybuilders and athletes are almost always in an overfed state. To power their bodies during their activities, give it more to rebuild, and get them ready for any other activities they need to do during the day and next workout.
The people who are chronically underfed or eat less, however tend to have more hormonal reaction and will respond better to any activity along with moments of excess caloric intake.
This is all conjecture though and I would like to hear thoughts from other people.
>>36568107
>I've cut back on all the foods that are the usual culprits for glucose spikes and insulin troubles, like starches/sugars/grains/whatever.
>it seems like eating more and more and more of these foods would lead more to insulin resistance
Because unprocessed starches like oatmeal, beans, brown rice, and sweet potato come with fiber and resistant starch, they help maintain stable blood sugar levels and don't have high insulin requirements. They decrease your risk for diabetes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15162131
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16400060
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24158434
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22132324
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v63/n1/abs/1602902a.html
Fatty foods and meats lower insulin sensitivity while also causing large insulin secretions, making it more likely you'll develop diabetes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942738/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2628696/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173026/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23779232
>>36568268
see this >>36568263
the body is inefficient at storing sugar as body fat
but it is very efficient at storing the fat as body fat.
this is science 101, the thing why people blame sugar is because it's easy to get into a calorie surplus eating sugary foods, the the body will store the fat you ate as body fat.
but people have low IQ, and they don't understand what's really going on inside the body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KBicWwnCdg
>>36568288
Good post. Will dedicate my next steak to you
Are nuts bad for you?
I eat atleast 50g of mixed nuts a day. I hear the Omega 6 will kill me but mostly from paleo nutters.
I eat about 5 cans of sardines a week and salmon for dinner 2x a week
Thanks
>>36568322
So you're saying that excess sugar and foods that are quickly turned to glucose, which is basically the culprit for ALL type 2 diabeties in america, is the problem.
That fat is more readily turned to fat.
That eating starchy foods that come with a lot of fiber does not cause excess fat gain.
That people who don't eat much sugar will get a sugar spike when they eat a little.
...
I don't understand.
It's like you're trying to frame what everyone here is agreeing is correct in such a way as to make eating fatty foods seem like the direct cause.
If we go by the logic that you're trying to push, then people would never develop diabetes if they only ate sugar and glucose heavy foods and nothing else.
>>36568358
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/nuts-may-help-prevent-death/
yes nuts are good
>>36568407
>If we go by the logic that you're trying to push, then people would never develop diabetes if they only ate sugar and glucose heavy foods and nothing else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aFxzAZdv7Y
Thoughts?
>>36567452
C'mon :3
https://chriskresser.com/have-some-butter-with-your-veggies/
Fat increases absorption of some nutrients 18 times
>>36568434
China also has both low body mass index, high levels of physical activity, they also eat meat as well.
The fuck are you even saying.
>>36568407
imagine an engine that runs on electricity, some water got into it, now it can't handle electricity, it gives it Short circuit. it should never run on electricity now.
what is the cause of the failure of that engine, do you blame the electricity ? or the water
[the electricity is sugar, and water is the fat]
again watch this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRZduVxlP_U
>If we go by the logic that you're trying to push, then people would never develop diabetes if they only ate sugar and glucose heavy foods and nothing else.
YES, like asians, who consume carb-dense foods like rice, and still get lower rates of diabetes.
>>36568489
Watch the video first
>>36565610
I love fat, I consume whole milk, cheese, nuts, peanut butter, olive oil, coconut oil, fish.
>>36568288
>fit told me low insulin sensitivity was good
>get fit on low carb high fat diet
>blood test showed highest number in "normal" range just below "prediabetes"
Well, that's enough anecdotal evidence to believe you. Plus you know, the fact that you have a folder of pubmed sources. I'm going to make some sweet potato fries in your honor anon.
>>36568494
Fat increases how insulin sensitive you are.
This does not mean that high carb diets are good for you and are blameless.
You also conveniently ignore every other lifestyle factor of the average chinese persons life and fail to put that into proper perspective.
Holy fuck you people are stupid.
First things first, getting ripped, and being healthy, are two entirely different things. So many people in the fitness world want to act like they're the epitome of health. They are NOT. People who are into fitness do so much shit that is NOT aimed at overall health, and much more aimed at vanity. Take a look at all the athletes and body builders who take performance enhancing drugs, despite all the negative repercussions. Or the people that run marathons and/or put their bodies through extreme punishment, and call it some kind of success.
Eating a balanced diet, with the right amount of calories, is a recipe for health. The smaller you stay and the less you eat, the better off you are from a health standpoint. Also, eating an array of foods keeps deficiencies at bay, and give your gut a host of nutrients to choose from.
You can eliminate starchy carbs from your diet and remain very healthy. It's been demonstrated a million times. Fat is also not the boogey man it was once believed. Many people in the medical community are backtracking.
Everything in moderation.
>>36568728
dude, the science on diabetes has passed the factor analyse, we know exactly the equation of the insulin insensitivity, the only factor that is necessary for that is Intramyocellular lipids (literally fat inside your cells).
>>36568775
>You can eliminate starchy carbs from your diet and remain very healthy. It's been demonstrated a million times. Fat is also not the boogey man it was once believed. Many people in the medical community are backtracking.
Started out strong but here you just sound like a crazy person
>>36568775
This a hundred times, I don't see why you would eliminate starchy carbs though
>>36568822
>>36568833
Sorry - didn't mean to come off that you should or need to. Was simply making the point that they can be eliminated. You body gets all the carbs it really needs from other sources.
