>tfw i fell for the if it meets your calories meme
>tfw pic related happens when you cut
this is why i dont visit /fit/ anymore
listening to neet neckbeards talk about fitness when its still their first month lifting is never a good idea
>>36561451
Crazy fad diets working for ya?
that should have been pretty blantly stupid to you already.
>>36561470
totally
>>36561451
Dumbass probably ate 1,500 calories of cake on a cut. lol
>tfw keto
>losing fat and gaining muscle
>eat what I want without counting calories
>depression gone
carbs are literal shit
>>36561451
>tfw NEVER get hunger pangs and have to force myself to eat
bulking is a fucking pain
>>36561460
It's not a fad if it works you cuck.
>>36561691
Works for some
Not for others
> 221lbs before
> current 196 lbs
Keto is top tier
>>36562137
You can eat beans on keto
>>36562156
>63g carbs per 100g
No.
>>36562191
They're low glycemic and highly satiating, just don't go crazy with them.
>>36562156
Nigga stay away from beans
>>36562219
Why?
>low carb athletes
lmfao
>>36562233
Idk. Those Keto people say so. High in carbs. Fiber is good tho. And anti nutrients but I never really believed that shite. Mostly cause high carbs mate
>>36562275
Which i already responded...
>>36562218
They're high in protein and fiber, they're low glycemic and highly satiating. Just don't go nuts with them.
>>36562137
Nuts?
Jesus christ here go buy this:
Non-fat yogurt
Granola
Frozen Chicken Breasts
Microwave oats
Frozen bags of mixed berries
Tuna fish
Whole grain mustard
Single serving frozen veggies when they are BOGO
Hummus and carrot sticks
Halo oranges
Eggs
Spinach
Eat only those foods for two months and enjoy not being a fat fuck.
>>36562308
Just eat ad much a I want? Pretty sure I'll get fat on this diet.
>>36562308
>Jesus christ here go
Fuck off
>>36562308
thats a pretty shit diet from an obvious dyel
>>36562308
>Non-fat yogurt
>>36562219
but beans is a huge staple in my diet
WTF man?
>>36562316
Map your macros and calories and this diet will be fine. Lean proteins, good tasting and plenty of fiber/micronutrients
>>36562326
K, what's yours?
>>36561451
How the fuck do I atkins without buying their stupid proprietary garbage?
>>36562615
you...eat the food...
>>36562632
I don't have the money to spend on whatever overpriced shit they sell
>>36562137
>Dairy, cheese, heavy whipping cream
>no skim milk
Can someone explain this to me?
>>36562680
cheese and cream don't have carbs
milk (any variant) has carbs (lactose)
>>36562137
No milk? Fuck keto then
>>36562308
>Non-fat yogurt
tastes awful
>Tuna fish
enjoy your mercury poisoning
>Eggs
I don't wanna get a stroke at 40
>>36561797
Fad diets work for short-term weight loss. They're fads because they're gimmicky and unhealthy and quickly get replaced by new, equally stupid fad diets.
>The Director of Yale University's Center for Eating and Weight Disorders explains the miracle formula used by diet books to become bestsellers for over a century now: "easy, rapid weight loss; the opportunity to eat your favorite foods and some scientific 'breakthrough' that usually doesn't exist."[95] The rapid loss of initial water weight seen particularly on low carb diets has an additional sales benefit. By the time people gain back the weight, they may have already told all their friends to buy the book, and the cycle continues. This has been used to explain why low carb diets have been such "cash cows" for publishers over the last 140 years.[96] As one weight loss expert notes, "Rapid water loss is the $33-billion diet gimmick."[97]
>>36562830
>quickly get replaced by new
keto has been around for a long time and isn't going anywhere
>>36562830
And traditional diets have short term losses too, or flat out don't work at all. The problem isn't the specific diet but the mentality of long term "dieting". People aren't ready for the long term change required so they're going to fail in the long term.
Low carb diets work because for the most part our ancestors ate fairly low carbohydrate diets(there were exceptions of course). Keto isn't a new and crazy idea, plenty of cultures were practicing keto before it was ever formalized into a diet. People ate eggs and fatty cuts of meat in abundance before keto. They didn't have access to the super concentrated carb heavy foods we have today. It's not some crazy new idea, the idea that starch was fattening was a bit of fairly common knowledge 70 years ago.
>tfw lost 50 pounds just by eating less of everything
It's not rocket surgery, but hey if a fad diet is working for you then by all means.
>>36562308
What do you put the whole grain mustard on?
>>36562779
>2016
>still believing the cholesterol meme
>>36561691
>keto
So you're a hamplanet, got it. Report back on how well that meme diet works when you get below 12%.
>>36562849
Keto's come and gone under many different names.
>>36562922
>Low carb diets work because for the most part our ancestors ate fairly low carbohydrate diets(there were exceptions of course).
