The cheating frauds general for the discussion of steroid stuff generally
Old thread >>36003413
>too lazy to make a new edition edition
Steroids are for people of all heights and sexualities.
>>36013094
post from last thread pls respond >>36013057
I have an excess of test (sustanon) and limited tren (tren E). I want to up my dosage of test to 1g a week but at I'm only running 200mg tren E a week due to my limited supply. I've done 1g of test/wk in the past plenty of times, but never with tren, and i'm trying to wrap my head around the tren/test relationship. some places i check online say always run tren higher than test, yet i don't have that luxury. What do you fellow frauds think?
>roids
Enjoy your gains and increased confidence, LOL
>>36013118
Steroids are for height changing gender fluid druids
Took my first shot of trt last week at 200mg. It's fucking gay having a couple high days and everything going downhill.
I'm thinking of modifying it to using test E instead and doing 150mg e3d... Can anyone give me pros and cons of doing this? Not as high a high of 200mg cyp but def not lows either.
Also running hcg and no AI
>>36013123
It depends
Some can run high tren low test some can't, some can run high test low tren some can't.
Try it and see if you can do what you want to do.
>>36013135
Damn they are pretty grills
>>36013168
so there's no definitive method that's better?
if i wasn't clear, it's a bulking cycle. i'm leaning towards high test.
>>36013186
>>>36013094 (OP)post from last thread pls respond >>36013057 →I have an excess of test (sustanon) and limited tren (tren E). I want to up my dosage of test to 1g a week but at I'm only running 200mg tren E a week due to my limited supply. I've done 1g of test/wk in the past plenty of times, but never with tren, and i'm trying to wrap my head around the tren/test relationship. some places i check online say always run tren higher than test, yet i don't have that luxury. What do you fellow frauds think?
Yeah well... it all depends on you. I've seen guys bulk on nothing more than 500 test and 50 tren, and vice versa.
>>36013186
It depends how you react to it. The is no universal "this is the exact dose to always do"
Personally high tren low test is what I prefer but people like the other way too
I think here most people do high tren low test but I am not 100% on that
A former teammate and well known crossfit/weightlifting girl got popped recently for tren and blamed it on my coach sneaking it into her drink. She now claims she got it from sucking her boyfriend's dick, who conveniently retired when they came to test him.
I know this isnt at all possible or likely, but i wanted to share the absurdity.
>>36013219
>got it from sucking her boyfriends dick
Well fug, my gf gonna get a clit dick and start lifting heavy weights soon kek
>>36012924
here's a hint: it depends entirely on the etiology
>>36012977
sat around feeling like shit, doing absolutely nothing, and procrastinating like a motherfucker instead of doing hw or working on faq
twice in six months I've woken up out of nowhere with some flu or cold shit hitting me like a truck, then poof disappears after 2-3 days, just long enough to fuck up my weekends
>>36013219
that's amazing
also lol why the fuck would she use tren, jesus christ there's so much better shit for women
Just bought 100 caps of DNP. I'm going to run it at 500mg/day until I'm skinny enough to start 500mg test e/week
>>36013219
>from sucking her boyfriends dick
So your saying I don't have to buy my own gear if I suck off all the big guys at the gym
>free gains for me loosers
>>36013123
Here's how I view the test/tren ratio:
Test can shut you down, but tren will definitely shut you down 100%.
Test is used to keep bodily functions going like normal.
Tren is not test. Tren is a specific version of test, a 19-nor derived steroid, in the 19-nor testosterone (nandrolone) family.
Tren doesn't have every function that regular testosterone has.
For instance, it can't aromatize, which you would think is a good think, but normal testosterone has this function for a reason.
When doing a test+tren cycle/blast you want your musclegains from Tren, because it's more effective at building muscle, and you want testosterone to provide normal bodily functions.
Test is not only for musclebuilding, it is a complex hormone with loads of properties.
So why not high test? Because more side-effects to gains ratio.
If you just look at the anabolic/androgenic rating of tren, it's 5 times as powerful as test.
1g of test = 200mg of tren
which would give you more side-effects?
the test ofc, and not more gains, in fact, more side-effects could mean less gains
>>36013267
The problem is i'm on a 15 week cycle and I had it planned that my tren would run out by week 10, on 200mg/week. If I up the dose to 400mg/week, and then once it runs out early, up the test to 1g a week, would that be gud?
>>36013151
Test e and cyp can be used at the same time.
Haven't told us much.. What are your injection days?
happy valentines day fraud
>>36013295
its tren e right?
then thats stupid
too short
>>36013295
Sure, you can do that if you can handle high test.
Personally, I'd rather do 200mg tren for 10 weeks than 400mg tren for 5 weeks.
>>36013341
800 tren for 30 weeks.
>>36013337
yea ur right
high test low tren it is
bacne bank here i come
>>36013267
here's a piece of info
anabolic:androgenic ratios are about as useful to us as a bicycle is to a fish
they barely mean anything in specific contexts and outside of that they're almost entirely useless, the methodology used to derive those ratios is retarded if your goals are to extrapolate that to therapeutic effects on humans
>>36013295
why don't you just do 2g Tren in 1 week?
>imagine the gains
>>36013315
Doc wants me to do 200mg e10d and hcg eod. But I'm like fuck that. Right now doing 200mg e7d, but I hate having it peak out after a couple days.
>>36013371
sounds amazing i'm going to prep a needle right now
retard
>>36013374
Do 150 e5d?
E4d/e5d shouldn't be too bad.
>>36013371
I might. Don't tempt me.
>>36013363
Primo's rating is a good example. As is tren's.
