>current year
>still believing in the calories meme
>calories don't equal fat. if she eats very little fat she isn't going to get fat
>21 likes
Youtube everyone
>>36013304
>tfw there are 21 or more people that are this stupid
>>36013304
to be fair, in the states, we have Calories and calories, not cal and kcal. it can be confusing if you dont know
the last comment killme
>>36013208
I really don't get these people. Like do they think fat just skips your digestive system and immediately gets deposited under your skin our what?
She does cardio and is very insulin sensitive. Her body is primed to store it all as glycogen.
and what is wrong exactly?
That's sort of true. Excess of glucose is converted to glycogen, excess of glycogen is converted to fat. Sugars don't become fat if you don't use them. They'll be floating around in her bloodstream for awhile.
>15 bananas
>daily snack
I would fucking vomit that's disgusting
>eat big to get big
>>36013339
Except Calories=kcal so no, it's not confusing, the just don't know. And I learned about Calories and in middle school health/wellness class and then again in highschool health/wellness class. Afaik, it's required education in the US at public schools.
Believe it or not, but the human digestive system is not a 2nd grade mathematical equation. Calories in, energy out is a good rule of thumb, but that's a childlike understanding of your organs.
For example, drink a whole bottle of olive oil, you will shit most of it out and not absorb all of it's caloric density.
>>36013742
>They'll be floating around in her bloodstream for awhile
Completely false. Fructose is toxic to our organs - that's why it triggers the highest insulin response out of any foods we eat. The body is trying to get rid of that shit as soon as possible.
The fructose goes to two places. The first is anywhere in your body that has GLUT5 receptors - this is mainly your tendons and your intestines. Both of these systems can use fructose for fuel. The remaining fructose is absorbed into the liver where it is converted into glucose and fat.
Hence why tremendous fructose consumption leads to fatty liver disease.
![1455507511838[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/HMrXe2J.png "1455507511838[1].png")
>2016
>>36014300
lol when her cuck hubby reads that
>>36014290
Fructose is the "gay" sugar.
>>36014243
>human digestive system is not a 2nd grade mathematical equation
By eating only when are hungry for 1-2 weeks, recording how much you ate everyday, and taking the average of the test period, you literally have empirical data on your daily energy expenditure. +500/-500 calories depending on your goals. Seems like 2nd grade arithmetic to me. You really dont need a complex understanding of human physiology, given you aren't doing retarded shit like drinking a bottle of olive oil or eating 20 bananas in a sitting.
>>36013208
the "calories don't equal fat" thing is BS, but the raw food thing is actually true to an extent. Cooking food makes it easier for your body to digest and you absorb more calories. You will absorb more calories from a well-done steak than a rare steak
>>36014243
it's like when you apply thermodynamcs to engines, you always take into account efficiency if you want a somewhat accurate number
link to the youtube video faggot.
>>36013393
The last comment is half right. Different foods are converted to fat at different rates. That's a reason high fructose corn syrup is a problem
>>36014392
you realize that thermodynamics are taken into account by your resting metabolic rate... any heat or energy spent on regulatory functions are what makes up that number. Calories in, calories out.
>>36013208
>if it's not a fat calorie, you won't get fat
>majority of people believe this
I fucking give up. This world is royally fucked.
>>36014564
It's starting to get to me to, bro. The thing is you've got to lead by example. Be the change you want to be and all that. The people who scoff at you are do nothing bitches who'll do nothing and be nothing regardless. But you may find people who need your help and want you to help them - and you'll be ready.
>>36014518
>The last comment is half right.
No, it isn't.
HFCS is converted to fat at the same rate as sugar, which is effectually the same rate as as carbs
excess calories are the caused of the obesity epidemic, not your retarded Oprah nutritional bogyman
>>36014627
>not your retarded Oprah nutritional bogyman
fiber in food causes it to digest slower giving your energy over a period of time, sugar gets digested right away which is why you get sugar highs
obviously you wouldn't normally need that energy right then and there so it gets converted to fat much sooner
>>36014616
>>36014564
>went to see family for Thanksgiving
>they're all fat as fuck
>they unironically tell me they are all on the chocolate milk diet now
>mfw
>>36014627
>excess calories are the cause of the obesity epidemic
There's more to it then that, but you're right.
From what I understand, it basically runs down like this:
>If you're eating at or under maintainence only ~5% of fructose is transformed into fat - the rest is either stored as glycogen by any systems that have GLUT5 receptors or transformed into glucose
>If you're eating over maintainence fructose is converted primarily into fat - a large minority stored in the liver
>Fatty acid droplets in the liver reduce its efficiency, leading to metabolic syndrome - i.e. da pre-diabeetus
>Excess calories are stored as fat, increasing the workload on the body, which fucks up the liver even more then it already is
>metabolic syndrome morphs into heart disease/liver disease/diabetes due to the body's inability to regulate it's hormones/cholesterol
The obesity epidemic wouldn't be a problem if the obese weren't all but guaranteed to have horrible health due to metabolic syndrome.
