Can we settle this shit? Half of the people I know count this in their lift, the other half do not.
>>35720650
Ask yourself this - "How do the federation count the weight?"
you know two people and one of them is retarded?
so surround yourself with smarter people
>>35720650
So if a person can't bench the bar, some people will say they can't lift 0lbs?
I think it makes more sense to include bar. There are situ attains where not including the bar doesn't make sense, but including the bar makes sense no matter the situation
damn i wish my gym had those plates. instead it has these shitty plastic-coated ones except the plastic is all broken so when you put the bar down, it rolls away from you so you have to reposition yourself for the next rep
reeeee
>Are you lifting it
yes
>Does it weigh a considerable amount
yes
Who even fucking cares though
The only reason why you want to know if to count it or not is because you want to know how much weight you lift / tell others how much weight you lift, right?
If the barbell has weight and you lift it then you should count it.
Are you serious? You always count the barbell, I thought that was common sense.
>>35720665
Why would he ask a grammatically incorrect question to himself?
>>35720706
>wanting hex plates
no nigga you dont want hex plates
>>35720706
deadlifting wrong homie
>>35720721
what's wrong with them?
>>35720715
Because he's not an autistic virgin, I should expect.
>>35720650
Doesn't matter, I'm just estating anyway
>>35720730
how so?
Do u guys count the clips
>>35720650
If you don't count the bar how are you supposed to adapt to different gyms, like a hotel gym, or a shitty gym with no olympic bar?
>>35720736
They don't roll.
>>35720721
i want hex plates
>>35720754
not seeing the negative bro
>>35720650
Remember that the barbell starts to bend when you load about 3pl8 or so, so you are lifting less and less weight the more you load after that. If you're still counting the barbell at 4pl8 you're a stat padding faggot.
>>35720756
but you cannot drag the barbell if you are using heavy weight to reposition it. Round pl8s all the way bb.
>>35720788
push harder faggot
theyre hex not square
>>35720782
>Remember that the barbell starts to bend when you load about 3pl8 or so, so you are lifting less and less weight the more you load after that.
chortle
>>35720750
Do you count the hand swear left from the previous lifter?
>>35720782
thats not how physics works
>>35720756
>>35720736
>>35720706
>DYEL the post
>>35720750
you might want to atleast monitor your use of them for lifts where you'd bother with microplates
>>35720798
do you even know what a hexagon looks like?
>>35720782
This bait is so low quality that I thought I misread what you typed
>>35720798
they actually dodecagonal
you fucking faggot
>>35720843
im sorry you roid pushing faggot but where did you pick up that we were talking about OPs?
congrats that you can count by the way.
>>35720824
>>35720825
hurr durr i need roll
>>35720860
>hurr durr i need roll
>>35720824
Or people who have never used hex plates...
i thought every "did you add the bar? you forgot to add the bar" post was a troll for at least a year long.
>>35720721
you mean dodecagon plates right?
>>35720939
It's not? I never count the bar
I don't even exactly know how much that thing weighs, I just care about what I put on it
I offset the bar with a bunch of helium filled balloons.
This thread
>does it have mass
>did you lift it
>do you count it
All answers are yes
Yes. This is a dumb meme. I don't think anyone falls for it.
At the Olympics they count the bar in oly weight lifting. At powerlifting meets they count the bar. The bar has mass. The bar counts.
Do I count my bodyweight when I squat and only my upper torso when I deadlift?
>>35721089
But thats in competetive lifting, they use competetive bars.
Casual lifting at the gym it's different
>>35721317
gym bars weigh nothing, you're right. That's why they have to keep weights on them, so that they don't float away.
>Counting the bar
Next time count your arms too you fucking cheater
Get rid of the people in your life that doesn't count the barbell
>>35720650
yall are joking right? who the fuck doesnt count the bar? its 45 lbs you illiterate fucks
>not counting weight you lift.
Are you autistic?
>>35720736
They are fucking shit, when you go up the may roll on the bar so when you come down one side may roll back or forward fucking up the next rep.
>>35720650
>tfw you almost forgot we were in january
thanks for reminding me OP.
Guess I'll go back to the other boards for a little longer.
I'm so seriously screwed up in the head over barbells
My new gym has two kinds:
Standard silver thick-ish ones with two hand position rings
Darker weird-kinda-browny-black looking ones that are skinnier with one hand position ring
Is it sage to assume the skinnier one is like 15kg and the silver is the standa 20kg?
I'm getting back into lifting and the place is so busy you end up just using either, whatever's available. I'm having good days and bad days with both barbells so unless I pick the damn things up and carry them through the weights section to the cardio bunny section to use the scales and weigh it, looking dumb as all hell in the process, I've got no idea.
