Weightlifting General
A thread for the discussion of the sport of weightlifting and all things related. Keep the insults and shitposting to a minimum.
>If you are new to weightlifting please read these first and check the other sources they link to before asking questions:
http://pastebin.com/1HgVcGam
http://pastebin.com/wCXeXfkk
http://www.chinfl.blogspot co.uk/2013/07/how-into-weightlifting.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/weightlifting/wiki/faq
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mjgz5nmcikhhvnu/28iq3URWUW
>The information that you are looking for is probably in the above links.
That includes routines, shoes, information on the lifts, etc. Check out the pastebins for literature or the reddit faq for general information.
Included in this youtube playlist are videos related to weightlifting which you may find useful or insightful:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl3WCm2GfvLxvH877oJ1xEA/playlists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ojp1Q1qZHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=672&v=c493I-PMNqo
>Bulking edition
I come from /hbg/ lads.
I am reading through the paste bin on both Starett's and a few other's tutorials on the power clean.
Other than some drills such as hip cleaning, cleaning light to work on technique, and going from different starting positions, are there things that can be done for drills?
I am jumping fine, but I am not engaging as I should be on the shrug portion, and feel like I could be pulling higher.
Who are the more definitive authorities on power cleans?
>>35698667
gays are not welcome here
this is a Christian general
>>35698667
go somewhere else
>>35698600
Purposely pulling slow is old school. Ripping it off the floor is dumb. Your initial effort should be fast and even faster during extension.
People often mistake that elite lifters are doing slow pulls but they are not doing this purposely.
Its a waste of energy and time.
>>35698769
Elaborate
>>35698814
theyre slow because its fucking heavy
>>35699041
I'm not sure what he means by "Ripping it off the floor"
Does that mean starting the pull fast or pulling with bent arms?
>>35698769
Noone disputed that. We all said that slowing down a ripped pull isnt the same as purposefully pulling 'slow'
The only way to see relating to last thread would be if the guy posted a video. To lose 30kg just cos of a slower pull is not right. I'd put money on his coach slowing his pull not to have an old fashioned 'slow pull' but just to stop him ripping it from the floor and have a more even stable pull to setup the rest of the lift
>>35699177
Pulling at a million miles an hour, with no proper balance or positions, and meaning there no acceleration above the knee I'd guess.
Tips for overhead stability? I am eager to begin 70s big transition, but do not want to learn the snatch until I fix stability.
bumping with PR from today
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAxY4caCix1/?taken-by=budstinger
>inb4 faggot cuz long hair etc
dog is stupid
starting LSUS in feb. anyone have any experiences with it?
at the lower end of the 77kg class, looking to gain 4-5kilos of muscle
>>35699365
Gg breh
I hope to oneday hit this numbers. Have to hit 80 first :^)
>>35699365
lol faggot
>>35699892
Why do you have to be so mean to him?
>>35699254
Mobility, shrug and internally rotate, or externally rotate, I hear differing opinions, ppl say internally rotate for best stability
>>35698667
It's not rocket surgery lad, read through info, watch a few videos of people doing them well, then have a go while videoing your own attempts. Issues should be glaringly obvious
>>35700566
> rocket surgery
If my upper back rounds on the way up from a front squat but my elbows are still high. It's 100% a mobility problem right?
Upper back mobility or ankle/hip?
>>35703812
does it round on the way down?
>>35703812
>It's 100% a mobility
No.
It's actually postural strength
>>35699365
Gjdm
>>35703812
Probably weak upper back.
>>35703902
Yeah, if it rounds only on the way up its weakness, not mobility
>>35706042
>Probably
hey guys, I hate to bother you but from experience this is the best place to get actual advice on /fit/
I have chronic shoulder impingement issues for a few years already. I changed and adapted my training many times and was rewarded with at times no noticeable shoulder problems. I even tried some mobility drills. but the restrictions are very annoying, I can't even do OHP, and the shoulder issues have been getting worse again recently
I have joint hypermobility so I have always dealt with shoulder instability. but my overall shoulder mobility is not that good, party because I don't want to further destabilize my shoulders (it's worse in my left and more mobile shoulder) and because I have been slacking with mobility in the past
do you have any advice what I could do against this chronic shoulder impingement? any personal experience with it?
>>35706614
see a chiropractor , tell him what you told us
>>35706903
I once went to one, was a complete waste of time
what I got was "stop with weightlifting" but obviously I am not willing to do this. he also told me to go to a sports physician
since my gym offers them for free I did so but while being much more competent with diagnosis and being able to immediately recognize all my problems he didn't offer any solutions except for nonsense like "stop with this extreme bodybuilding" and "there is nothing you can do about it"
>>35707254
let me tell here that I do not feel any pain (except very minor during some movements that I obviously avoid and only after I have been training hard for prolonged time). I've been able to live with it the past few years and will be able to continue with this. and if necessary, I have one of the world's best orthopaedic clinics nearby that both my parents already went to
but for now what has given me the best result is adaptation. and therefore before I do anything else I first want to try more on my own
>>35707313
What's your posture like? When you stand up straight, are your shoulders neutral or rotated forward? Do you sit up straight, or hunch over your computer? Focus on keeping a neutral shoulder in whatever you do.
