The cheating frauds general for the discussion of steroid stuff generally
Old thread >>35626969
>we need to remember to make threads edition
>tfw no qt gf to pin you edition
steroids are for enhanced manlet faggots
>>35635257
Hi you were nice and quick today
What's the point of juicing if you're not competing in either powerlifting, bodybuilding and so on?
Pizza is such a good idea.
>>35635267
Because I was low test but not low enough to get TRT
I feel great by the way
>>35635269
is it though?
https://xkcd.com/1616/
noob here
I only have access to stanozolol.
Would it be a good beginner cicle if I did 2ml per week, while cutting? there is no sticky for steroids, so I don't know... I'm dyel skinnyfat mode, I was a soccerfag.
If not, what should I rather do (keep in mind, I have never used steroids and I only have access to stanozolol, and I'm skinnyfat as fuck now).
>>35635344
Go to reddit, no joke the wiki is great
>>35635286
Yes.
>>35635251
I'm about to start testosterone cypionate. I've had low T since puberty and it took until I was 20 to get it fixed. I'm very excited.
Hi /fraud/
5'11 330 king of fatlets here, 385x1 dl, 315x2 squat 295x1 bench and 205x1 ohp.
Considering using clen for weightloss.
When it comes down to dieting, I always struggle and end up stopping counting calories. I tried to do it counting portions and that worked for a while but I stopped too. I am going to start counting portions again.
I workout 4x a week at least so I'm active, it all comes down to diet.. I'm always afraid i won't eat enough to maintain my muscle mass
Please advise me on the matter (clen or not?I tried eca but felt nothing, probably didn't do it properly), I'm at a loss here, my depression is coming back and I don't want to stop losing weight.
Apologies for English, not my native language
>>35635251
i accidentally liked a girl i'm acquainted with on okcupid. she was wearing facepaint so i really didnt know it was her. then i was looking at her summary and it said her name was taylor and i realized it and i was like oh fuck. the next time she logs on she could see i liked her. but i didn't un-like her just in case she sees i liked her and messages me, and the miniscule probably of that is still balanced by the happiness i would have if it happened.
dating websites make me want to kill myself
Got a question... i'm on legit TRT sust250 e2w planning on blasting 600 test-e 12weeks and 4weeks dbol..... now my docter test every 6 months my plan is to start the blast right after he takes my bloodtest so that would mean 3 months on cycle 3 months on TRT would bloods be normal again then ?
>>35635100
so it's a waste of money? Are SARMS just a waste of money? I want some of the benefits of roid without much of the sides they're too much for my boipussy
>>35635559
Just roll with it. That's not bad at all.
My ex just went on a date with my fuckbuddy's ex. She said he was lame though and he didn't make a move. I was railing my fuckbuddy within 30 minutes of having met up. Lmao
>>35635684
Sarms are legit. You will get real results from sarms.
>>35635738
for the time being I just want to be lean while keeping what gains I have. Is cardarine worth my shekels?
>>35635644
Should be fine
>>35635543
Nice enjoy
>>35635754
Cool thanks
One more question should i used 0.5 arimidex ED on cycle to go against bloat and gyno ?
Cycle will be 600test 12 weeks and first 4 weeks 30dbol ed
>>35635776
That's a lot of Adex. Feel it out.
>>35635750
Imo the only thing it's useful for it endurance gains, cardio wise.
>>35635551
Use some self control first please
>>35635796
I guess I'll be keeping my shekels, thanks
>>35635350
Is 2ml per week too little dosage tho?
Or is it enough to get some gains while in a cut? I just want a break from the skinny fat dilemma
>>35635817
Here I Googled it just for you
https://www.steroid.com/Winstrol.php
http://winstrolresults.com/winstrol-only-cycle/
Next time use your basic search functions before ask easily searched questions
>>35635551
Diet properly and you will be fine. Clen is not as useful as people say it is for weight loss
>>35635807
Yeah, that's not a sarm either. Useful sarms imo are s4, lgd-4033 and ostarine. Mk677 is not a sarm but also lumped in and very useful
How should I buy gear online? Are there any reputable vendors you guys suggest?
>>35635925
If Yolodrol pops in he will shill his mate who is good. Look at reddit sst or the dark Web but it has been a touch dodgy lately
>>35635936
What do you mean touchey dodgy? Bad shit or legal risks?
>>35635943
Scams more than anything but a mixture of all
Better trying to find a local source off reddit sst imo
>>35635960
Kk thanks senpai
i got winny for 10w, test for 15w and dbol for 5w. I cant wait to finish this cut and this oxy elite before juicing up.
What length is a good length for a 600mg a week tren e cycle? I'm wondering if my idea is too short.
>>35635866
Get tired of folks saying things like "clen's not that great/useful/etc." It's not useful if your diet is shit and everything else about you is shit.
This is my number one PITA for this new steroid culture that evolved with that piece of shit zyzz... a bunch of lazy fucking parasites shooting themselves with underdosed couple with eating and training like shit, then crying that nothing works.
Once upon a time gear was actually accurately dosed, used by people who understood their goals, and new how to feed themselves and train with correct intensity. Over the space of about 16 years I've watched it become nothing more than the male version of a cosmetic counter for a bunch of fat, insecure faggots.
