Here's the latest academic review for the many here seeking closure about nofap/noporn.
http://www.mdpi.com/2076-328X/5/3/388/htm
>A large amount of research on the molecular explanation for addiction has emerged in the last decade, often focusing on the roles of CREB, DeltaFosB and glutamate
>fMRI studies confirmed that the putamen is activated during sexual arousal [265,266]. The authors suggested this lower volume may reflect tolerance brought about by desensitization: “This is in line with the hypothesis that intense exposure to pornographic stimuli results in a downregulation of the natural neural response to sexual stimuli”
>Incidentally, these researchers also reported that 60% of subjects (average age: 25 years) had difficulty achieving erections/arousal with real partners, yet could achieve erections with internet pornography. Note that this finding is in line with the actual results of a recent study purporting to find otherwise
>Doidge went on to explain how these neuroplastic changes build brain maps for sexual excitement. He introduced an additional component of tolerance, in that previously established brain maps for “natural” sexuality cannot compare to the newly developed and continuously reinforced maps generated by continued compulsive watching of Internet pornography, and thus the addicted individual progresses to more explicit and graphic Internet pornography in order to maintain the higher level of excitement.
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
I do NoFap and I can guarantee you that it will transform you into a God.
>>35668935
>fap to vanilla porn at least once a day
>can fap about 5x if weekend
>gf or no gf
>still get hard just by fondling gf
Either I'm a special snowflake, you're dating fatties, you're low test, or no porn is a meme
>cool anecdote bro
It's enough for me, thanks.
>>35668935
>The review leads to the conclusion that Internet pornography addiction fits into the addiction framework and shares similar basic mechanisms with substance addiction.
>Together with studies on Internet addiction and Internet Gaming Disorder we see strong evidence for considering addictive Internet behaviors as behavioral addiction.
There you go.
>>35668969
>311 citations
>nothing
The green text isn't meant as a substitute for the entire review.
>>35669021
>implying those 311 citations hold any merit
>>35669011
Very nice.
So what's the best amount of moderation? Every other day? I'm about 1x day right now.
>>35668935
I still do porn and fap, but I've been no cum for the past week. All of the benefits of high test included
>>35669047
I bet you support Trump too.
>>35669106
DUDE SOMEONE WROTE IT ON THE INTERNET IT MUST BE TRUE
>>35669083
>no cum
how's that working out for you
>lower volume may reflect tolerance
>this is line with the hypothesis
this seems pretty insubstantial
>60% of subjects (average age: 25 years) had difficulty achieving erections/arousal with real partners, yet could achieve erections with internet pornography.
This is like saying "60% of people reported failing to laugh at their significant others' jokes, yet could easily laugh at professional comedians on youtube."
>Is this a sign of internet comedy addiction?!
or perhaps the disparity in results you'd expect between an ordinary person and the top professionals in their field
>previously established brain maps for “natural” sexuality cannot compare to the newly developed and continuously reinforced maps generated by continued compulsive watching of Internet pornography, and thus the addicted individual progresses to more explicit and graphic Internet pornography in order to maintain the higher level of excitement.
previously established brain maps for "natural" levels of exertion cannot compare to the newly developed and continuously reinforced maps generated by continued compulsive strength training, and thus the addicted individual progresses to heavier and more challenging weights in order to maintain the higher level of stimulation.
>>35669106
No. I don't give a rat's ass about the presidential election.
>>35669155
Not bad actually, at first it was really difficult, but I started doing kegels and built up enough concentration to not accidentally spill my seed
You nofap fags are the most annoying people on /fit/.
No cum is the only path to godliness.
>>35669079
My go-to is fapping as much as i want, but to imagination only. In terms of erection strength with girls, or random day boners, I do quite well. The results are actually quite good, considering I have the test of a 70 year old man (I'm 32).