>>36013363
a bicycle on the ocean floor can be a home for a fish, it can protect its offspring
I'm starting a cycle soon of Mod GRF (1-29) and Ipamorelin.
Anybody here used these before?
How did it go?
>>36013614
I gave it to my dog and it got cancer :-/
>>36013363
That pic good googly moogly
>>36013681
ikr
thank god for reddit sometimes
>>36013694
She has an unfortunately ugly face imo
>>36013673
Well that was pretty stupid of you, wasn't it.
>>36013694
The best from reddit
>>36013772
Wrong pic
>>36013779
>>36013772
>nose ring
ruined
>>36013130
Fucking kek
>>36013789
Rooiened
>just ate like 9000 calories over 2 days instead of my 3500 or so daily maintenance
>ate 2 jars of peanut butter(mostly the culprit)
I feel really bad, but if it's any consolation the carbs were low and I'm gonna take extra dosages of AI and diuretics to make myself feel better.
>>36014105
Diuretics don't stop you getting fat idiot
They make you piss our water
>>36014136
Guess where all that water retention goes you stupid shit.
I certainly don't get super inflated muscles with that water weight.
>implying I was complaining about getting fat off a not so large surplus while on heavy gear and not the bloatiness/water retention
common fucking sense, you on your first 250 test e a week cycle or something?
I asked this question in the /fraud/ thread a few days ago but I only got one response, so I figure I'd ask once more to get at least one other answer before I decide what to do.
If all you do is inject testosterone, is it necessary to run PCT?
>>36014182
>pct
>stopping
>ever
why are you even here?
>>36014105
This is why you never cut without an eca stack
>>36014162
>I certainly don't get super inflated muscles with that water weight
You need to try anadrol then
>>36014207
why?
>>36014182
Yes fucking idiot
>>36014211
I don't mind dnp and taking grams of gear, but that shit's out of line.
>>36014221
To blunt your hunger
Were you dropped on your head as an infant?
>>36014221
Hunger is your worst enemy.
Eca stack works like cocaine when it comes to hunger killing:
Take eca pill, fast all day and put a fresh pizza infront of you, you won't even fucking touch it.
>>36014182
It would depend how much you took and for how long but as a rule, yes absolutely.
>>36014240
Tren works grear at blunting my hunger. It's not like phentermine but it's meh.
>>36014258
Tren makes me even wanna eat my emptied plate
>>36014240
>Eca stack works like cocaine when it comes to hunger killing
Last time I did cocaine, $50 worth of Chinese delivery lasted literally about 45 seconds after the driver handed it to me.
>>36014182
It's not necessary but you will feel like shit for a long time without it
Where the Fuck do you even get ephedrine in the states now a day?
Why is regular MGF preferred to PEG-MGF to some people and vice versa?
Annoying too as in where I look it's split 50/50 in favor of each.
Also, the dosage of MGF is always immediately after working out into targeted muscles, but with PEG it's all over the place. Sometimes straight after, sometimes on days off.
>>36014418
people thought mgf had a biological half life life measured in (iirc) minutes
pegylation increases biological half life at the cost of being a fucking massive molecule and decreasing the concentration of mgf by orders of magnitude
people found out hey mgf has more prolonged and also systemic effects, whoops pegylation is already fucking retarded but now it's super turbo retarded
Which is better for my first test e cycle? 250mg a pin
20 pins over about 12 weeks every 4 days
or 20 pins over 10 weeks twice a week
>>36014464
holy shit that is one of the most retarded ways you could possibly have posed that question
also buy another vial of test jesus christ
Eta 48 hour post delt injection. I do things clean, go through 4-5 swabs, 2 needles and a barrel per shot
No persistent pain, just a hardness when flexed, no heat/redness/size
Is it
1.Air
2.BA
3.??
>>36014464
2 pins a week for 15 weeks which is 3 vials of test
>>36014456
Molecule size huh?
Yeah that makes sense.
I knew I was reading stupid shit when somebody claimed that because it lasts so much longer, it's as much more potent.
So is what you're saying that it's like MGF, just not as potent? What was their idea behind you can inject it on non training days?
Both of those aside, I have heard (and continue to read and hear) great things about IGF1lr3, though it's a shitload more expensive.
It also lasts a lot longer like MGF but the only bad talk I've heard about it is regarding it's price, not efficacy.
>>36014464
I'm starting to wonder if 500mg is way overkill for a first cycle. My friend on 200mg looks like he's gaining a pound every time I see him. + no side effects.
>>36014569
200mg puts you within the physiological range for testosterone. Physiological levels of hormones do nothing. There is no difference between say 500 ng/dl and 1200 ng/dl in terms of gains. This is well studied. The same goes for physiological levels of gh and insulin.
>>36014512
>4-5 swabs
Holy shit how long does it take you to pin, 3 hours? Swab your stopper with 1 swab, draw with a 20g needle then swab your skin and pin with 23-25g needle
It takes 2 minutes
How the fuck to think a vials gonna get contaminated in that time?
>>36014569
Hows his fat gain? How many years lifting?
>find local qt on Facebook
>trying to bribe her into a date with an adult coloring book
Jesus christ, I'm a smooth cat.
>>36014738
Better yet, swab vial then use same swab on the injection site. Draw while the alcohol is working and pin right away. Maximum sanitation and a $2 box can last you a year
Doing fitness apparel line for a cause, donating proceeds to pitbull shelters and other rescue shelters around the country, anyone interested in helping a cause? Imy hoping to purchase ads on fit also. But I believe /roid probably has a lot of people look up to them at the gym, so you guys are the best to help steam head a cause.
ay frauds, this thread used to be great for advice, so sorry if I'm polluting with my helpme shit here.