>>36014645
>fiber in food causes it to digest slower giving your energy over a period of time
Not it doesn't, what the fuck are you even on about?
>>36013208
>people is retarded
surprise surprise
>>36014653
The worst part is that they probably picked up that shit from some body-builder saying chocolate milk is the best after-workout supplement there is - which it is. That GOCMAD mang. They're gonna get HYUUUUUGE.
>>36014300
>tfw current girlfriend is like this
>i was the same exact way fucking tons of girls
>we both cucked each other
>>36014700
It was a fucking olympian who said, so you're basically right.
So now they think everytime they walk up the stares, is a fucking excuse to down a gallon of chocolate milk.
It's fucking insane.
>>36014702
>cuck
Way to misuse the meaning of that word retard. Here's your fucking meme award.
>>36014697
>Not it doesn't
do some of your own research, I bet you haven't even looked into it before
>>36014645
Speed of digestion has NO EFFECT on net fat synthesis, you fucking cock-gobbling faggot.
If you're consuming an excess of calories it doesn't matter one iota if those calories make it through your intestines in 30mins or 2 hours, you'll gain fat regardless, and at the exact same rate.
Jesus fuck, this is some fucking eat-17-meals-a-day-to-stay-slim tier momscience you're rocking YOU FUCKING R E T A R D
>>36014737
do you own research nerd burger, I'm not trappy and I don't intend on spoon feeding faggots that only just started lifting
or even switch to a high sugar diet with the same amount of calories and see for yourself
>>36014734
I have, and it doesn't; your a fucking retard for thinking it does.
https://www.gutsense.org/reports/myth.html
>>36014754
>>36014734
>>36014645
>>36014737
welp, just gonna remind you that celery does have calories, yet the work of digestion offsets it. Fiber requires your digestion to spend energy, that is why it offsets some caloric intake.
>>36013208
>if she eats very little fat she isn't going to get fat
YouTube is the epitome of idiocy
>>36014761
wow a site about selling a book to cure gut problems is criticising eating fiber as a good thing
did you buy the book so they can tell you their secret?
>I (Konstantin Monastyrsky, author) am not a medical doctor. The opinions expressed in my books, videos, and websites reflect my personal experiences and ongoing investigations into functional (i.e. reversible) conditions related to everyday health and nutrition.
lmao nice research
>>36014798
Judges comments on Youtube but validifies his comments on a Crimean 40k tabletop fansite
>How The Gut Microbiota Affects Our Health with Dr. Erica & Dr. Justin Sonnenburg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZcbNw7sng
>>36014691
>le fructose
>le metabolic syndrome
>le all obesity-related health complications are caused by fatshaming and le evul nutritional bogyman
H O L Y CHRIST you are a FUCKING R E T A R D
1) HFCS is not fucking fructose, it's a fructose:glucose mix, which is metabolized by the exact same metabolic pathway as sucrose (the disaccharide of fructose & glucose)
2) You know what's a better predictor of diabetes than prediabetes? Being fat.
3) There is zero data to support the position that obesity can ever be a benign condition, all data points to adiposity being the direct causal mechanism for health consequences of obesity.
>>36014825
Obviously this is a Samoan tropical fish breeding forum you fool
/fit/ is the same as the YouTube comments
>>36014778
That's a myth, it's also based off the (incorrect) notion that mastication of celery burns more calories than celery contains, not that fiber burns calories.
>>36013322
to be fair, these are people watching videos about a woman that eat only bananas as her diet..
>>36014931
If anyone cares, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533803/
You can scroll down to fig. 1 where fructose does convert to glucose and eventually glycogen, as a normal pathway. But fructose has a product gylceraldehyde a quote :
"The first step in the metabolism of fructose is the phosphorylation of fructose to fructose 1-phosphate by fructokinase (Km = 0.5 mM, ≈ 9 mg/100 ml), thus trapping fructose for metabolism in the liver.Hexokinase IV (Glucokinase), also occurs in the liver and would be capable of phosphorylating fructose to fructose 6-phosphate (an intermediate in the gluconeogenic pathway); however, it has a relatively high Km (12 mM) for fructose and, therefore, essentially all of the fructose is converted to fructose-1-phosphate in the human liver. Much of the glucose, on the other hand, is not phosphorylated (Km of hepatic glucokinase (hexokinase IV) = 10 mM), passes through the liver directed toward peripheral tissues, and is taken up by the insulin-dependent glucose transporter, GLUT 4, present on adipose tissue and skeletal muscle."
