So I just finished reading pic related.
In my opinion anyone that lifts should read that book. It's so good and it teaches you so many things. I do agree that SS routine is a bit shitty, people tend to forget it's a routine for people who've literally never picked up weight in their lives. Most of us either Started lifting in high school for sports or dicked around in the gym for months before getting serious, and yes SS is not for these people
Anyways I think people should stop saying SS is a meme. You just don't understand what it's for. The book is definitely not a meme and if you don't read it you're retarded.
Also did I mention the endless shit talking on the machines in the book? Ripptoe is pretty based
>>36315488
>this guy falled for a meme so hard he made a thread about it
Guaranteed reply (you)
>>36315510
I've never done SS in my life faggot, I'm saying the book is good.
What do you think it's 200 pages of one routine you just know?
>>36315488
>I do agree that SS routine is a bit shitty, people tend to forget it's a routine for people who've literally never picked up weight in their lives.
Whoa, get out of here with your reasonable assessment of a very basic novice program.
>>36315576
5/3/1 or Juggernaut would be better choices.
As someone who ACTUALLY ran SS as detailed in the book, with chinups and dips added, I can't think of anything different I'd have a novice lifter do. I eventually ended up subbing front squats for the Wed squats, but even that isn't much of a change - eventually you're supposed to do a light squat day on Wed anyway. I read the fucking book, I am the 1%.
What is wrong with starting strength?
I'm basing my routine off it
>>36315687
When/where/how did you add the dips and chins?
>>36316148
Dips on OHP day, chins on BP day. (Then more dips on BP day and more chins on OHP day tbqh).
>>36316082
You don't "base" your routine off of SS, you do the program.
>>36315488
Low bar squats are shit, everyone who suggests to do it for beginner or noncompetitive should die from testicular cancer, so GTFO with your fat mediocre powerlifter
>>36315488
>weakfag or even never lifted before
>read meme book and created thread about it
>"IN MY OPINION"
who fucking cares?
>>36315488
Most people criticizing it think SS means GOMAD.
They badmouth SS saying it's for noobs>>>>the title has the word "basic" in it.
Say there's nothing for upper body>>>>bench, OHP, and a full chapter dedicated to assistance exercises, including dips, extensions, pullups, chinups.
Goes to show how much they know. They just pick up on a trend a flap their mouth about stuff they don't know being "a meme", wether it's SS, brosplit, or nutrition.
My favorite: "I'm 6foot190lbs been lifting two years, I could take down [insert professional fighter]"
>>36317755
>Most people criticizing it think SS means GOMAD
stupid low bar squats
low volume
squats too often
no single-leg exercises
stupid powercleans, useless/danger for beginners
no horizontal pulls (like barbell rows)
>>36318240
Barbell rows are there senpai
>>36319179
YNDTP
>>36319179
Also I never saw any beginner who can do barbell rows with good technique.
Can i substitute power clean with barbell rows ?
>>36319269
Or chin up
>>36319269
Don't fuck with this old 5x5 shit, do New Rules Of Lifting Supercharged, it's much more better balanced
>>36319269
That's what most of the beginner 5x5 programs have (barbell rows instead of power cleans). In fact SL5x5 and SS have the same exercises except for that difference (and the 5x5 vs 3x5).
>>36315687
I had the same experience with SS. In 3.5 months of the program, I went from completely untrained to squatting 365lbs for reps and benching 225lbs. I know my progress is higher than others on /fit/ post, but it makes me wonder how hard they pushed themselves.
Ye, it's good....for 3 months. After that you should add more volume.
Rippetoe is an ass though. Claiming that it's possible to achieve 31lbs of LBM gain in 11 weeks using his program.
>>36319269
No
>BB row = bench/deadlfit assistant, builds lats
>PC = explosiveness, big as fuck traps and forearms
Do both.
>>36319725
when you are a beginner, and you bullshit really hard, all the people who actually know what they're taking about are very aware that you're lying and it's really cringy
the whole "le harder you push the stronger you get" was really icing on this shit cake
>>36318240
There's nothing wrong with lowbar.
