Sup, fags.
Y R U A FAGET?
>>35618490
Because I'm OP. OP is always a fag, dumbass.
How old do you need to be to be an oldfag
>>35618535
Do you have a career instead of a job? Do you have kids? You're an oldfag.
Still live at home? Can't buy your own beer? Not an oldfag.
>>35618573
> cancer
how little can I workout and still get decent gains natty? gym is boring.
>>35618535
>>35618568
Oldfag has to do with how long you've been browsing 4chins you fucking newfags
>>35618601
desu desu, fuckwit.
Does anyone have that picture of the home gym that's plastered with Taylor Swift posters?
Also, how disproportianate is it that my max overhead press is 125x6 and my max bench is 175x4
>>35618461
If protein from milk is incomplete, what other sources should I eat/drink to make them complete? Something besides bcaa powders, like actual foods.
>>35618596
m.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkoqmXW__w
>>35618633
Bench should be higher. You're nearly at 1 plate for OHP but bench is 50 pounds away from 2 plate.
>>35618637
Milk protein is animal protein and animal proteins are complete proteins.
>>35618637
Milk is complete though
Ohp kicks my ass. What is proper grip width?
>>35618648
yeah, but how often?
>>35618681
Rippletots has a good form video on it.
>>35618681
Slightly wider than shoulder width. Make sure your grip is good. See image.
>>35618694
AxxBxxAxxBxx
I would say that's the bare minimum
>>35618709
Thanks, watched that earlier tonight - figured I'd ask here as well, though. I've been holding way too wide.
>>35618721
why can't I just go once a week? intermediate plans are heavy once a week. that's enough work for intermediates it should let me get gains on the same program longer, shouldn't it? it's not like I'm going to lose my gains in a week, is it?
>>35618657
>>35618653
>Milk protein is animal protein and animal proteins are complete proteins.
Why does rich panini say that he has to have bcaa;s with his cereal + milk to make his proteins complete then?
https://youtu.be/u8Wvr2YSzWU?t=10m17s
After having back pain for a long time I've narrowed the cause down to a few possibilities.
1. It seems to happen when I'm either
a. dehydrated
b. constipated
c. full bladder
2. It also seems to go away within a day or two if I baby it.
What could this be? Seems very strange to me. I can't tell if it's posture related because I'm skinnyfat, but I'm cutting right now so maybe I will find an issue with my posture.
>>35618767
because he's a 'tard
>>35618767
I can't watch the video right now, but he probably has cereal with incomplete proteins. Wheat products do not provide complete protein
>>35618461
is it fine to do compounds + few acessories or will this fuck me up in boxing on the long run?
I seem to be doing good so far for the past month
>>35618784
That's vague enough to describe 95% of lifting routines.
>>35618767
Is he perhaps sponsored by a supplement company?
>>35618784
Stronger is better. But boxing is a skill sport. Make sure you spend most of your time practicing your sport's skills. Keep the gym to no more than, say, 20% of your training time.
>>35618768
See an MD about your kidney infection.
Recommended food for building muscle? I was probably just going to stick with quest bars for a while. Shit seems to be the best thing out there
Other than that grilled chicken
>>35618863
1.2-1.7 g protein per kg of lean body mass
surplus kcal to gain 1 lb per two weeks
that's all you need to know
if you don't know how to cook and need recipe ideas, buy or torrent Mark Bittman's book How to Cook Everything.
How can I force myself to push through the pain for more reps? When reps start getting hard and painful I instantly give up. Been lifting about three months now.
Can I still get gains this way or am I not going to make it?
Why do people roid when you can't keep the gains after you stop taking?
>>35618847
>>35618768
Kidney infection or STD.