Trying to keep a huge story short.
-Age 25
-Fairly smart guy, on my way to med school, blah blah self-aggrandizing bullshit.
-Have anonymously posted and lurked in this thread for ~1.5 years now, and have been lifting and researching sterons, programming, and nutrition for just as long or longer.
-Didn't start lifting at all until age 24, at which point I was 5'10.5" and 136 pounds. Between 24 and 25, I gained around 14 pounsd of LBM, but I have not lifted consistently for more than six months at a time due to extenuating circumstances (not lack of dedication). For what it's worth, when I am active, it is something that I look forward to every day and plan to continue for the rest of my life.
-Cursed with pectus excavatum. A bad case, the kind that makes me look like I got Falcon Punched in the chest. Caused me loads of BDD since my early teens. Scheduled for a repair this summer. Because I will lose the majority of my muscle mass in recovery, I have given up lifting for now.
-MY QUESTION: How does this sound as a post-recovery blast plan?
-Recover to my current lifting stats natty.
-600 mg test enanthate weeks 1-22.
-400 mg deca weeks 4-18
-20 mg superdrol weeks 1-4
-PCT
Thoughts?
I've yet to do roids but I have extensive experience with more drugs (and their withdrawal effects) than most could even name.
I just feel like my time is running out. I don't want to get HYOOOOGE, but I look like fucking shit right now, have looked like shit my whole life, and would prefer to spend the latter half of my 20s with the body that I want -- and steroids are the obvious shortcut to a physique and lifestyle that I intend to maintain (eventually natty) for as long as I can.
I am committed to roiding regardless, but my question to you all is if you think I might be jumping into the deep end here.
Sorry if this is long and confusing, kinda drunk
>>36015083
>-400 mg deca weeks 4-18
This should be weeks 4-20 but whatever
>>36015083
Don't use deca if you're cycling
>>36015032
we stopped getting bullied when we started roiding.
>>36015083
i don't really like it. i mean you can do it, and what i don't like about it isn't really anything problematic.
I don't see a purpose in going over 12 weeks on a high test dose, but you also sound a bit impatient.
i would load up on test, do 600mg for 10-12 weeks and then drop it to a TRT dose for a few weeks then either blast tren or durabolin (npp or deca whichever you prefer).
no comment on the orals, i only bother with dbol but i guess that's preference.
>>36015129
Referring to PitBulls, not getting bullied.
>>36015032
>donating proceeds
Just stop lying you cunt
>>36015032
Spam your shit somewhere else.
>>36015083
>First time roiding
>Superdrol
You're going to have one wild ride buddy.
>>36015083
imo just stick with test and sdrol, you have a lot to learn about your body's response to AAS. Youll learn to manage sides by controlling estro, dht, liver protection, etc.
Only reason I wouldn't run deca is because it shuts you down hard and blows you up, and you said that you intend to maintain the physique natty. Recovering your test levels after deca might take longer than after just test, which might mean more gains lost.
If you intend to do such a long cycle, look into HCG and how it works with 19-nors because I personally have no idea. All I know is that your PCT will go smoothly with minimal muscle loss if you use a little hcg throughout the blast.
Imo I would just do
20mg sdrol week 1-4
500mg test E week 1-12
50mg prop ED week 1-2
>>36015032
contact @_nicole_lim on IG she has two pitbulls and has a decent amount of followers
>>36014935
what if the vial is unsanitary? wouldn't swabbing an unsanitary vial and then using it on the injection site increase the chance of infection?
>>36015032
Send me some free shirts and I'll promote you
My routine is as follows
Wedgies 10x1
Purple nurple 10x2
>>36015083
There isn't a single person here that's started roids at roughly the same time they started lifting and actually stuck with the lifestyle. You start your lifting career with roids and you're almost certain to never develop the proficiency with lifting and diet that would be needed to achieve a decent body, even with roids.
Crutch on roids to begin with and you'll never stop crutching on them.
>>36015170
Thanks
>>36015174
If you're really interested in helping shelters around you I'd love to talk to you. Hmu. Of course we will send you free gear also.
>>36015111
Because of bloat?
>>36015152
I know. I work 28-32 hours a week and have a full college course load, so the sides have me leery. More nervous about the sdrol than anything. I figure I can drop it if it gets to be too harsh, though.
>>36014935
This is actually what I do, i just assumed most people would rather go through 2 swabs then reuse one
They're soaked completely in alcohol so I'm sure it's fine
>>36015195
sdrol will apparently make you feel fatigued and have less appetite. Its extremely liver toxic. Stick with Dbol or something if you're too scared. Coupled with full time student and work I doubt youll even eat enough during your blast.
>>36015177
I know you won't believe me (and I know you've heard a thousand retards say this) but I'm ready. Even fortunate enough to have a few real-life friends who have denied the stereotype of starting too soon. Trust me, my lifelong BDD isn't gonna preclude me from seeing this through and doing it proper. I'm no yolodrol
>>36015189
Quite tempting but it wouldn't allow me to stay relatively anonymous. /fit/ tends to attract some really disgusting human beings who have no problems fucking with people's lives.
>>36015195
Because it takes the longest to recover from. Over 12 months. I doubt you want to wait over a yesr to be 100%
>>36015195
Just wait until your next cycle to go on sdrol.
It's side effects are second to none and it's not a beginners drug.
The only thing worse I can think for a beginner is Methyltren
>>36015195
You may want to look into gh peptides also, a compound like mk677 can be very beneficial for healing.