>>35707313
Don't you think it might be a torn labrum?
Thoughts?
>>35707612
Why is akkaev lawful evil? He closed off a highway to shoot an ak47
>>35707537
>What's your posture like?
I'd say it has become pretty good because the muscles keep everything in place
>When you stand up straight, are your shoulders neutral or rotated forward?
neutral
>Do you sit up straight, or hunch over your computer?
hunch a little bit
>>35707559
how can I tell if it's a torn labrum? I feel it, especially on left side, when I extend my arm sideways and move it up. pain starts slightly below parallel. I also feel it when I touch my other shoulder and touch my forehead with the elbow or when I move my elbow as far back as possible at 80-90° angle (similar to bench)
>>35707612
is Ilya's hair shopped?
sup owg.
i dont have really good proportions, legs are average but i have short torso + relatively long arms, so as a 5'7 manlet i have to grip the bar more than 1 thumb out of the rings.
tried today and i snatched my max after a brutal session where i did s fuckton of jerks (something like a 100 jerks with around 75% and even a set of 4 with my 90%, which i guess in not my 90% anymore).
it felt kinda awkward in the overhead with such a wide grip but i can probably do more this way.
should i bother doing snatches with such a wide grip ? i cant drive my hips into the bar otherwise
>>35707612
Can someone please explain what this lifters have done for this?
I´m starting to learn about this sport and would live to hear some nice stories.
>>35707612
Why Kendrick lawful good?
>>35698667
>hip cleaning,
bad
>jumping
bad
>tfw coach abandons you to train for themselves/work another job
In the OH position of the snatch my elbows are hyperexyending BACKWARDS and it screws me up. the more i try to fix it the worse it gets.
Please help fast, what do? Less internal rotation?
>>35710177
am I internally rotating too little? Pic related
>>35708686
>lawful
Because he is enlightened by his natty gains.
>good
American
>>35708726
I think the terms "hip clean" and "tall clean" are the same. People don't really mean to actually pull the bar into your hips, like Cal strength lifters do.
>>35707762
I think he just has odd hair
>>35710204
i am this dyel that posts pics/vids here sometimes
got told i cant do snatches in the gym by the powerlifter lady that lifts more weight than me
but she gave me the cell phone number of the guy who runs the weightlifting hall in my ymca here, so i'll give him a call and probably get my mommy/daddy for pay for him to coach me and let me use the facility with actual bumpers/racks
in the meantime i'm just squatting. she couldn't really give me a definite answer so i'm just squatting and push pressing for this workout and probably the next few
feels good/bad man
>>35710722
In addition to squat, FS, push press, you may as well do some pulls.
>mommy and daddy to pay
This board is 18+.
>>35710722
nice man, go get tha sick gains of actually having a coach.
>>35710072
>tfw coach abandons you after he gets popped for roids
Those LG TVs look really weird.
>>35712172
MAKE WEBMS FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>35712172
fuck off, if you won't help yourself why do you think anyone would waste time on your shitty daily form checks?
you come here asking the noobiest shit questions that most of the OP answers, you didnt even try learning you just ask to be spoonfed
>>35712261
>>35712318
Why do you guys always bully new people?
>>35712318
oly boi tells me to keep posting vids, i dont post here daily, just the competition lifts and the occasional non-oly lift. i barely even ask any questions, dunno what the fuck ur on about m8. probably mistaking me for somebody else cuz if similar typing style. i also read plenty online and try to correct any mistakes i notice, i just post here incase ive overlooked something
sorry u got cucked mate, but it happens, dont gotta take it out on me
>>35712261
i cant on mobile, sorry.
>>35712335
that aint bullying, im just sayin make webms
>>35712172
>>35712655
lower the weight on the rows, you're cheating them hardddd, you shouldnt be using your legs, just pull towardsyou w/ arms and upper back. no more of this pushing up with legs and hitching your body towards the bar.
for PP doesnt look that bad for beginner, make sure you arent rebending knees, it should be a full extension up not a push,catch,pressout
also do u not have anyyyy access to pc??
>>35712810
some people believe in cheating rows, e.g. glenn pendlay/mark rippetoe (i dont agree with much of anything rip says tho desu). I felt it a lot im my hamstrings and had fun doing them. Maybe theyre a good excercise to kill two birds with one stone? Bit if hamstrings, bit of back?
Maybe it's okay to cheat, but I am cheating too much?
and to me it doesnt look like i'm hitching my body to the bar, i'm opening my hips, am i not? not tryimg to d3fend my cheatijg. sorry.
and i have a pc, i just dont really use it. i use it for vidya sometimes and that's about it
>>35712655
>sorry u got cucked mate, but it happens, dont gotta take it out on me
im supposed to be offended by this coming from a virgin skeletor?
>>35712911
you shouldnt b feeling it in ur hams
then make webms, no one wants to go through the hassle of decoding those links for a short ass vid, your the one that wants the form check, you can go through the minimal effort.