No fap kills my sex drive, porn kills my erection strength/frequency, but no porn gives me great results. ymmv
>>35668993
Holy balls
Are you my long lost twin
Fapping does nothing, watching shitloads of porn does, we've known this forever. Porn isn't healthy because you create unrealistic expectations. Fap to your hearts content though
>>35668935
>scientifically explain fetishism
>still pretend that faggotry isn't a choice
>>35669289
>Porn
>Not healthy
pick one
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/30/porn-addiction-_n_7696448.html
>New research suggests that there's one thing porn isn't, and that's addictive.
no-fap cucks blown the fuck out
>2015+1
>>35669325
Who said I was no fap, I just don't like porn because it gets boring so I look for weirder and weirder shit and that affects me in the real world because my expectations are skewed
>>35669239
This. Watch whatever you want, do whatever you want to your body. True strength comes from control
Fapping is healthy. Watching porn isn't. Quit the porn and just fap to your imagination. Takes a while but it works out.
>>35669374
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/30/porn-addiction-_n_7696448.html
>>35669374
Porn keeps me motivated. If you don't like it fine, but don't act all high and mighty
>>35669374
But porn motivates me to lift
>>35668993
>>35669283
I really think it's not a big deal to fap to softcore. Seems like way more of a problem to get into all sorts of highly specific shit that you won't find in real life.
>>35669453
This seems like a happy compromise
just fap to nudie images
Good luck, OP
I recently made a thread linking three separate peer-reviewed studies, all of which said that "bulking" (getting fatter to gain muscle) is completely useless and even counterproductive towards achieving muscle and strength gains
One of them even talked about bulking-cutting and said it was especially counterproductive
I linked them and said "Thoughts guys?"
I got called a faggot in 8 different languages and got broscienced and circunstancial-evidenced to hell and back
Don't forget that 95% of the people here have been lifting semi-seriously for around a year and already know more than most scientists and doctors
You tried, OP, you were brave.
You tried.
>>35668935
should be fapping once every 5 days
>>35669481
If you don't have results all of the scientific papers in the world won't make a difference.
>>35669481
topkek
>>35669607
Surely it couldn't be because your stupid ass is doing something else wrong, it must be because the scientists and doctors don't know shit compared to you and the experience and studied training evolution of thousands of very different people don't apply at all to you.
>>35669481
I tried "bulking" once and not much changed
just eating a bit above my BMR and lifting hard has consistently produced gains for me so I'll go ahead and give you that anecdote
>>35669392
> huffington post
> creddable source of inforamtion
>>35669645
Gains don't lie. I haven't needed a scientist to help me with lifting yet and I've been fine.
>>35669740
Good for you! Enjoy your completely useless overeating-undereating autism cycles!
>>35669595
MOAR
PAPERS
N'
SHIET
The more I lift the less I want to fap, but I'm getting raging NRBs now. Wat do?
But how much do these dudes lift? Lifting increases your sex drive.
>>35669823
I've kind of experienced the opposite
lifting gets rid of my sexual frustration
>>35669839
you're a gay if you don't want to rape a teenage girl after a hard workout with a full pump
anyone whos been addicted to porn knows this shit
you need more and more extreme shit just to even get hard
>>35669866
It puts me at total mental peace honestly
helped me with some rough years back in high school
>>35669866
Yeah, that's the only possible reason.
>>35669325
>psychtoday
>huffpost
Please try and keep up young one
>>35669325
>psychologytoday
>huffingtonpost
yeah, this study and it's citations prove nothing, the citations are anecdotal, the method is flawed and with no subject size, it's impossible to come to an accurate conclusion. Misleading at best, outright lying at worst
>>35669645
>thousands of people
are you making that number up? The studies I see quoted on here are usually a sample of 10 or something like that.
It sounds like you think too highly of scientific studies altogether.
>>35669106
>le Bernie XD
>>35669866
Replace the girl with a boy, and the notion of such desire will make you branded a pervert.
So why is it okay when done to girls but not okay when done to boys?
Hint: A man does not allow his sexual desires to overpower him or cloud his judgement. So how much of a man are you?