>>36015177
this is a bunch of bullshit, i started roids about 6 months into my lifting that was 3 years ago, i now squat more than you DL you weak fuck
just because you can't doesn't mean everyone else cant
> to never develop
steroids aren't magic pill i doubt anyone here would take amounts where you can actually ignore proper diet and lifting and still make gains after the beginner stage
if you don't learn how to then you're just as bad as those people going to the gym without changing anything natty, even worse you wouldn't have made any gains at all! at least if you roided up you would have made some
>>36015209
Liver sides can be effectively mitigated with TUDCA, especially at such a moderate dose. It's the lethargy, insomnia, and headaches that worry me.
As for dbol, fuck those estro side effects. And coupling dbol with deca sounds like the recipe for a bloatmonster
>>36015213
>Because it takes the longest to recover from. Over 12 months. I doubt you want to wait over a yesr to be 100%
Recover in what sense? Not being cheeky, just genuinely curious. Haven't heard this before.
>>36015217
>>36015209
Balonie. Sdrol was my first oral.
I'm talking real sdrol. The stuff where 20mg was a high dose and 30mg was batshit insane..
You learn from compounds. You'll need to learn from them eventually. When you learn doesn't really matter.
>>36015211
>yolodrol
i haven't been here in forever what happened to him? aids?
>>36015237
Nandrolone metabolites last the longest in the body meaning your natty test is supressed for a long ass time.
>>36015224
6 months isn't the same as starting literally around the same time you first step into a gym.
Not that your blowhard ass is denying many stereotypes about how stupid early roiders are.
>>36015239
I got my sdrol from chem, who put the raws in suspension at 20mg/ml
He had legit var and he assures me that its all real. So hopefully I got real shit. Also are there any hair side effects from sdrol? I'm probably gonna start at 10mg to be safe and work around that.
>>36015249
OP said he has lifted regularly for up to(?) 6 months on more than one occasion. plenty of time to learn proper form, routine, and diet unless you're fuckin retarded
>>36015239
Just saying that Sdrol is one fucked up way to be introduced into steroids.
>>36015083
>when I am active
are you a fucking bear that needs hibernation
you don't need dedication to go to the gym if it becomes a habit, make it a habit first where even if you work 169 hrs a week you can still go then start roids dumfuk
>>36015263
last I heard, chem's test had mold in it and his friends were pushing him off balconies. he turn his shit around or what?
>>36015241
same. I just know he was notorious for blasting for a year and making little more gains than what a natty would have. he was a nice guy though
>>36015229
Some of those are liver sides my man
Also I have spoken to a professional fitness model about his blase (I guarantee you know who he is)
He was in the middle of a test/deca/dbol blast, You wont become a bloatmonster if you have good diet (dont overload on sodium) and are lean.
>>36015282
That wasnt mold, it was a piece of filter. I can't speak of his current situation but my stuff is crystal clear and just fine.
Also Coach, do you do contest preps? I'd like to inquire pls
>>36015278
>when I am active
>are you a fucking bear that needs hibernation
As in actively lifting, as in physically capable of doing so, as in not being prevented by having to prioritize certain real-life obligations (bedside hospice care of dying parents, sedentary recovery from invasive surgery, business trips) over the gym, none of which will be a factor during my blast. I didn't just mean a simple 40-hour work week. DIck.
>>36015290
>Some of those are liver sides my man
Thought it was more related to the increased glycogen retention
Anyway, thanks for the input, guys. Glad to see this thread is still kicking.
>>36015263
If this is the same sdrol he ran at 40mg then I'm guessing it's a clone or slightly underdosed.
Don't get me wrong this isn't me bashing him as a brewer. I think the sdrol raws suck atm. I'm chasing a dragon that just doesn't seem to exist anymore.
Honestly just run 10mg until you're tired and can't eat. I wouldn't even count weeks just feel out lethargy. Once you feel those sides stop sdrol.
Sdrol sides are odd. Sometimes a little prolactin. Nothing too bad. Great for gains. Incredible look. I can't emphasize this enough. You'll look like a god. Muscles will have pop and vascularity like never before.
>>36015271
Not really.
>>36015302
I do not. Prep work requires too much time. I do know someone who does help fellas with prep. He's easily one of the best I know. Drop your email and I'll give you a name.
> anti-Semite conservative gf wants to have sex all the time
> keeps sucking my dick
> while driving
> wants to do it in public
> likes getting slapped, squeezed, and bitten
> likes everything, enthusiastically
> practiced fucking against a wall today
> doesn't even want to go on dates anymore, just fuck
She's actually not a ho, I'm her first, verified. It's like, better than anything I ever imagined, better than the movies, and I just feel... mellow.
>>36015083
> have been [...] researching programming and nutrition for [1.5 years]
> gained 14 lbs LBM [when I should have gained 40]
> not taking anavar to prevent muscle loss during recovery
Stop doing accessories. Forget everything. Check hormones. Heavy compound movements. Short rest times. More than 8; increase the weight. Less than 5; do another set. Also...
> 2 g Test-E
> finasteride
> taladafil
>>36015278
must be nice to have no responsibilities beyond work and gym. I acknowledge that a lifestyle of roiding requires a certain amount of commitment, but the best laid plans blah blah blah,
>>36015308
>none of which will be a factor during my blast.
>bedside hospice care of dying parents, sedentary recovery from invasive surgery, business trips
yeah those things magically stop happening once you start your blast
>>36015308
>recreational drug user making excuses for not being able to do something
We all know it's really the drugs, breh.
>>36015327
>I'm chasing a dragon that just doesn't seem to exist anymore
Coach pls, the pokemon master's had that fire Sdrol for over a year now, m8.
My first run with this shot 20mg ED, within a week my liver was fucking dead.
>>36015349
Fuck it I might as well try his sdrol maybe tren suspension too.
