/fit/ what are your example of athletes who had an immense innate talent for their sport. Almost made for the sport they were practicing.
They might not be the guys with the most medals. They might still have worked hard.
First I can think of is Mike Tyson
>>36397719
mike tyson's inspiration for becoming a fighter is literally getting shitrekt by bullies though?
id think more along the lines of tiger woods
Obviously Conor mcgregor
>>36397719
Tyson's only god given talent was a hard punch. A better example of a great boxing talent would be Mayweather. The guy was fucking born to be a boxing champion. Both his father and uncle were good boxers, he has ridiculous mental sharpness and quick twitch muscles, plus stupidly long arms for his size.
LeBron James
>6'8
> 40 inch vertical
>ridiculously fast sprinter
Adrian Peterson
Michael Jordan
Klokov
Ronnie
/thread
>>36397918
>bodybuilder
>athlete
>>36397719
Stephen
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Curry
>>36397800
Weird way to spell the Diaz brothers, tbhfam
>>36397719
Theres no such thing as natural talent, it's all hard work. It's just that they started practicing way earlier than you expected them to so they look good doing it.
It's disrespectful to discount what others accomplished by saying "oh they were just naturally talented"
>>36398027
Diaz brothers are retarded punching bags. Nate literally pulled a Homer and let Conor punch himself out to beat him.
>>36398054
I would recommend you to read this book.
You can hard work and have no talent, you can hard work and have talent. You can respond well to training, etc. But there is such a thing as talent.
>>36397910
>Klokov
>immense innate talent for their sport
0 oly gold medals
1 WC gold medal
Ronda rousey
>>36397910
>klokov
>has a leg shorter than the other
>>36398119
>that follow up on this american life about two women with a muscular disorder but one of them turned into a skeleton and the other turned in a she-hulk accused of roiding constantly
>>36397719
Wilt Chamberlain
Usain Bolt
Literally every other basketball player over 6'10''
>>36397730
There are no natural born golfers (though Tiger's natural power production aids in distance) he, like Rory McIlroy, was simply trained from child.
>>36398054
You're an idiot.
>>36397719
Wilt Chamberlain had height, coordination and athleticism combo that just wasn't seen in his day. Babe Ruth just natural power hitter never before seen.
>>36397806
Tyson was quick as fuck.
>>36397719
Muhammed Ali
George Foreman
Michael Phelps
>>36398300
Lolno
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>>36397910
>Klokov
Lol, you don't know anything about oly wl, do you?
>>36398335
Literally no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>36397719
Conor McGregor
>>36398300
>>36398335
>>36398359
Different anon
Tyson was pretty quick, especially for his weight, and added to that with his powerful punches
>>36397719
Ronnie Coleman looked like a roided out bodybuilder from the 80s before he even knew where to buy shit.
Pretty sure he also had no side effects from the doses he took after he went pro.
Dude's organism is insane.
>>36398393
Agreed. Even as a natty he looked better and was bigger than most roided bodybuilders
>>36397806
Tyson being nothing but a hard puncher is a meme. The man was fast, as noted by other anons, and was surprisingly strategic in the ring considering how unintelligent he seems outside of it.
>>36398435
yea all natty
>>36398435
holy shit those lats.
>>36398393
>>36398435
>natty
He isnt /fit/ but he has the biggest talent for his sport of all athletes in the world.
>>36398537
MESSI
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Michael Phelps
Novak Djokovic...Federer is obviously the greatest player of all time, but his build isn't ideal.
Jon Jones.
Not gonna say he's the greatest fighter there is, but his body is prettt great fot fighting. Besides his height, he also has freakishly long arms and niggerishly long legs. His brothers are both NFL players.
Usain Bolt
Ken Griffey Jr
Bo Jackson
Larry Byrd
>>36398537
Not natty tho
Without hgh, he would be a legit dwarf and would never make it in football/soccer.
>>36398591
Michael Phelps is LITERALLY a freak of nature.
Best example itt so far m8
Liu Xiaojun
No surprises here, the Chinese literally head hunt them from the age of 3.
Michael Jordan
Probably would have excelled in other sports if he had other priorities but big ass hands that could palm the ball, long ass arms, height, explosiveness, quick feet and hands. All the tools for a baller
Wilson Kipsang
DYEL Kenyan who is a pro marathoner. Has the built genetics and skin color lel.
Lionel Messi
A guy who is 170 cm weaving around players like it's nothing. This talent in football will never be surpassed.