If you were joking, sorry for lashing out on you. But I assume you were not.
>>35669668
>just eating a bit above my BMR
that isn't what is meant by bulking, no-one is suggesting eating in a slight caloric surplus is counter-productive to adding mass.
>>35670064
Don't be so insecure, he's joking
I'm assuming you're a woman
>>35670064
> A man does not allow his sexual desires to overpower him or cloud his judgement.
>>35669481
Anecdotal evidence coming through...
I always stayed at a relatively low level of body fat while lifting. Did this for a few years. I enjoyed being aesthetic but decided if I truly wanted to build muscle I'd just dedicate myself to a full and proper bulk. I just got fat. Strength went up and I looked bigger but much softer. When I cut down I realized I gained no muscle. Now I'm staying lean again and my strength is back up again to when I was fat.
>>35668935
here's my take on nofap:
>if i have a wank and i have sex with my gf in the next two-three days, i can't come
>when i don't wank, i come 2-3 times a night
>cumming from sex is better then cumming from wanking
simple business
>>35668935
nofap/noporn never worked for me lol. went to the beach with the girl i liked and rubbed lotion on her back and i got an insta boner.
>>35670086
He's kind of right though. Besides wanting to have sex with young boys. If you do anything for pussy then I think it's fair to say you're not much of a man
Everyone in this thread most likely has much more serious issues than this.
>>35669167
>This is like saying "60% of people reported failing to laugh at their significant others' jokes, yet could easily laugh at professional comedians on youtube."
Yeah dude. Sexual dysfunction is completely normal. It's really not a sign of depression or anything because you can get off on cucking yourself to sissy caption rape fantasy porn while stabbing at your prostate with a dragon dildo. Nothing suspicious at all about the relationship between porn habits and sexual function. All those people posting about having recovered from a numb dick after taking break from porn? That's crazy talk. They must be liars. Keep on death gripping.
Your poorly thought out analogy rests on the assumption that these people are not sexually attracted to their partners. There's reason to think that be the case, but then again you have an abnormal lifestyle to defend. I really shouldn't have to explain this, but cucking yourself to a video of two people having sex, due to anorgasmia, instead of sex are two different forms of sexual stimuli. Masturbating to your own sex tape would be likened to the professional comedian premium experience while internet porn are the pleb jokes.
>or perhaps the disparity in results you'd expect between an ordinary person and the top professionals in their field
Or habit forming behaviour is caused consistent repetition in response to a certain stimuli due to new synaptic connections being formed and made stronger. This can lead to negatively impacting delayed gratification and searching out novel forms of the stimuli as seen with food or gambling addictions. Having a background in neurobiology, and understanding the mechanism involved, makes this review much less controversial than it needs to be.
>>35670136
and this is a problem??
Dude are you some autistic sperglord who can't fuck a girl in a public place?
>>35670086
If you're going to try to discredit critics of mindless hedonism with fedora memes, you better do the same with people who fat-shame, slut-shame, and whatever other deadly sin that anyone with an ounce of self-respect and willpower would shame.
>>35670520
Please don't be real
>>35670520
Why hate on hedonism
>>35670064
>>35670520
this faggot cant take the bants.
are u tht prude femanon from the other thread?
>A large amount of research on the molecular explanation for addiction has emerged in the last decade,
Research has emerged, that sounds official - this must mean [insert conclusion here]
>fMRI studies confirmed that the putamen is activated during sexual arousal
They did fMRI studies, that also sounds official (and objective) - this must mean [insert conclusion here]
>The authors suggested this lower volume may reflect tolerance brought about by desensitization:
One thing is as you would expect it to be if these assumptions are true - this must mean [insert conclusion here]
>“This is in line with the hypothesis that intense exposure to pornographic stimuli results in a downregulation of the natural neural response to sexual stimuli”
they found one thing in line with their hypothesis - this must mean [insert conclusion here]
>Doidge went on to explain
So, the series of really tangential and ambiguous "evidence" is topped off by a "true believer" telling you how to interpret the evidence. That's a pretty standard technique for these articles, it isn't scientific. It's impressive if you're overly naive in your trust of "authority", if you lack critical thinking skills of your own or if you're emotionally invested in the outcome - in short if you look only at the surface of the article without analysing it skeptically.
