Examples including Leg Press, Hammer Strength Squats, Hammer Strength Rows, Dumbbell Rows, etc.
Never would i do squats/deadlifts at my gym with full of cutie cardio bunnies , the only guys who do are fat power-lifting team of sort and girls always cringe at them
>>35811031
mm, not safer, but i keep getting tendonitis in my right hipcrease so im just not doing them anymore until i can get a coach to work on mein form
>>35811031
Not me, I'm not a sissy normie.
Nigger, I don't even bench with a spotter.
Fucking "safer" exercise. It's like you cunts think you're going to live forever.
I'm really fucking buttmad right now, got meme'd into the SS bullshit and I just fail to see the point of squatting/deadlifting now.
I just think, much better exercises that can contract, stretch the muscle.
As long as you aren't doing stupid weight neither are inherently dangerous. I do tend to go light weight with high reps to be on the safe side, but I could never do leg day without squats and deadlifts.
>>35811031
Squats and deadlifts do my back a lot of good.
>>35811031
Actually those are the only free weight exercises I do. I only use machines and cables for chest and shoulders. I tore my rotator cuff and dislocated my collarbone.
>>35811105
from wanking too hard?
Everything is "safe" in the gym if you have proper form and actually respect the weights you're handling
When I started lifting, I had no idea they were dangerous. I learned both from watching Youtube. Ive got no reason not to do them now.
What's not safe about a squat? Do them properly in a power rack and you'll be fine.
I hurt my back with squats and I still do them even though they're baby weight.
Deadlifts are hit-or-miss since the gym is tiny and depends on how busy it is. If I deadlift then I'm denying anyone else from using the weights section unless they're squatting in the rack.
>tfw the gym is tiny but they keep buying equipment
No one skips squats and deadlifts because of "safety" reasons.
They skip them because they're lazy, weak, faggots.
>>35811197
What muscles does the squat or deadlift train effectively and can take to failure?
The weakest link in those exercises iS THE FUCKING LOWER BACK.
As a bodybuilder, why are we concerned with the big 3, when we can pick movements that greater contract the muscles of interest?
>>35811031
I skip out on them because I have a bad knee. If it wasn't for that I would be doing them.
>>35811079
You can easliy safely bench without a spoter. Just make sure the plates aren't secured so if you were to get stuck you could just turn left or right and let them slide off.
You can only hurt yourself squatting or deadlifting if you fuck up, ie: too dumb to do the proper form or trying to lift more that you can
Squats and diddlies makes wonders for your body.
>>35811343
This is a fucking stupid way of doing it. Just set the safeties at the right hight.
>>35811031
OP, are you actually asking who of us admits to be a pussy?
Even girls can do it.
>>35811031
I used to but then I noticed my butt was getting bigger so I stopped.
>>35811152
No from wanking my wife's bf too hard
>>35811031
I tore the cartilage in my right knee in a sports injury and I can't do a full squat without pain.
>leg press, extensions, hamstring curls and calf raises pretty much do the trick anyways
>>35811031
>Not doing essential lifts
Confirmed for never gonna make it
But seriously, the only acceptable reason for not doing those is having an injury. Do them.
>>35811343
i also have bad knees, but firstly never didnt deadlift, and secondly started squatting two weeks ago when i learned how to do it properly. i dont go ultra heavy like most people and never do 1RM, i always do 5RM, stick with a2g and overhand to make sure im not setting the bar too high for a blowout.
if your knees are hurting during either exercise youre doing it wrong. if you do it right it wont hurt.
Squat racks are perpetually busy at my uni gym so I can't even do any barbell exercises without waiting half an hour for a spot.
Never used to until I sustained an L5 fracture. Now no DLs ever again :(
>>35811364
You can also lack mobility or have physiological barriers that would affect your form
>>35811376
L O N D O N
>>35811043
lmao wut
>>35811388
>no homo
>>35811031
I really hope there is a dick on the other side of that ass.
>>35811031
Is that a spoon?
/fit/ im just saying stop drinking the cool aid.
Let's be honest.
You're doing deadlifts to build your back. Muscle damage happens to a much more significant degree in the eccentric phase...the eccentric phase is where most deadlift injuries occur...how many lifters do you know doing 4 second eccentrics on deadlifts lmfao.
I'd much rather isolate with pullups, lat pulldowns, and tons of rows in the form of DB, Barbell, Cable, etc
Major compounds are "dangerous" in the way that holding a case of vodka bottles is "dangerous". You only get hurt if you're stupid about your limits, and stupid about trying to impress people.