Serena Williams
This women is literally a beast. Fast, powerful, talented. Not too tall, not too short, good long limbs for more power, also a fucking fast sprinter. The Mike Tyson of tennis.
Other:
Brett Gibbs
Greg Nuckols
Savolainnen
Miyato
bo jackson
>>36398591
>Federer
this
greatest of all time, tennis is not concerned with build.
>>36398634
*tips fedora*
>>36398444
I'm not denying that, but his quickness and strategy were down to work ethic, which became readily apparent when he began not training hard enough for his fights and fought sloppy and dumb, the only thing that remained was the hard punch. This thread is about natural talent.
>>36397918
Not really so much.
Kevin Levrone did though.
Fedor! Greatest fighter that ever lived. And also he kinda looks like feel which is funny.
Pretty much all the top weightlifters and powerlifters, you don't get to the top in them without ideal leverages and a musculoskeletal system made up of the best stuff.
I'll have to use Ilya Ilyin if I had to pick.
>>36398444
>mike tyson
>unintelligent
u wot
Michael Phelps is the most obvious one I can think of. Tall, disproportionately long arms and torso, short legs, hyperflexible joints.
>>36398862
>mfw this is actually real
Michael Phelps
Wayne Gretzki
>>36398652
There's an ideal build for tennis. Plenty of players stall out because they're not made for it. You see it all the time at the collegiate level. Federer is pretty damn close to ideal, but I think Djokovic is almost perfectly built for tennis. But I'm a fanboy so...
>>36398940
Or maybe it's just because he was black
>tfw you realize you don't have a single talent
Why do I even bother
>>36398940
Holy nigger rage. OP did not say he was talented because he was black. Besides it's been scientifically proven that black people make better athletes in certain sports for biological reasons. You think no white sprinter has ever worked as hard as the black ones who dominate and that's the reason why they suck?
>>36398940
Nigga nobody's saying they didn't work hard, but genetics clearly plays a role. 12% of the U.S. population doesn't dominate sports because they're just super hard workers.
GOAT
>talent isn't a thing, it's all hard work
People who believes this shit is fucking retarded.
>>36399074
I only believe in talent for physical things, like how obviously a manlet would suck at basketball, but for other things it's just your experiences in life that make you like that thing and by consequence work harder at it. There's also luck.
>>36398990
I'm not saying that professional criminals have better genetics, just that they're better suited for violent sports
>>36399000
>blacks working hard
>>36399115
Then you are fucking retarded. The differences in their body structure and limb sizes means their center of gravity is higher which allows them to run faster at that level than white people
Richie Mcaw
Talk about hard work
>>36399114
You're so fucking wrong lol, I'm 5'9 and I can dunk because of hard work alone, also I dribble every day with different routines so it's pretty hard for anyone to get the ball out of me, so yes, talent grants you 10%, hard work grants you the rest
>anyone who says otherwise is delusional
The only people who have natural talent that outdoes every other athlete by a large amount is as stated before, Liu Xiaojun, Serena Williams, Lebron.
I would add to this list and say the only other people who are gifted (by means of being on another level) are Usain Bolt, Ed Coan, and Jesse Norris and a few others.
Everyone else just had above average genetics and worked hard. There are very few freaks of nature out there.
6'1
84 INCH REACH
fists the size of watermelons
one of the strongest punchers in history
Randy Moss was a genuine freak of nature
>>36399441
and there was also this man
>>36399376
You are one dumb nigger. No-one said that. I was simply explaining why they are better runners. Is it really racist to say that black people are actually superior to other races in certain ways? No-one is saying that all the black sprinters don't work as hard and they are just fast because of their biology, just that they a proven advantage over other races at that level.
>>36399483
Because the moment blacks start excelling in areas other than running-based sports (happening right now) I can't WAIT for the excuses and mental gymnastics butthurt lames are gonna use to explain away their failures
nobody is born with talent. mike trained his chest muscles and leg muscles so he can throw those fast devastating punches. Sprinters were not born fast as fuck they ran and ran so their knee tissue and muscles do not rip when they run the speed they do.
>>36399552
Good bait
>>36399580
show me one talented person who can compete in their talent and win who shitposts on 4chan all day.
>>36399611
>He doesn't understand Necessity vs. Sufficiency
>He thinks that a 4'11 Asian man with low T and a 15" vert. could someday play in the NBA
>>36399518
There really isn't much explaining to do. There are more black people in certain sports because more black people decide to participate in those sports.