I don't see why that would make them work, but no our ancestors didn't anyway.
>Keto isn't a new and crazy idea, plenty of cultures were practicing keto before it was ever formalized into a diet.
Name one. Even the inuit don't live in ketosis.
>They didn't have access to the super concentrated carb heavy foods we have today.
Damn near every culture had access to carb heavy foods. They were heavily relied upon by every large civilization since civilization began.
>>36562998
It isn't about me being fat as fatass like you, but looking aesthetic after bulking up and getting it cut down. shit fucked me up and now i look like shit again
I don't subscribe to these extreme diet shit where people cut entire macros out of their diet, but goddamn. Ever since I started eating protein and focusing on getting enough of it I've had crazy energy.
>Atkins diet
the guy who made it died in his like 50s/60s of heart disease
>wow such health for long life!
>>36563270
>Even the inuit don't live in ketosis.
How do you know somthing like that? Did you collect urine samples from inuit's from 200 years ago?
>Damn near every culture had access to carb heavy foods
Try comparing bread from 100 years ago to bread today. They've replaced the protein found in older strains of wheat with a higher load of carbohydrate through hybridization.
>>36563319
He didn't die of heart disease or in his 60's.
There is no link between saturated fat and high cholesterol consumption and heart disease.
>be 265lbs
>try out psmf
>for the first time ever my life doesn't revolve around food anymore
>lost 11.5lbs in first 2 weeks with 1 cheat day where i ate like 4k cals at a bbq
fad diet or not, it's working for me, i dont see it as a diet but as a way to "quickstart" a new lifestyle of healthy eating
I'm probably gonna do this for 10 weeks or so and then just eat healthy at a 500 cal deficit.
to be honest i probably would've failed had i just started with the 500 deficit first.
you know if you have steady blood sugar, that means your insulin sensitivity is shit and or if its constantly elevated youre diabetic
>>36563356
What is psmf?
>>36562830
>cutting out sugar
>unhealthy
>>36563356
>lost 11.5 lbs in 2 weeks
yes that is your muscle mass and water weight
your insulin sensitivity will be so high that weight gain will be easily put back on once you eat normally
also you probably lift 100lbs on deadlift
>>36563374
protein sparing modified fast
it's an extreme diet for obese people to lose as much weight as quickly as possible. you pretty much only eat protein to try and retain muscle. something like that
>>36561451
You're a fucking idiot. Your body stores excess consumption as fat regardless of source. Keto, atkins or whatever you want to call your low carb diet DOES help lose weight in the short term, because it lowers water retention, but it doesn't burn fat in the long term any better.
>>36563374
Protein-Sparing Modified Fast
basically intermitting fasting in where you eat your daily goal of protons.
I eat between 5 and 7pm everyday, as an example today i ate 550g of chicken, 1 can of tuna in water, and a cup of broccoli, around 1k calories, 160g protons, less than 15g carbs.
the idea is to eat as little as possible while hitting your protein goal to minimize muscle loss since you're eating very little calories a day.
>>36563445
High carbohydrate foods promote the production of insulin which causes fat storage. If you continuously eat high carbohydrate foods your body will have high insulin levels for long periods after you eat.
If you have high insulin levels, your body will not burn fat for fuel but will in turn burn the remaining glucose in bloodstream, then tell you "hey asshole its time to eat " before it ever taps into your fat. Insulin is the key here, it's responsible for most of the fat storage. If you eat a diet high in fat you will have even levels of blood sugar and your insulin levels will be low, thus allowing your body to easily tap into your fat.
>>36563411
>never mentioned in post
kill yourself
>>36563349
>He didn't die of heart disease or in his 60's.
His coroner report showed he had a history of heart attack, hypertension, and congestive heart failure. Pic related.
>There is no link between saturated fat and high cholesterol consumption and heart disease.
Of course there is.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/Nutrition/Frequently-Asked-Questions-About-Saturated-Fats_UCM_463756_Article.jsp#.VvoWolNrVEI
>>36561451
>atkins diet
holy fuck you're beyond retarded
>>36563496
that's some class A bro science. Do you have literature to back these statement, friend?
>>36563496
>If you have high insulin levels, your body will not burn fat for fuel but will in turn burn the remaining glucose in bloodstream
You mean it burns glycogen, but similar concept. It's basically an intermediate storage for sugars, the resting level of which is greatly lowered in a low carb diet.
But what you seem to be missing here is that your body cannot manifest energy from nowhere. When a person burns glycogen instead of fat directly, this must be replenished, and it will do so with gluconeogenesis using fat as fuel if you don't eat your TDEE.
>then tell you "hey asshole its time to eat " before it ever taps into your fat.
So you don't fucking eat, problem solved.
>>36563526
>American Heart Association
>>36563546
>that's some class A bro science. Do you have literature to back these statement, friend?
