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Is 250mg enough for this?
What is he taking here?
>>36542391
are you joking?
this can be done naturally in less than a year.
>>36542409
WHAAAAAAT
>>36542409
Yeah if he is 5'3 sure
>>36542409
Depends on height
>>36542409
lets not get ahead of ourselves here. at 6'3 or wherever he's at that takes a while. i do know some natties who look bigger and leaner at that height though.
follow your dreams though, OP. 250mg isn't worth experiencing shutdown for though. that barely puts you above natty levels.
>>36542391
i think yes
>>36542409
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>36542409
Source?
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>>36542409
oi lads what's good first cycle? just test or drop in some more?
>>36542535
How much are you planning to take?
>>36542548
200mg/week
>>36542566
Any idea what's your normal test level?
Normal or low?
>>36542535
test e +dbol kickstart
shit's a bit wet so start after a cut. or swap dbol for something not aromatizing.
>>36542566
fkn why? that's pretty much TRT level.
>>36542585
breddy normal I guess
>>36542600
What kind of gains are you expecting on 200mg test?
>>36542591
you say more? 300mg?
>>36542447
>at 6'3 or wherever he's at
more like 6'8 familia
>>36542600
in that case, there is no reason to aim that low.
literally the only thing that 200mg will do for you is switch off your balls. no faster gains, no nothing.
>>36542616
500 is still pretty conservative. plus since classic test e is usually dosed at 250mg/ml you won't have issues dosing.
just try it and have your ais and hcgs and what have yous on deck just in case.
also do bloodwork pre, during and post cycle.
>>36542614
Don't want to be huge, just average with nice dry look to it
>>36542656
Sorry but that's mostly a meme.
It's big doses or no doses. There is no such things as "low doses".
>>36542644
>>36542614
Guys is "test" = tren?
If not, what is the fucking difference? I mean we are still talking about increasing your testosterone levels, but i figured taking "test" (testosterone ?) isnt the same as test e or tren (trenbuterol?).
Whats the fucking difference.
>>36542409
Spotted the guy riding high on his noob gains
>>36542701
Still haven't made your cut?
How many years? Don't say more than 4?
>>36542695
Test e = testosterone enanthate (exogenous testosterone)
tren = Trenbolone (not exogenous testosterone)
trenbuterol = some bastard mix between trenbolone and clenbuterol (trenbuterol isn't a thing)
>>36542695
>Guys is "test" = tren?
no
>what is the fucking difference?
different hormones
> I mean we are still talking about increasing your testosterone levels
no we are not
>>36542656
if you want dry, choose any non aromatizing steroid and use a testosterone base.
winstrol/ tren a /avavar or whatever.
>>36542695
dude, you need to so some more research. at this level you'll just fuck yourself up.
https://www.elitefitness.com/bodybuilding/cme/cme.pdf
should be a good start.
>>36542742
>doing steroids for the hydrated photoshoot look
NEVER
GO
FULL
RETARD
>>36542763
just gave the dude what he wants.
but yeah, unless you really want to look good for a show or a photoshoot for a few hours, don't do these.
>>36542683
what's your suggestion for noob blast then?
>>36542391
200mg is enough, actually, but only if you aren't 70 yet.
Us middle-aged men don't need as much as the true veterans.
250mg is my cruise dose. Start at 500, it's honestly not that high of a dose. When I blast I use 700-800 and still don't encounter any bad sides
>>36542742
Can you not link me some tl:dr instead lol.
Also im not op.
I just saw someone in a fraud thread saying he pays 30 bucks a month for testosterone and doesnt use tren or anavar because its fucks up your body too much.
I then figured there is a affordable steroid or whatever the fuck thats supposed to mean that doesnt fuck up your body badly like others do.
My question is, is there a steroid that is simply called "testosterone" ?
>>36543023
You're so clueless lol.