>>36399635
A black/white/mixed man of the same stats wouldn't make it to the nba either why single out Asians?
Emmitt Smith. I know the Barry Sanders folks are gonna show up and shit all over the place but the guy was a workhorse and built to last. Running backs run the ball like 8 times a game now splitting carries with 2 other guys typically nowadays.
>>36399635
all you did was argue my point
>>36398599
yeah he's the greater fighter there is.
bad back, cancer, injury riddled career, smoked
if not for missing like half a career due to injury, his numbers would be up there with gretzky
he also never looked like he was trying very hard
PURE TALENT
>>36399638
And the fact that they have a higher proportion of "fast-twitch" fibres in their muscles which helps in most sports.
>>36399692
meant greatest pfft
>>36399700
So does anyone who lifts and eats meat
>>36398021
I disagree with this. He's not naturally fast or athletic. As a bball player myself, it's very apparent that all of skill has been so meticulously practiced to perfection. He's an example of someone who trained unbelievably hard and efficiently, rather than someone who was born with it
>>36399611
Donald Thomas (high jump) is the example. He won the gold medal at the WC after only 2 years of training.
>>36399762
Stephen curry is white.
>>36399745
Wut. We are talking about differences between athletes at the professional level.
>>36399800
The fast twitch muscle fiber is race science bullshit
George Seeger is as made for multi-ply bench pressing, can't wait to see him competing while on cycle in the WPC.
>>36399813
>fast twitch muscle fiber and blacks thing
Corrected
>>36398072
Kek
>>36398216
Kys
>>36397719
Marshawn Lynch, just one of those dudes that is naturally strong and athletic.
>>36398335
Why is it only black athletes who are talented, but white ones are hard working?
>Ray Lewis: genetic specimen
>oversized-product of incest and mayonnaise- bearded whiteboy lineman: hardworking and high sports IQ
Like seriously?
>>36399851
No he's not. He busted his ass to get to where he is suck a dick white boy
>>36399813
It's far from being bullshit, it's just totally ignored and dismissed as such due to political correctness. Maybe you should educate yourself.
>>36398435
>before roiding
>>36399875
So I guess a physically gifted black who possesses a high IQ must be the boogeyman man to fuck up your preconceptions
Race science has been disproven years ago cut your edgy "muh political correctness" Redpill bulllshit and read a journal
>>36399875
No anon educate yourself. Humans are all identical. There's no such thing as race or gender, those are purely social constructs. Everyone is born equally capable of doing everything. No one is special. No one is better than anyone else in any way.
>>36399875
>due to political correctness
>worlds top researchers all agree race science is bullshit
>but it's only because of political correctness
>/pol/ told me so
>le Redpill
>le fedora
>>36398072
that means conor lost to a retarded punching bag; you're not helping your point any
>>36399947
0/10
>>36398435
fucking delution faggots
>>36397918
Ronnie O'Sullivan, the snooker player?
this is honestly the first person i thought of
W33ha was born to dote
>>36398927
this
>>36399940
You're thinking about it wrong. Think about it like you're playing dungeons and dragons. You choose your race and class and get the benefits and disadvantages of those to start with. Then you roll some dice. What you roll determines how your attributes actually end up. You could roll a fucking shredded hobbit paladin or a genius half-orc wizard but it isn't what normally happens.
>>36400014
You literally compared human ethnic groups to dungeons and dragons.
Opinion discarded, you lose. Get the fuck out.
>>36399940
You are making dumb assumptions, I'm guessing you're the same nigger than was making dumb assumptions earlier too. How exactly has race science been "disproven"? Race science is not the same as scientific racism. Race IS real and is tons of scientific research on the differences between races. How you can deny that there is anatomical differences between races is totally bewildering, clearly you have been brainwashed by the PC media. By the way scientists can't even discuss it or else they will be fired which is the only reason why you don't hear anything about it. Seriously do some ACTUAL research.
>>36399965
I don't even go on /pol/ this stuff is common knowledge for people who actually bother to educate themselves on these matters, which you clearly haven't
>>36398392
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51090bGcoR8
>>36400038
People like you are holding back humanity. Kill yourself.
>>36400043
You probably believe in the one drop rule too. Go fuck yourself
>>36397730
>According to an interview in Details, his first fight was with a bigger youth who had pulled the head off one of Tyson's pigeons.