Most cunts here wouldn't even know what adequately dosed gear feels like, nor would you have to use up to 1g per week to see results.
Fuck all of you.
>>35636260
Are you 16 or you've been roiding for 16 years? Either way you sound like a bitch. You either too old or you too young. Get to stepn.
>>35636260
lol at your rant
Firstly he said he doesn't diet so telling him not to use clen and focus on diet is what I said and from what you said what you think he should do too
And you must be new here we often talk about how much better good gear is than other shit. Key example is vet tren vs China tren or pharma AI vs shit AI
So fuck you and get the fuck out
>>35636260
Your anger is misplaced, many of us might be young but we still suffer the feels
>>35636260
go back to meso
>>35635344
How the fuck do you get winny but can't get test? Like fuck.
PSMF shed some body fat, test + dbol, bulk with good nutrition, drop dbol at week 6, keep on the test for longer.
>>35635551
Is that you fatlifts?
>>35635684
SARMs work, specifically, LGD-4033 works well, there's some stronger shit that's had research done on it too, but not available on the grey market.
LGD on it's own didn't prevent much fat gain, but lifts go up, volume way up, gains faster, etc.
Depends where you live re the money thing, here in Ausland, LGD is good value vs roids, as roids are much more expensive. In the U.S. it may be more expensive than a simple test cycle.
is this theard kill?
>>35636723
Farmer killed it months ago
dumbbell benching feels healthier but my db bench is weak as fuck
i can lift much heavier with a barbell
and my chest is lagging
what should i do? would my chest be bigger if i did barbell since i can lift heavier weights with it?
brazilian chic does a lot of weird chit in bed
including some sort of reverse missionary position
i'm on my back and she's in between my legs fucking my cock
tfw it seems like a lady boy is fucking me when i look down
it's kinda weird how shameless she is about sex
"i want to meet you tomorrow for sex"
>gets in my car, grabs my dick, asks me if i'm ready for hard fucking
wut
>>35636816
>>35636842
You said the same thing almost word for word last week
>>35636723
Nah its in that weird couple of hours between Aussies going to bed and the USA getting up
Plus it's a weekend so people are out doing shit and sleeping in ect
>>35636885
thats how you know its the real jm
that nigger is stuck on repeat
>>35636912
Yep the dent is hitting the replay button on his brain
Anavar for the first 4 weeks while Test E activated my almonds ?
Also who else enjoys pinning ? Can't wait for monday
>>35636508
FatLifts is 6'2 not a manlet
>>35637011
why not towards the end?
>>35637019
>6'2"
>not a manlet
Pick one.
>>35636799
flat bb bench + heavy weighted chest dips + incline bb bench
I lift and program pl style and my chesticles are still pretty decent, bench is 375 and I do 3x8 4plate chest dips
wider grip arched pl style benching is also going to be safer and better for your shoulders, you don't over-rotate your humeral heads so your rotator cuffs stay happier
>>35637187
yolo I've got some Axio stuff you might be interested in. What you're using and what you should be using, short esters though. About 5 vials of each I think. You interested? Where can I get you at?
>>35636885
It's okay. It's the first nigress he didn't have to pay to fuck since babymama and will probably be the last for a long time.
>>35637036
Was thinking that as well but would it do anything towards the end ?
>>35637187
Aloha
>>35637219
Yeah bro I think we spoke sources way back. I got rekt so I'm sitting on stuff I'm not really interested in until I can lift again.
Looking to trade though, mast or moola
>>35637250
Stingey jew
>>35637266
Yup. Chilled with any type of exchange
>>35637268
white + saffa = hard up, breh
>tfw you realize cycling is just as likely to cause permanent shutdown eventually
>>35637298
>>35637266
Booped
>>35637298
You want to email? Not sure if we'll get banhammer for talking about these legal peptides and prohormones. Got a disposable?
Just checked stock, it's not as much as I thought. Will give more deets
Rich is pinning his delts.
Seems unlikely he would pin through collagen or synthol.
Rich confirmed for greatest 3D delts?
>>35637354
i very much doubt those are pin marks
looks more like acne
>get some ON! casein chocolate protein
>slow digesting shit means I can actually drink shitloads of soymilk + casein shakes and fully utilize it, unlike whey which you just piss out even with grams of roids
Fuck me mates, this shit is so thick and chocolatey and gooey!
It's like drinking a frosty milkshake, except you get 400 calories and 55g protein instead of shitloads of fat.
>>35637368
>soymilk
Hope your running an ai with that
>>35637368
>400 calories
>just 55g of brotein
That's shit. For that many calories I can get 100g of protein
>>35637366
Yeah i agree, every place i pin has nothing like that. Ive been pinning my quads only for like 2months and theres nothing on them. Thats acne.
>>35637354
Acne confirmed
My spots usually go blueish
Haven't dieded yet
>>35637354
I've been sorta skimming through these and all I've learnt is what shitty fast food I should order if I ever go to the states.
>>35637345
You sure this is the address? Getting permanent failure warning.
>>35637384
Kek
I'm 18. What would happen if I started a cycle of 350 grams of test for 12 weeks and then cycled off forever?
>>35637515
350 grams of test. heh
so 30 grams per week?
>>35637521
No I mean 350 grams a week for 12 weeks.