>>35618801
well I'm doing gym on monday, wednesday and saturday
boxing on tuesday thursday and friday
>>35618799
doing A-B-A
A:
- Bench(2x5 max weight then 2x20 light for dat dere endurance)
- Deadlift 1x5
- Weighted dips 2x8 then 2x20 with just bw
- incline dbb bench 3x8-12
- ez bar curls 3x8-12
B
- Squats (2x5 max weight then 2x20 light)
- OHP (2x5 max then 2x20 light)
- Rows w/ underhand grip 3x8-12(sometimes do strength others hypertrophy)
- pull ups 3x8
- 3x12 tricep extension
now I'm thinking of just leaving it like this, because I was also doing the following:
3x8 lateral raises
3x8 heavy seated ohp with dbb
3x8 lat pulldown
guess i'll leave those three out
>>35618847
Fairly certain it's not kidneys.
It's definitely muscle strain, and I get knots in my lower/mid back.
Plus I've had it for years, if it was kidney infection I'd be six feet under
Multi vits are 5 months past the expiration date, wanna know if it's still good to use.
>>35618897
>lifting three months
>wants to do forced reps
You don't need to. Even roid monsters don't need to.
>>35618902
Some roids are a lot cheaper than supplements. Cheap enough to stay on them forever.
Why do I rarely if ever see mince meat recommended as a good /fit/ food, or at least base? I like to make burgers with mince meat mixed with sliced onion & pepper, bit of egg milk and bread mixed in. It tastes delicious and is great bulking food
>>35618897
Is it muscle pain or joint pain? If it's joint pain you're using poor form and on the way to snap city. I wouldn't really describe muscle failure at the end of a set as painful
>>35618911
Looks solid, but I'd look to add chinups somewhere there.
>>35618927
It won't kill you. Some of the vitamins might have lost some potency, though. Multi's are cheap, though. Just chuck them and buy new ones.
>>35618940
"Mince meat" is chopped up dried fruit in the US, where most of us are from. Here we call it "ground meat."
>>35618913
You get it when you're dehydrated or when your bladder is full. Kidney infection or STD is about it, man, and you sound like a virgin.
>>35618953
where would they fit? always heard to either pick pull ups or chin ups
>>35618940
Mince is the same as ground beef right? Shits kinda expensive
>>35618943
Muscle pain usually, like a burn that gets pretty painful.
>>35618964
It's neat how you can pick the virgins out of the pack. What gives it away?
Well I'll see my doctor about checking my urine.
>>35618982
Burning sensation is nerve pain, not muscle pain. Muscle pain is sort of sharp.
Whats /fit/s opinion on mass gainer? Im using it for the first time (this brand) and I'd rate it a 6/10 for flavor and a 9/10 for why am I suddenly so fucking fat
750 kcals left today and have eaten all my protons. What would you eat?
>>35619023
You gotta do what you gotta do to get your kcals, bro.
>>35619016
So am I doing exercises wrong then?
>>35619023
Eat more potatoes/pasta instead
Do you gain any benefit from attempting 1RMs, or is it just not enough volume to matter in the long run?
>>35619045
No idea, but nerve pain is see a doctor level stuff for me.
>>35619067
Good for determining your weights if you're on a percentage-based program. That's about it, really.
Work up to a 1 RM, then do volume at greater than 80% of the 1 RM. Repeat 2x a day. It's the Bulgarian way.
>>35618964
If it is a kidney infection, wouldn't I have noticed any of the other symptoms other than back pain?
I'm kind of a hypochondriac, so this occurred to me, but I don't think it's kidneys.
>>35619138
Could just be mild. Doesn't need to be life-threatening. But, hey, it's your body.
>>35619155
I'll see the doctor anyway.
Now I'm worried because I remember him saying something about weird proteins in my piss or something a couple years back.
legit how important are break days because my dumbbell routine seems to me like anyone could do it, everyday, but i don't wanna mess my shoulders/elbows up
>>35619181
At least as important as workout days.
Should you eat maintenance or a surplus on rest days?
How do I deal with minor/moderate forehead acne?
My forehead feels both dry and oily, don't know how to explain it better than that.
I've started washing my face and changing pillowcase, but I'm hoping it's just hormones (18).
arms are swollen from my last work out but i can bend them now without it hurting a fucking bunch?
do i still go lift today?
>>35619199
Yes.
Depends on whether you're trying to maintain or lose weight.
>>35619203
Astringent.