>>35712969
kek
>>35712969
no, not really. just had to say something back so i wouldnt seem like an asskissing faggot
isn't this a trigger free zone? modz pls ban
>>35713040
i cant even use my pc
i may try to find an app on my phone, i used an in browser converter before but it fukken wouldnt remove the audio and 4chan wont accept it
also sometimes people convert my vids to webms for me
also you decoded my link for a short ass video
i dont even know what to say other than what i've already said :^)
goodnight owg
>>35713053
did u dl 2 much pron, is that why ur pc wont work
>>35713184
>>35713197
ded thread
ded sport
such a hottie
>>35699598
Just finished 10s, less the classics this Saturday. Pretty beat up, honestly. Sitting here with some ice on my hip. Gonna use the same weights from this week for the first week of 5s as a deload. Feeling strong, though. Have gained about 2-3lbs over the past 3 weeks.
>>35712123
>>35712145
Ilya's is by far my favourite Instagram
can i get a form check?
also, is it true that weak glutes can be the main cause of failing cleans/squats by getting stuck at the very bottom?
>>35714619
That was pretty nice, mate.
Do your hypers and your glute/ham raises and your goodmornings.
>>35714653
thanks m8. just had someone tell me that i prob have shit weak glutes and that's why i fail heavy ass-cleans at the very bottom..
>BSQ: 124kg
>Snatch: 92kg
>CNJ: 104kg
starting to wonder if main weakness is not /just/ leg strength, but glutes/hips.
>>35714619
for consistency's sake
>>35714673
Nice classics with that back squat
>TFW 75kg snatch with 160 bs
>>35699365
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BAxY4caCix1/?taken-by=budstinger
nice hair u big faggot
Just did my first ever deadlift today. What does /fit/ think of my form and such?
https://youtu.be/hICmM1XaFdg
>>35707762
he's balding cuz of his high test
>>35714143
jezus that stance is so wide
>>35715285
Just make sure you're loading up your hamstrings and glutes before you pull upwards. You need to feel it in these muscles NOT your lower back. If you're feeling any pain or discomfort in your lower back you're doing it wrong.
Might want to try an alternating grip too, one hand forward one hand facing back. You won't need it for lifting light but it's probably good to start the habit early on.
>>35715496
What if I feel discomfort in my upper back? I'm another anon.
There's this uncomfortable feeling after I finish the deadlift, and when I stand up straight after the last repetition, theres this heavy crack in my back sometimes and I can't move or breathe normally either for the next five seconds.
I feel like this might have something to do with me not warming up enough. I'm doing stretches for 10 minutes beforehand, and then three sets of 7 with 50-70% of the final workout weight.
I do the hepburn routine, so 8x2-3 and 3x6-8
Gif related was me 1 or 2 months ago. I fixed a bit since then but the upper back discomfort _after_ the lift (5 seconds) is still there.
Tried keeping the bar closer to me, activating my glutes and hamstrings even more and worked a bit on my shoulder positioning
And of course the non-existing lockout
https://www.instagram.com/p/463qwICk8Z/
god i hate hip cleaning
>>35715285
I wanted to write a lot but honestly it doesn't look bad for your first one
just keep practicing and you will learn on your own how to do it properly
>>35715872
Why? It looks fast
>>35714673
Dat dere efficiency, nice lifts.
>>35716155
because it looks disjointed and painful
>>35716185
Its not painful if the bar and your hips move in the same direction, physics
>>35716282
i didn't know that but i still dislike hip cleaning
>>35715595
never stretch before workout, always after and only if you have mobility problems and generally with resistance. there is a reason our mobility is naturally limited. an increase in mobility always leads to a decline in strength and stability, like with a spring that gets weaker if you stretch it. and the reason why you only want to dynamically stretch with resistance is because that way you will build strength at the newly acquired range of motion and it will help reduce the loss of strength and stability
your routine looks questional to me. you look dyel so why do you pick such a fancy routine? just do 3x5 or something equally simple
push the bar towards you. what you do now is first you extend your legs and then you extend your torso and then you do a good morning. what you want to do is extend your torso and legs simultaneously and push back so that the weight slides along your legs. then controlledly drop the weight. putting the weight down slowly, especially in a good morning fashion, is a major back killer
regarding your upper back discomfort, there could be so many reasons for it you have to find out on your own. it is only problematic if it hasn't lessened over time as you got used to deadlifts. there are two things that come to mind. first, you deadlift too heavy and don't drop the weight. generally you should avoid going below 4-5 reps on the deadlift except if you plan to peak for a competition. also don't do so many sets. second, your upper back is too weak. train your rear delts, lalts, traps and so on. if neither help, go to a doctor
while keeping a lot of tension on most of my body, shoulders are an exception. I "keep them hanging". but my entire back is extremely well developed and I still feel it in my traps afterwards. so try this too. keep your shoulders loose so the scapula can move into a natural position. scapula could be involved in your problems so try out different positions and see what makes it worse or better
is this good?
>>35716155
It's inefficient or something idk
>>35713246
>>35713184
>>35713197
ur stronk commie.
but why do you drop like that after parallel? looks like you loosen up.
>>35714673
fugg, i snatch 90 kg with a 180 back squat.
myron
>>35715872
disgusting.
she's pretty fucking gross too
I think I might quit weightlifting.
I really like it, but I hate paying $135 a month at a crossfit gym.
I'm going to sleep on it, but I think im done.
>>35717537
how long have you been going? you could always do /homegym/
>>35717580
Since september.