>itt pussys and shit form
>>35811031
>safer exercises
There is nothing wrong with any of those lifts unless you're a fucking idiot and don't know what you're doing.
>>35811031
i injured my neck grappling seven years ago. i'm looking for a safer alternative to the OHP which inflames my old neck injury several times a year. but squats and deadlifts don't hurt me.
>>35811697
try one armed DB OHP
I have an upper spine injury that prevents me from doing OHP but I can do those with no problem
Deadlift can put a number on people that try to compensate controlled strength with things like rebounding, form imbalance, etc.
I get lower back flare ups now and the when I forget that squats and deadlifts in particular are to be done in a controlled manner. If you have to shoot out from the hole or pull your way up, then you are doing them wrong and setting yourself up for a back blowout.
>>35811031
i used to because i hurt myself doing deadlifts when i first started
but honestly my progress was shit and unbalanced untill i started squatting and deadlifting again
"safer"?
I squat 285kg, bench 182.5kg and deadlift 317.5kg. I'm completely uninjured.
I had back problems BEFORE lifting though....but they are gone.
Me
I lack the hip flexibility to squat correctly, I can't even do a bodyweight squat without either falling backwards on my ass or leaning forward way too far to compensate.
I also fucked up my sciatic nerve in high school doing bent over rows slouched over, it still hurts a bit when I go running or when standing for extended periods of time.
I know I can't deadlift correctly so i don't do it.
I need to start swimming again (which was the only thing that helped heal my back when I injured it) and I need to spend the cash on a trainer who knows what he's doing to look at what I'm doing wrong and work with me on how to do those big compound lifts with correct form and give me flexibilty exercises to do. YouTube and the internet aren't working for me, I need someone qualified in the room with me giving me instructions and putting their hands on my body.
I know my current bro workout is not optimal at all, but at least I'm not destroying my back with form I KNOW is terrible and would prevent me from working out at all by injuring me.
>>35811277
Post body pic, big guy
>>35811366
Not the guy you replied to but I can't do that because I have a normal bench that only has an adjustable rack.
>>35811156
>>35811173
Many people have trouble doing them properly and they know it
I don't know how people teach themselves how to squat with no help, it's a really unnatural movement, at least for me. And I'm not even a fat, unathletic couch potato, I always played sports growing up and did crew in high school,
Trapbar deads and Bulgarian lunges. Plus there's rows as well. I'm a pussy and I know it.
>>35811277
>As a bodybuilder
Do you compete?
>>35811031
I have too. I have hypermobility issues that make stability a problem. Even today I tore up my left shoulderblade during an OHP because the joint dropped abruptly and it was around 65% my 1rm.
>>35811608
>Muscle damage happens to a much more significant degree in the eccentric phase
Bro science. No difference in hypertophy between 1 sec eccentric vs 4 sec.
>>35811043
>be fat
>squat rack near hamster machines
>somebody ALWAYS mires
>every leg day
>qts turn to look when I drop
Why would you go on the internet and tell lies, anon? Why would you do that?
>>35811080
>wants to stretch muscles
>lifts weights
Why don't you go do yoga instead faggot
>taking the b8
It's tasty, anon.
>>35812127
romanian and straight leg? wtf
>>35812154
>advises against deadlifts
>does deadlifts
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>>35812154
Straight leg is more dangerous that regular deadlifts lmao.
>>35811079
I high bar squat because there's literally no danger with good form, but I swapped memelifts with RISks since they're superior in literally every way.
>>35811031
People do this? Squats and diddlys are my 2 favourite lifts senpai
>>35811080
>I got meme'd into the SS bullshit
>>35811031
>Let's be completely fucking honest. How many of you have legitimate excuses not to do deadlifts and squats versus us cowards?
You're a pussy op
>>35811957
>I will literally choose to not learn to deadlift or stretch to squat so instead I will remain a bitch
>>35812332
You know, not that poster, but I'm not sure what constitutes as a "bitch"
Is it just the numbers on those lifts, the size you are, or who can kick who's ass?
Because I'm a former boxer and I fairly confident I could take a good deal of power lifters.
Not trying to be all internet badass here, but your claim seems biased and self interested.
>>35812377
It's not about the lifts specifically, it's about the lengths people will go to to argue and justify not doing them because they're either afraid or too lazy.
