ITT: we discuss all things deadlifts.
Do you guys think deadlifts alone are enough for leg development? It seems that whenever people talk about proper leg development that tends to be exaggerated quads and underdeveloped calves, glutes and hamstrings, from too many squats. Would it be a terribly bad idea to construct a strength program focused mainly on deadlifts with infrequent squats occasionally throw in?
Back squats won't give you exaggerated quads. Only doing front squats will.
>>35710108
I'd be interested because my knee is fuuuuuucked and squats (even after about 2 months of no lower body) at low weight always re-aggravates it.
deads dont
>>35711437
>>35710108
deads are much funner than squats too
>>35711437
Mix it up with Sumo squats and you should be fine. Know of a guy who only does dealifts and leg press since he messed up his knee and he's pretty strong
>>35710130
i can confirm this..
also for hamstring development would be sldl
>>35710130
Sounds like bro science
>>35710108
You'll build leg mass doing deadlifts. But your quads are going to lag behind a bit. If you don't like doing back squats, front squats are a great alternative as they don't require you to use as much weight and this you can get away with doing them and deadlifting on the same day much easier with less CNS fatigue.
Just did my first deadlift today what does /fit/ think?
Pic related. It's from the gym I work at
https://youtu.be/hICmM1XaFdg
>>35710108
sure, chuck in sumo deads and do front squats
>>35715161
>autism shoes
>>35715435
>not running before lifting to get blood flowing
>>35715161
>>35715435
This
Why would you wear those shoes while deadlifting or ever.
>taking 30+ seconds rest between reps
>making it
>>35715483
>running before lifting
kek
>>35715161
horrible. Hips shooting up like crazy
>>35715161
Not bad for a first time deadlift. Why are you leaving the bar after doing one rep though? You don't need to do that.
Get flat shoes (or wear none) and drop the bar down properly. At this weight you aren't going to break anything but soon you need to make sure the bar is going down (and up too) in a straight line over mid foot.
Also next time take a video from a better angle.
>>35715485
>>taking 30+ seconds rest between reps
>>making it
>In one study, athletes lifted a weight more times in 3 sets after resting 3 minutes compared to when they rested only 1 minute (Kraemer, 1997). Another study showed a 7% increase in squat strength after 5 weeks of training with 3 minute rest periods.
The group that rested for 30 seconds only improved their squat by 2% (Robinson et al, 1995). Two more studies that examined very short rest periods (30 to 40 seconds) found they caused nowhere near the strength gains from longer rest periods (Kraemer et al, 1987; Kraemer, 1997).
you get stronger in the same amount of workouts if you rest properly
no less than 3 minutes, no more than 5
>>35715606
Are you actually retarded? Rest between sets not reps.
>>35715622
derp i misread your post..
i agree 100% with you, excuse my stupid
>>35710108
My legs are pretty solid and I don't squat. Just deadlift heavy with a bit of quad assistance work for my deads. Deads are always going to hit your posterior chain harder than squats, so just add in a bit of quad work and it's no biggie
how is my form looking?
Any tips on how to improve?
inb4 kill yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTQLt1Uup4
>>35715161
ok listen to what >>35715571 said also don't shrug your shoulders at the top. Make sure your lats are engaged i.e. tuck your shoulder blades into your back pockets BEFORE you lift the weight. Don't think about pulling them back or shrugging, just pull them down.
>>35710108
>squats gtive you exaggerated quads
Where in sweet fuck are you pulling this information from? Squats, epecially low bar, stress your musculature almost identically to deadlift. Sounds like you're just a faggot trying to justify a dislike a squatting, pussy.
>>35715161
>first time deadlifting
>2pl8
are you literally retarded? stick to 1pl8 until you fix your shitty form.
>>35716759
>people on this board actually think you want to retract your scapula on a deadlift
for fuck's sake, stop giving advice
>>35716764
that's one plate you blind retard
>>35710108
>Do you guys think deadlifts alone are enough for leg development?
no
>>35716735
Don't breathe out at the top of the lift, hold it until you lower it and breathe at the bottom. I also can't tell 100% because of the angle but make sure your scapula is directly over the bar because it looks like it's coming around your knees a little.
Solid form though, nice work.