>>36319782
>BB row deadlfit assistant
kek
>>36319830
>Jeez I wonder if this pulling movement improves this other pulling movement
>>36318240
low bar just emphasizes different muscles than high bar, when will you understand?
>>36319826
For competitive powerlifter, of course. But SS isn't powerlifting program
>>36319838
low bar just needed only for competitive powerlifters, when will you understand?
>>36319839
>>36319845
Plenty of guys I played football with squatted low bar. It's just a more comfortable movement for some people.
>>36319845
no, low bar hits your posterior chain, while high bar hits anterior chain, you do whichever you want to work. your posterior chain tends to be stronger, thats all
>>36319725
bull fucking shit, did you do gomad? what was your starting weight? how much did you weigh? how much do you weigh now?
>>36319782
>BB row = deadlfit assistant
>overhead press = front squat assistant
>pull up = front squat assistant
>behind neck press = back squat assistant
>good morning = behind neck press assistant
>>36319856
>low bar hits your posterior chain
I already have deadlift, hyperextensions and power cleans to hit my posterior chain. Can I do something that hit my anterior chain, Ripp?
Ah, the old 'low bar squats don't build quads' meme, a classic
>>36319895
You can The Press and Bench Press.
>>36319867
you're an idiot
>>36319903
when will you nonlifters learn?
high bar squat gives you beautiful developed thighs and firm glutes
low bar gives you wide hips, overdeveloped glutes and underdeveloped VMO
>>36319826
>>36319903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLVJTBZtiuw
>>36319725
Dw I believe you
To the two faggots who replied who thinks this is impossible you just ousted yourselves as people who have never worked and live genuinely sedentary lifestyles
A 2pl8 bench press is hardly a big deal for some beginners, ever hear of hard labour? It is what it is, pussies
>>36319908
>You can The Press and Bench Press.
Oh yes, my pecs and delts are definitely on my legs. I'm talking about quads, idiot.
>>36319782
>BB row deadlfit assistant
same way as bicep curls
![Picture-66[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/d4tvwTz.png "Picture-66[1].png")
>>36319895
>deadlift
hip hinge movement
>hyperextensions
hip hinge movement
>and power cleans
hip hinge movement
That's a lot of hip dominant exercises, I hope you have some actual back exercises, like rows/pull-ups, to balance out the big ass you're gonna get.
or else, pic related's gonna happen
>>36319961
Ay dawg, you realize that woman at 00:24 is squatting highbar, right?
>>36319974
Not that they're even in the program but yes, barbell rows are commonly used as deadlift assistance. Do a heavy 5x5 and tell me it only used the lats.
>>36319982
>I hope you have some actual back exercises
thnx for your care :3
>>36319985
Ay dawg you realize its still not an olympic squat, right?
>>36320001
muh oly atg
Whatever faggot I squat lowbar and consistently hit depth according to judges. You snatch 1pl8 in your basement.
>>36320016
lol
>>36320016
>according to judges
lol, that's like 1/4 ROM
>>36319999
>Do a heavy 5x5 and tell me it only used the lats
Oh lol, if I wanted to do assistance that way I will better do good mornings with 30s pause at the bottom. Barbell rows are not deadlift assistance same way as dumbbell bicep curles are not dumbbell overhead press assistance just because of overlap of some exercise phases.
>>36320037
Not when you're a muh IPF masterrace lifter
>>36320053
Tell me all about your career as a competitive powerlifter or strongman please.
>>36319961
the power lifters are literally squatting twice the weight of the olly guys...
>>36320070
but with a quarter of ROM, so the oly lifters actually lifts twice as much as the PLs
>>36320070
>Mart Seim highbar 400kg/880 pound squat beltless
>Pat Mendes highbar 360kg/800 pound squat beltless
>Clarence Kennedy Paused 300kg highbar beltless squat
Just to mention a few
>inb4 muh suited, belted and tight ass kneewrapped 450kg wide stance parallel squat
Dude shut the fuck up
>>36320070
the pl use suits
suits lift like 75% of the weight
>>36319966
Then don't say anterior chain faggot.