>>35670575
Because its ultimate and prioritized end, happiness, is constantly perceived as fleeting due to the illusion of the ego. It's not sustainable. It is more beneficial long-term to be content with the impermanence of life. You'll forget about that vodka you drank on the weekend, but you won't forget about those lost gains after. It beats having a society full of narcissistic beasts willing to whore out their worth for a transient high.
>>35670109
From now on, when people post anecdotes they should indicate if they have a foreskin or not.
I am pretty sure the dysfunction of chronic masturbators has more to do with wear.
>>35670049
Any "study" you've seen with 10 participants is not a study. Studies have way more by rule. Don't make shit up anon.
>>35669249
This is fucking gold, thanks. Will start tonight.
Fuck no fap, I go insane if I can't fap.
I don't watch porn, I masturbate over pictures of girls I know in real life over Facebook etc. Therefore any of this stuff about how porn makes you addicted to certain types of sexual stimuli doesn't affect me.
What I want to know is whether frequent masturbation, 2 or 3 times a week, does anything to the actual piping, whether your urethra or testicles or semen are negatively affected. I know it helps to prevent prostate cancer.
>>35668935
No porn is a meme, the only time I tried to do for a month the results were terrible.
If you need to fap more than once a day you're not doing it right.
>>35669167
This, also HOW MANY "subjects" are we talking about?
>>35671016
But if you find out you get most happiness from gains and healthy lifrestyle and moderate alcohol , and follow that path because it gives you happiness , how is that not hedonism?
>Finished my masters degre
>Girls cannot resist me anymore
>They orgasm whenever i make eyecontact
>Matter now bends to my will
>i can travel through space and time
These 10 minutes of nofap has been really great, think im gonna go masturbate soon though.
>>35669325
Seriously, it seems to me that noporn is invented by mediocre looking girls that hope that guys will get so horny that they'll fuck anything that moves and has a hole.
>>35671016
>Because its ultimate and prioritized end, happiness, is constantly perceived as fleeting due to the illusion of the ego
See image
>It's not sustainable
Depends on who you are
>It is more beneficial long-term to be content with the impermanence of life.
Unless something very bad suddenly happens
>You'll forget about that vodka you drank on the weekend, but you won't forget about those lost gains after.
Shitty argument, I'll forget missing one workout for sure but that party with that vodka could be a great time and create great memories
>It beats having a society full of narcissistic beasts
Unless you're one of the beasts
If you're gonna browse 4chan while being underage at least don't post
>>35671078
>I don't watch porn, I masturbate over pictures of girls I know in real life over Facebook etc.
I must be the only one who's always found this 100 times more creepy than fapping to the weirdest japanese tentacle porn. Seriously. I would never be able to do this.
>>356699740
>It puts me at total mental peace honestly
I feel exactly the same.
>>35671199
Drunk girl texted me if i have ever masturbated thinking about her or her photo's
> I-I DON'T think you are that kind of girl , i think you are not that type of..
> incoming 20 nudes
Girls expect us to be dirty about them , they just don't want us to be autistic and say it out loud
>>35669481
>I recently made a thread linking three separate peer-reviewed studies, all of which said that "bulking" (getting fatter to gain muscle) is completely useless and even counterproductive towards achieving muscle and strength gains
Tell me more oh wise anon
I am currently bulking for the first time, but I saw it more as "just eating loads to make sure you hit your protein requirements and calorie surplus for growth" instead of literally just getting fat to build muscle. Is there a distinction?
>>35671199
Yes, I suppose you could say I'm something of a sexual freak. I can't get a good fap from watching two strangers fuck, but imagining myself fucking this person I know in real life is much more titillating. Especially since I could very likely pull them if I bothered to.