>>35715161
>working at a gym and has never deadlifted before
kek
>>35716779
Please tell me; how does tucking the shoulder blades down and engaging the lats imply pulling your shoulders back?
>>35716790
>falling for it
QTDDTOT isn't giving me anything, so here goes.
Is it possible that wrong stance/form on the squat or deadlift can cause shin splints?
Twice over the last two weeks I got them seemingly out-of-nowhere, while I did a heavy SS workout the day before.
>>35710108
I think deadlifts plus front squats is a god-tier combo
hit 355lb for 7 last night without a belt, feels good brahs
>>35710108
>start doing DL
>think nothing of it
>fast forward few months
>start doing squats again
>no soreness, weights seems easy to lift
>tfw I've been doing a modified squat the entire time instead of DL
What's a good video showing a good form on the way up and on the way down?
What would a routine built around doing deadlifts as your main compound lift look like?
>>35710108
deads are a back exercise imo i focus more sqats for legs
>>35710130
nah my quads are good and i never did those but my legs arw naturally big
>>35715485
u think its optimal to lift when ur heart rate / breathing is high? why go for another set if u cantmatch the intensity?
>>35710130
bullshit. given that the back squat volume is enough and you squat high baryou will get all the quads development you can get
>>35710108
> Do you guys think deadlifts alone are enough for leg development?
Conventional is not alone for leg development, as it is more of a hip hinge and doesn't involve quads over a fuller ROM.
With the right proportions and an especially deep setup, you might be able to make that claim of a sumo deadlift.
> It seems that whenever people talk about proper leg development that tends to be exaggerated quads and underdeveloped calves, glutes and hamstrings, from too many squats.
Then don't do Platz squats. Biomechanically, from the perspective of your *legs*, what is the difference between a Zercher squat and a Coan-style semi-sumo deadlift?
I really can't comprehend deadlifts. My back always rounds no matter what setup I try. I've already seen every relevant how to video and none seem to help.
Will I be missing out in the longe term if I pull sumo?
>>35721076
SS book deadlift setup fixed it for me.
Do any of you guys lift? Lifting heavy is taxing as fuck, 2 times a week is enough to beat me to shit
If you want just one leg exercise, trapbar deadlift.
>>35721076
tuck your dick between your legs.
also OP - I deadlift for 1rm every week without fail, and squat very infrequently. My quads are embarassing but hammys are dank.
mix up heavy deads with front squats, one legged leg press, leg extensions and you are set.
>>35721183
Is tuck your dick an actual cue or are you being an ass? Becasue just practicing the dick tuck does seem to engage my lower back and sets it properly.
So... thanks?
>>35712455
The conventional deadlift is mainly a hamstring exercise. SLDLs are a meme.
>>35721173
why so?
post good deadlifts
>>35710108
Improving your squat is the best way to improve your deadlift tho
>>35721382
>belt
>straps
>chalk
>rounding back
he'd pull maybe 240 without those things, maybe.
>>35721382
That was half a deadlift.
>>35721382
>straps
>belt
>losing grip at the top
2/10 would not pull 250kg raw
>>35721382
>manbun
>belt
>straps
>long socks
>sharp elbows
Without all that equipment he would pull 80kg.
2/10 deadlift, he should be ashamed of himself
Will going hard on Deadlifts and Squats be enough to show off decent abdominal muscles after a cut?
>>35721646
>>35721440
>>35721421
lmao all these jelly weakfags
>>35721382
he should deload and start over from the bar, I bet he's a TWINK FUCKING SHIT without all that equipment.
Also straps and belt isn't RAW, do you want a forklift to lift that brah?!?!?!
>>35721689
If you take off the equipment, will he die?
>>35721354
Hits quads more than regular deadlift and still hits hammies and glutes very hard. You can mess with angle/stance to get more or less quad involvement.
>>35721402
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha
>>35721382
>Using a belt for sub-320kg pulls
>>35721706
I wonder if this would help me build quads without the knee pain of squats (OP of >>35711437)
>>35721382
weeeoyuuuuuu
>>35721701
he would be extremely weak
>>35721731
>belt
Do they allow forklifts too?
>>35721755
Funny how you like talking about FORKlifts so much
Put down the FORK tubsy
>>35721722
If your gym has a trap bar, it can't hurt to try.