Poor pigeon
>>36400061
Explain to me why the ethnic groups and new genetic mixed bloods can nearly fit into a dungeons and dragons framework. Cite peer reviewed sources and avoid fallacies otherwisee drink bleach
>>36400043
There isn't any point in arguing with these people. They'd rather just stick their heads in the sand and call anyone who challenges their feel-good world view a racist to give them reason to ignore anything they say. They've never gotten past the arguing tactics of a two-year-old going BLABLABLAICANTHEARYOU.
>>36400104
>can neatly* fit
>>36399858
b/c it plays into the marxist idea that folks of european heritage are genetically inferior to the noble ooga boogas and even mentioning that caucasian folks can have good genetics is muh racism :D
>>36400104
It was just meant to be an easy to understand analogy that uses something you're probably familiar with.
>>36400083
Sorry you are too retarded to comprehend that there is more to race than skin colour. All of your responses in this thread have been along the lines of "oh you think this, I guess you also think THIS!" No, you fuck off, I'm not even racist in the slightest in real life but you are clearly a very unintelligent nigger.
Let this be a lesson to all others in this thread, never argue with niggers.
>>36400109
>race is real
>therefore don't racemix
>prevent white genocide
Translated. Kill yourself
>>36400147
Where the fuck did any of that come from? You got the translation right though lel.
>>36400147
If I want to fuck a non white girl I will. You're not going to change us dude. Just give up and go preach to someone else
>>36400147
Who said anything about white genocide or racemixing? Race IS real but that doesn't necessarily mean mixed breeding is a bad thing. You sure are projecting hard senpai.
>>36399816
This. Obviously the greatest bench Talent of our time.
>>36400209
>Race IS real but that doesn't necessarily mean mixed breeding is a bad thing.
Found the kike
Reminder to ignore /pol/tards
>>36400234
Shh
Kyle strait. That fucker could ride faster and better than nearly everyone at his time. He would learn Tricks in weeks that other pros needed months of hard Training for. He had the balls and the mind to just do everything he could imagine on a bike. Read the Interviews with berrecloth or Simmons about him, they were mad jelly about his Talent.
>>36400401
He for sure isn't black
>>36398645
Fucking this.
>tfw he could've been the first athlete in history to be in 2 Halls of Fames in Baseball and Football
I'll add Dennis Rodman
>>36399869
Every great athlete works hard, but there is definitely a genetic factor in his amazing athleticism.
>not a single post about denis cyplenkov
His hands are bigger than your quads
>>36400432
are you fucking retarded??
>implying black refers only to skin color
>>36398986
>implying lifting solely for the purpose of lifting heavier is ever worth doing
>>36400473
>denis cyplenkov
>H
>G
>H
>>36399376
You sound like an extreme feminist tbqh senpai, settle down
>>36400479
One drop rule died a long time ago.
Stephen curry is a Latino-passing mulattto. He is not fucking black. Barack Obama isn't black. Tiger woods isn't black.
anything other than Messi is wrong. He is a living goat in his sport and does shit that was almost unimaginable before him.
And everything he does seems so effortlessly.
>>36399858
There have been studies on this.
Bo Jackson is the best example I can think of.
People are born with different levels of athletic talent, coordination, muscle fiber makeup, and limb ratios that may make them suited for one sport over another. There is a Ted Talk about how Jesse Owens would compare to Bolt with modern technology that goes over athletes being recruited to certain niches in some detail. Hard work is certainly a part of the puzzle but some have an athletic ceiling that can't touch another's athletic floor.
>>36398986
Just the fact you train in anything, anything at all puts you closer to the greats than to the average joe who sits around decaying into middle age. I'm a speccy manlet but I lift a bit and do hill runs for fun so i'm superhuman compared to all my friends (30s)
How come nobody has mentioned Lamar Gant yet?
If there's anyone made for lifting heavy fucking weights, it's that guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXVGdlLx-I
>>36400038
Was a good analogy, imo
>>36397806
>I have no idea what I'm talking about please rape my face
>>36398435
>natty
8/10 would rage again
>>36399328
You are a fucking idiot. You work "hard" (by which you most likely mean "stupid") and, entirely coincidentally, have a high vertical leap. So you believe your hard work gave you a high vertical leap, which is objectively wrong.