>>36015330
>have been [...] researching programming and nutrition for [1.5 years]
>gained 14 lbs LBM [when I should have gained 40]
You missed the parts where I a) have actually lifted for less than 1.5 years total in total and b) had a gap of basically sedentary activity in between my two periods of dedicated training
Exact timeline: after reading for months, lifted 9/14 - 3/14. 3/14 - 6/14 I was totally active. 6/14 - 12/15 I was active. 12/15 - present I have been inactive. Researched programming, diet, and roids throughout this entire period.
Periods of inactivity were not due to laziness or whatever. See reasons above.
I'm out. Sleep time. Stay swole
>>36015332
you can have fun once you have the habit of going to the gym no matter how tired you feel because you had school today :(( like this guy is
you're just using some drugs you probably won't be competing you don't have to be autistic about it
>>36015337
>parents are now dead
>blast will be after final surgery recovery
>quit my old shitty office job to work from home and return to school.
God fucking DAMN you people pick at everything.
Sleep time for real. Love you all, except the quibbling faggots like this guy.
>>36015369
>9/14 - 3/14. 3/14 - 6/14 I was totally active. 6/14 - 12/15
Fucking goddamnit. This should be
>9/14 - 3/15. 3/15 - 6/15 I was totally active. 6/15 - 12/15 I was active. 12/15 - present I have been inactive.
>>36015385
> but I have not lifted consistently for more than six months at a time
>due to (excuses)
>I have given up lifting for now.
>it is something that I look forward to every day and plan to continue for the rest of my life.
>not lack of dedication
>I have given up lifting for now.
do you see what i mean idiot?
>>36015399
bro how old are you? really. life happens. this shit happens. i doubt many of us have had to juggle that many extreme circumstances at once, and personally i'd probably cycle off or cut to a TRT dose if I had all that shit going on, but you can't let the possibility of stuff like this get in the way of your plans. in a vacuum, sure, we can all plan our cycles and blasts perfectly, but shit happens and we work around it. if this guy is as serious as he says he is, let him try.
and speaking as someone who also grew up scrawny, and has also suffered from BDD due to a physical defect which required surgical intervention, that kind of shit motivates you like nothing else. maybe my sympathy is getting the best of me but I'm a believer.
i say go for it bruh. i'd be 50/50 on the deca but i agree that you can drop the oral if you find it to be too harsh
>>36015435
i don't care what he does i'm just pointing out what a hypocrite this guy is
he's saying he enjoys lifting but he's not doing it right now because all the gains(almost none in a few months natty)he'll be having in the few months leading up to the surgery will be gone after the surgery
you look forward to something you do it no matter what, he said he doesnt have a problem with dedication then why would you stop lifting if actually look forward to it
sounds like something a nyr would say
>>36015506
uh but he's right. have you seen the hormone panels on opiate users? have you heard of opiate-induced hypogonadism?
take that YER DEDICATED OR YER NOT shit and shove it up your fucking ass. at least he argues from a place of logic. if you were capable of the same, you would suggest that he continue working out as any gains lost will be regained that much faster after his recovery.
>you look forward to something you do it no matter what, he said he doesnt have a problem with dedication then why would you stop lifting if actually look forward to it
lmao. you simple-minded retard. there really is such a thing as not having enough time in the day. i can tell you have not pursued a difficult degree with any seriousness. this guy said he's pre-med and works almost full-time. i as an engineering major, even without work, had to significantly cut back on my gym time during my heaviest semesters. in some cases, it really is as simple as being forced to choose between your career or your body.
keep fuckin that chicken tho
>>36015573
>opiate-induced hypogonadism
opioid* but yeah. this is the reason dope fiends and IV morphine patients wither away to nothing
>>36015573
>you would suggest that he continue working out
that's basically what i'm saying, why would he stop lifting right now like he said he did because he thinks all gains would be lost after surgery
you sure you're not wasting money going to school when your brain don't work too well?
>>36015393
breh you are drunker than you thought
> 3/15 - 6/15 I was totally active.
just by what you said, i think you meant that you were totally inactive. would make a lot more sense anyway i got chu tho
Progress so far
6'2 at 218-220 lbs atm
I think my chest is finally starting to fill in, shits been pissing me off to no end senpai.
>>36015594
Opioid-induced hypogonadism coupled with months of sedentary recovery will unequivocally lead to significant atrophy. This is an undeniable truth that has been demonstrated both scientifically and anecdotally.
"Muscle memory" on the other hand still lies within the fringe of bro science. My personal experience contradicts it as truth but others's results after hiatuses do indeed seem to lend it some creedence.
Maybe the pectus guy doesn't know about muscle memory, or maybe he doesn't know about it. Who knows. Doesn't change the fact that you didn't even mention it until someone else first pointed it out to you as a point of argument. You seem like a moron and a dick.
This thread has gone to such complete fucking shit over the past couple years.
To Pectusbruh:
If you are set on doing such a long blast, might as well work the deca in a bit later. See how you react to the test first. I wouldn't fuck with sdrol on my first go around but obviously others disagree. Use your own discretion. Good luck.
>>36015629
>Maybe the pectus guy doesn't know about muscle memory, or maybe he doesn't know about it
Meant to say "or maybe he doesn't believe in it"
Count me as one of the drunks
My only fear is being fucked by the law on gear. Any anons in USA ever been busted w/ gear before? What happened?
>tfw miss being in UAE when all I had to do was go to a Pharmacy.
>>36015640
Gears legal in the UAE?
Funny considering their views on other drugs.
Whats their range like out of curiosity? Just test?