>>35619217
>astringent
Ayy thanks boss
>>35619216
Yes. You're fine.
>>35619217
Would astringent help me if I have a lot of acne from drinking a lot of milk everyday?
>>35619230
Maybe. It helps with skin that's too oily.
>>35619181
If you can do your routine every day, you're not lifting heavy enough.
Break days are when your muscles grow, I don't know how important that is to you.
Any reason my shoulders pop during bench? There's no pain.
Also I accidentally a muscle in my right shoulder on New Years fooling around with some chick, but it doesn't hurt when I do any lifts. Should I just keep lifting or rest it?
How's sparring?(box)
Our master said in like 2-3 weeks there will be sparring and whoever wants to be in is welcome
From a scale from 0 to 10 how painful is it? I think I'm gonna do it anyways
>>35619323
Shoulders popping: tight infraspinatus muscle. Grab a tennis ball and give them a beating.
Accidentally a muscle in your shoulder: if it doesn't hurt, you're probably fine.
>>35619397
Sparring is (mostly) no hits to the head and pulled punches. You're not trying to hurt the other person, just practicing technique. It'll be about a 2/10.
Is it safe for me to do squats if my hamstrings are still sore from doing heavy SLDLs 2 days ago? Will it hurt my gains?
>>35619403
Neat, I'll go buy some tennis balls. That's the fix even if the popping is in the front of the shoulder?
>>35619416
the way he said meant it will be hard but obviously while not trying to injure or hurt someone really badly
even need mouthguards so I'm not so sure about that
>>35619424
Yes it's safe. No, it won't hurt your gains. The pain will go away as you warm up.
>>35619426
Especially if the popping is in the front of the shoulder.
>>35619449
You can still break your teeth getting hit in the face softly.
>>35619462
Great. Thanks anon, I'm off to Dick's to buy some balls
How bad would it be if I drank my protein shake 3 hours after my workout, and also about 30 minutes after dinner? I can spare the calories but I don't wanna fuck up my gains
>>35619558
It's fine. Nutrient timing is mostly bullshit.
>>35618633
I know one of you faggots has it saved.
>>35619585
Oh I forgot to mention, I took a Men's One-A-Day pro edge as well but it doesn't list protein on it.
>>35619612
Multi-vits are worse for you than cocaine enemas
>>35619632
ehhh, live and learn. Would it fuck with my protein shake though?
Anyone have tips for a taller guy (6'2") and keeping good posture? I'm looking down at stuff all day and slouching because chairs don't fit me.
>>35619657
Heavy squats will fix your posture
>>35619635
No. It's fine.
>>35619657
Deadlifts.
>>35619666
>>35619671
Perfect
Now that you mention it, I've always felt like my squat form was shit. Especially on the return (going up). Any typical tall guy problems I should look out for?
Left Shoulder hurts every time I Ohp think ive hurt it. Wat do?
>>35619710
Not wearing lifting shoes with an elevated heel.
>>35619757
http://www.triggerpoints.net/upper-back-shoulder-and-arm
If that doesn't help, see a sports doc.
>>35619757
Rear delts may be weak.>>35619757
>>35619768
I lift without shoes
It's probably a shallow ROM
>>35618653
>tfw i bench 155 x 5 but ohp 125x3
the worst part is?
i never feel my pecs when i bench.
just feels like a tricep workout.
no matter how i arch or what grip i use.
>tfw forever a chestlet
Is it ok to drink a protein shake after only doing cardio?
I just save them for days when I lift.
>>35619791
its protein...
it's the same shit as meat, only with a lower fat content.
it's just food bro
>can i eat steak after only doing cardio?
>>35619784
Put your left hand on right pec, move your right arm like you're bench pressing, varying the angle your arm makes with your torso until you feel the movement of your pec. Repeat with hands switched. Replicate that angle with the bench press.
>>35619791
An athlete, in this case you, needs 1.2-1.7 g of protein per kg of lean mass per day. How you get it doesn't really matter much.
>>35619835
I was told to eat 1.7g per lbs not kg
>>35619768
Whats that?
Should i do sumo deads when im 6ft2?