Would my test levels be ruined for forever?
>>35637560
i think you would die desu
>>35637499
same, think I got it though. take a look
>>35637515
Kek 350grams
Its mg dude, and why would you do 350? Either do a cruise dose or a full blast
Plus there is no point for you to juice at this age
Stats ?
>>35637560
Bloods look a little unstable, might need to make sure you run a good ai.
>>35637560
You'd gain some mass, then lose a little bit of it + have to wait for you hpta to recover.
Is there any way I can reduce the chances of having girls? I really don't want to have daughters like really really bad
>>35637292
>>35637639
Site ?
>>35637292
Not if you do it the proper way.
>>35637682
>>35637682
kek
>>35637384
>fraud general
>not taking AI
duhhhhh
>That's shit. For that many calories I can get 100g of protein
don't exaggerate you faggotlord.
Yeah I can eat chicken breast or ham and get 80-90g protein per 400 calories, but that shit is nasty.
>>35637706
what is the part under his jaw muscles and behind his chin? the skin flap
also those hair roots
>2016
>not using an epilator
>>35637711
Well 81g per 400 calories which is still better
Check out Lean Whey by ON
watched phenomena and labyrinth yesterday, jennifer connelly is such a qt
>>35637726
She did a nude scene
>>35637706
don't make me do it
>>35637716
Probably..hmm..fluid?
>>35637748
please don't attack my feeble mind, with your exceptional grammar
I want to be hardcore but my joints wont let me
>>35637762
Enjoy your osteoporosis
>>35637761
I need to actually screencap some of those rants so I save myself time and effort
guys I'm ambivalent
I'm trying to reconcile conflicting views on b&c vs cycling
what do you guys personally do?
>>35637729
I know but I tried to not think of her double ended dildo scene
>>35637706
how long do you plan to be on steroids?
>>35637677
bump. I don't want daughters that will get raped by muslims or fucked for for a week by chad then will leave her when he get bored
>>35637840
>>35637682
Zyzz had a heart condition plus he was fucking hookers and sniffing coke
If not for all the stims and coke he would be alive
>>35637866
no everything has to do with that he was bnc and not cycling
>>35637668
not him but i thought hpta shuts down permanently? Or only with larger doses?
>>35635866
clen is tops m8
150mcg Clen + 50mcg of T3 alongside a cruise dose of test will get you gnarly lean pretty quick
>>35637953
should i do 2 weeks on 2 weeks off clen?
or build a longer cycle for lets say 6 weeks.
going up to 120mcg
ay guys find a pic on /tv/ that will put you on a list if you click it, want to see it?
>>35637981
I didn't want to save the pic but here it is >>64948523
>>35637780
You could do that breh. Way more efficient.
All that precious time. s.m.h.
>>35637836
I'am not on steroids atm.
Or do you mean how long i'am planning to run cycles?
>>35637903
jesus fucking christ
PERMANENT AND TOTAL GONADAL SUPPRESSION FROM LONG TERM AAS ADMINISTRATION IS A MOTHERFUCKING MYTH
>>35637971
Always 2 weeks on 2 weeks off or maybe 1 week off 2 weeks on depending how fast you feel that you recovered. Clen loses its effect if you stay on longer than 2 weeks and just makes it a waste of money and stress on your cardiovascular system for no added benefit
>>35638035
thanks, gonna see what happens.
>>35638035
if you're natty
You forget we have the added benefit of external stimuli for those receptors with all the steroids we use
>>35637971
run gear and T3 and you can continue for however long, but if you need it for 6 weeks you're not lean enough to be requiring it IMO
im the guy that got gyno surgery yesterday
i take off my bandage and compression vest in 4 hours.
i am fucking scared beyond belief at seeing the results.
>>35637560
You will gain some muscle, your best bet for 350 grams would be acquiring raws and then making your own oils, because it will be very expensive to buy from a regular store or dealer
>>35638067
post before after when ready
>>35638047
Explain me how steroids in any way speed up resensitisation of beta receptors..
>>35638003
yes
>>35638011
>GONADAL
Legit never seen tay word wrote down before
>>35638011
explain yourself
>>35638047
How come you nearly deded?
>>35638143
He tried Wealthy Violin's new years blast.
>>35638160
Is Wealthy violin another name for poor tambourine?
>>35638180
Are you talking about Affluent Percussion?
>>35638191
I think so yeah, He goes by the name Plush Flute?
>>35638106
Hmm, time will tell probably.
If my muscle dysmorphia tells me to stop.
It's easier to quite if you're cycling imo.
Cant imagine how you feel when you come off, after years of bnc.
I thought JM comes off after 3 years of bnc. not?
So I am somewhat seriously considering giving sterioids a shot. Have been in not horrible but not fantastic shape in the past (like 115kg 5x3 squat/deadlift at 80kg) and coming of a hiatus now after having acquired a homegym, currently i'm at 77~kg, like 16% bodyfat according to self measured calipers and like 90kg squat/DL 5x3. 27 years old.
Obviously I am far away from my 'genetic' potential (which I assume will take like 1.5 or more years to reach) but on the other hand feel like if I am going to do this, the age to do it is now. Probably by the time I reach 35 or something I might be looking to settle down and start a family or some shit so if I ever am going to do this and reap the full benefits it would seem the time is sometime soon.