>>35671311
tl;dr If you hit slightly over your BMI and you meet your protein requirements (see sticky) you're good to go
>>35671199
are you gay?
>>35671374
No I just find that my imagination works better than pics of people I know with their friends and family
>>35669083
cheers, enjoy your prostate damage
>>35670772
Enough with the sophomoric faggot speak. It`s like I`m reading my forum posts from when I was 16.
You haven`t provided an argument. Oh! You don`t like how a few of the snippets sound out of context. My apologies princess, but they're not meant to replace the entire review. You should try reading it all and not get too irate at the existence of negative feedback mechanisms.
>it isn't scientific.
It's published in a peer reviewed and international journal. Even if you disagree you better a provide quality rebuttal like this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115160/
I used to not believe in NoFap. I was homeless, paraplegic, and I had lost an eye in a fight.
After one month of NoFap, I now live in a mansion, I'm regaining feeling in my limbs, and my eye is growing back.
>>35669106
Ah what a pretentious thing to say. I hope you don't say dumb shit like this in real life.
>>35669106
>>35670061
>1984+32
>still believing there's a difference between the republican and democratic parties
>>35671539
It's more about being able to look a girl in the eye without imagining her being facefucked.
So I used to never be able to finish during sex, but I solved that problem with weed, so. Still get to fap, fucking is even better than ever. Fuck all y'all.
>>35668935
The progression part is when I started figuring there was something to porn and the brain. By the end I couldn't cum unless I wa watching white chicks cucking with black guys.
For the nofap people, it isn't the fapping that's the problem. It's the actual porn. Feel free to fap away from your imagination.
>>35671137
I'm discussing hedonism within the context of addiction and gratuitous self-indulgence. It's really not that difficult to see what I'm getting at. This isn't the LSAT.
Valuing a balanced lifestyle is healthy regardless how you personally feel. Progress cannot be made, if we do not accept short-term discomfort in making long-term gains, and it's never guaranteed that those gains will maximize happiness in the future.
Happiness can be paradoxical: always chasing it will make you a miserable slave to the whims of the monkey mind.
>>35671180
>Shitty argument, I'll forget missing one workout for sure but that party with that vodka could be a great time and create great memories
The statement illustrates impermanence. This is controversial to no one familiar with cognitive behavioral therapy Ah fuck it. You're unable to have a discussion without being a little douchebag.
>If you're gonna browse 4chan while being underage at least don't post
gr8 b8 m8
>>35672112
Correct. Both parties want to blast you in the ass.
>>35668935
What does that have to do with nofap?
>>35672241
>it isn't the fapping that's the problem.
I've looked into this movement a little more maybe than the average /fit/izen, and in my experience it very much is about masturbation itself as well.
>>35669325
I wonder what book she is reading
>>35669325
>>35670011
Maybe you both should keep up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html
>>35668935
>>35669325
>>35669392
>>35669595
It's pretty underwhelming that masturbation studies still primary ejaculation as a central role. Protip: ejaculation and orgasm are separate processes that don't rely on each other.
>>35671016
You should realize that cultivating great feelings leads to more of them. That's how training functions. Better results.
ever notice how these threads are complete sausagefests
>>35672388
>cultivating great feelings leads to more of them.
Not in dispute. Pic related.
You should reread the first sentence carefully.
>>35668935
>Incidentally, these researchers also reported that 60% of subjects (average age: 25 years) had difficulty achieving erections/arousal with real partners, yet could achieve erections with internet pornography.
maybe because they've been fucking the same "real partner" for 6 years and it gets old. nofap is for retarded redditeurs.
pic related, one of the hordes of retarded reddit-transplant nofappers spouting pseudoscience on fit
>>35672497
Then, what that post was implying is unfounded.
If you don't feel more happy now than you ever have, it's your fault.
>nofap thread
welp time to fap
>fast forward 20 minutes
>close 7 tabs
1am gym session isn't happening now
thanks willpower
I don't care if it's beneficial or not. I do it for self control.