Ive got scoliosis not serious very mild, should i squat?
>>35619848
It's per kg of lean mass. Lower end if you're an endurance athlete, higher end if you're a strength athlete.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18577776
>>35619862
List of massage points for releasing tight muscles. They'll be painful if you massage them.
>>35619880
Do conventional if at all possible.
>>35619894
If your doctor clears you for lifting, yes you should squat.
Cut or bulk?
>>35619906
Culk
>>35619906
Northern hemisphere: slow bulk until May 1, then cut hard for a month.
Southern hemisphere: maintain until Feb 1, then slow bulk until Nov 1, then cut hard for one month.
My right knee hurts alot after walking and after squats and clicks alot when i bend it am i dieing?
Is it possible to do a linear progression beginners routine like SS or SL on a cut? Or alternatively at maintenance?
A lot of people if /fit/ say you need to be bulking to get the most out of these routines
>>35619906
>>35619925
Pic is a guy who is culkin. Don't be culkin.
>>35619835
i only feel it when my arms are so close together they are almost touching.
i never seem to pec activation with anything except cable crossovers
Anyone have a non-edited version of this pic? I wanna know what the crossed out exercises for day B are.
>>35619962
yes, if you are DYEL.
but not for long.
i HIGHLY recommend doing intermittent fasting, and feasting a good hour or two pre-workout.
this way you are in a highly anabolic state, but still maintain a caloric deficit.
plus IF increases natural levels of GH and does a bunch of other shit that is good for gains.
you can't "use up" your noob gains.
so you can always bulk later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLBzVRrdKIs
>>35619965
>he's slowly becoming the old man
>>35619959
Massage vastus medialis. Pay special attention to sore spots. Google it if you don't know what it is.
>>35619962
Don't try to cut on either of those unless you're really really fat because you won't last long. Better to just eat normally if you're fat.
If you want to cut, do everything 1x5 and AxxBxxx, and only increase the weight when you feel comfortable doing so.
>>35619995
Diamond push ups it is, then. See pic.
>>35620014
Arnold press and lat pull down.
Wat programs to do when linear gains on SS stop?
>>35620014
>can't read them even though they are blocked out
lat pulldown (front)* 3x8
standing calf raise (supersetted with shrugs) 2xF
shrugs ?*xF
then on B
Arnold press (DB) 3x8
Lat pulldown (???)* 3x8
*not sure about these parts, but it also doesn't matter
Doing SS, how much time should I take between sets?
How can I best fix tricep imbalance?
>>35620032
>bodyweight anything
nigger..
no
>>35620045
PHIR is nice...
>>35620051
dumbbell work
unilateral work
>>35620032
Different guy, but I've been trying to do diamond pushups and it hurts my elbows. I have to go out much wider than in pic to make it not hurt, and then it's really difficult. What do?
>>35620045
Intermediate programs like Texas Method or Madcow linear.
>>35620049
5 minutes
>>35620051
Skull crushers if weak triceps, curls if biceps weak. Don't bother unless you can bench at least 1.5x bodyweight, though.
>>35620059
>PHIR
>not a meme
>>35620076
Put your hands up on a bench or counter to make the weight lighter.
>>35620081
want to know how i know you look like dogshit?
>>35620059
Weight is weight. Bodyweight or otherwise. Don't be a pussy. Work up to planche diamond push ups.
>>35620097
>weight is weight
yea, that is why i want to add 5lb each time i do it...
thinking that progressing to planche diamon push ups is reasonable is fucktarded.
bodyweight progression a shit.
always always always
>>35620059
Weight is weight. Bodyweight or otherwise. Don't be a pussy. Work up to planche diamond push ups.
>>35620090
I'm on 4chan instead of in the gym?
When calculating your TDEE and how much you should eat while cutting, do you take into account any possible weight from loose skin? Ive lost abotu 100 lbs over the last 18 months and suddenly ive plateaued for about 4 months. ITs extremely frustrating but im cutting at like...1600-1700 calories a day, still not seeing progress.