Vertical leap is largely genetic, provided you aren't a fat ass. If you don't have the high proportion of fast twitch muscle fiber and genetically good neuromuscular recruitment, you'll never have those things, and you'll never jump particularly high. It CAN be trained, but only slightly (charitable estimates from people who are MUCH smarter than you say about 10% improvement can be gained), and not nearly to the extent that pure strength can.
40 meter dash speed is the same way, since it's basically testing the same thing: power/weight ratio. If you aren't born running a 4.45 forty, or jumping 35'', no amount of hard, even smart work, will get you there.
>>36397719
BJ Penn
Giant coconut head, flexible, great balance, KO power
He was like black belt in 2 years or something
Andy Hug, only notable fighter to come out Switzerland.
Was the second shortest to win the K1 World Grand Prix at 5'11".
Won his last fight by TKO then died of leukemia a month and a half later.
>>36398267
Height is very important in golf for distance and a long torso.
Lawrence Taylor.
Barry Bonds
>fast twitch vs. slow twitch muscle
Broscience or not? I have never seen any convincing evidence backing this. The implication that some people are more one than the other just sounds retarded.
Muggsy Bogues
should be a God of his people - the manlets.
Ted Williams
He had the best eye sight in baseball... like a eagle that could see the seams on a fastball.
I don't know anything about powerlifting but I heard Andy Bolton deadlifted 600lbs the first time he tried... Probably bullshit but maybe him if true.
>>36398216
A true great.
>>36399999
Checked
Only one mention of RJJr. You stupid cucks.
Paul Oneil - Yankees..
what a work ethic.. fucker played with bruised ribs during world series.
>>36403655
It's pretty much a fact brah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle#Types_of_tissue
>>36403333
not even the guy you responded to. you are a fuckwit.
how do you think ANY athlete trains explosivitiy? what the fuck
how are you so ignorant
>>36403589
thats insane.. what was that a low kick to the knee... brilliant.
>>36399635
Having an ideal body for a sport isn't a talent.
Somewhere in a dark room sits Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler - crying on their keyboards wondering why /fit/ has forsaken them.
>>36403724
Laughed way too hard at this
I've seen it a few times ITT but Wayne Gretzky
Nobody has come even remotely close to touching his stats
doesn't even train between fight camps
>>36399697
Before his comeback, he had a higher Points Per Game stat than Gretzky.
Though be real, being a little pussy bitch hurt him about as much as anything else. He really was the original Cindy Crysby.
>>36399762
>He's not naturally fast or athletic.
Compared to NBA players, certainly not. If it weren't for his ridiculous shooting skills, he probably wouldn't have even been drafted.
But compared to an average chump like me? He's certainly naturally faster and jumper. Which is why I lift really heavy weights and play front row in rugby, while he casually lifts and makes it rain on the basketball court.
Really, if my 5'10'' tall, 24'' jumping ass had his basketball skills, I might be able to play in the NBA. But at best I'd be some role player coming off the bench, and I'd still be a huge defensive liability because I'm just too goddamn slow, and FAR too short to do any of the Big Man guarding around the key.
>>36399745
The make-up of your muscle fibers are not going to drastically change due to diet and exercise, you shitty little idiot. You can certainly train to target the fast twitch muscle fibers, but to greatly strengthen them, you'll probably have to gain weight, which will leave you with about the same vertical leap and 40m time you had to start with.
Now, you can certainly get more TOTAL power production. But you're power/weight ratio won't go up by much, and once you reach a certain point, the increases in weight needed to facilitate increases in strength will begin to hurt your power/weight ration.
Still, being much bigger and stronger was how I could knock guys who were naturally much more explosive than me, but 50 lbs lighter, off of rucks and and run them right the fuck over if they tried to tackle me. But God save me if I had to tackle them in open space. Too white for that shit.
>>36399858
The crackers with lower power/weight ratio will never be as good at "Smaller" positions like WR and, relative to interior linemen anyway, Linebacker. This leaves them with no options besides punter, kicker, QB, or get really fucking big and strong and play lineman.
The black players who have that genetic tendency to be REALLY fast and explosive just exploit that, because why the fuck wouldn't they. If you told me I had a 35'' vertical leap and could be a top tier WR or defensive back, I surely wouldn't set off to get my squat up to 700 lbs so I could play goddamn defensive tackle.
Really, the few honkies naturally gifted like that will do the same thing, it's just that blacks are proportionally more likely to be that gifted. And when you distill it down to the best few hundred football players in the world like the NFL does, the fact that blacks are 10% or some shit of the American population doesn't really matter. They'll still be 90% of the fastest fuckers in the country.