If I ever get a home gym, I'll do it then, but I think I'm done for now.
>>35717537
>>35717598
Rip in peace anon
>>35717537
Do you not have a WL club or another gym with bumpers?
>>35717766
No, I live in the dorms of my uni, and we have a uni gym where you can drop weights.
>>35717718
Yep, plus Im the guy whose coach abandoned him.
You guys want my program? I can email you guys an 8 week excel file
weight class 77kg, retired officially today
>>35717792
I wouldnt call it abandon, but we dont have time for each other anymore.
>>35717792
you oly boi?
cmon m8
FUCK YOU
>>35716348
>never stretch before workout, always after
But what about all the gifs of olympic weightlifters stretching their shit before doing heavy sets?
>>35716348
>your routine looks questional to me.
I couldn't make progress with 5x5 anymore. The hepburn routine is simple. It's literally just two excercises, but I add lateral raises, shrugs and dips because of genetic insertion deficiencies.
>generally you should avoid going below 4-5 reps on the deadlift
That makes no sense to me
>your upper back is too weak. train your rear delts, lalts, traps
That can't be it
I guess it might be dropping of the weight, which is do too slowly because I live in an appartment complex.
I also, as I mentioned before, feel like I'm not harassing my shins enough with the bar, so I will try to keep it closer to my body in general.
Thank you for the input
Watching catalyst vids today. They had a chick do emom snatches, 3 singles at each weight, two misses in a row then stop, apparently good for her consitantcy and confidence
Seems legit? I tend to trust Everett and this sounds like a work out I'd enjoy.
>>35717962
Not stretching before is a meme. Literally every top level lift will do atleast a tiny bit of static stretching before lifting. Maybe if your hyper mobile all you have to do is get warm but everyone else even top tier lifters will stretch
The key is the distinguish between stretching to help your body within its range of motion or stretching to increase your rom. The latter should be done separately from lifting.
>>35718586
I see
This is my last thread, until the olympics of course.
You're all a bunch of twink shits compared to us
>>35718093
>>35718941
>us
Implying any of you are close to bods level? Most of plg are faggots with sub 3pl8 squats, our king twink ob would outlift 90% of you I'd wager
>>35716168
>>35715138
thanks, boys.
this is neat and all, but why am i so fucking weak? i should be squatting +150kg at my bw (83kg)
>>35719353
Might be a confidence thing. Getting under heavy weight can be spooky, and if you go into a heavy set thinking it's too heavy, you're just not going to lift it. Your snatch suggests you should be able to do at least 135kg.
more vyacheslav training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuWGMjvtYI
>>35719886
his dad needs to chill the fuck out
>>35698600
owg i need your help.
can i do a full static stretching routine 6/7 hours prior to my competition?
i usually train better in the evening when i stretch in the morning but that's almost 10 hours apart.
i will compete tomorrow, pls respond
>>35717199
idk i'm trying to fix it
Hello
Could someone give me a form check on this 57kg c&j? It was a PR
http://youtu.be/4BBv0un2Xk0
>>35720590
seems like you have some good coaches.
keep doing what youre doing
>>35717945
No ,what?
What are the best shoulder mobility work and how long does it take to see results?
I can't overhead squat very well. Had a look at videos and articles online and have narrowed the problem down to my shoulders.
>>35720590
>tfw no oly gf
>>35718586
that's what warmup sets are for, where you can get your entire ROM ready
for oly lifting this is different because mobility is much more important there. but he was talking about deadlift, which is not oly and you need almost no mobility for it
show me a top tier deadlifter who does static stretching before
>>35717962
>That makes no sense to me
deadlift is a very taxing exercise. if you go too heavy, you will just hurt your body and progression in the long run, peak and then plateau or even decline
but hey, it's fine if you don't take my feedback to heart. everyone has different body and different preferences. but deadlift is where I excel at so clearly I must be doing something right when I am slowly closing in on the 300kg 1RM mark
>>35720031
It's his bro I heard
>>35718561
Anyone?
>>35719866
How can he not have confidence when he snatches 2 plates. I don't know about you but I feel way more fear doing the classics than doing heavy ass squats.
>>35721884
Different people are spooked by different things. I was plateaued on squats for months before I realized the problem was all mental. Once I was able to properly prepare myself for the heavy sets I started progressing again.
Then again, his cj is pretty low relative to his snatch. If the limiting factor is the clean, then a mechanical inefficiency might be to blame. He was also asking about weak glutes in the bottom position. It's really hard to say, given the brief acquaintance, but 'strengthen your posterior chain' is pretty vague advice, and should be done regardless.
>>35722305
The limiting factor is his leg strength. Those lifts with such a low back squat is pretty fucking good, so rather than dick about with perfecting form just eat and squat and the lifts will shoot up.
>>35715285
Play with snatch grip deadlifts -- and starting with your hips at varying heights -- to feel how all your muscles contribute to the movement. When you tighten up before the rep, it's helpful to imagine sitting back in such a way that you might fall if you weren't holding onto the bar.
But >>35716138 is right just keep on practicing and filming for a few weeks. You'll solve most of your own problems.