Doing steroids before reaching max potential seems to have 3 main drawbacks,
One comes down to knowing your body and understanding fitness and nutrition well. The second has to do with a higher bodyfat% leading to a higher probability of worse side effects. And the third has to do with the body generally not being able to keep up with the muscle strength gains and you risk damages to joints bones etc.
Though you can always know more I think I am doing ok in the fitness/nutrition knowledge and experience department, and should be able to get my bodyfat down to an acceptable level. So the main concern would be gaining too much strength for the rest of the body to keep up.
I have to travel in early June, so say I time it so my cycle ends then, which would mean starting it in mid march. Will I be able to reach an acceptable fitness level before this, assuming during my cycle I listen to my body and don't push too hard if I notice any danger signs, or am I shooting myself in the foot and asking for permanent injuries by doing this?
>>35638219
Yeah yeah my friend Destitute Xylophone.
>>35638230
Deadlift at 80kg? what are you, some fucking joke?
jesus fuck. I can dead 200kg drunk 5X3.
>>35638275
Current body pic?
>>35638230
holy tldr
Do you have a current body picture?
How does your diet look atm?
your length?
>Will I be able to reach an acceptable fitness level before this
Depending how much effort you put in.
Why do ppl always ask how long it takes to achieve a certain goal? The more you put in, the more results you get.
>What roids do i take to become like this guy?
>is this guy natty?
>what happens if i take 3 grams of test
It's not all about roids.
>>35638035
2 weeks on 2 weeks off was draining for me
supposedly the results are just as good from 2 days on 2 days off, for me thats a lot less mentally draining
>>35638230
>dead lift 80kg
>wants to roid
>can't even lift
>>35638380
You got unbanned yet ? Miss your trolling bro
Also the more WORK and EFFORT you put it, the better. Not the more roids. Both have to go hand in hand though, can't have roids and no work and vice versa
>>35638327
>21
>>35638230
have you tried starting strength?
>>35638380
How long until I get your muscles
>>35638432
I was unbanned and right after that i was banned for ban evasion? I don't understand. I think the mods are trolling me right now, kek.
Yes, exactly how you say it. It's just that easy.
No rocket science
gotta lay low on the trolling. They're after me
>>35638450
Have you seen the aging of Rich piana. Shit scares the fuck out of me.
This picture is 2 years of difference.
Aren't you guys scared for that aging shit roiding can cause
>>35638327
No current body picture and can't take right now. Height is 1.83cm. And my diet is very clean and what I am least worried about. Make 95% what I eat myself, and pretty much never have a cheat meal/snacks, generally don't drink (pretty much only drink water and shakes).
Obviously I am still very weak and could make big gains over the year or so going natural, but it seems like the main reason for waiting for me outside of 'proving your worth' before you enter the world of steroids is to avoid avoid joint/bone injuries etc which is something that seems like it should be manageable?
Part of the reason why I am interested in this is just not the physical boost, sex drive has also been very low for like over a year (even given proper nutrition/working out) which has made most of life seem pretty fucking boring.
>>35638527
this is why I'm scared to running anything other than test. I really want to try halo and tren for that dere strength but don't' want to look 5 years older when I come out on the other side
>>35638491
Are you willing to do what it takes?
>>35638527
Might be because of miscommunication? One dude unbanned you while the other didn't know and banned you again thinking you were evading a ban
Mods been raging with age bans lately as well
>>35638413
>>35638275
Meant to say my deadlift/squat was at 115kg when I was at 80kg. Which is still not impressive but oh well.
Also not what my stats are now. which is 90 kg squat/DL at 77kg bw Though I guess my 5x3 max is closer to 100/100 range, I just started somewhere very low a while ago and increased by 2.5 every work out since then.
>>35638491
for that? like 3 years of proper dieting, roiding, and a proper routine.
>>35638527
what is video editing /lighting anon.
>>35638608
If you have a decent base, enough knowlegde regarding to nutrition and training, i see no reason not to use it.
>sex drive has also been very low for like over a year
You might have low test? i dunno.
I would only take steroids to gain muscle not only for the mental effects.
You can also be content in life without using steroids, trust me. Otherwise seek medicial help and no help in steroids.
>>35638619
So test doens't cause this? That's good.
>>35638630
Yeah. i think so too. Most logical explanation
>>35638762
>So test doens't cause this? That's good
of course it does but probably less than more harsher compounds
>>35638688
Yeah, okay, but still. You can also see it in other videos.
WHATEVER IT TAKES
>>35638769
That's good enough for me
Went to a party last night
Got 2 grill's snapchat and another one's number
This girl was 6'1 minumum in her boots and tried to tell me she was only 5'10. Like nah, you're the tallest person in this room don't lie to me like that.
She said that I was a big guy and asked if I was at the college for sports
>she noticed the gains in the dark, while I'm in a black Hoodie
Never been with a girl taller than me. I guess I'm gonna have to try it
can cops access pictures that are saved on an app on your iphone? asking for a friend
>>35638947
fine fine and you?
make any girls pregnant yet?
>>35637698
You sure? Ain't got shit
You chilling with preggo today?
>>35639151
Yes.
>>35638527
The mods are the fatsos at plg.
It all makes sense.