>>35720650
>The sport of Olympic weightlifting counts it
>The sport of Powerlifting counts it
No need to ask this then
>>35721635
ask the people working there if all else fails bring a scale to the weightlifting section
>>35721708
I asked 3 PTs there and they all said oh jeez uhhh I dunno
Fuck it, gonna just weigh it. I'm convinced it's lighter
jesus humanity has hit an all time stupidity low...not counting the bar GTFO
i dont count the bar for tracking progress
i count the bar when someone asks me how much i bench
I got in trouble at my gym because I make sure to weigh my planets before I used them to make sure I am using correctly labled weights. Theres a bunch of them that are like 45.4 lb instead of 45.0 lb, and a few that are 43.1 lb
I find all the 45.0 lb ones and take them with me aroudn the gym so I can get accurate measurments with the weights. I also wrote with permanent market on the 43.1 lb plates "not 45 lbs". I think the ones that are over are over because the place that manufactures them sets the weight before they paint the metal.
>>35721766
plates* fucking autocorrect.
also permanent marker*
>>35721766
>autist, the story.
>>35721766
>I make sure to weigh my planets
>>35721766
>I also wrote with permanent market on the 43.1 lb plates "not 45 lbs"
lol (laugh out loud) !!
>>35720706
Are you fucking stupid. You can't pull anything from the floor for reps with hex plates.
>>35720860
>Hur dur I never used hex plates in the twenty two days I've been lifting
>>35721766
Obviously fake, still funny tho.
Although...
>>35721860
>i neeed rooolllllll because im tooo weeaakkk waahhh
>>35721912
Ebin X'DDDD
>>35722450
solid rebuttal faggot
>>35720650
Le epic me me XD
>counting the bar
>including wind resistance
>calculating the weight of your body hair
Ishygddt
>>35722554
>not including moment
>>35722458
You can find out for yourself why hexplates are garbage if you stick with it long enough to diddly one plate
>>35720650
>hex plates
>diddles
It fucking throws me off and I end up facing about 10-15 degrees from my original position. I can imagine how horrible it is for autismos who must have everything aligned.
if u cant lift a 200 lb bar with 5 lb weights on either side, that means you cant bench 10 lbs faggot ahhaha
you only count the bar if they were manufactured near or at sea level, it's why rogue bars are so popular since they're made in ohio, which is very flat.
if you get a bar that was made in Colorado or Wyoming, understand that the altitude causes the bar to be less dense during manufacturing, and subtract between 5-15 pounds from your lift
If the bar didnt weigh anything it would float up to the roof of the gym and no one could use it
>>35720750
collars yes, clips, no not really
>>35720650
I've only ever counted the plates.
So 2 plates or 3 plates. I had some dude come up to me and tell me the bar weighs as much as a plate and put it on the scale to prove it.
I just said dude I'm not gonna call this 21/2 plates if theres only 2 plates on it.
>>35723035
It makes doing anything more than singles for pendlay rows literally fucking impossible. Pulling an out of position heavy ass bar back is a one way ticket.
>>35723403
thats not true unless force acted on it.
>>35720650
The weights on each end of the bar push up in the middle imagine getting a ruler putting weight on each end it will bend up in the middle. This effect counters the weight of the bar and the more
Weight you put on the bar the more this effect comes into play. Once you are over 3 plate 140kg or 315lb the bar effectively has a negative weight.
the bar weights 10 to 20kgs
one of the first things I do at a new gym is ask how much the bar weights.
>>35723413
It's still called 2 plate even including the weight of the bar you fucking nincompoop. When did /fit/ get overrun by so many retarded newfags that this thread seriously needs to be made multiple times per week?
2 plate = 2 45 lb plates on each side of the 45 lb bar
45 +45 + 45 +45 +45 = 225 lbs
Regardless of what you "count" you're still lifting the same amount of weight. Learn basic math, you fucking stain.
Yes, of course you count the bar. It's why the bar weighs the same as a plate. So lmao1pl8 = 135 lb/60 kg, lmao2pl8 = 225/100 and so on.
The only reason you wouldn't count the bar is if it were rammed up your ass, because you're a huge faggot and you like that sort of thing.
>>35723482
When things are near zero in mass they eventually escape the atmosphere. The earth is always losing its hydrogen and helium gains.
I don't count it when I'm writing my weights down during my workout (It's just easier for me to keep straight how much weight I'm putting on the bar)
But I do include it when I'm telling people about what I lift
>>35720782
lol
the barbell weigths 20 kg and the weights on the barbell weights 100kg alltogether how much weight are you lifting off the ground?
>>35723641
0 i cant lift that much
Of course you count the weight.
>Yfw you can only bench the barbell
>"Hey anon, how much can you bench?"
>"Like 0kg brah"
>>35723541
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you retarded or something?
I can easily figure out the math but I never refer to my lifts by the poundage but by the plates on it.
You fucking dumb ass. So while you say 225 to try and squeeze those extra pounds in to feel better. I just say 2 plates.
>>35723737
>calls me retarded
>trying to squeeze in extra weight
>for saying 225 which is literally the exact same thing as 2 plate
It's the same thing, you fucking moron. How is this confusing to you?
>>35723511
fucking kek
>>35720650
Ive never met anyone that doesnt count the bar.