>>36568494
I don't think Asians eat rice at the same consistently that your average type 2 diabetic eats sugar
>>36568781
Eliminating fat from your diet so that you can gorge on sugary foods is stupid.
Stop repeating that.
It's wrong.
>>36568870
asians are small and malnourished (by a typical americans standards, lel) they may eat a lot of rice, but they don't OVEREAT... they eat just enough to get by... so all those carbs they're eating don't have a chance to be stored as fat because they are being used. Unlike an american who is eating everything in sight. American Asians are much fatter than their authentic counterparts... it's because they have an overabundance of money and shitty food.
![20269[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gjU8CqO.jpg "20269[1].jpg")
>>36568868
>You body gets all the carbs it really needs from other sources.
I hope you're not talking about gluconeogenesis. Really the only way to get carbs above the basic level needed to be alive is either through sugar (fruits) or starch (grains, beans, sweet potatoes). Cutting out either of those doesn't make for a healthy diet. What you should do is
http://www.wcrf.org/int/research-we-fund/cancer-prevention-recommendations/plant-foods
>Eat relatively unprocessed cereals (grains) and/or pulses (legumes) with every meal
And
>[600g of fruits daily]
And as far as the medical community, polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats have been considered healthy for a long time, although nobody says to eat unlimited amounts or extreme proportions of them. Saturated fats and trans fats are well accepted as unhealthy and the only turnaround we've had with that is magazine journalists reporting on faulty studies to get views.
>>36568927
Even when rural chinese eat more calories, more carbs, even though they're shorter, they weigh less with a smaller BMI than Americans
>>36568994
You continue to misrepresent things to push a narrative. It's stupid. Stop it.
>>36568980
600g of fruit is too much sugar, and legumes and grains have photo nutrients and shouldn't be eaten with every meal
Lots of oats at breakfast, sweet potato/barley/whatever for lunch, and 1-2 pieces of fruit daily will more than cover your minimum carbs to not feel like shit, eat more if you want
>>36568980
Bro...
Fruits are absolutely a part of any healthy diet. I never said anything eliminated carbs or fruit is bad. I only said starchy carbs can be eliminated.
You get carbs from vegetables as well. Not on the same level, but again, your brain will get what it needs.
Saturated fat is also not unhealthy.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/01/enjoy-saturated-fats-theyre-good-for-you.aspx
Read that and get learned up real good kay?
>>36569040
>600g of fruit is too much sugar
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
"The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars."
> and legumes and grains have photo nutrients and shouldn't be eaten with every meal
That's one of the reasons WHY they should be eaten with every meal.
What's with this
>you'll feel like shit without 300 g. of carbs every day
meme?
>>36569068
The WHO is corrupt as fuck bruh.
>>36569088
+1
The worlds food supply is absolutely fucked.
>>36569068
I meant anti nutrients and phytates and lectins and protease inhibitors and shit. Not really a big deal but I l'd eat them less than twice a day
Also
No difference between the fructose in fruits and in corn syrup. I have never cared about nutritional guidelines, I just eat real, whole foods
>>36569192
theres also no difference in the h20 of your drinking water and all the water in the ocean...
liberal logic detected
>>36569048
>Read that and get learned up real good kay?
Okay, let me take a look at this Dr. Mercola article
Starts out with a conspiracy theory that misrepresents history and casts libel against an old scientist, then links to a discredited meta-analysis, and then proceeds to blame carbs for everything, citing Gary Taubes as a reference.
If this is where you're learning from you need a new teacher.
First point about his slander against Ancel Keys
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2014nl/jun/ppkeys.htm
Links to responses to the dairy industry funded meta-analysis he cites to say researchers have found no difference in heart attack or stroke rates in high vs low saturated fat eaters
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/91/3/497.full
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/92/2/459.2.long
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/92/2/458.long
Here's a set of videos that actually break the analysis down study by study so you can see why it's not a respected paper and how people like this use it to mislead the public
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Tx9dCbv-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wi9dzkTiU4
>>36569214
>>36569048
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>>36569088
Why?
>>36569192
>I meant anti nutrients and phytates and lectins and protease inhibitors and shit.
The harmful things are generally destroyed by cooking (never eat raw kidney beans). Some "anti nutrients" like phytates are actually good for you, being implicated as a reason why high-fiber foods like whole grains and beans lower colon cancer risk
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7499&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=res_&printer_friendly=1
>No difference between the fructose in fruits and in corn syrup
Chemically, no, but how it's being delivered is very different. Refined food components are bad. Even refined vitamins and minerals have been found to be potentially harmful. The bad things associated with refined fructose haven't been found to associate with actual fruits, while fruits are known to have a lot of health benefits, especially dark fruits. The fiber, vitamin C, and phytochemicals are a net benefit.
>>36565610
>Beer is my favourite macro and I drink a lot of it. My favourite foods are beer.
>I personally don't notice a difference between comercial or micro beer. People say 'beer keeps you full' or 'coke give you energy'. If I drink 30cg or 300+cg of beer I'm usually kinda happy and have plenty of energy. I just drink lots of beer because it's so damn delicious
>>36569301
Beer is a poison
Fat is a blessing from God that everyone should eat more of
>>36569348
Are you trying to get us to eat you?
>>36569365
/thread
this fatty motherfucker is a fat addict, let him enjoy his very probable heart attacks and diabetes.
>>36569348
another fat pig creating threads so he can hear good things about his bad habits from other fat pigs.
enjoy your diseases.
>>36569577
>>36569567
Yeah. At least beer beat fat by a cumshot in some random slag's tits. Or is it just to me that beer does it?
>>36569567
>>36569577
>fat makes you fat
>>36569824
>1+1=2