That Insulin is a fat storage hormone? Try looking at the fucking wikipedia article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin
>So you don't fucking eat, problem solved.
Being hungry all the time isn't a fucking solution to most people.
>>36563582
No, I mean for the rest of this ass shit you're spouting
![egyptian%20diet%20-%20top[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PfU1Lts.jpg "egyptian%20diet%20-%20top[1].jpg")
>>36563323
>How do you know somthing like that? Did you collect urine samples from inuit's from 200 years ago?
Scientists have studied it.
http://www.jbc.org/content/80/2/461
"It may be said at once that the Eskimo on his usual [diet] shows no ketosis and has high tolerance to ingested glucose. On fasting he develops a ketosis, but only of mild degree compared to that observed with other human subjects"
"the metabolism of the foodstuffs contained in the Eskimo [diet] would not be expected to cause ketosis, because the calculated antiketogenic effects of the large protein ingestion was somewhat more than enough to offset the ketogenic effect of fat plus protein"
Inuit are also known to have larger livers than other people, probably to aid in glucose synthesis.
>Try comparing bread from 100 years ago to bread today.
Okay, here's the nutrition data of kamut, an old wheat strand once consumed as the staple food of ancient Egypt.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/10353/2
27g protein, 131g carbohydrate. This made up so much of the Egyptian diet that it's thought that the working class of Egypt were widely vegetarian.
>>36563582
>Being hungry all the time isn't a fucking solution to most people.
You're not, because you get used to it, and you can counteract it by eating food which is more filling for less macros, like vegetables
>>36563582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0pOGVMntM
Thoughts?
>>36561460
I lost 90lbs. Seems like it's working great.
>>36563634
We are not apes
ITT "I don't know what an appeal to nature fallacy is"
>>36563647
What?
>>36563655
Watch your own video before you open your mouth. Why should we give a shit what our ancestors ate 25 million years ago when they had larger digestive tracts to property digest all those plants?
We became modern humans BECAUSE we started to eat meat around 2 million years ago and we're pretty good at digesting all the parts of the animal. People would have a hard time living on the diet of "humans" 25 million years ago.
>>36563623
Kek
‘There is a surprising similarity in the amount and distribution of atherosclerotic calcifications, fatty deposits, between ancient Egyptians and current Americans of a similar age.'
>>36563266
For a lot of people, getting to 12% is success. Success looks different for everyone.
>>36563723
Yeah, particularly in the more wealthy ones who regularly ate meats, cheese, and butter
>>36563716
>>36563634
>>36563647
>>36563655
Ah, wrong video. Meant to link this one about insulin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIEUjh0jpI
>>36562137
Honestly if you're eating those foods, you're probably just eating at a caloric deficit anyway since your diet isn't very calorie dense.
>>36563763
There's a rebuttal in the comments section
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/insulin-index/#ixzz3uz76kTQg
>>36563848
Which post?
>>36561691
Keto is an awesome diet but losing fat and gaining muscle is not possible
>>36562308
Take out the hummus, because that has those xenestrogens in it.
Also, add kiwifruit. The vitamin C in the oranges and kiwifruit will boost your testosterone.
Add brocolli, too. And low fat cream cheese. Fucking delicious.
On another note, if any of you don't know what to eat your protein powder with, I suggest low fat plain yoghurt. It becomes a mousse. I have chocolate protein powder, and I fucking love my chocolate protein mousse after hitting the gym. There's extra protein in the yoghurt, and it will improve your gut bacteria, too.
Literally no one here has ever recommended high carb diets you dumb nigger.
>>36562233
>Wanting to fart out your gains.
>>36565202
Bump
>>36562670
>>36562615
There is literally no reason to buy their food. Just cut out carbs for a couple weeks, then ease up to ~50/day.
I wish some of you people actually read books on biochemistry and articles regarding dietary topics and disease connected with certain nutrients or lack thereof.
Inb4 I get attacked by tinfoil hat wearing morons spouting shit about how it's all a big pharma ploy or IIFYM retards.
>>36562308
>Whole grain mustard
>eat healthy shit
>Buy a fat burner
>Do cardio
>and run
>Run
>Run
Why is it so hard for you fucking fat autists?
>>36564687
It is possible
>do fad diets while eating 500kcal less than TDEE
>lose fat
>HOLY SHIT GUYS IT WEEERRKZ
fuck off retard
>>36565488
Yes? What's your point?
>>36562779
Dude, you mix the non-fat yogurt with granola or berries. That or you buy soya yogurt (50kcal per 100g) and eat that. Soya yogurt is quite sweet.
>>36562308
>chicken
>tuna
>microwave oats
>mustard
>hummus
>eggs
>spinach
>>36565531
"overweight men were randomly assigned"
Are you retarded? You can't apply this to /fit/ when one must presume the /fit/izen has been lifting a minimum number of years and therefore is not an overweight man that has never lifted before.
