Is this the natty limit for what concerns mass and definition?
No:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgXSdvSlKhbUYZQS1GwDUeQ
This is.
>>36113763
If it is, I'm okay with it. You can literally see every fuckin muscle. Look at that hole between his traps. Who wants to be this defined anyway? I'd be happy to have a bit more bf and higher mass
>>36113839
>that
>natty
lol
>>36114349
If you dont think thats natty then I feel bad for you son
>>36114828
>natty elite footballers
>>36114828
Have you seen his training videos? He uses pathetic bitch weights, there's no way you can get that mass natty with that baby strength.
>>36114728
If that's a "natural bodybuilder" you must realize that, like almost all elite athletes, they only abstain from performance enhancing substances to pass drug tests. They're using when they can get away with it, such as well in advance of an anticipated test.
>>36113763
WHATS UP GUYS
JEFF CAVELIER
ATHLEAN X DOT COM
>>36113839
>quit video games.
I've heavily considered quitting video games and 4chan here recently. Just 100% cold turkey.
Heracles wasn't on sissy drugs.
23 FFMI is pretty much doable by the natural bodybuilder. Cristiano Ronaldo is about 21.
There's no reason you couldn't attain pic related naturally.
>>36115073
His legs are bigger but I'd be his size with a pump and spray tan. I'm natty.
That's very achievable without ever taking anything.
>>36114981
link em
>>36114981
Yeah? Have you ever done "baby weights"?
>>36115203
He only really looks big due to lats and shoulders creating the wide illusion. He would look dyel in a shirt or seen by the side.
Also, no legs.
>>36114901
>natty elite anything
Even major league gamers aren't natty. They take adderall
>>36115225
They are in his channel, search a little.
>>36115226
...yes? What kind of question is that?
/fit/: LALALA bad genetics aren't a thing LALALA
>what about bad insertions?
yeah those totally exist, bro.
it's why my chest look shit, insertions bro.
>what about just not progressing as fast or as far as professionals?
NOPE THAT'S NOT GENETICS
EAT MORE
TRAIN MORE
SLEEP MORE
i fucking hate the fitness world
>>36115315
I honestly can't tell if the ironic parts are the greentext or the normaltext.
>>36115355
kek
ironic parts are normaltext
Casey Butt. natural
>>36115231
Sure, how about you post a picture of yours you fat shit keyboard warrior
>>36115223
so what, he's taking shitloads of steroids like any other elite athlete
even the skinny twinks like neymar
>>36115574
My point was that it's completely possible to do it natty? Why was that hard to understand.
Yes, HE, is maybe doing steroids, but that doesn't mean others can't make it there.
>>36115641
who cares really, of course people with very good genetics and a lot of training can get that body
but at the end of the day 99 in 100 guys with that body will be steroid users, and that's a conservative assumption
pointless discussion
>>36115695
Not a conservative assumption. And since op was asking about natty limits, it wasn't a pointless discussion.
I get it though. I'm honestly natty, but I get a good deal of steroid accusations on here and IRL. When I was smaller maybe I would have even accused myself, but once you reach this point you realize that most people are way more willing to jump the gun and blame steroids than to give a person credit.
All I'm saying.
>>36115741
I believe you, post your body.
>>36115112
And replace it with what? I've quit video games, but that time has just been replaced by more /fit/.
>>36115779
>>36115779
>>36115822
People are stupid. That's not a road body unless barely did them. Def achievable after some time and solid training.
discussing this on /fit/ is a waste of time
people who are still making natty gains (vast majority, veteran lifters leave this place eventually) for some reason believe they can keep making gains for a long time and achieve very decent physiques
some people who have lifted for quite a bit and know the truth get called DYELs who don't want to work hard and set low standards for themselves
the best hint I can give you is that testosterone was first isolated in 1935 or something like that, so chances that Steve Reeves was natty are 0
>>36115872
>some people who have lifted for quite a bit and know the truth get called DYELs who don't want to work hard and set low standards for themselves
aka
>i have a shit diet but i'd rather complain about it on the internet than make actual progress
>>36115866
Absolutely. I've only been lifting for around 3.5 years and should have made more progress in that time desu.
Unfortunately, I think /fit/ is just filled with so many people who are still overweight or DYEL that everyone's initial beliefs of "He's bigger than me, must be steroids" lump together into a collective way of thinking.