Those shoes look awful though, like you're standing on those silicon wrist-rests that go in front of computer keyboards. Consider deadlifting in socks.
hey guys please form check my squats. do i go down to hard? too much winkage of the butt? i felt pretty good when i was doing these but id like to know if i need to fix anything before i try hitting 4pl8 esquatito and snapping my shit up
>>35722457
>just eat and squat and the lifts will shoot up.
i think this may be the answer.
i did a Russian Squat cycle and PRd on all my lifts. this was during the summer when i was just working (easy job), training, sleeping, and eating. recovery was on point.
I took a week or two off (still lifting, just not squating as heavy) as deload, and started another cycle. i wasn't able to pr in the squat after that, although i did pr snatch.
school definitely got in the way, though. i'm an architecture student, so i had to forgo sleep often. that definitely affected recovery.
>>35719866
i don't think it's a confidence issue. i will readily dive under a heavy ass clean without hesitating. it's no matter, though, if i cannot bounce out of it.
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then, should I just keep trying to do the RSR? or should i look for a new program? I enjoy the RSR, don't get me wrong, but it's pretty demanding in terms of recovery. i'm a student, so it's hard to commit fully.
>>35723575
yah, a little too much winkage for my liking.
stretch your hips and glutes. if winkage continues, just stop slightly short, imo.
How can you guys do Oly lifts in a normal gym? Is it just not possible unless you go to a shitty cross fit gym?
>>35723963
i figured as much. were getting there.
thanks for the second opinion m8
>>35723992
not possible
>>35724000
looks good otherwise. stretch your psoas
>>35723575
you're locking out your knees so hard, that its hurting me.
really dude. stop locking your knees so aggressively
>>35714691
Why the fucking pop at the end?
>>35723575
Now try doing it without the rests.
>>35724233
habit? helps me get it into a better position for the jerk, i think
>>35723992
Well I lift in a commercial gym that has bumper plates and the PT and some of the staff there are OK with dropping the weights and what not as long as it's the bumper plates and that it is done in the "squat area". So I'm very lucky to be in a situation like that in a commercial gym despite nearly getting kicked out and losing my membership because some lady working out in the gym complained about me dropping weights.
In the end, what I'm trying to say is that from my experience it all depends on the owner/staff of the specific gym for commercial gyms because even if the different gyms are of the same franchise some maybe more relaxed or stricter than others in general or with following the franchise's policy. For example, I went to another gym that was part of the same franchise as the one I normally go to and that one didn't allow dropping of weights at all even with bumper plates.
>>35724250
You mean the press. I feel like its wasted energy trying to force a pop other than just a smooth front squat.
>>35724243
if you dont take a moment to breathe between sets youre going to either pass out or compromise your ab tightness and fuck your lower back up. nobody just does squats without a short rest at the top unless its baby weight
>>35724271
no, i mean the jerk... ?
might be slightly wasted energy. but it's worth wasting if it helps me get into a better jerk position.
of course, not standing into a ready position might be a technical error.
>>35719886
it seems like his contact with the bar is significantly further down his thighs than at the hip crease; anyone tried emulating this? i've been learning to snatch and i feel better with contact lower down and seeing yarkins lifts says to me that ultimately your strength, speed and repetitiveness is most important, at least up to intermediate levels; and i shouldnt worry about trying to look as smooth as lu, thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc1ZwHNixDo
-sigh-
*unzips pants*
time for another wank boys.
>>35724333
Lol. Nice rest sets bro.
>>35724334
So its not a clean and press. Ok. The pop makes sense. Lets you go from a loose front squat grip on the bar to a tight clean grip.
>>35724437
y..yeah..
You're all fat and dyel
>>35724469
/plg/ pls go
>>35724469
but how much do you snatch?
Vote Ilya and Tatiana best lifters forever!
http://www.iwf.net/best-lifters-2015/
>>35714597
Mine too
His LG photos are just fabulous
>>35724560
>lu xiaojun, Tian Tao and lovchev aren't even on there
it hurts bros
>>35724560
Deng wei is the best female lifter.
sorry
Where's the Mattie post? Ring Dem master form handstands
>>35724415
-sigh-
*unzips dick*
nothing personell kid
Your such faggots I swear you guys don't even bench or dead so you look like shit.
>>35725104
i do bench and deads and i still look like shit so
max lang is such a hottie
>>35720590
i can't tell from the angle but i think you go forward on the drive part of the jerk and end up with too much weight on your front foot
>>35724652
two pussies that bombed at worlds and a guy that is disgraced for drug use
>>35707706
that sounds awfully lawful to me
does anyone remember which of the yasha's thoughts were about how your body over compensates for weaker muscle groups? there was a section about squats and i think there was a video too
>>35725872
nevermind found it
>>35725891
Share link?
What's it about?
>>35725979
http://yashathoughts.com/mobility/
i really like it
its about how if you do things wrong you body will overcompensate with the muscles worked and not the optimal muscles
So I finally finished my 20 week powerlifting training, taking a fuck load of time off and I'm dedicating alot of it to working harder on oly, thought specifically on the clean, and if i can fix that up some I might spend some time giving my jerk some TLC.
Making a few webms and have a few questions for you all if you don't mind.