>>36015660
fun fact: roids were legal in the United States up until 1990
>>36013094
>"the enhanced people"
>fucking circus sideshow freaks
>universally considered paraiahs
>have to inject horse jizz just to make the gains normal people can make without that crap
You'll never be accepted by society, you'll always be paraiahs.
You'll always know that women don't love you for who you are inside, they love the needle you stick in your ass.
You stop taking the needle, it ALL GOES AWAY and you're back to being what you always were to start with: a foreveralone loser.
You will NEVER be legit, ever.
By all means, though, keep deluding yourselves. Society needs examples of what not to be.
>>36015624
Gear really helps the chest fill in. I was the same way. The moment I hopped on chest development took off.
>>36015660
rly just test. Not much else. But you don't get fucked for AAS like you do in the USA/Can/NZ/AUS
>>36015676
Thanks soccer moms.
>>36015695
Thank Ben Johnson for that.
>>36015624
>tfw banana-shaped biceps
>>36015706
Lel I've never heard that one before
>>36015177
Just go to /r/steroids and lurk enough and you'll see a bunch of retards who have no clue of lifting or diet and have done tren/test etc. and still look like they have never touched the weights.
Then there's people who aren't stupid as fuck who could hop on roids the day they first go to the gym and make nutty gains cause diet and lifting isn't that hard.
>>36013094
Alright /fraud/ its finally time to go back to school. What should I major in bros? My only interests are roiding, lifting and vidya, and I still wanna make mad $$. What do you guys think?
>>36015831
Medical field
>>36015831
Sports medicine
Physical therapy
Biomed if you like math
Chem eng if you're interested in the intricacies of compounds
>>36015831
What subjects did you find easiest at school and what subjects at school interested you the most?
>>36015953
Easiest probably chemistry english and history, most interesting chemistry and calculus.
>>36015953
School is a poor marker for where you'll end up in life
>>36015972
>>36015967
See that's where I'm at. I liked chem and calculus a lot in high school but I couldn't see myself doing either of those things full time for the rest of my life without offing myself.
>>36015241
If I was to guess I would say something to do with
>jail b8 preggo chick fucked his life up with jail or some shit like that
>He OD'd on some gear or drugs
>He got shot for being white in SA
>life happened and he went on a holiday / started work / went to school
When do you start feeling dbol kick in? Im at about 1.5weeks and nothing yet. Is superdrol a better choice?
>>36015967
Then any of these you think you might like should be fine and you should do well if you apply yourself >>36015909 >>36015881
>>36015972
>your preference for certain fields at school doesn't carry over to the rest of your life
I'll give you that you haven't tried everything so you don't know if you will like something else more, but if you enjoy a subject odds are you should work in that field because its likely you won't find study as much of a drag and you will enjoy the end product job more
CALLING CAMB
PLEASE RESPOND
>>36015996
You can feel the first dbol you eat, Atleast I did, insane pumps.
>>36015996
1st or 2nd dose
How much are you taking?
>>36016060
30mg/d first 2 weeks, 40mg second 2 weeks
>>36016066
You should be feeling it
When do you take it? I found around an hour or 2 before workout was best
>>36016076
Split dosage 3x10mg
Should i try dump all 3 1hr preworkout instead?
>>36016008
I enjoyed chemistry and science in school but I'm not productive nor good enough at essays to work in either of those fields
Sometimes you change, sometimes you make certain decisions to benefot your quality of life but its not always as simple as do what you want to do
>>36016086
Just take 20mg PWO and 10mg before bed to help your muscles repair
Where can i easily order /fraud/ ?
I live in the netherlands
>>36016240
Go up to the biggest guy at the gym and ask for some magic muscle milk
>>36016240
Steroid source talk reddit or big guy at the gym
Not sure how your countries customs is but you will probably be ok
>>36016240
Is it the netherlands where if you're even under suspicion of roids they test you then arrest you? Maybe it was denmark...
>>36016273
Nah thats sweden.
Any drugs in the netherlands is "legal" if for personal usage
>>36016319
Then you'll be fine, just order some legally from the UK
Itll be a lot quicker than digging through hundreds of posts dating back two years on SST
>>36013219
hahahaa can you imagine how desperate that bitch must be? "no i didnt take steroids, i sucked some guy who did's dick!!!"
>>36014240
lol you think eca stack is good, try dnp. you'll be so fucking nauseous you would rather die than eat anything
If you were me how would go about front loading?
I'm currently prescribed 150mg test c a week. I'm about to start my second cycle of 500mg a week.
I'm thinking about just doing 1g a week for two weeks then going back down to 500mg a week for the rest of it. I'm also gonna do sdrol for the first 2-3 weeks.
>>36016378
DNP made me ravenous
>>36016490
Front load with test prop
So why exactly does roids cause backne? I never had any pimples on my back but a bunch on my face during puberty but now that I started my test-e (~580mg/week) I've gotten pretty much nothing on my face but instead some on my back.
"Tren is like that super hot side chick with big ass fake tits and an ass so fat that EVERYONE stares at when you two go out. All the bros give you props and all the hoes flock to you. But the thing is, this bitch is mentally fucked up and pyschotic, which rubs off on you. She convinces you that you're better than others. She convinces you that you don't need anyone else and to not tolerate no body's shit. After like 12 weeks of this bitch, you find out that you're kicking it with her exclusively while your friends and homies begin to phase out. All you care about at this point is her.
But when you kick that bitch to the curb, it's almost like you're free again. You smile more, you socialize with others, you're happy to see your friends again... But damn you miss those fucking massive fake tits and ass and how good she makes you look....
"
Got this from reddit.
But if i use tren for 12 weeks as first cycle. Do you lose all your gains if you quit?