>>36115822
Hey dude, Build's lookin' solid
I'm 2 months into my own modified SS,
A
Squats 3x5
bench 3x5
rows 3x5
weighted pullups 3x5
B
Squats 3x5
The Press 3x5
powa cleans 5x3
Diddy 1x5
Weighted dips 3x5
I just hit 155 squat and 195 deadlift today, and wanna move on to an intermediate in 2-4 months.
Any suggestions? You're my goal physique, any direction would be greatly appreciated.
>>36116086
It's good you're doing SS, but I'd start throwing in more accessories. Especially upper body ones. Curls, shoulder raises, tricep extensions, face pulls, etc.
You can start working on aesthetics while strength training. Doing the extra exercises may cut into your overall strength progression but since you're more worried about physique that's not a huge deal.
That said you do want to get strong. That way you can alternate between strength routines and hypertrophy routines. That's a natty's best bet for aesthetics imo. Just keep lifting mang.
>>36116157
Will do thanks brah
>>36115801
So basically something more useless than video games. Good work. You're where you belong.
Divegrass atheletes cannot afford to have any upperbody muscle since they got to run/walk at brisk pace for 90 minutes
>>36115231
Total bullshit. Yeah he would look flat from the side, like any normal human that's lean.
>no legs
get fucked his legs are fine.
You got that stupid body dysmorphia where anyone who doesn't look like three rich pianas all squashed together gets called DYEL
Snap the fuck out of it.
>>36113763
No. I know people who look like that who just play sport and eat well.
>>36115315
>I train like a bitch, eat like a girl, and sleep like an insomniac
>muh jennetix
HAES pls go
>>36115905
Find me a single pre-steroid bodybuilder that wasn't small af
>>36116283
>Definitely not natty
>DYEL as fuck
...can someone ever make it??
>>36116086
yeah man thats a good routine but just add some clen and tren & ur good
>>36116702
>tfw when you wanna be natty but also aesthetic as fuck
>>36115916
i was with you until you said 3.5 years
>>36115225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcAg8Jo8AYE
>>36114981
He's 5'6" that mass is called being a manlet
>>36113839
If you believe that guy is natty you are fucking stupid.
>>36115231
What exactly do you mean by look DYEL? As if he's super into fitness? Or he just looks good?
as much as it hurts there's going to be some genetic freaks who look like they're on tren just from doing sports and a bro split in hs
>>36113839
that guys posing makes me want to blow my brain out
This thread makes me feel big. Feels good man
he is natty
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12224447_1704270243134692_477456649_n.jpg
He doesn't have that much mass, he's just pretty cut
doubt this guy can even bench 300
memes aside (and whether he's natty or not), I think Jeff Seid is about the true natty limit in terms of mass + vascularity
it helps that he's only about 5'9 too, taller guys probably need to have a little more fat on them to keep that lean mass
I've lifted for 5.5 years, 6'3 and 212 lbs. at about 14-15%, I have good genetics but I'm probably not the upper limit and I definitely don't maintain a perfect diet, you can do a lot better than Rolando
>>36116994
Honest truth though. I'm 6' 175. Legs are meh. Started from auschwitz.
>>36114728
Considering this being a natty with very good genetics (competing and all), its pretty clear that 99.9% of athletes juice.
>>36117694
>just 2pl8
Is he 5'2" or something?
>>36115231
This dyel meme needs to end. You are right, if he wore a jacket and pants, he would look but not all that muscular. Surprise, the human body doesn't naturally leave humanity behind. He'd look great in a shirt, this board has too much obsession with raw mass.
>>36118601
this guy is an amateur who competes in a competition no one cares about or aspires for
pro athletes are playing a sport 99.99999% of the population dreams about competing in and are absolute peak athletes and genetic specimens
bear that in mind
>>36115822
God damn bro looking good.
>>36118730
Thanks mang
>>36115231
>legs meme
>>36113763
absolute natty limit is fat free mass index of 25.
that is for pro athletes in physique though, there are fitness youtubers that roid but dont reach that (kinobody).
>>36115231
/fit/ has poisoned your mind. You are unredeemable.
>>36115822
Saving this as goalbody.jpg
>>36118601
>very good genetics
Lmao
>>36120463
Pervert.
>>36115822
mirin ab genetics
>>36115822
well shut my mouth
>>36115822
What are you? 5'6"?
>>36123003
6' archbishop of manlets.
>>36118363
Lolololol
>jeff seid
>natty