>inb4 getting flamed again :C
>>35726176
go for it
always makes me feel better about myself
>>35726176
so i spent the last week messing around with c&j, and i've been watching those torikhty videos over and over and over and trying to make connections with all the points he mentions in them, and i think a handful of the things you guys pointed out to me in the past have revealed themself to me.
This is what it looks like currently, and There's three HUGE things I see wrong with it.
1) back angle - back doesn't stay same angle throughout
2) starting position - I honestly am not sure what the starting position should be right now (i thought I did). I've been given advice that knee should start in front of the bar, and then come back simultaneously with hips to get into the position that i'm "trying" to get into (hips & knees back). is this true? is it more of a grey area?
on this same topic, i really understand why people told me previously to practice starting upright, then descending into the starting position. i felt a tightness i didn't know existed and realized a ton of mobility issues that i never noticed previously. any clarification between this point and the other point of #2 would be much appreciated.
3) most prominent - i'm not pulling through with my arms. Just today actually, i realized why every one told me muscle snatches and why/what torikhty was saying in his vids about them. I DIRELY need to drill it into my head to pull through instead of trying to front delt raise this shit.
my intuition tells me: FUCK loads of muscle snatches / cleans with the primary cue of hard internal rotation to keep the elbows up, but i would greatly appreciate any information on how to remedy this concept - I'm certain most of what i need to hear has been said to me before, but i'm afraid I just needed to hear it -> do it -> hear it again
also very welcome to any other criticisms if I could get them, please and thank you.
There will be a few more webm's incoming of trying to fix torso and starting position.
>>35726287
so I didn't record any of the "muscle snatches" I did today, but I did a shit load of them, then when i was in the middle of cleaning it came to me why it was being suggested as so important. So i did some more, forgot to record them.
Webm attached is my first time trying to feel out the bar path and where my hips are supposed to go. again, the big things are
>torso angle changing when its not supposed to
>not pulling through
>start position a shit
at least, in my limited understanding these are the biggest issues
>>35726327
and last one so as to not shit up thread, second attempt doing the slow stuff.
same as before really.
Just looking for advice for what to do to correct these issues
I assume:
>lots of slow bar only work stuff
>muscle snatches / cleans / clean pulls
>work on descending into the starting position to try and get it right
I could be very off thoguh and would love feedback.
Thanks, and /endspam
>>35726337
>>35726327
after writing everything I did, thinking about it and watching both of these again its embarrassingly apparent that I don't pull through at all and my hips are throwing the weight out in front of me.
jesus this is atrocious
>>35726287
>>35726327
>>35726337
you need to do no contact cleans/snatches in addition to muscle versions do those no contact as well for now, don't lean back and thrust your hips like you're doing to get the bar up, PUSH DOWN WITH THE LEGS
you're not using your legs at all just using your back and hip bumping the bar to get it up
the back angle isn't so bad, you're maintaining good positions, you can maybe try lowering your hips down so your torso is more upright in the start, but that's not a bad start position either
focus on using your legs for now and finish straight
https://www.instagram.com/p/8vSNzwIlKHG6miWe9PWWw-b2tv03DXLN6ICgs0/
try to look like that, straight up
>>35726438
>>35726358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTUVXq_ykI
notice how he doesn't throw his hips forward and how he finishes tall, you should do that
>>35726358
your arms are doing too much. as you can see it isn't a problem when the weight is light, but as you get heavier your arms cant possibly do what your legs and back can do.
i guess it would help right now if you don't try to be so explosive with light weights. slow it down, think about what youre doing
>>35726337
>>35726438
i forgot to mention bringing your hips down in the start would actually help in feeling your legs pushing down
>>35726358
do clean pulls and finish with your shoulders high and facing straight up like youre doing a lat spread
>>35726513
>shoulders
i meant elbows
>SN 4x1 @ 90-95%
>CJ 4x1 @ 90-95%
yall rdy for sum form check vids tomo!?!?!?!
>>35726630
who's writing programs now?
>>35726642
old coach that got popped, he's just not physically there coaching
>>35726287
can you upload this but 40 times slower
the biggest thing is the fucking swing holy shit
you're overdriving with your hips and pushing the bar with them instead of extending them straight up and using the power from the extending hips and the pull from your traps to bring the bar up
don't take a video of what you're doing alone because you don't know really know what you need to do
instead take a video and put it into a bar path app and compare it to what it should be
>>35726287
>>35726327
>>35726337
ahahah lmao this form holy shit what were you thinking
>>35724652
Why would they be there?
>>35726358
Don't think about getting hips to bar. Think about getting bar to mid thigh in clean (hip in snatch) and tbink of extending as just 'standing up hard' don't worry about what the hips do at this point, if its a no contact clean, fine, that will come as you learn to keep the bar close
'Push the floor away with legs' helps sometimes too
>>35720812
You tried Starret's?
Was yu jie ever a lifter? Ever a good lifter?
Is that kaz Dr guy a former lifter?
Do you need to be a good lifter to be a good coach? Do good lifters always make good coaches?
What you think oh dubya gee?
>>35708726
Jumping is good as a cue. It's different from person to person. For me jumping slightly and stamping with my feet feels good and I feel like I am more successful in my lifts when I do it. I don't understand why so many people shit on the jump and stamp cues.