Which is weird, why would you not learn the best lifts there are for overall strength if you're serious about lifting? Be it aesthetics or strength
>>35812434
Well I'm >>35812044
So its just to risky. Luckily boxing wasn't hindered by this condition as much
>>35812471
I wouldn't argue against you with that reasoning, but the typical muh knee problem or muh back problem or I heard it was bad or whatever the fuck "I don't want to to go to snap city " goddamn
>>35811031
I love squats and deadlifts.
My joints and tendons hate them though.
Will definitely have to give them up as I get older.
Skipping deadly lifts and super sqwats! Never gonna make it bro. You must change your ways. Do you want to be a low test fav forever?
>>35811031
I hope your tits fall off.
Faggot.
>ITT: Excuses that DYELers use to not do superior excersises.
Never gonna make it brah.
>>35812058
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12756571
http://main.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/923/Ten_Things_You_MUST_Know_About_Eccentric_Training_.aspx
>I know what I'm talking about.
I don't squat or deadlift.
Lifting for about 3 years. Spent countless time working on form. Would watch Youtube videos for hours and make small adjustments. It all didn't matter. Inevitably, I'd go for an extra rep, lose my form and hurt myself. It just wasn't worth it.
Switched over to leg press supersetted with large quantities of body squats. Combined that with endless lunges. Doing weighted hyperextensions supersetted with supermans to get those lower back muscles. There's some other stuff thrown in but that's what I mainly used to replace squats and deads. Never felt better. My body has never looked better.
>inb4 lifting for grills
>>35812685
>literally too retarded to learn a primal movement with weight added to it.
Deadlifts are my favourite lift. Squats were second until very recently, but I went on vacation over winter and stopped lifting for a week. Got back into the swing of things right away except now I simply can't bear to do squats. I'll start going down with lmao1pl8 to warm up and I get this incredible feeling of defeat and dread and have to stop. Good news is that I just hit 5pl8 diddly
>>35811031
We want a killer workout. Not some pussy shit.
>>35811391
>>35811460
Why do you two blame it on bad knees?
Fucking start light weight and work up higher
Ive had a fucked up clavicle and knee for my entire life. You know what i did? I fucking pushed my body too the limit and it strengthened my weak ass parts.
You guys sound like a fat hairy pussy
>Tfw RA in knees so I have to substitute squat for leg press
>Tfw RA in wrists so bench is slacking
>Tfw RA developed at 16
Theres no hope brehs
>>35811043
I don't know man, I've seen a big power lifter dude come in with his small qt girlfriend.
>>35811031
That's a boy's butt right? I'm not actually straight am I?
>>35812003
usually there are 2/3 pins to rack the bar for safety. Lift it as much as possible, pull it towards the rack, rack it, slide under it, you're set. No spotter needed, just the lift of shame when you awkwardly rack it back to the upper pin with the bench between your legs.
I have a sacralization and I squat,not very deep but still deep enough to literally work my ass off.
>>35811031
I can barely squat 1plate and Deadlift 2plate but I still do them. You should too.
>>35812685
you're my kinda guy brah, breh
what's your routines?
>>35812377
Plain and simple: a bitch will back down due to fear and fear alone.
>>35811031
Just use less weight retard
>>35811031
Used to, m8. If you don't have access to a good power rack or a spotter, I'd seriously think about subbing a few lifts. Honestly, I still get a lot of mileage out of the chest press machine. When I was 18, I failed under 2pl8 bench and had the fucker come down on my jaw. It was wired shut on one side for three months. To this day, it scares me to death to go over 1pl8 bench.
>>35812154
Those are, you know, still deadlifts
I think I have a shoulder impginement or cuff tear. Deadlifting causes discomfort. I am really bummed out about it because I don't have the greatest life and lifting is my thing that makes me the happiest.
I dont have insurance but I might just pay out of pocket. What type of specialist do I go see about this? :'(
>>35812621
this is good shit. have any links to other relevant bodybuilding / lifting studies
>>35814976
does it hurt to bench / ohp?
I squat every time I go to the gym, without exception pretty much. The only exception I make is if I deadlift, which is fairly rare because I train the olympic lifts. I hardly do any isolation exercises aside from some very occasional bodybuilding.
>>35811031
>How many of you opt out squat/deadlift for safer exercises
Yeah, safer.
>>35815918
EVERY TIME
IT GETS ME EVERY TIME
>>35811058
You're letting your knees slide forward at the bottom of the squat. Make a video and take it to the ss forum.
>>35811031
Trap bar squats for me.
I'm 43 and really don't want to fk my back up at this time of my life.