The rest of us will have to get by with being MUCH stronger, since that's more significantly affected by nurture rather than nature.
>>36403620
Good point. Though 6'5'' Dustin Johnson and his supposed 34'' vertical leap is a better example of pure talent. Thanks largely to those numbers, he MURDERS the ball and can get away with putting like a cross-eyed jackass.
>>36403706
You train explosiveness by getting stronger and keeping your power cleans/snatches caught up to the rest of your lifts. However, unless the trainee was a fat lard to begin with, this is going to require an increase in weight. Which is an increase in gravity's downward pull on you.
So while a guy might be able to go from 6'0'', 150 lbs, a 200 lbs squat and a 100 lbs power clean to 220 lbs with a 450 lbs squat and a LMAO2PLAYT power clean, his vertical jump might have increased by an inch or two, and it probably won't get higher than that with further training. Even if he goes to 260 lbs with a 600 lbs squat and 3playt power clean.
His TOTAL power production has drastically increased. His power/weight ratio has not.
Retard
>>36403910
Thing is, I don't understand how Gretzky was physically talented. Sure he was faster than average, but not game breakingly fast. Carl Hagelin is faster than Gretzky ever was, and is kind of just another NHL winger.
Gretzky CERTAINLY wasn't strong, and he didn't have a hard shot.
He had an absurd ability to predict where the play was going and to get where he needed to be to exploit it. I don't know if that's genetic, just a happy accident from good coaching when he was young, something else, or a combination. And playing with guys like Mark Messier, who was a great enough hockey player in his own right to keep defenses honest and not overplaying Gretzky, and a great puck distributor, AND a proficient enough goon to keep the other team's goons from turning Gretzky into a fine paste, certainly helped.
Gretzky also had tremendous puck handling skills and a very accurate shot. But that sounds like something that comes more from practice than genetics.
>>36397719
>TFW I'm 5'9" with 78" arm span
I really missed an opportunity to get into boxing
Jan-Ove Waldner
>>36398435
>natty
Zydrunas Savickas
He's been top-tier in strongman (and for the first few years, powerlifting) since the late 90s. Pretty much the GOAT strongman and near-untouchable in his prime. Absolutely no weak spots.
>>36398743
athletic ability and strength was insane, in my opinion what stood out for me about him as a fighter was his mindset,intelligence and drive. He was always so calm, never dwelled on shit, was never phased which helped him to make logical decisions
>dat time wen he got powerbombed on his head and went on to win by kimura
His training documentary is great, I liked the fact that he looked quite out of shape but was very fit and athletic, to me he doesn't seem like someone who specifically born for mma, but like someone with a great mind who applied themselves, learnt the game and calmly took the throne.
>>36404311
not the guy you replied to, but yeah you're a fucking prop mate. Of course you're gonna be slow and have a shit vertical jump, i played rugby for years and not once did we specifically train for a vertical jump, we maybe a couple times did power cleans in the weight room, but not for the purpose of jumping and I was lock.
We focused mainly on fitness, strength (if you were tight 5) and most of all was skills and team tactics, because rugby is a team sport. So comparing anything you do in rugby to basketball is absurd, which is why everybody here in NZ is shit at rugby. I've got two very close friends playing for auckland blues, one is 6"4 and another around 6"6 who can't even dunk.
So of course a professional NBA player with all the most advanced facilities in the world is going to make a prop look slow or shitty at jumping, cause he gets paid millions to increase those specific skills for that sport, doesn't mean he isn't natural and you shouldn't be demeaning his hard work like that.
>>36404830
sorry i haven't watched a single minute of american football in my life, but my best explanation would be sport smarts.
Being able to read plays, timing a tackle or run, knowing where and when to fend off a player is a huge part of sports. The beauty of sports is that you could be able to lift 1000 kgs and run at 100mph but if you don't know how to catch a ball, or know when to use your speed or strength you could be absolutely dog shit at a sport.
Similarly you could be awesome at knowing when to execute something or how to read plays, but if you lack that hard work, atheticism or even that bit of x-factor you could be a shit player.
tl;dr athletic ability doesn't always translate into sports, nor does having sport smarts guarantee you're going to be good
>>36399321
>tfw chronic liver disease
>look up famous people with it, cus muh inspiration
>Walter Peyton had it
>died from it
>everyone else I look up is dead
AHHAHHAHHAHAHAH FUCK
>>36397910
klokov is not even close
>>36405054
JO JO JO JO
>>36398634
>Liu Xiaojun
I think you mean Tian Tao, or more importantly Liao hui
Having good genetics is about being able to handle the training and progress.