>>35729754
Because for many new lifters they just try to make a stamping sound by picking their feet up higher... That isnt good. Like Everett says in his book, the noise should be a product of forceful replacement of the feet while keeping them close to the platform as possible, not from elevation of the feet
>>35727559
Take your bullying elsewhere buddy. You're not welcome here.
>>35729754
>>35729771
Everyone in owg is a fucking idiot
Stamp? Are you about to send some fucking letters
>>35730228
kek
>>35730234
How has your love life been going Olyboi?
Is Ilya considered great or is he just the best of a bad generation? His Snatch is awful compared to the others in his category
>>35730561
what a gay question lol
>>35730561
>Snatch is awful
are you fucking retarded? there's only a couple of people in his weightclass that can out snatch him, the ukraine dude who snatch 190 or 191 his teammate and maybe nurudinov
two of those won't even come close to his cj so it doesnt matter if they compete against him
he was also 3kg behind the wr in snatch when he was a 94
>>35730228
What did I just say m8? That stamping isnt good. I'm agreeing with you.
>>35730592
>>35730736
>>35730736
Mark my words senpai, Ilya's poor Snatch number will drag his total down at Rio and may lose him his 3rd Gold
>>35731103
>poor
His snatch wouldve put him joint first at world's, and his c&j is 16kg higher than the eventual winner.
>>35731173
Yeah but it's nowhere near someone like Aramnau's 200 or Akkaev who did like 210Sn/245C&J in training
>>35731250
>it's nowhere near the world record!
>9kg off after two years of moving up his weight class
>not snatch trening weight
Wow u suck Iyan nilyin
>>35730294
gr8 desu, gf is rad n makes me v happy.
gona b postan webms soon.
Been doing weightlifting a few weeks now
My overhead squat and snatch is fine mobility/flexibility-wise barring a little bit of wrist pain on my right hand that goes away after a couple sets
My Clean is still piss poor though because of my shit rack mobility ;_;
family I went to the weightlifting club fuck so hyped man i did an overhead squat and back squats/press, the coach told me to. they were very impressed with my technique and mobility. i then did 50kg ~5x5-6 paused back squat, presses before with just 30kg for like 3x6, then I did romanian deadlifts (my coach taught me oly style RDLs with no lockout) and then bent over rows, both of those killed my lower back with fatigue. so excited m8. going back tuesday and i'm going to be training saturday, tuesday thursday with a legit coach and going to become an OWA member probably and go to comps. you don't even fucking know how excited I am, fugg. and it only costs $60 a month, and he's flexible in the payment.
thank u, (overcoming anxiety really pays off fyi, i was feeling anxious for some reason, usually am not)
>>35732583
>going to become an OWA member
BRUH WHERE U AT
>>35732682
north bay
i'm the skinny fuck always posting form vids, coach is larry sheppard
the lifting hall is pretty cool. there's some powerlifters that lift there too and i think even a guy who does strongman. there's a guy there to get stronger/more mobile for fucking kite sailing or some shit. but there are plenty of actual weightlifters too
>>35732745
damn nice senpai, how old are you, junior still?
>>35732801
16, almost 17, have said it before
>inb4 underaged b&
mods dont even look at this thread and i can change my ip anytime i want, am above the law u see :^)
>>35732834
Why u so weak tho
My shit snatch at 75(95%) new kinda half coach basically told me my starting pos was garb, so i have to totally relearn that.
>>35732878
CJ lookin a lot better, changed my start position for these, much more upright, less jumping back and catching lower
@90kg
also weighed in at 66.0 after workout, noice
>>35732855
;;;((((
come on no buly :((:(:(:(:(:(:(::( kvkbkjejejejene
it's probably because i never gained any weight, and i often did some pretty stupid stuff in training, using more weight than i should of and just grinding out sets of not even 4 or 5 reps, i'm just not built for lifting that heavy all the time and I just burnt myself out and did more harm than good
e.g. i'd go for 185lbs on back squat, get 2 reps, then next time i lifted i'd load that up and just fucking fail, because i wanted to use big weights so soon, i let my ego get the best of me i presume and just cursed myself to forever lift babyweight
>>35732933
CAUSE YA GOTA FUCKIN EAT, i did the exact same fucking shit as you when i started, dont fuck it up anon
>>35732878
>>35732917
i am the weak cunt who has never even cleaned a plate but that does look a lot better. i remember you advised me to have my legs "stiffer" in the first pull of my clean to avoid it going around the knees, i just thought.. no. NOW U KNO how much u suck fgt dont ever coach people in my thread again unless you know what you're doing
>>35732955
wtf when did i suggest that, ive never commented on something about bar goin around knees
>>35732933
Bulk up son.
>>35732948
You should follow your own advice twinkboi.
No bully meant, i just find it funny how you all are skinny as fuck and lift light ass weight. Shouldnt yall tone down on the weightlifting training and just focus on squats and deadlifts?