>>36015072
As an addendum fructose is treated differently in the metabolic process than regular sugars
>>36014995
jesus christ how is she not dead? how dumb is this lady
>>36015100
she eats dates as well senpai
>>36015112
oh ok
>>36014300
>Tfw dorky nerd
>Tfw get good girl date for two years
>Tfw get good career and good money but have to be away from home often
>Tfw she breaks up with you and is within a week fucking some scumbag who still sells pot to high schoolers at 23 years old
Life is worthless
>>36015072
Holy shit, are you LITERALLY retarded?
that is how fructose is metabolized.
Now kindly explain how a 50:50 mix of fructose & glucose (HFCS) is different than a 50:50 mix of fructose & glucose (sucrose)
>>36014564
It really is hard to get people to understand this. My flatmate just tried telling be about "good calories" and "bad calories".
No Vince, the reason you're fat is because you simply eat a fuckton of calories every day.
>>36015097
>fructose is treated differently in the metabolic process than regular sugars
holy shit, does this nigger think fructose is some sort of artificial sugar only present in corn syrup?
>>36014290
>Biology is wrong because you can't drink a bottle of olive oil and apply the same rules to general eating habits
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
>>36015148
fructose is different than glucose and the body responds to them differently you dumb bitch
>>36015127
HFCS is just a mixture of fructose and glucose, where sucrose is a larger molecule with fructose and glucose bonded via an oxygen atom
>>36014518
Please stop posting this bullshit and spend your time educating yourself. Your body can convert fat, carb, and protein to adipose. Eating in excess of tdee results in net adipose gain. Eating below tdee results in net adipose loss. This is extremely simple, I'm honestly flabbergasted that you managed to confuse yourself.
>>36015196
>I'm honestly flabbergasted that you managed to confuse yourself.
you're projecting, you didn't even address the anon's point
>>36015148
Fructose use another metabolic step in order to be converted to atp.
>>36015191
The body has hydrolysis enzymes which split the dimer. Please stop posting retarded shit and go take a biochem class.
>>36014290
That's what I said, it'll be floating around in her blood for awhile before its converted to fat. I'm assuming fat just becomes fat since its absorbed as fatty acids and glycerol which recombines in the lacteal. That's all I remember from secondary school biology.
>>36015220
More importantly, sucrose is broken down by saliva amylase, so it's broken into glucose and fructose before it even reaches the stomach, much less small intestinal absorption.
>>36015205
The anon doesn't have a point. Rate of conversion from intake to adipose is of course different not only for different foods as they follow different pathways, but will also vary based on the current fed status of the individual. However, the anon insinuates that this has an effect on your adipose levels over time and this is patently incorrect. If you eat over tdee you gain fat, if you eat under tdee you lose it. A few minutes difference between when you eat a food and when you lay down adipose is not fucking relevant.
>>36015125
The only way your life would be worthless is if she found someone better. She picked trash, so obviously bad taste rebound happening. You still have the good career and money. Now go get a better girl.
>>36015186
You aren't spooning glucose into your coffee, retard.
>>36015191
Nigger, your body can't even absorb sucrose. It's ALL hydrolyzed into fructose & glucose
>>36015141
he means good calories I enjoy eating bad calories he regrets eating. so to him it's probably up to 4PM = good calories, and post 4PM is all shit. XD
>>36014904
how is that a fucking tl;dr
>>36014290
Fructose does not cause an insulin response, retard. Don't comment when you don't know what the fuck your talking about.
>>36015611
Yes it does. Insulin response =/= insulin secretion. Consumption of fructose significantly increases beta cell insulin content - more so than other sugars. Combine this with triggers of glucose - which is generally found right alongside fructose - and you have a large insulin spike. Someone needs to go back to school.
>>36015611
this
>>36013208
If all you eat is bananas, you'll soon suffer from malnutrition. She probably doesn't gain any weight because her muscles are being broken down over time due to little to no protein intake, and what protein there is in bananas is far from complete. Also I think she's a lying piece of crap and eats all sorts of other things when nobody is looking, is obviously a gigantic attention whore, and is to be disregarded.
>>36014243
Right, the full formula is 'Calories in - calories out, ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT BEING COMPLETELY RETARDED.' The last bit is implied you see. Nobody expects you to drink a litre of petrol and absorb all the energy.
>>36013208
>current year
>still using 4chan
>>36016385
>current year
>posting this on 4chan
>>36014995
>2015
> not doing gallon of bananas a day
You need at least 7 bananas to stay anabolic, or say goodbye to your gains brah
Can one really get fat eating that many bananas tho?
wow some australian faggots literally destroyed the thread with this very important sugar discussion
>>36016853
But in 2016, it is alright.
>>36016853
GOBAD
>mfw Americans discussing calories, not knowing the difference between one Kcal and one calorie, as they just brand anything as one calorie, not matter how many 0s there are behind.