>>35638619
You won't as long as you cycle.
Rich isn't necessarily bnc but his theory is you should throw a new compound in every fucking week.
His cycles are retarded as fuck.
>>35638762
Yeah thats what I am thinking too, so I guess the original post boils down to what would be considered a 'decent base' in terms of having an acceptably low risk of injuries because of lacking base.
Also don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy with my life and expecting steroids to fix it.
I am not depressed (never have been) and generally content with my life. Its just in my early 20's I was a needy out of shape jobless highschool dropout and overall loser/typical /b/tard, yet still somehow managed to have ok success with girls making life a lot more fun. Now I am much more confident, my professional life is going great, I am in better (though by no means great) shape and am attending college so there is a lot of attractive girls around (a few even openly showing interest.) But I just don't really have any drive to pursue right now, which doesn't make me unhappy, just bored and feels like its not how I want the rest of my 20s to be.
I did check my Test which put me in the lower end of acceptable/normal I believe (15.5 nmol/L Range 7.6-31.4)
>>35639357
>Cant make a pregnant girl pregnant m8
I think you can?
>>35639398
How come I know people that are only a few months difference in age?
>>35638621
Sure what does it take
>>35639417
wow really confirming the steroid meathead stereotype
>>35639417
are you fucking kidding?
you think a momma popped out one baby and kept the other inside for a few months?
>>35639151
>Asking for a friend
I'm calling the cops, I know this really about you anon
>>35639429
Maybe cheeky also thinks girls pee from their butts
>>35639461
already microwaved phone is cool
>>35639446
Did
You
Smash
That
B8
Yet
M8
>>35639115
it's fun, trust
>>35639369
okay, I'm going to be completely honest
your lifts are maybe half of what they should be for you to even consider gear, and you're fairly underweight considering how much bf% you're saying and how much you probably actually have
train right, eat right, sleep right
the holy trinity can and will take you very, very far before aas even enter into consideration
this is why i lift
>>35639561
For an iPhone?
>>35639561
I think that's the girl who keeps posting here about earrings
>>35639561
euw
>>35635551
Fraud being useless as usual
>>35639709
dnp + psmf will work.
worry about regaining muscle after you are done cutting.
I know you prolly wont do / be able to do dnp+psmf but you asked.
>>35639732
you used dnp yolo?
>>35639709
You got three legitimate replies dumbfuck. You don't need clen. You need some willpower. Now gtfo fatty
>>35639288
Hmm, makes sense indeed.
plg is cheating. They can't handle the heat.
>>35639369
>I was a needy out of shape jobless highschool dropout and overall loser/typical /b/tard
>Now I am much more confident, my professional life is going great, I am in better (though by no means great) shape.
>am attending college so there is a lot of attractive girls around
>But I just don't really have any drive to pursue right now, which doesn't make me unhappy
So, you wanna take roids to impress some girls?
I thought you said you had enough confidence already?
the contradiction is strong breh.
Just be honest/straight with me now.
Man u
>>35639732
Don't do this. Fucking fraud is a bunch of druggies jesus.
Just count calories dude, incorporate cardio, in HIIT if you can.
If you can't cut because you don't have the "willpower" you definitely should not be fucking around with shortcuts.
>>35639747
Nope.
No real local sources available + its hot af here now anywayz
>>35639357
>Cant make a pregnant girl pregnant m8
I was talking in general.
Dont be too serious breh.
>>35639561
this is why i lift anon
>>35639778
hope you enjoy your day tommorow !!! are you going to hers or is she coming to yours? anyways, hope you have a great day, which you deserve x
>>35639791
Oh. Lol. Well no, no yolobabies yet.
>>35635551
>>35639709
You're 330 pounds and worried about under eating? lmao
Just get your daily protein adjusted for lean body mass and eat as little as you can. You should have enough fat to last you a while. You can even do a shit ton of cardio on days you don't lift.
Gear is going to be tricky since test gets converted to estrogen by fat. You'll also get loose skin most likely.
It really depends on how fast you want to lose weight. Gear or not your still going to eventually have to cut. Otherwise go hang out on plg and stay natty.
>>35639812
No man, I saw her /yeaterday/
Might decide to see her next week tho.
But thanks anyway kind anonkun
>>35639791
Hey man what do you usually eat during the week? Do you count calories? Meal prep?
What is a great addition to 750mg Test C to add mass except:
>Dbol
>Tren
>Deca
>>35639761
psmf is legit. If the dude's asking about clen then dnp is a better shortcut.
Either way the dude's going to be doing it a long time starting at 330. You're going to be feeling hungry and lethargic a long time to get anywhere normal.
>>35639911
sdrol
>>35635551
>>35639709
100mcg cled 2x a day is roughly what you need for your bodyweight.
And lower your carbs too. EZ PZ
>>35639911
>mass
adrol
>>35639522
Not trying to argue or say you are wrong but would you mind explaining why? Mainly trying to understand what the benefit is of waiting.
From my understanding regardless of what happens after the first cycle (e.g it becomes a lifestyle/more cycles, or stops at just the one) it's likely not going to have a major impact on long term consequences whether I do my first cycle in 2 months, or a year from now. So logically from my perspective it would seem like if I am ever going to do it, the trade-off of faster progress, and assuming it is an overall positive influence in my life, the benefit of starting sooner, outweigh the potential negatives.