Im freedom btw
>>35723482
> Believing a zero weight bar won't float away
> Believing in a centrifugal force in a rotating reference frame
Choose one
>>35723403
>no one could use it
When will they learn
>>35721317
>tfw my gym has 20 power racks with olympic bars
>>35721718
>>35721718
>I asked 3 PTs
>they all said oh jeez uhhh I dunno
PTs, the post
Most people dont count the bar, also depending on where the plate was made it could weigh more or less due to the atmospheric pressure of the earth being heavier, not to mentiom the fact that depending on where you are on in relation to the equator and sea level could add or takaway up to 5 pounds, and never forget to take away 2 pounds for the hole in the middle of the plate, and thats without even taking into consideration how far/close we are towards the sun due to being on an oval trajectory that could take away or add another half pound
>tl;dr it doesn't matter just lift heavy shit
>>35724291
well it would sort of break classical physics.
newtons second law would not work and force could not be applied whatsoever regardless of the acceleration.
for this to be possible without breaking equations the barbell would travel faster than the speed of light at a fixed point at which the solar system moves away from.
gone way faster than anyone could register into the voids of space
>tfw i kick the plates a bit which dislodges some atoms from it thereby making it a bit lighter so i can get the rep
My big toe is all fucked up and permanently bruised but at least i can deadliftt 2 plates now.
>>35724401
take it to /fraud/ chump
>>35720736
generally a deadlift you want round plates because when its coming down everything is even, with hex plates they can rotate and some corners will touch the ground and its not ideal
>not counting the pressure of air on your body
>not counting your own bodyweight
>>35724697
why count the pressure of air on your body when these idiots dont even account for the force of gravity let alone the spin of the earth?
>>35720721
>hex plates
>12 sides
kek
>>35721718
probably a diddly lift bar
you dont count the bar, but you should take it into account if you are used to say, dumbbell bench. cause dumbbells arent 45lb + the weight.
>>35724253
Ausfag and this as well. What fucking lightweight gyms do you go to where people don't count the bar, jesus fucking christ
Goddamit people get your facts straight.
>>35721635
You can usually tell when a barbell is lighter
My gym has barbells like that. It has skinnier barbells like the one you describe, one of the PTs told me those weight around 15kg
The chromed barbells which are thicker are all 20kg
>>35724396
It's as fucking simple as the principle that allows balloons to float. Helium is lighter than air, therefore the force produced by air pushes the balloon upwards. A barbell with no mass would be the same, it would fucking float up into the atmosphere and be lost in space
>>35721635
Are the sleeves similar length? 15kg bars usually half sleeves that are significantly shorter it should be obvious.
It sounds like one is just a standard multi-purpose (hence the snatch ring and power ring) and the other one is an olympic bar - they probably weigh the same but doesn't hurt to check.
>>35720715
It's not capitalized, thus it's plural.
>>35720650
Why are they called hex plates if they have 11 congruent sides?
>>35720710
I read this in Dom's voice.
>>35720994
SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE FINALLY POINTED THIS OUT.
>>35721787
kek
>the amount of replies to this thread
in spite of all the
>durr barbell weighs, you lift it, you count it
the fact gyms typically have more than one barbell type, and different people end up using different ones, the only thing that makes sense is to count it
>>35721345
Kek
>>35720706
No, hex plates are shit
>>35720721
this
>>35720843
>>35720994
>>35724728
>>35725649
I hope you don't say that in real life lol.
You probably think the deadlift is a push too. lmao
>>35720782
>>35720706
>damn i wish my gym had those plates.
>>35724345
Kek
>>35720650
>Half of the people I know count this in their lift,
That would be the 'correct, smart' half
>the other half do not.
..and that would be the 'incorrect, dumb' half.
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>>35720698
This. Common sense. I think 90% of the people that say don't count the bar are trolling. The rest... well.
>calling them hex plates
>they clearly have 12 sides
>???
Calling the plates hexagonal is correct, since they exhibit class 6 symmetry in their lowest order. That means certain elements repeat every 60 degree rotation, which is the case here. Dihexagonal and hexagonal pl8s exhibit the same symmetry, so they should be grouped together in a class of "hex pl8s" with the formula C6ih.
Why do weights come in hex shapes in first world countries?
>>35721345
Lost.
>>35727615
that's wrong though
>>35727552
no, they're called hex plates because they're hexed to give nogainz
as the oglaf guy put it, curses are just self-enforcing laws
>>35720751
this. my gym has only one olympic bar, tons of 10 kg bars. also i think EZ-bars always different. its to compare with the whole world that u count the bar
Of course you count the weight of the bar, nigga I count the weight of my wrist wraps on my bench press.
>>35721635
One is a deadlift bar which is thinner and whips around with weight the other bar is a standard lifting bar which is quite rigid ideal for squats and bench
>>35720650
HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS MATTER
JUST MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WICH ONE UR USING IÖF UR COMPARING HOW MUCH U LIFT LIKE AN UNSECURE PUSSY
>>35721666
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