>>35672497
>that pic
"To regard states of distress in general as an objection, as something which must be abolished is the greatest nonsense on earth; having the most disastrous consequences, fatally stupid - almost as stupid as a wish to abolish bad weather - out of pity for the poor." - Nietzsche
>>35672524
Gonna keep posting more just to spite you for that dumbass lazy reply.
>>35668993
>>35669283
Triplets brahs. Fap once a day to regular porn and have sex few times a week with gf. Get a raging boner just by looking at gfs ass or feeling her warm skin on my body
>>35669325
i feel like huffpost is like the most un-creditable site ever
they always seem too pass untested truths as fact
>>35672599
>appeal to extremes
>>35670011
>>35670028
>>35672652
>as if they don't list sources
>>35672668
I haven't read Nietzche but he's right if I interpret his meaning properly - you need some bad to appreciate the good. To drift from one pleasure to the next is not true happiness. Having achieved something good through toil is when you are to be happy, like when God looked upon his creation and saw he created something good, and was thus happy.
This point should be particularly easy to understand as someone who kills them self in the gym to feel better in the long term
I always found that the closer the porn is to real life, as in my real life, the hornier i get. i think that's pretty healthy. Of course, i've been watching porn since i was 14 and it has both shaped and taught me ways of having sex. It can't be that bad can it?
>>35668935
Honestly, if this is real, and fapping is as bad for sexual reproduction as all the studies suggest, then we should definitely do more of it.
Think about it, sexual reproduction leads to humans with tons of frailties that were carried over from all the eras of being stupid monkeys. This is 2016, and we still can't understand our own programming, are plagued by death, and constantly require social structure to foster trust. Meanwhile, for the first time in history, we're inventing smarter and better computers daily that have none of these weaknesses. As a species, we definitely should just fap to porn, and otherwise dedicate or energy to perfecting the ai. That way, our descendants can be perfect machines purged of the frailties of the stupid monkey in all of us.
>>35668935
>http://www.mdpi.com/2076-328X/5/3/388/htm
>we found that there may be porn addiction similar to substance addiction
>more research is necessary
wow it's fucking nothing
sage for bullshit
> compulsively and chronically watches Internet pornography
> pornography addiction
> compulsive sexual behavior (CSB)
this whole line of argument against any pornography because you MIGHT become an addict maybe is retarded.
don't drink a glass of champagne at your daughters wedding, you MIGHT become an alcoholic!
>>35672320
>huffingtonpost
Eh... You're not even trying man
>>35672421
>I come to 4chan to chat with girls
>>35672678
>as if they don't twist the actual info out of context
Seriously. Read their sources in full. You'll find that they correlate horribly with the article
>>35671117
this desu senpai
>>35669607
>>35669645
this
people always point to scientists as if they absolutely know everything there is to know on a subject without understanding how much drama and outright bad research goes on in the scientific community.
id trust /fit/ over what some skeleton labcoat says
>>35673070
ahh fucked up
was referring to >>35669607,>>35669740
>>35673022
The sources have already been analyzed and criticized for being sloppy. I believe they"re mentioned in OP'S link as well.
He's just proud of himself because he found a fresh link that he exercise confirmation bias is. Most of the people saying an entire scholarly review have relevant no scientific background. I already posted what a better criticism of porn addiction looks like, even though is misunderstands the role of transcription factors.
I've watched porn and fapped daily for 10 years now. I can still fap to softcore stuff or imagination. I've only one or two times had problems getting hard but that was with a girl I really was starting to dislike and was about to break up with her.
>>35672697
>He's right
He can't be proven wrong. But if you're using Biblical examples, there's no reason to suggest paradise is any less than bliss. There's an infinite amount of potential. Why pretend that you deserve any less?
>>35672962
You having nothing more to post than that suggests you're not even trying. There's no real method of fucking up that study. This is the problem with posting dank memes -- having no idea.