So does it mainly just boil down to the fact that if I am not closer to the best shape I can be, I probably don't know for sure whether this is right or not for me?
Say if you (assuming you are an experienced user/in great shape) by slipping into a coma or some other magic got sent back to similar physical condition/(age?) as mine. Would you still go natural for 1 year before starting again?
There was some site that showed an anabolic rating and strength rating of steroids.. Looked like a wiki page..
Does anyone have the link?
>>35640002
the reddit wiki shows the anabolic/androgenic rating
>>35639990
i think the waiting thing is just bullshit people trying to justify why they slaved away for 2 years trying to reach their natty limit when they could have done it in months if they roided up right away.
>>35639754
Not to impress girls no. Though surely that is one of the main reason why people use roids outside of competition?
The point I was trying to make is that even if I am a lot more 'impressive' to girls now than I was, the low sex drive leads me to not want to impress a girl or pursue if she is 'impressed', hence making my life more boring and somewhat reducing motivation for everything.
>>35640040
Personally wouldn't go that far, and can respect the fact that this should not be something you take lightly or jump into on a whim. Especially with the amount of teenagers who show up and seem to ignore the risk they are putting their hormonal system in.
But assuming it would be an overall positive thing in my life, and that I start with it when close in on the 'genetic potential'. I have a hard time seeing how the benefits of starting sooner would not outweigh the minor increased risks if properly managed.
>>35639868
Mostly it's like this;
oats + 6 eggs / some fruit
chicken+ rice + broccoli
chicken+ rice + broccoli
lean meat + rice + broccoli
eggs
sometimes fish / salmon
cottage cheese.
I don't count anything desu. I just estimate eveything.
I cook almost everyday and when i need to prep i just make some more food when i'am cooking. Mostly make a shit ton of food at once. My gf also cooks for me, to make it a bit easier.
You can also make everything on sunday and freeze it.
On sunday i also cheat a bit.
>>35640071
> Though surely that is one of the main reason why people use roids outside of competition
Yeah, most over here. I just do it for myself. I don't understand why ppl need to take roids to be noticed by other ppl. But then again; everyone should do what makes him happy.
Just be happy with yourself, is way more important to me. Fuck other ppl who don't like it. I don't care really.
If you think roids will help you in the progress, to make you life ''les boring'', you should do it.
I would not take it in your position. But that's just my 2 cents
>>35640217
Thanks
>>35640217
btw i also vary with different kind of carbs. The protons always consist either; chicken, fish or lean meat. O yeah and cottage cheese before bed.
I recently switched to rice again, because i was sick of the pasta/penne.
just make sure you vary all the time. It makes it a lot more bearable
>>35640170
honestly you have fucking SO much to learn about eating right, programming effectively, and just plain lifting
that compounds the problem of muscular strength outstripping connective tissue by a country mile when gear is involved because you haven't had the history of overcoming muscle imbalances, mobility issues, all of the millions of little things that you can't really teach someone but have to be learned by doing on your own
CAN you start diving right into steroids? of course
but SHOULD you? no. for all of the reasons I listed and a whole lot more I'm forgetting because I'm typing this on a phone
>>35639369
>in terms of having an acceptably low risk of injuries because of lacking base.
>>35638608
>'proving your worth' before you enter the world of steroids is to avoid avoid joint/bone injuries etc which is something that seems like it should be manageable?
>>35638230
>So I am somewhat seriously considering giving sterioids a shot. Have been in not horrible but not fantastic shape in the past (like 115kg 5x3 squat/deadlift at 80kg) and coming of a hiatus now after having acquired a homegym, currently i'm at 77~kg, like 16% bodyfat according to self measured calipers and like 90kg squat/DL 5x3. 27 years old
>>35638230
>Though you can always know more I think I am doing ok in the fitness/nutrition knowledge and experience department, and should be able to get my bodyfat down to an acceptable level. So the main concern would be gaining too much strength for the rest of the body to keep up.
>>35639990
your lifts are less than most beginners achieve on starting strength and you're overly worried about injuries. You may think you understand the basics of nutrition but your training definitely sucks. you should be stronger just on neuromuscular adaptations alone.
Brick's advice is really the only real answer. Yeah you can hop on gear and get better results but it'll still be shitty compared to someone that eats right and lifts with intensity. There's no way to get bigger or stronger without pushing your body's limits.
>>35640262
damn brick you're in a good mood today lol
>>35640239
>I'm typing this on a phone
What a third world twat
"Sent from my iPhone"
How long after switching to cruise dose should I start cutting? Dont want to bye bye my gains
How do y'all deal with acne ?
Don't have it yet but let's just say that I will most definitely get it, even though I've never been prone to it
Guys going on test+tren on first cycle it's retarded?
That guy gets really lot of attention and help.
And it's no up the dose bs.
That guy is lucky, seriously
>>35640170
>But assuming it would be an overall positive thing in my life, and that I start with it when close in on the 'genetic potential'. I have a hard time seeing how the benefits of starting sooner would not outweigh the minor increased risks if properly managed.
You're 27. Hopping on 250-500 test isn't going to be much of a risk with the standard precautions.