>is there a steroid that is simply called "testosterone"
Lol do some research but yes, you can just get test in several different esters
>>36543023
you gotta do the ''tl;dr'' unless you want to be at the mercy of people better informed than you.
be the man you lazy faggot.
people giving you short answers won't help you unless you understand the framework of how hormones influence your body.
also, whenever people on here talk about injectabole testosterone they usually mean testosterone enanthate.
>>36542727
I htink you mean endogenous
>>36543103
Im just gathering some pre-knowdledge if i ever decide to use gear at some point in my life.
Im having insane progress at the moment, so im just lurking around. Checking if roids are worth all the hustle.
Some people say it will fuck up your skin, belly, hormone levels and blood pressure completely even if you go off.
I saw a roider in /fraud/ having clean skin, small waist. He also said he feels completely normal, apart from a bit of acne it didnt do much damage to him.
He also said going off cycle didnt affect his gains that much, maybe 5 pounds at max.
So basically he looked completely natty, except he was a pretty big guy, 3D delts, 18" arms and stuff.
I dont dont know whom to believe. I just want the safest/least damaging steroid , even if it shows the least results ( being still a lot, compared to natty).
>>36542391
If you lifted any amount of weight you would laugh at your statement OP
>>36542409
>tfw so many people took the bait
>>36542600
Normal normal or "your levels are fine for an 80 year old eunuch therefore you're normal" doctor normal
>thinking you need to roid for this.
When did fit become completely clueless, does anyone here even lift?
Isn't 250 mg trt-tier?
>>36543456
shill doctor normal, meaning I'm lower than average, meaning I'll do first blast at 500mg and keep some ai at hand, for safety
>>36542391
>wearing shoes without socks
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING
>>36543853
Barely above it
>>36542409
HAHAHAHAH
>>36542742
Fuck bro dont recommend winny to a beginner that asked if test was the same thing as tren lol
>>36542695
Please do not do steroids
>>36543967
you've never heard of ankle socks?
>>36542391
Probably you could damn near that Natty.
If you're 35 years old or older 250 could definitely get you there.
250mg weekly test is SLIGHTLY over a replacement dose.
It's about the top of the "safe for long term without ever coming off" range, IF, and that is IF, you keep track of your blood pressure and get regular blood work done, just to make sure you aren't messing up your cholesterol levels.
Most guys will not have many sides at that dose, maybe a few zits, and no worse than when you were a teen.
What 250mg each week technically would be called is "Anti-Aging" dose.
Basically its enough that you can train half as hard, and half as consistently and still get as good a result as a VERY dedicated younger natty.
Really quite the smart usage if you ask me.
Yes you would be dependent, but then again the goal is to be slaying lots of hot 21 year old pussy well into your 50s and beyond, then being on some testosterone would be a major plus.
The trick is using at a dose you can tolerate long term, and 250 is likely not to shorter your lifespan, possibly even live longer.
>>36543249
Then testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate at 250mg weekly, just keep track of your blood pressure and get blood work done every 6 months to make sure your cholesterol levels stay good.
If you're having estrogen issues start at the lowest possible dose of an AI, like 0.25mg Arimidex, 2x a week. Like every Monday and Thursday. that is ONLY if you need it.
Lots of guys don't need an AI at all for anything under 400mg, and yes 250 is enough to build a Steve Reeves type body on.
>>36543853
It put me at ~1400 ng/dl, well past natty.
>>36545382
ok grandma
>>36545595
I just want the best for you
>>36542695
Trenbuterol lmfao
>>36542695
Eat clen and tren hard.
>>36542391
This guy is NEVER making it:
fast forward this to 3:12
He has NARROW Clavicles
He is a Clavicel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zO45H3lbAA
>>36542391
>all these fucking scrubs falling for it
>>36545415
They are no-show socks if anything, ankle socks go up to your ankles
>>36542391
That's achievable without drugs.
>>36542391
none of his muscles imply steroid use, he just has a nice overall physique and a good frame cuz he's tall
manlets will never learn
>>36542644
Lol. You've never done a cycle have you
>>36545419
Literally this.