Everyone says he's strong for a saiyan.
>born as a low class
>surpassed the high class
>>36405109
>powerbombed
It was a supplex, you WWE faggot. And he didn't land on his head, he knew how to defend, allowing his body to go limp saved him.
>>36405234
>The Great One
>American football
Get the FUCK out, now!
>>36404069
Who this?
Pernell Whitaker in his prime could dodge a bullet and Julian Jackson is the P4P hardestt one punch hitter in history
>no Bo
are you guys fukin srs?
>>36404069
Cannot agree more. Bones is born for MMA.
He is stupid as fuck though.
>>36398313
Phelps... 22 Olympic medals.. 18 gold/2 silver/2 bronze.. Bet he uses the Shit medals as coasters for his coffee table.
>>36397910
>LeBron James
fucking overhyped picese of shit, fucking americans mention him in every thread
jamie vardy is a 10x bigger athlete that this basketball moneky
>>36400060
Yeah he was stupid quick. Those jabs are perfect.
>>36397806
Please go away and never post again. You're clearly either 12 or have never actually watched Tyson fight.
>>36397806
Mayweather is a product of exploitation of boxing rules, nothing more. Although his ability to make everyone hate him is certainly an innate talent.
>>36406720
>jabs
hahahaha
>>36406830
Don't discredit mayweather just because he's a 'dirty' fighter, motherfucker's shoulder roll is spot on.
>>36398313
This. Michael Phelps has long arms and huge hands and feet because he basically has marfan syndrome but missed the negatives.
I swam competitively for 2 decades and this is the perfect swimmer's body.
>>36400942
Seconding Sabina, she has innate talent for being a qtpie. She's probably decent at volleyball too.
>>36399857
He used to strap plates to his back and walk up and down the gym bobbing and weaving
Probably could have been the best boxer of all time if his parents didn't die at his peak and he didn't go to prison
>>36398444
Mike Tyson is clearly very clever, he's just not very good at public speaking(or speaking in general) combined with Jake LaMotta-tier social retardation and aggression he initially appears much dumber than he really is
>>36398634
>Michael Jordan
>height
He admitted after retiring that he's actually only 6'4
>>36406684
Gets paid millions to play pro basketball. Several gold medals for olympic basketball. Try harder with the b8/10
>>36397719
Any gold medal winner or world champion.
>>36399648
Fucking agent orange drinking gook detected.
>>36405775
Hep c is curable now
Ty Cobb, he played the game before the big hitters like Babe Ruth. He was a great strategical player.
Steve Prefontaine
Motherfucker didn't give a shit what his time was; he ran to win every single race
He wasn't even that fast compared to the best in the world but he went balls to the wall regardless
>>36399466
Agree 100% , could've done so much better if he had work ethic
>>36398435
>natty
c'mon now.
Rodney Mullen
Daewon Song
Tony Hawk
..
>>36408270
so what? jamie vardy still bigger athler
basketball is a game for tall na donly. period.
if you are tall - you can play
if you are not - no
(pls, do not post this 1% of players who are lower than 6'2)
>>36406843
Left hooks, body shots and yes, jabs.
Allen Iverson
>Never went to practice
>Short as fuck for the NBA
>american athletes are all niggers
>>36399999
What about the other pubstars like miracle (maybe badman? idk much about him tho)
>>36405188
I'm a hooker. And I was only moved to hooker because I was kind of slow and ineffective at winger (this being an American college club that basically stuck everyone new at winger, unless they had American football experience, which I did not).
This is because NO AMOUNT OF TRAINING WILL BRING A 24'' VERTICAL LEAP TO A 34'' VERTICAL LEAP. Likewise, no amount of training is going to turn my BARELY sub 5 second 40m dash time into a 4.45 40m.
I'm sure NBA players work REALLY hard. That's why, with very few exceptions, they're VERY good shooters compared to collegiate scrubs. But they had that 30'' vertical leap back when they were in goddamn high school because you are objectively born with this shit.
>>36405234
>Gretzky
>American football
Wow
He was an ice hockey player. The best pure offensive player who ever lived by a WIDE margin. And he did that largely by being somewhat faster than average, being very good with the puck, and being almost prescient with regards to where the play and puck was going.