I injured my arm and leg on one side (not lifting related) my balance and flexibility is a bit off, so I don't feel comfortable with squats.
Used to love them before fucking myself up, though.
>>35815963
drink your milk faggot
I always round my back on deadlifts, I can do the first rep ok but after that it goes to shit. The only way I can correct it is by fully deloading the weight between reps, if I keep any tension in my body my back rounds.
I still do them of course, once a week, 1x5 work set. Squats I do once a week for 3x5, I don't really have a problem with my back on those but I don't go ATG, I just get my thighs parallel.
>>35811031
>leg press
>safer
>>35811031
I'm thinking of switching out back squats for front squats.
Right now I squat high bar (3.5plates 3RM on the TM), with front squats at least 1/week, and the latter feel awesome and much less of an impact on the lower back, then I'd be more fresh when deadlifting, I'm not satisfied with how my deads are progressing.
>>35816303
I keep good form while going up but when I bring the weights down my back always rounds up
How can I stop this?
>>35816314
>not already doing both back and front squats
Not gonna make it
>>35816303
tfw its idiots like you that round your back then come here & e-stat, setting unrealistic standards for people who "do it right".
>>35816344
It might be an hallucination, but reading what I wrote:
>front squats at least 1/week
They aren't a 'main' exercise, the focus is on back squats, but that's going to change soon.
>>35816352
literally never posted my stats here but ok
>>35816303
There's nothing wrong with resetting between reps brah.
>>35816376
stop oppressing me
>>35811031
The squat and deadlift are not unsafe as long as you know what you're doing, and blahblah you know they're better..
/thread
>>35811043
Faggot.
>>35815918
This is clearly not a legpress but people still fucking think it is.
My knees f a m, my knees
I can't run, squat, or dead without having a massive fuck you pain in my knee for weeks later. I don't know if it's just the cold or what but I don't wanna end up in a goddamn wheelchair.
I'm sorry Mr. Rippitoe, i've failed you.
>>35816303
You're supposed to set down the weights in between reps. It's a deadlift, not a squat.
Hey. I have a question for you. Im one of those guys who does running and lifting (because I just want to be able to run long distances easily no other reasons) and lifting to maintain strenght and of course to look ripped. So I'm not doing lots of leg excercises, and too often I also skip leg day and it haunts me. I do run fairly often so my legs aren't untrained, but should I train them at the gym more? What is the difference between leg muscle gained from running (I run sprints, 10k runs, uphill runs, mountain runs and alltogether my running varies).
>>35811031
i stopped squatting and deadlifting after got knee and back pain and i couldn't fix it
i think my form was solid but maybe it wasn't
now the pain is gone
>>35811031
I still squat twice a week, but stopped deadlifting after i randomly fucked up my lower back. Sad part is that is that i wasnt even doing a 1RM or anything (was doing 1x5) and didn't feel any pain or didcomfort while it happened.
Two days after, i couldnt even bend down to tie my shoes without extreme pain radiating down from my lower back to tailbone. This pain lasted about 2 weeks.
Scary shit. Be careful bros.
>>35811043
fuck off twink shit
>>35816303
flex your lats before you pull and pull them down towards your back pocket
>>35811031
The only reasons squats and deadlifts would ever be unsafe are your form sucking, or using too much weight. They are literally two of the best and most natural human movements. Leg press will fuck up your back.
>>35811608
>doing deadlifts for lats
God you are stupid. Dl is mainly a glute/hamstring movement you retarded fuck.
>>35816497
>What is the difference between leg muscle gained from running
The difference is that you don't gain muscle from running and you are a weak shit.
>>35811031
I actually do squat and DL to make my body more durable for marathon training.
>>35811503
Can't you just rep in with someone doing squats as well? I've never not seen a line for the racks, and invariably I ask if anyone waiting around is repping in, and if they're not, I ask whoever is lifting the closest to what I'll be doing if I can rep in. I've never had anyone say no or even be unfriendly about it. Is this not normal, basic gym etiquette?
>>35811031
I have never injured myself while doing deadlifts or squats.
I injured myself while doing dips; had a pain around my shoulderblade for a few days.
I also injured myself while doing laying tricep extensions; I felt as if my rear-delt got out of its socket and after 2 months I still feel some mild pain when crossing my arms.
>>35811343
And risk injuring someone else if they walk by the power rack at the time I realize I can't handle the weight? The safety pins are there for a reason m8.
>>35811376
B-back that ass up...