>mfw I saw an argument that chewing a gum maked up for eating a full meal because of the calorie burn.
if you like food and science, here's a fun podcast about calories
http://gastropod.com/the-end-of-the-calorie/
Related
http://mosaicscience.com/story/why-calorie-broken
>In 2013, researchers in Jeffrey Gordon’s lab at Washington University tracked down pairs of twins of whom one was obese and one lean. He took gut microbes from each, and inserted them into the intestines of microbe-free mice. Mice that got microbes from an obese twin gained weight; the others remained lean, despite eating the exact same diet. “That was really striking,” said Peter Turnbaugh, who used to work with Gordon and now heads his own lab at the University of California, San Francisco. “It suggested for the first time that these microbes might actually be contributing to the energy that we gain from our diet.”
>>36017508
fwiw, I don't support throwing out calories, but it's still worth being informed about some of the more scientifically based counter arguments.
>>36014761
then explain how the bloodsugar response in fruit with high fiber is lower than the response of table sugar
protip: you cant
>>36017508
>the others remained lean, despite eating the exact same diet
...does that mean the exact same amount of calories?
If all the mice started microbe-free and at the same weight, how could eating the same amount of calories make one group obese?
Impossible. They probably mean the same types of foods but that the microbe-ridden mice ate more of it and they're twisting words.
>tracked down pairs of twins of whom one was obese and one lean
I know this isn't really the point, but one's gut didn't start off wildly different from the other's. The gut properties came to be as a consequence of obesity. Obesity was his fault. Nowhere to shift responsibility.
>>36017508
>>36017592
its interesting but it lacks some info
like how many calories did they eat, what was the macro composition, what was their hormone balance like, etc
Of course calories arent everything, but its a good guideline.
>>36015586
Stay unhealthy, you lazy, blithering idiot. I bet you didn't even pay attention to what as being discussed, because your brain dead mind was focused on whether that constituted as a true tl;dr or not. FUCK OFF.
>>36017592
>...does that mean the exact same amount of calories?
Obviously. These factors are ALWAYS controlled in animal studies. They are almost always fed an standard chow diet. http://www.labdiet.com/cs/groups/lolweb/@labdiet/documents/web_content/mdrf/mdi4/~edisp/ducm04_028021.pdf
>If all the mice started microbe-free and at the same weight, how could eating the same amount of calories make one group obese?
What?
>>36017592
>I know this isn't really the point, but one's gut didn't start off wildly different from the other's. The gut properties came to be as a consequence of obesity. Obesity was his fault. Nowhere to shift responsibility.
Jesus... listen. By inserting the obese's gut microbe into a lean mice, that subsequently became obese because of that, they did exactly that, they solved the cause or effect relationship.
>>36017611
How can you say that if you didn't even follow up on the research? I'm reading it and it contains everything. Idiots.
>Illegal fat burners
I knew she was a cheater
>>36014995
I bet she's a whore
>>36017761
>Obviously. These factors are ALWAYS controlled in animal studies. They are almost always fed an standard chow diet.
The mice in the study were fed ad libitum. Food intake was not controlled. Gut microbes could have influenced their behavior and satiety, so one grouped ended eating more. I could not find it discussed anywhere in the paper.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256452638_Gut_Microbiota_from_Twins_Discordant_for_Obesity_Modulate_Metabolism_in_Mice
I'm sure it has been said, but if this is about Freelee (or however her name is spelled), she is an athlete. She burns a lot of calories doing a sizable amount of cardio. Her TDEE is very high. Eating bananas isn't going to make her fat.
>>36017508
>http://mosaicscience.com/story/why-calorie-broken
tl;dr: Calorie is actually not broken. They consider the tool broken because despite obese people knowing about calories-in calories-out effect, they can not follow a low calorie diet. They consistently underestimate how much calories they consume. In other words, fatties gonna be fatties.
>>36014300
My ex said this shit to me once and i was blown away.
Id been fucking plenty of girls before her, she was one of my two fuxk buddies that year as well. Cant believe some girls are so stupid
>>36013393
will?
Thermic effect
Not all calories are exactly the same, but close enough in general.
>>36014061
We were taught it in chemistry.
>>36014553
This.
>>36014734
>tfwnoblackweebgf
brb jumping off bridge
>>36014778
Dude just go back to watching Oprah and knitting the fuck you doing here with that old as grandma logic.>>36014798
>>36014300
Perhaps one day people will actually analyze their potential mates character as well as their physical attractiveness. Sluts like this aren't worth anyone but chads time. Even Chad knows to drop her the second hes done covering her tits.
There are good ones out there guys. Just be patient and don't fucking cling to.girls you know aren't good for you.
>>36015586
That's a short tl;dr for the video.
The issue with internet kids like you is that you want everything spoonfed, quick and easy to understand.
Pro-tip: Life doesn't work like that and you can't tl;dr everything.