Which was kind of my point. While the speed indicates a certain level of genetic disposition for athletics, I'm not sure any of the other stuff does. And without that other stuff, he's a NHL second stringer, not the GOAT.
>>36405795
>>36405818
EVERY Olympic weightlifter, particularly any medalist, is only an Olympic weightlifter because they're genetically made for it. If you don't have an abnormally high proportion of type-II fast twitch muscle fibers, preferably along with good anthropometric proportions (and also lots and lots of steroids), no amount of training is going to get you to their insane numbers.
>>36405979
He artificially enhanced his recovery capabilities with Sensu Beans, allowing him to supercompensate at a faster rate than other Saiyans.
Goku was on roids.
>>36406558
To be fair, swimmers get multiple medals for doing the exact same thing.
It'd be like giving weightlifters medals for best snatch and best clean and jerk along with best total, except that actually makes MORE sense than giving Phelps multiple medals for swimming the 100m Fly by himself and then as part of a medley relay.
>>36406903
Nigga he WAS the best boxer of all time. Tyson in his prime would have KO'ed Ali inside of three rounds. And Tyson could KTFO Mayweather in a fight TOMORROW.
>>36400870
you dont need to be athletic or talented to lift heavy weights are you retarded? you can be a slow ass fat ass motherfucker and be a semi decent powerlifter
>>36415704
This
Mike Tyson is the greatest ever
>>36399762
how the fuck
you dumb bastard
no one is born with a TALENT. you do something so many times that youre just better at it than someone else
no hes not huge. no hes not amazeballs fast. but hes shitting on those lebron and griffins in the league. name a better shooter. ill wait
>>36408749
Thats seems like more of him just being a total badass than natural talent.
>>36415704
theyre also in completely different weight division
her durr big guy can beat small guy UHG
>>36399273
GOAT
>>36397910
>Adrian Peterson
>injured repeatedly last few years
nope
>>36405979
that was through hard work, not talent. he was born with a power level of like 10. Vegeta was a high class sayian with an assumedly high power level from birth.
>>36397730
Yeah that's more of a mental thing though he was still genetically gifted. And I would argue his upbringing and life as a youth were major parts of his destiny
Russell Wilson
Like him or not, he is one of the most talented players in the NFL.
>>36415948
agreed. Too bad the coaches prevented him from back to back owls
>>36398072
>Diaz brothers are retarded punching bags. Nate literally pulled a Homer and let Conor punch himself out to beat him.
wut? then who the fuck won? dumb cunt
>>36410168
ay o.. lets go
>>36415746
He's not saying that there are better shooters. Wait all you want. He is saying that Steph doesn't have any remarkable physiological traits that give him an advantage over other basketball players, and that all of his skill comes from hard work and dedication, not "innate talent" like op asked for
>>36399441
Can I ask whom this is?
>>36416118
>it's too hard to google image search, spoonfeed me
no, you MAY not ask who it is.
>>36406916
>Jake LaMotta-tier social retardation
?????
>crt + F
>no bruce lee
wat
Matt Jones Arkansas QB—disaster in the NFL, but still. 6'6" 242lbs; 4.37 40yd dash; 39.5" vertical.
>>36399940
Is this how dumb /fit/ is?
>>36398119
I think you can get very good at pretty much anything with enough practice and experience. But if you want to compete against the elite you need to be gifted as well. It's not like you can take a random boy off the street and make him play football all day every day and in the end he will automatically be a Lionel Messi.
Crazy thought that there is probably some guy out there working some normal job who could have been one of the best players in the world if he would have trained continously.
>>36398612
That's what they give all people with this condition though. athlete or not
>>36397806
>ridiculous mental sharpness
>illiterate
>>36417902
No, the kid would need also a decade of HGH to be like Messi
>>36397806
>le jabclinch man
Anybody can be good at anything if they worl hard ebough. Hard work will always beat talent when talent refuses to work hard.
>>36418016
Problem is when you compete against someone who works hard and has talent
>>36398216
1/10 SHIT bait
>>36415704
Even though Tyson was an exceptional boxer, you just can't compare him to Ali. Two totally different eras with totally different fighters. Ali's era had much more top fighters that Tyson's so Tyson was never truly tested. And when he was, he failed (I know... drugs, D'Amato's death etc).
Michael Phelps
Bruce Lee
Jaromir Jagr
Valeriy Klitchko