>>36016702
No you fucking idiot
You just won't be vascular, your delts will look like shit and you might get a little more bloat
Your strength will probably drop a little too
Don't use tren as a first cycle, you don't have enough experience to properly make use of it
>>36016702
Tren sides are no joke, don't hop straight on tren right out the gate.
Use deca if you have to, gives decent strength and mass gains while being beginner friendly, you just gotta control estrogen and you'll be fine
All that Sdrol talk made me think twice about using it in my 2 cycle as a kickatart while waiting for test e. 10/20/20
I have TUDCA and NAC but don't have spare liver :/
>>36016735
>>36016746
Ok so for a first cycle you would use?..
Just normal test? Im scared my balls wont go back producing it themselves. Is this an irrational fear?
>>36014393
In most states you can still buy Bronkaid, you have to ask at the pharmacy counter for it, and they take down information from your license or something. This is to make sure you only buy a certain amount per month or something. It's enough to cut on (and breath easy on, thank you Bronkaid for helping clear my congestion).
In some states, even this is impossible. So, for instance, I needed to find a friendly Canadian who will accept moneygrams to fill a box with kaizen packets, label it "baking supplies" or some shit and ship it to me.
>>36016240
netherland has one of the bigger ugls in europe you should google more they probably do a overnight shipping in your country
>>36016920
that was horribly written
>>36016804
Nandrolone
Yes it's an irrational fear, tren shuts down your natural production more than test does due to its highly androgenic nature
Fuckin just got my Syntha Labs Test P. 1 day delivery.
Wheres the best place for an Aussie to buy AI?
>>36017094
darknet bro where i got my stuff
>>36016963
i am sorry, i didnt not major in the 3rd language i learned wich is english to please your stupid ass.
i got my point across
>>36017094
ALPHABEAST, he's on heaps of Darknet marketplaces, legit vendor, great gear with a huge variety, including injectablez, Oralz, all your AI + PCT needs as well
Did my pec today as both my quads where sore and I can't stretch far enough today to do glutes.. Hnngg never again..
Least painful spot to self inject?
>>Inb4 glutes
>>36017331
Ventroglutes, delts
>>36017401
tfw want to try ventro glute but still a scared lil bitch.
no idea where to pinpoint it even though i've tried a few times.
would it be a waste for my first cycle to be while cutting? or does it really not matter
I'm right at the end of a long ass bulk, been bulking for over a year now, really fucking happy with the gains ive made but know im not going to be happy with my size and strength once i diet down
so i suppose i have two options
do a cycle while cutting
or get lean naturally and then go on a bulk cycle
Check https://youtu.be/andy1OOwb2g
Why is there so much wrong info on the web regarding Tren ?
The effects on your body and the sides are quite overhyped.
Iam on 300mg test 400mg tren per week on my second cycle
> stronger, sleeping issues, carb cravings, weird pumps, being somewhat more shy
Don't get me wrong, iam never running a blast without it anymore but people act like you are playing with battery acid
>order from m develop a day before he did maintenance before valentines
>replies to me after paying
>no more update on order status
>Website still down
dunno if this faggot is scamming or not, he's been around for years and I must had 1000 in sales from him
Anybody here roid to sprint faster, jump higher, and lift heavier?
>>36017751
well desu senpai, I'm doing my second blast with tren and this one is incredibly smoother, it's not even comparable.
First tren blast:
800mg test/wk
500 tren/wk
50 mg var ED
Ari 0.25mg EoD
Current blast
pretty much the same as yours
+ari 0.150mg EoD
Things I do differently:
I actually eat (1000 cal above TDEE, and every 2-3 hours) instead of slightly below TDEE
Started prami 0.25mg ED from the beginning of the cycle
Taking 3g taurine/5g potassium ED
So far, my side effects into 4th week:
Sweaty at night, but nothing compared to my first blast during which my bed was soaked
Sometimes wake up at 2am feeling completely ready to get up and start the day
Patience/tolerance has dropped significantly, but nothing I can't handle
Gains are incredible
>>36017331
I like delts esp cause Slin pins atm
There's a vendor on sst selling blue hearts full 500 for 50 dollaros
Says they're March
Is this real life
Ive been doing 75mg tren a and 125 test p EOD (fuck off brick) for 2 weeks
i've not experienced any sides, but Im wondering if it's better to do 100mg tren and 100mg test p
what do you think?
>>36017909
ye sending from turkey, good luck with customs. For my experience, its easier to get shit from chinkland thru customs
>>36018012
Instead of 437,5 test p + 262,5 tren a I would do 350/350 test/tren
this must give better gains no?
Doing kegels while on juice, will it give rock hard erections?
>>36018081
juice alone will do this
>>36018019
Oh fuck that then
Who should I get orals and caber off then
>>36018127
US or EU ?
>>36018137
Murkkka
>>36018150
watsonguy
>>36017853
why wouldn't you? all of those are effects from bigger muscles and better muscle recruitment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzRfUVcXZAQ
Jeff Seid bloated as fuck
I'm thinking he's doing dbol
>>36018282
damn, he trying to be like sadik
>>36018197
How the fuck do I find ppl on there
>>36018282
>dat misleading title and dat 10 years old hardstyle song
>>36018335
and i dont think he looks that good any more
small arms
>paid friday noon
>monday still nothing
>website has been down since 13th, tho he did announce it on twitter and was active 13h ago
>no reply on my payment
>website still down
REEEEEEEEEEEE m develop better not fucking scam me!! hes the only local uk source with aldactone too
>>36018308
OK worked it out
Do I want drol or dbol
Or fucking go left af and get a shitload of var
What happens if I gave a girl like 50 mg of tren suspension?
