>>36536803
bump, curious about this too

>>36536803
No dumfuck

CICO

Doesn't matter, but you'll still feel sluggish and have bad skin

Sugar increases inflammation and has basically 0 nutrition value except calories. If you dont care about that than knock yourself out champ

Avoiding sugar isn't about calories- it's about how your body reacts negatively to sugar

I'm not talking about eating like 100g of sugar through out the day, just like 2 tbsps of honey with my Greek yogurt

>>36536965
Ok because restoring muscle glycogen, and therefore functionality, as much as possible has no value

Also sometimes you just need a quick boost in energy i.e. <30 mins before workout. Sugar is a tool, use it wisely.

I've been in the camp that not all calories are equal, but you should still manage to lose weight.

>>36536803
You'll feel hungy as fuck tho

>>36536803
You'll lose weight if your in a calorie deficit.

But sugar doesn't do anything positive for you nutritionally do why eat it?

The body doesn't need sugar it can produce it's own glucose. Keep it under 150 calories per day, or 9 teaspoons/~35 grams.

>>36536803
Yes, too much refined sugar will have bad effects on your hormones and on your health.
OTOH sugars naturally occurring in fruits never have adverse effects on your health and on your body composition.

No, it's not just "counting calories". That's just a starting point and a rule of thumb if you're an average "morbidly obese" proud Merrican

>>36537080
what about honey? would the sugar in honey be considered more refined sugar or closer to something that would be found in fruits

>>36536961
>>36536965
What's this "inflammation" you speak of? Is it measurable? What are its downsides and upsides? Why would the body trigger an "inflammation" response from refined sugars, but not from any other sugar whatsoever, that are molecular identical? Asking for links. Not troll.

>>36536803
Always eat as little sugar as possible, bulk or cut. It's the devil.

>>36537103
No, honey is not fructose, nor does it contain fiber.

>>36537103
Honey is in the "free sugars" category and therefore it shall be limited as well.
>http://www.who.int/nutrition/publications/guidelines/sugars_intake/en/

>>36537152

Yes, actually, honey contains both Glucose and Fructose.

>>36537139
Basic chemistry bro. Oxygen creates free radicals, which fuck your shit up. Same with iron (which is why excess of red meat is bad). Oxygen is a double edged sword. And what is sugar? C-OH

>>36537139

They're full of shit. The only bad thing about refined sugar is faster digestion leading to a greater insulin spike, too much of which will contribute to development of insulin insensitivity and then diabetes.

>>36537246

All carbs are carbon chains with hydroxyl groups you fucking moron.

>>36536803
Y'all gotta keep in mind though that faster digesting proteins like whey and rice/pea blends are insulgenic as well, will spike your blood sugar.

>>36537291
>insulin spikes from foods cause insulin insensitivity

never go full retard

>>36537319

But that's literally the primary cause of diabetes. Repeated, excessive amounts of insulin causing down regulation of insulin receptors on your cells.

>>36537291
True, but we're talking refined sugars here

In fruit and stuff you atleast get anti-inflammatories like tannic acid, vitamin c uhm fiber, you know, the stuff thats good for you

>putting notable amounts of sugar in your body at all

>>36537319
I'm beginning to think >>36537291 is a pre-diabetic land whale

>>36537330

Fruit is different purely because of the structural integrity of the food making it more difficult to digest (thanks to the presence of more difficult to digest and indigestible carbohydrates, including fiber). Inflammation has nothing to do with it.

>>36536803

It does not as long as you are smashing that cardio

>>36537203

fair, but still not comparable to fruit as a sugar source.

>>36537328
No, the primary cause of diabetes is ectopic lipid accumulation (esp. in the pancreas) from excessive caloric intake and being fat. Cells don't become resistant to insulin unless there is overnutrition. Please stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Try going low sugar bro. I haven't felt this good in awhile and it's true about what someone mentioned about your skin. I'm 24 and still had backne, after about 3 days my skin looked better than it has in awhile i'm talking about a noticeable difference.