They gained muscle and loss fat because they were newbies, much like doing babbys first cycle; simmilar response.
Keto is a shite diet except for good blood lipids, eventually you become insulin resistant.
The best diets, shown in resistance athletes, are high carb ones. You need to train right.
Best diet on gear? High carb (but you'll look a watery mess, been there and that was 7 years into lifting that I started)
Jesus you need to learn to intrept studies, I know I have a degree in Biology but is it really beyond logic to realize that this doesn't apply to someone who already lifts and only to a pilot population?
We don't know what the difference is in long term trained atheletes. Since when is 25% low fat, too? Low fat for me is 10g of fat and just fish oil and whatever little else is in my carb based foods, with 500g carbs and 300g of protein. Works wonders on and off gear.
Don't forget epigenetics.
Don't forget the participants were overweight, ergo insulin related problems, probably some receptor polymorphisms therefore (by the power of environment-gene interactions) keto suites them better and it is fucking true everyone responds differently.
It's a poor study example to include here. I personally respond best to cyclic diets blood glucose wise and body composition wise, e.g. UD 2.0 worked a fucking charm for me natty and that came at a net weekly deficit of -500 and I was recomping really well, ended up at 8% bodyfat. My HBA1C was 4.5%
But on a high fat diet eventually my blood glucose fasted rose to a nasty 7.0nmol
On a overly high carb diet it was a nasty 7.2
On gear (high test - 1g) it was 10.1 and I had to use slin and cut test down
On tren it was 4.5.
It depends on the person.
>>36562308
Granola on keto?
Yeah,didn't you know??Pictures on the internet are always 100% true 100% of the time ESPECIALLY if posted on facebook
As someone who went from 30% BF to 15% by eating chocolate,sweets and fastfood suck my dick.
>>36565787
Man, people on this board are giant food prudes.
Simple foods prepared and seasoned properly are cheap and effective and edible.
>>36561451
??? who said if it meets your calories???
it's if it fits your MACROS you dumbass
>>36566064
>one must presume the /fit/izen has been lifting a minimum number of years and therefore is not an overweight man that has never lifted before.
kek
>>36562779
>tastes awful
>tfw I actually love eating non fat yogurt without anything
I don't know if I'm lucky or just have a weird taste
>>36563319
Probably because he was originally obese before the diet
I'd like to do keto but it's too expensive. Eating a shitton of rice is cheaper than buying red meat
>>36561451
So is anybody against keto and atkins going to give an alternative?
>>36563635
That's a lot of water (You only lose water on keto). See a doctor.
>>36562710
They use almond milk.
Almond milk + heavy cream + pure cocoa powder + xylitol. Brought to boil in a pot = keto hot chocolate.
>>36562922
>Our ancestors, with slow transportation, no temperature control technology relied on fresh produce daily.
>Not on starch, as in grain, the oldest culture and first currency of humanity. And just has to be kept dry to stay edible for years.
>Ordinary people ate lots of meat.
So much bro-history.
>>36566546
>finely ground cocoa beans
>chili pepper
>hot water
= hot chocolate.
>>36566464
Most of your calories should be coming from fat (cheap).
>>36561691
>keto
>eat what I want
oke
>tfw poorfag and most of my calories come from carbs
>>36567814
It doesn't have to be expensive
>>36562137
>strawberries and berries
>on keto
>>36565484
No man let's all Jerk each other off and repeat pro bb advice from honest natties like Mike O tren and giant juggalo johnny
>>36566283
You're not alone friend, you're not alone.
>>36561451
got the lowest on a cut I ever have doing keto a few years ago.
Shit's miserable but you better believe I lost a shit ton of weight after eating just fucking fat and protein every day
daily breakdown:
breakfast
>3oz of whipping cream, whipped + coffee
lunch
>4 pieces of bacon
>2 eggs scrambled and cooked in bacon fat
>cheese
>coffee
dinner
>4 pieces of bacon
>burger cooked in bacon fat
>2-3 eggs
like trace carbohydrates for a month plus cardio nonstop, kept cals under 2k. lost about 15 pounds in a month eating butter and fat all fucking day
>>36563635
Wow, you were (are?) a real lard.
Thankfully I have never been a ham so I can eat a balanced diet like a normal person.
>>36561451
Calories in calories out is not a meme at all. The mistake people make is assuming that as long as they eat the correct number of calories they can do a clean bulk eating exclusively french fries. Calories in-calories out is true for weight, but you can go from 10% bf to 25% bf without changing how much you weigh.
>>36562779
>enjoy your mercury poisoning
I've ate 6 tins in a day without any problems, and ate 3+ tins a day for some time
>>36566521
nice b8 m90
>>36571883
it kills you slowly you wont even see it coming.
>>36562680
Check the labels. The fatter the milk, the less sugar.