>>35732948
>>35732948
yeah, i'm finally tracking calories again since i actully 2ant to fucking suceed and i'm seriously dedicating myself to suceeding in this sport. aiming for a min of 3K kcal a day, i get there most days. i'm skimping a little on protein, i eat a fuckton of carbs, but i think total calories > protein, i should really get both though, but i'm not doing too bad on the protein.
i gained a few pounds sinfe tracking foor again, but i can gaurantee it's all water weight.. i weighed in at almost 170lbs one morning and today i weighed in at 75.5 kilo. I plan to get to at least 77.5kg by the end of winter I think, I would like to be able to say I'm 80kg tbqh. I'll probably cut sometime come summer, if i'm not too fat i may not though. I plan for it to be a quick cut anyway, maybe just 2 weeks of a PSMF. but i'm getting ahead of myself. for now it's lift, eat, recover, stretch, and learn/get taught technique.
sorry for the text, am excited. i cant wait till tuesday
>>35733011
how tall r u
>>35733002
i am now that work isnt fucking my boipussy
>>35726727
Omg. There are bar path aps?!?
>>35726287
youre so shit why are you curling the bar you fat fuck
>>35731103
what ilya snatches 191 and can clean and jerk 246 plus, so far only one other lifter has done 242 and thats david and he missed it the second time
>>35732878
i often lose my snatches forward like that, how do i fix?
What do you guys think of Cal Strength?
I used to like them but watching it now the form of people like that Donnie Shankle guy looks soo sloppy to me
>>35733251
OB's miss was a combo of butt rising fast, not being patient in the pull, and levering the bar with the lower back a bit so far as I can tell. So don;t do those things.
>>35733323
levering the bar with the lower back?
>>35733323
all correct, along with starting too far over the bar
>>35733041
184cm/6 foot almost 1 inch (i fucking hate being a manlet..)
>>35733116
there's an application called something-icity that you can use to track bar paths, joint angles, slow down video, e tc for PC and shit. it's not bad
>>35733338
It's not as bad as some people I've seen but he's using his back to finish the pull jsut a little as opposed to driving straight up with legs.
>>35733360
Yeah you got it OB, I didn't see that till now. The issues I was listing are quite possibly a direct result of that, as I'm sure you know.
>>35732917
>tfw this skeletron CJ more than me
Atleast my squat is much stronger
>>35732917
im weighing 66 too, you still could be catching a lot lower
>>35733569
>>35733418
yup, basically all is correlated, basically just need to relearn how to use my legs.
>>35733491
what ya squat mate, n my max CJ is 103
>>35733569
oh i know that, its just better than before
So I am going to hop on 70s big transition.
I am going to run TM for squats (I'm thinking I'll make my light day a front squat day).
Would running TM on bench fuck me over for my two Oly days?
This is what I am thinking (asterisks are what I am adding)
Monday
Snatch
Clean and Jerk
Bench* volume
Tuesday
Back squat volume
Press (Push press instead?)**
Rows (Clean or snatch pulls instead?)**
Thursday
Snatch
Clean and Jerk
Front squat heavy triples*
Friday
Back squat* TM 5 RM
Bench* TM 5 RM
RDL
I will likely throw in some weighted dips and weighted chins/pulls as accessories. Going to do that by feeling
I think the benching may be a bad idea, but I like the idea of having a strong bench. I may just drop it and try to compensate with accessories.
Please help.me fix this up.
>>35732878
Why would you jump so far back, only to lose forward?
>>35733491
>>35733659
rekt
>>35732583
grill?
>>35733810
y-yeah :)
>>35732917
Why do you rest the bar so far away from your neck?
>>35733867
if i get it any closer i start to black out, idk ive found this spot the most comfortable.
>>35733659
I squat 180 beltless, my best CJ is 70kg lol
>>35733819
>girl
Get out.
>>35733954
First time ever trying though, and i dont have a coach. I think id do a bit better if i had someone walk me through the technique
>>35733912
But no lifter rest the bar that far away from their neck.
>>35733954
and i thought my ratios were shit 145(estimate off 130x3)BS and 103 CJ
and yeah coach can help lots
>>35726327
>>35726287
>>35726337
Instead of pushing the bar forward with the hips, propel it upwards, then shrug the bar instead of curling it (you need to place elbows under the bar FAST but after you shrug the bar). Your hips need to go back as soon as you made the explosive second pull. Have a mental image of bar going up in a perfect straight line, and whatever force you apply to the bar, try to exert it strictly upwards.
When I started I imagined the jump backwards as if you are trying to do the backflip, with the full extension. The second pull (where you get bar from hips to the shoulders rack) is a movement similar to that.
>>35733954
wat lmao
when I started I could BS exactly 180 kg and could could brute force the 110 kg bar overhead
>>35734281
i have shit shoulders, my best strict OHP is 70kg
>>35733971
you get out
>>35734319
Fuck off
>>35734319
>girl trying to get authoritative with me
fucking lol
Thank you all very much for the input. I practiced for ~2 hours (until i started noticing mental burnout and no more returns for time spent) today and I think I made some VERY significant gains in understanding and developing the skills necessary. I'm going to make a short(ish) youtube vid depicting the process I did today in case any of you cares enough to give me some more guidance, which would be great appreciated as well.
Thanks again m8s. I seriously appreciate the patience you all show me
>>35734332
>>35734340
you two fucking shitstains. I can one-hand snatch more than you bitches clean and jerk together. Your biggest accomplishment this year is bullying a girl in the internet. Go practice with a pvc pipe and don't return to owg until you can at least your bodyweight fucking curlbros