>>36537398

You could have at least googled it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downregulation_and_upregulation#Insulin_receptor_mechanism

That being said yes, lipotoxicity is another important factor

>>36537418

i just get really lethargic when i cut out sugar.

too many years an addict, bruh

>>36536965

Pretty much every staple food on /fit/ increases inflammation

>>36537461
Basically. Which is why eating a balanced diet is what you want to do, and cut out refined shit

Fatty stuff is good however, the natural stuff that is. Full of yummy c-h bonds and very little oxygen

>>36537546

>balanced

>Cut out [x]

balance is about moderation of all things, anon

>>36537434
If you apply supraphysiological quantities of insulin to cells in a petri dish or inject it into people you can cause downregulation of insulin receptors. Dopamine receptors similarly downregulate in cultured striatal neurons or people given bromocriptine. These are cute artificial conditions intriguing to freshmen pharmacology students but have nothing to do with how people become diabetic or parkinsonic in the real world.

>>36536803
You know what, nutri-sci is too political a field for an objective correct answer to exist. Sugar pushes say "it tastes great and your body needs it" while sugar deniers say "it lowers test and makes you fat / diabetic". You probably already have your own opinions on where you stand on this, so you just keep doing what you were already doing.

>>36537572
Lol look at this cuck

>i try and makeroom for refined sugars like HFCS, or trans fat, bleached foods. I also like a lot of flouride in my water even though im 18+

>>36537546

>Fatty stuff is good however, the natural stuff that is. Full of yummy c-h bonds and very little oxygen

Depends on what the food is. Advanced glycation end-products form in fatty, protein rich foods.

>>36537629

i'm sorry about your paranoia and diminished life quality, anon.

>>36537546
Burning fatty acids (especially saturated fatty acids) causes more oxidative stress than any other macronutrient. This is one of the reasons why the brain avoids it and high fat diets induce insulin resistance.

>>36537695
>brain avoids it
>fat intake is highly correlated with feeling satiated
>higher fat intake is correlated with higher brain function
>higher fat intake correlated with less brain diseases

Besides you are talking about the usage of fat. Everything gets made into fat if not used relatively soon

>>36536965

Except for the fact that sugar quickly restores depleted glycogen, which is necessary to not feel like shit all the time.

>>36538066
I'm not saying sugar is bad. Fuck, carbs are a staple if not the majority (wait this is /fit/) the second majority thing you eat. Got a game in 30 minutes? Eat an orange. Need a boost at 2:00pm? Apple

Fruit is some of the most nutrient dense stuff out there. I'm basically saying dont eat candy, dont eat refined sugar, its fucking useless compared fruit or whole grains

>>36538109

Fruit is a meme.

>nutrient dense

With what? Vitamin C? Worthless.

The form of sugar in fruit is fructose - literally identical to high fructose corn syrup in terms of nutritional value.

The only value fruit has over literal candy is the fact that it has a bunch of water and a little tiny bit of fiber in it.

>>36538118
What are you saying, to eat candy to your hearts contempt?

>>36538118

>With what? Vitamin C?

Flavanoids

>>36538058
>>fat intake is highly correlated with feeling satiated
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7498104
>highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes
>fat content was negatively associated

>>higher fat intake is correlated with higher brain function
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/93/4/748.long
http://www.fasebj.org/content/25/3/1088.long
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165572809004743
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0197458005002642

>>higher fat intake correlated with less brain diseases
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0969996111003196
http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/299/4/R1082.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0197458008003266

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep07805
>This becomes relevant in ageing or obese organisms, where the substrate restriction might be increasingly loosened and β−oxidation less repressed26, as indicated by increasing expression of β−oxidation genes in ageing brains27,28. This might contribute to ageing phenotypes of the brain and increasing prevalence of age-related neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer or Parkinson disease.

> Everything gets made into fat if not used relatively soon
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v28/n4s/full/0802861a.html

Fuck off, retard.

>>36536803
it will matter even more at a deficit.
sugar depletes you of essential nutrients. so you'd have to guarantee to get more nutrients than you usually would at maintenance.
also, you would be more likely to develop insulin resistance.