>>36320070
>>36320070
at half the rom so it all evens out
>>36315687
dips are not in the ss program tho
>>36319895
you cant deadlift hard three times a week
>>36320094
>75%
>>36320103
>you cant deadlift hard three times a week
you cant do any lift hard three times a week
>>36320154
You can definitely bench three times a week. Depends on what you mean by 'hard' though.
>>36320154
yes you can, you can squat and bench quite hard three times a week until ur intermediate
>>36319825
>le harder you push the stronger you get
People who give up on linear progression the moment it actually becomes a grind are who I'm referring to. Those who get up to 225lbs Squats and say they aren't a novice any more either:
>have shit form
>never deload
>never incorporated a light day
>didn't eat/sleep more
>just couldnt hack it
If you don't get a 300lbs Squat as a man on SS, you are a bitch. Period.
>>36319856
No, low bar squats don't develop the hamstrings well.
They're still mainly a quads, glutes and adductors exercise.
Any deadlift, but especially SLDLs or RLDs, will develop the hamstrings way better.
>>36315617
Literally no one on this board has read the book. Youre going to get a lot of unbased back lash for no reason. This is a pure bro science board so im not surprised
>>36320364
I actually read the book.
It's not that good.
>>36319830
BB Rows work out your erector spinae.
Cardio bunny grill here wanting to start lifting.
Is SS a good routine for me, or better suited to men?
>>36320103
Dips and pullups are added to the program a few weeks in iirc
>>36320554
SS without accessories could just as well be called Starting Ass.
Squat = ass
DL = ass
PC = ass
bench and press are the only upper body exercises
>>36320580
only chins/pullups are, not dips.
>>36320590
ss has chins though
>>36320554
Girl who did SS here.
I would recommend it. I wasn't doing it for a better body, but my body looks the best it ever has. I did SS for about 4.5 months, and now I'm doing the Texas method.
>>36315623
PDF of Juggernaut?
>>36315687
What about power cleans? I don't know if I'd have an incompetent beginner do those.
Greyskull is better IMO.
>>36320590
lol agreed. Did SS.
Also the lowbar squats are even more ass-centric than highbar ones.
>>36320654
theyre fine, if you have trouble with them you can just form check on the ss forums and that solves 99% of the cases
>>36320622
Cool, thanks.
If I may ask also, how long did it take you to see results? Also was it very hard to begin with?
>>36320154
>this is what faggots doing splits actually believe
>>36317612
>every beginner MUST start with the squat variation that requires the most flexibility and develops weightlifting specific strength
Yeah, can't imagine anything going wrong with that.
The point is getting as many people to squat as possible. Most people can't do a proper high bar squat day one.
>>36320257
This retarded shit is exactly why people plateau for way too long on programs they shouldn't be running anymore.
>>36321001
This retarded shit is why people say SS is a meme. It fucking works, and it works well. Blame "muh genetics" for your lack of progression.
>>36320718
I wouldnt say its hard to begin with. If you dont eat or sleep enough, or if you arent recovered for any reason, you might fail on some lifts some days. Thats frustrating but normal. It's also a bit awkward learning the lifts. If you can get ahold of it, read the book. If not, watch forrm videos. But start with the bar for all the lifts. Squats and DLs progress quickly, OHP and BP the progress comes low and slow.
I saw physical changes at about 6 weeks. I felt noticeably stronger after just a month, I was weak as fuck. I had no idea where to start with strength training, so SS was super helpful.
>>36321186
SS is a meme, but it also works.
But if you're not making progress anymore, you shouldn't be running that program.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is fucking stupid.
Can anyone post the Full é book
>>36320282
>lowbar squats don't develop the hamstrings well
autism confirmed
>>36315488
Meme: The Book.
>>36322145
No.
http://strengtheory.com/its-time-to-end-this-nonsense-high-bar-vs-low-bar-squatting/
http://strengtheory.com/2014/01/23/hamstrings-the-most-overrated-muscle-group-for-the-squat/
Why the fuck would anyone care about your opinion?