But based on your stats it's not going to be a fast train to ronnie coleman city unless your test is freakishly low and the only thing that was holding you back from your so-called genetic potential.
It would take a miracle of stupidity to injure yourself with the weights you're handling.
>>35640374
yes
>>35640366
pls
Hi fraud, can you list in order which are, from your perspective the most "aesthetic" sterons?
Discussing this with a friend right now, we both looking for the summer.
>>35640507
1 month is more than enough, I start at the second-third week.
>>35640217
>I just do it for myself
exactly
I just do this shit because I like it and it's fun, not because I need it to validate myself or prove shit to anyone else
>>35640317
got shithoused last night, forgot to bring rehydration supplies over to friend's place so busy doing it the old fashioned way and stewing in my own suffering
>>35640386
ikr
>>35640366
keep training as hard as you can, keep your diet clean, and wait like a month after everything else clears
>>35640522
Tren
Tren
Test
Tren
>>35640522
THIS
WHEN WILL THIS SHIT END ? PEOPLE WANT TO USE SYNTHETIC HORMONES YET CANT FUCKING USE A SEARCHING ENGINE AND ASSUME THAT PEOPLE THAT TOOK THEIR TIME TO RESEARCH WILL JUST SPOON FEED THEM
FUCK
OFF
YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THE RIDE
>>35640552
>>35640536
Thank you friends... I've just recently decided to cruise so I havent done much research tbqh. I'm a breddy big guy at 225lbs and my test is around 400 natty @ 30 years old. What do you think an appropriate dose per week would be?
>>35640590
You have no idea how much research did I do, but ive got 600 euros to spend on roids for the next summer and 0 exp on roids. I know the fame of masteron on this kind of purposes and was what i had in mind, but since everybody is telling me about using tren at the same time they tell me to not use it being my first cycle i decided to come here to ask.
I even have HCG and test ready in front of me
>>35640653
You shouldn't use tren as your first cycle.
You are obviously early twenties or younger because your I WANT IT NOW attitude. Use test and only test.
>>35640653
actually we know exactly how much research you didn't do because you're in here asking the same retarded questions that pop up every goddamn day
>>35640605
200 without doubt.
>>35640653
In an aesthetic way, tren is the better of them all. However... even a lot popular trips of /fraud/ don't dare to use it, there are reasons to that.
>>35640653
What the fuck do you mean 600 euros? Bitch you must have a god damn job and a steady flow of money other wise you can't fucking roid
Fucking students complaining that they don't have money for food yet they jab their dicks with god jizz
>>35640669
25yo
Really...? Do you think test only? Im 6'0 82kg with low bf (not super low thoug). Will I feel any significant change? The before-after pictures of test only cycles are pretty... well, "neutral" ones.
>>35640672
Okay mate, don't believe me if you dont want to.
how can i get rid of my stretch marks?
>pic related me
>>35640697
I do have it, i meant i "pulled apart" those 600 euros for that purpose. Gosh.
>>35640369
Kek that guy in the background
>>35640269
>>35640262
What my lifts are now or have been does not reflect what I know about eating right. I appreciate the input a lot, but feel like this sort of highlights part of what I am getting the impression of.
If you are not X size/strength then you don't know anything and that is why you need to wait with gear, not because being X size/strength is in itself inherently that important.
Also just to be clear I am not trying to argue that I am knowledgeable or that I would not massively benefit for another year of natural training. Just that I'm still not convinced that the year of natural training would benefit me more than the year of steroids and training, if I use steroids after the 1 year is over anyway.
If you take two people with absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of training fitness or nutrition, and they start learning about it and training at the same time, one starts off with gear and one goes without until he reaches his genetic potential. Assuming they are equally knowledgeable about gear when they start that, won't the person who started gear right away improve at a much faster rate, and reach whatever goal he has set much faster? Won't they just encounter things like mobility issues and muscle imbalances and the million other little things at different times and deal with them then?
I can see how the more rapid increase in weight gives you more risk of injury if for example you don't have proper form and your ignorance makes you not spend the time needed to learn proper form. But don't completely buy the idea that you need to have gone through the trial of fire of reaching your genetic potential before you are able to use steroids and have the benefits outweigh the negatives.
>>35640709
Yes really. You aren't going to magically get giant from any stack. But even if you could, you don't want to be adding shit into your body like that. You need to see how you react to these chems first before throwing new ones in there.
Roids generally aren't a huge deal, IMO, but they can really fuck you up if you go yolo with them man, be serious, its your body. The only reason you want to add more shit in you is because you're impatient.... You think thats a good reason? Lifting is a marathon, not a sprint. You'll get there eventually just take your time.
>>35640807
Jeez just inject some fuckin roids already
Why are you trying to argue with people on an azerbaidjan sewing forum, mo one fuckin caaaares
Wanna try some dbol I got for free. What's a good dose fellas? 20mg or 40mg like my friend advises?
just been on some test e 500 for a few weeks.
>>35640861
do 40
I did 20, was not satisfied.
>>35640418
Not at all expecting it to fast train to anything, and know I am not being held back (other than not having lifted for long enough)
But like you are saying, if there is not going be much risk with standard precautions I don't see why going natty for 1 year before starting is going to do me more good than starting sooner and getting the perceived benefits sooner, other than teach me the value of hard work or how hard it would be to reach X size without steroids to make me appreciate it more or something.