>>35811031
im an ex-fatty, i have huge legs already so i dont workout legs at all
There's nothing inherently "unsafe" about squats and deadlifts. There are unsafe ways of doing them though. If you're a strong dude and you want to take your set beyond the point of technical breakdown, then the risk/reward ratio does indeed become kind of shitty on these exercises and you're better off with a leg press or even pushing a prowler.
But simply choosing not to do the exercises altogether because of some completely irrational fear is pretty stupid. The exercises won't get you hurt - YOU will get you hurt, if you do something stupid. Big weights + stupid behaviour = high risk of getting hurt.
A deadlift has the potential to royally mess up your low back if you're stupid. On the other hand, if you're smart, the deadlift is more or less the single greatest exercise for strenghtening your back.
Don't go around saying these exercises are dangerous. Using them incorrectly is dangerous. It's on you. A hunting rifle is dangerous, but only if you aim it at your fucking face when you shoot. A car is dangerous if you decide to ram it into a building with 60 mph.
They're tools. That's all they are. You create the possibility for gains. You create the possibility for injuries.
Don't be emotionally attached to certain exercises. They're just tools. Don't have irrational fear of certain exercises. They're just tools.
I started on SS
ended up in hospital with a nurse putting a finger in my booty...
im too tall with bad posture and weak lower back to go back to deads/squats without a proper coach
>>35815918
It's inverted knees?
I can't do inverted knees
Squats and Deads are on the back burner for me. I do deads heavy once a week, 405 for a set of 5
and squats 275 for 5 then 225 for reps. I have no real desire in increasing the weight
>>35817345
>ended up in hospital with a nurse putting a finger in my booty...
Sounds hot
>>35817345
Did you try to squat 100 kg on your first try?
I may be a beginner but I love the diddylift. It is a bit scary, I won't deny it, but I think my back is well formed during the exercise.
>>35811031
can't live without squats and deads.
you're a fucking pussy if you skip'em.
I do goblet and zercher squats. I don't have spotters or cages, and I need to really figure out the form. I'm starting to get a lot better though.
>>35811156
Form is the issue.
>>35811079
I'm pretty confident in my bench, and I bench without a spotter. I do 10 rep weight and don't push myself to the point where I cannot move the bar. That, and there's dumping if I need.
>>35817345
you should get a tshirt: "I started on SS, and all I got was anally fingered"
>>35818106
Common sense on /fit/. I'll be damned.
>>35817368
Do some stretching m8
>>35811031
I pussy out due to back issues.
My leg and back routine is front squat (quad dominant day), rdl or sldl (hamstring dominant day), and then a mix of leg press, weighted reverse hyper, very heavy prowler pushes for posterior chain, very heavy sled drags as finisher for quads.
People believe a lot of interesting shit about back squats
>i can dump the bar prior to suffering back injury
>if i don't feel a pain in my back, my back isn't injured
When you find yourself struggling to finish a rep and must place the bar on the safeties, you've already sent an impulse of shearing force thru your lumbar spine. You may not even feel it but over the years this damage adds up.
Many back injuries that appear to have a specific cause are really a result of chronic damage (read stuff by dr. William marras).
>>35818792
That's true.
That still doesn't mean squatting is inherently dangerous though. It all depends on how you go about it. Although many people onhere won't like to hear it, training for general health and training for maximum performance aren't the same thing. If you keep pushing to the limit, you increase the risk of injury significantly.
>>35815220
No, it does not hurt to bench or do Rip's "OHP 2.0".
>>35812235
Proper stiff-legged deadlifts are actually safer.
Candito did a video on this.
>>35818792
Here's how to safely fail a squat:
https://youtu.be/LJ6SsRsOll8?t=1m06s
Can't deadlift or squat or run due to knee injury. Can't do lunges either. I've already lost a lot of muscle and it's depressing as fuck. What are some good alternatives that work your glutes/quads without putting pressure on your knees? I feel like I'm going insane without squatting and deadlifting.
>>35823544
Can't work quads without putting pressure on the knees.
You can try stiff-legged or romanian deadlifts for hamstrings and glutes though.
I fucked my wrist up doing a routine bench press (more than a year after I'd started lifting and at a weight I was very comfortable with) and very narrowly avoided dropping the bar straight onto my head/neck. Nobody would have found me until it was too late because this was at 4am in a 24/7 gym and I was the only person there.
I've been a dumbbell-lifting pussy ever since. Really wish there were more above 100lbs
>>35823716
Learn the roll of shame.
>>35817324
Kek...I miss seeing posts like these