>>35721731
Love this video, you are so happy George :3
>>35721731
willy
>>35721792
Me too, it's rare I actually feel good about the weights I lift
>Front squats
>Rumanian deadlifts
The rest is accessory leg work
>>35715483
>cardio on the same day as diddly
lolkekzozzleshiggydiggy
>>35721825
How much was that?
>>35715606
He's resting 30 secs between his reps. Rest between sets is not in question here.
>>35715637
You are forgiven.
>>35716764
>nowthisisshitposting.jpg
>>35710130
This 2bh familia. The only way back squats give you good quads is if you don't use a full rom.
>>35722075
"No"
I'm 6'7" and have pretty long legs, every time I try to deadlift my knees are way over the bar so I cant get a straight bar path. Should I try sumo?
>>35721665
I know that's you in the video :o
You ever set the National record?
>>35721667
bump my friends
I've been benching, curling and pressing for a few month, seeing good stegnth gains. Shaping up nicely but naturally a skinny cunt.
First time deadlifting 3 days ago. I went light as fuck, 60kg 3 sets of 6. All of my doms are inner thighs...
Does this mean my form was bad? Is it natural? Or weak inner thighs or some shit?
>>35722827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoYWLualcmc
>>35722827
The problem isn't your height, try squatting lower, moving your butt further back, and keeping your chest high. Either that or post a video, so we can help you. Nothing wrong with sumo though.
>>35721721
>Hahahahahhahahahahahaha
It may a little bit of an exaggeration but improving your squat is a great way to improve the diddy.
I went from 4 to 5 plate quicker than I did from 3 to 4 by squatting more and deadlifting less
Will high volume deadlifts fuck your back? Like on 531 BBB, is it safe to do?
>>35722827
sumo is for women
>>35716790
Well, almost. You have to account for the holes.
>>35723293
or men who want good legs rather than lower back?
I never understood why anyone pulls conventional if they want to look good
>>35715161
>squating your deads
you fucking suck
>>35710108
Literally the only thing I've ever done for leg development is conventional deadlifts.
>>35726410
Your legs look pretty good for an average person, but, compared to your chest and arms, they look very under-developed, Anon.
>>35726305
no one taught me how, i was going based off of guides on the internet
but thanks for saying i suck, I am doing them again tomorrow going to practice form more
Whats the most important muscle in squats? Its always lagged behind my other lifts, and im just plain tired of the slow progress
>>35726410
are the calves supposed to be this small in comparison to the upper leg? wtf
>>35726467
My legs are the strongest most built thing on my body by a fair margin. I'd say they're quite a bit bigger than average Joe's. Probably not as big as if I could squat but still pretty good development. My hams/glutes are admittedly quite a bit larger than my quads.
>>35726683
I dunno. The only thing I do for calves are sprints so probably not.
>>35723293
Are you being facetious or should women do sumo?
>>35726410
>wearing your shoes
I really hope this was sent to a girl before it was posted here.
>>35728233
He's being a dick, but for a bunch of reasons women are more likely to get an advantage out of pulling sumo (and also out of squatting wide).
>>35728250
>advantage
As in muscle growth, or like because it hits hams/glutes better?
>im trying to google it now
>>35728277
Bigger numbers, mostly. There's two main things that tend to determine whether you're stronger sumo or conventional:
Comparative limb and torso lengths (simplified: Long limbs = good conventional, long torso = good sumo. long arms/short everything else: do whatever the fuck you want, you're ed fucking coan).
Hip construction (ie how wide you can you go before bone starts getting jammed against something its not supposed to get jammed against).
Women are much more likely to have both in their favour.
>>35721302
Conventional for strength training, romanian for hypertrophy training.
>>35723246
Well no shit the initial pull off the floor is all quads.
>>35726410
do you and women like your legs? (smaller quads than glutes/hams)
>>35716845
It might be the cause or a related problem, i suspect bad ankle dorsi flexion and not the stance per se
Omarisuf has a yt vid about increasing ankle mobility
Keep in mind that this COULD be the cause, not IS
I have short arms, so when I reach the top of the deadlift, the bar is at the same level as my dick. This leads to me smashing the fuck out of my junk and it hurts too bad to lock out properly. Wat do
>>35730313
Use cock armor.