>>35640721
why don't you shave your butt but everything else? Why do you paint your nails? You should lose some weight and get some glutes. Fake tan can cover it a bit
>>35640369
that guy's face in the back says it all. kek
" wtf is that??"
just use accutane if it's cystic acne.
Just use an ai if you're on a cycle to prevent some acne. It helps a lot for acne when i'am on.
>>35640807
Go ahead and hop on. It sounds like you've already convinced yourself and no matter how many people here tell you otherwise you're going to do it anyways. Don't come back crying when you don't get the results you're expecting.
>>35640826
Ok, gonna do test-e with hcg and asin only then.
No orals neither? Dbol/anavar/proviron are usually suggested along.
>>35640859
Not really trying to argue, more trying to be convinced that I am wrong and there actually is a legitimate benefit to waiting significantly longer than 2 months before I try gear. And that its not just lacking knowledge and experience which one would think can be compensated by being more diligent when it comes progressively educating yourself as you get stronger.
>>35640996
Want to see what it looks like when a newbie hops on gear? Wait for Manletgains to post a CB. Don't be that guy.
>>35640369
Accutane or Isotretinoin (Generic form of Accutane, available on research chem sites)
3 days of Isotrentinoin and it cleared my acne up.
>>35640807
you know what fuck it, ignore everything I'm saying
tired of trying to beat knowledge into peoples' obstinate fucking heads when all they want to hear is validation for their shitty life choices
it's not like I'm one of the most knowledgeable people here or anything
>>35640965
this exactly.
First he ask if he should take roids. Everyone says over here, he dont need to take it, because of noob stats and knowlegde.
try to convince us it to take it anyway.
kek
Is there a roid for your dick?
Cause mines 4.5 inches long when hard and I'd like to change that.
I swear girls can smell confidence or something
Went to a party as DD to repay my friend for a few big favors. I was just standing around and girls started approaching me, flirting, groping my arms, etc. This happens usually but nearly to the extent it happened last night.
>>35641144
hgh
I see so many ppl in my gym using tons of gear while having shit results.
Like this guy that's using 1,5 grams of test-e each week, but doesn't understand why he don't gain more anymore. Just up the gear, maybe it works.
Makes me sad desu
Most ''gains'' they make is water and not the quality mass.
but then again; if it was so easy, everyone would be big and ripped
>>35641207
im new to gear, what they are doing wrong?
i thought its something like
1st. gear
2nd. nutrition
3rd. sleep
4th. routine
= gains
>>35641105
I'm not ignoring what you are saying at all, sorry you take it that way :( Regardless thanks a lot of for taking the time to give your input.
Obviously coming in here I knew that the general consensus is that you should wait until you are close to genetic potential before you consider steroids. Just trying to better understand why.
I could more easily see that steroids is just not worth it in terms of risk/reward overall, but if we assume that it is worth the risk/reward (which I assume most users here would say it is.) Then wouldn't it also be worth it at a lower fitness level?
Yes you obviously have so fucking much to learn about eating right, programming effectively, and just plain lifting. But it's not like steroids is going to make you stupid and make it harder to learn these things.
Maybe some people might just take the easier gains from steroids and then never learn some things that come from the natty struggle, but I don't think that would apply to everyone?
Sorry for not just agreeing with you the first time and I am not saying you are wrong, just that you have not made a completely convincing argument.
20 years down the line what would be the bad case scenario of a shitty life choice like this versus waiting 1 year and then starting gear?
>>35641292
1. Food
2. Training
3. Sleep
4. Gear
You cant make good gains without the top 3 no matter what
>>35641312
how come 2nd and 3rd is training and sleep? i thought no matter what routine you do on roids you gain musles, and for sleep i thought the same since your on steroids you recover quicker
>>35641292
>>35640807
I started when I was 18, after researching gear for 2 years and lifting on and off, mostly on, for ~7 years. I'm 22 now. Practically everyone in my family practises medicine in some form so I had a strong general knowledge base. But I wasn't ready for it emotionally, physically, spiritually or mentally, as much as I was convinced I was, and it's heavily influenced my life in many ways. What you're saying is technically true - the advice given in the form of training/age cutoffs is arbitrary and often elitist, but there is great value in creating something you're proud of before going onto gear. The benefits are innumerable in fact, and go beyond just maximising your results and bang for your buck with the gear.
I'm generally not one to regret things, but with AAS there is so much I would have liked to have done differently. Also, nobody likes to admit to their fuckups. The risks are indeed 'small', but the consequences can be great, and there are so many traps you can fall into. It's your body and it's up to you, but if you are truly serious about this lifestyle, and would like to enjoy it for the rest of your life - my simple and admittedly arbitrary advice is to set a goal you can be seriously proud of, accomplish that naturally, and then take it from there, and I guarantee your life and training career will benefit greatly from that choice
>>35641207
Muscles can only absorb so much of a hormone for your size. After that brings sides(water and not quality mass). You can, however, use multiple hormones equaling 1.5g and get more results.
He will get much better results with a cocktail of hormones.
500mg test
300mg tren
300mg deca(gradually increase)
300mg eq
>>35641312
You can switch gear with sleep, even 5hours is enough while on roids.