>>36018584
Once?
>>36018584
She would say "ew, get away from me freak. Stop trying to give me stuff" then she might call the police
>>36018595
YO
*internet hug*
>>36016657
Higher androgen receptor density in the skin of the back than the face
>>36018584
Did you get this brilliant idea off reddit?
For those unaware of what im talking about look the the post about the guys gf on tren
Noob natties make me laugh
>hey man you're pretty cut what do you do
>I bulk responsibly and have an active lifestyle alongside lifting
>man do you have any advice? Ive been on animal cuts for 2 weeks and Im not seeing results
>diet and exercise
If deca takes a year to fully recover from, what about Tren?
>>36018767
a month or two
Test E or C - 3 months metabolites
Tren - 5 months metabolites
Deca - 18 months metabolites
>>36018081
It'll probably make those pelvic floor muscles stronk.
>>36018786
Tren E is the same?
>>36018701
Watch out can't call any natty lifters lazy or stupid otherwise they'll get butthurt and invade fraud.
>>36018595
Yeah just once
>>36018806
Strangely enough I've heard that the both tren a and tren e have the same duration of metabolites.
I don't know if I really believe that, but hey.. The point here is that Tren is not that bad. Deca can be a killer
I know this isn't dnp general but I trust you guys more. I was going to buy from dinitro. One of the other forums I frequent had a link to a website. I just wanted to make sure it's not a scam or feds or some shit. I won't post the actual site, but it's got dinitro in it, and it's .ru
considering going from a tren blast 250/800 test/tren to a heavy "cruise" of 250/200/200 test/tren/mast with a bridge of 4 weeks with 100mg var daily. Thoughts?
Is Nolva okay for use on cycle or should I get a proper AI like Arimidex? I'm looking at bnmsupplements' newbie cycle special and it comes with nolva. Should I just get some arimidex or will nolva be fine?
>>36018904
You need to do more homework broski. Nolva is for pct and emergency only. Get a proper AI.
>>36018973
Nolva can be used on cycle
Useful if you're really gyno prone
>>36018335
can't stand fts anymore, shit's getting played at every single party
>>36018522
Go left fuccboi
>>36018522
your var will be winstrol
get dbol, stop being a faggot.
i don't see why so many of you put so much thought into orals. your oil compounds are what give the biggest results.
there should be more discussion on mast vs npp than sdrol vs var/dbol
u pussies
>>36019479
>your var will be winstrol
is it that hard to get good var in usa?
>>36019498
not at all. i just wouldn't buy it if it wasnt advertised as pharma. even that could be false though, but most approved UGLs are approved for a reason.
Many sources on SST post lab max results for their Var. could they have broken off a pharma tab and dumped it in there and sold you winstrol 5 mins later? Sure but unlikely I think.
Fug just realized I could save 60k by transferring to a german school.
I already know a bit of German and could definitely learn over the summer. This could be the experience of a lifetime bois
>inb4 refugees
>>36019635
doubtful. their reputation can easily be fucked by one thread on SST that calls them out. so they don't want to risk it if they're an approved dealer already.
>>36019479
Truth
And injects are easier on the body
>>36019479
because you can do all the oils but not really all the orals
How many frauders use finasteride or dudasteride?
>>36019890
I use .125 mg eod or so of fin
Imo the people who get sides are the ones that do big doses like 1mg-5mg
Guys how much importance do you give to prostate cancer when going on sterons? Do you think is any way to prevent it?
>>36019773
that doesn't really support the supposed need to hunker down on orals and their significance.
Shit dude i want to run var also because it'd be cool but i'm not gonna treat it like it's going to be the defining compound for my blast.
>>36020010
>i'm not gonna treat it like it's going to be the defining compound for my blast
it is gonna be the defining oral compound for your blast
>>36019962
Prostate enlargement is real on sterons, not that big of a deal if you cycle, but if you're on long term Id personally do saw palmetto or something of the sort.
Any 5a-reductase inhibitor should help protect against prostate cancer if youre really scared because of previous family history or w/e. If you dont have family history I wouldnt worry about it
>>36020020
sure but it's still just an oral.
A blast of tren and mast with var compared to a blast of just tren and mast won't really offer much of a difference.
>>36019962
Perhaps the most controversial area is the issue of risk, especially possible stimulation of prostate cancer by testosterone, even though no evidence to support this risk exists
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2701485/
>>36018260
We'll that's what I'm interested in doing but I'm not sure what program I would follow for that. Obviously I wouldn't be doing a hypertrophy based bro-split but is there something out there that is would be a good program to increase say my 100-400m times, my vertical, and increase compound lifts that would be beneficial to do on a beginner cycle?
>>36020105
There is also no good evidence that testosterone treatment will convert subclinical prostate cancer to clinically detectable prostate cancer,45 although some case reports reported this correlation.274,275 In a retrospective analysis of hypogonadal men who underwent prostate biopsy prior to testosterone replacement therapy, no increase in the risk of prostate cancer in men was revealed compared to those without prostatic intraepithelial neoplasia at baseline
Talking of prostates, when I haven't fapped in a few days and i take a dump semen leaks out my cock
it only started happening after I did my first cycle (which was a 6 week oral only)
could just be a crazy coincidence thats when it started, but i doubt it
from googling it sounds like i (hopefully) just have a benign enlargement of the prostate gland
>>36020161
See a doctor, you don't want to be an anomaly. But yea it'd make sense, a small enlargement of the prostate combing with a poop that presses on it = precum
>>36020247
been dealing with it for ~4 years now, i feel like if there was a real issue i would know by now, or it would have gotten worse