So i go to a couple different calculators, the one on the MyFitnessPal app says i should be eating 1650, and then scooby's says i should be eating 2000.
please help, this is annoying and confusing
Will lifting 2pl8 ever feel like 1pl8 does now? Meaning easy as fuck.
>>35620104
>the guy that recommends bodyweight is the same guy that thinks PHIR is a meme
into the trash it goes.
the sad thing is.. some idiots will probably take your advice to heart...
>>35620114
Just do them straight. Use calculations as a starting point. Then weigh yourself regularly to adjust and make sure you're running an adequate deficit.
>>35620118
Bodyweight is fine. Weight is weight.
Stupidly over-complicated programs with too much to go wrong and no sense of whether you actually need all the bullshit aren't.
So I just felt a big pop in my right knee during squat. Is this something I should foam roll?
How to help OHP?
>>35620116
yes
>>35620114
plateaus happen.
if you have been cutting nonstop, try eating more calories for a while.
i know that is literally the scariest thing to recommend ever, but metabolic adaptation is a bitch, and your cortisol levels are probably too high in addition to that.
dial the high intensity cardio down, if you do it, switch to LISS for a while.
eat a little bit more.
i was in a similar situation, and that severely affecting my psychology.
it was getting borderline anorexia.
bad shit.
you gotta eat more.
i think you need to watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOHdUNdg7x4
you can probably skip the first minute or so, around 1:30 is where it gets relevant
>>35620116
Yes. When you can lift 4 plate, 2 plate will feel like 1 plate feels now (if you can lift 2 plate now, that is)
>>35620162
Maybe. Does the knee bend sideways now? Is the joint swollen? If yes to either, see a doctor. If no, foam rolling is probably fine.
>>35620182
Core strength, triceps strength, time.
>>35620150
>too much to go wrong
you are fucktarded
bodyweight isn't shit because you can't get enough resistance.
getting resistance is easy.
bodyweight is shit because you cannot reasonably. progress at a consistent pace
it has stalls built into the program.
also PHIR is not over-complicated, your glutes are shit because you don't do hip thrusts.
it also says which exercises you can feel free to remove.
nothing to go wrong with that, that you don't see with any lift like squat or bench
>>35620183
>weight loss has plateaued
>eat more
>>35620200
>not knowing how to get more resistance on push ups
>being so emotionally invested in PHIR that you can't see it's a "throw everything at the trainee and hope something sticks" shit program
>>35620186
No it doesn't bend anyways but normal. I just bodyweight squatted and the inside hurts bit.
I think I went too far forward on my last rep. I think I'm going to stop and go home so I don't fuck it up worse.
>>35620240
Sounds like a plan.
>>35620238
he has been cutting for 18 months straight.
i guaruntee you have never been in that position.
i have shed well over 90lb now, and plateau'd multiple times.
refeeding was always the answer.
nobody is saying eat at a caloric surplus.
you really think eating at maintenance for 3-4 days will fuck your weightloss progress?
watch the video, greg o'gallagher explains it better than i do.
>>35620250
Yea
Goddammit this always happens. As soon as I start making good progress I dun goof a joint.
I try to have good form but for some reason...fuck this is aggravating. It makes me think I'm doing myself a disservice by lifting by fucking up my body for later in life.
Ways to get rid of mild gyno?
>>35620238
literally no emotional investment, hadn't even heard of it before today.
but it is more like "here is everything worth doing, assembled in a cohesive and effective program. remove everything you consider excessive or superfluous".
it assumes an intermediate level of lifting knowledge...
>>35620286
you don't have gyno, faggot.
just cut more fat.
How do I combine protein sources from plants to create complete proteins? My doctor told me to cut down on protein for health reasons but gave me and ok on plant protein for some reason. Pls help.
>>35620273
and i will say, anecdotally it is common to hear people plateauing on weightloss who go crazy and snap, and eat to satiation, then the next day they step on the scale to find they dropped below their plateau.
>>35620324
your doctor is surprisingly illiterate in pharmacology.
>>35620273
Refeeding is purely psychological. Next you'll go all "starvation mode" on me, you ball of fat logic. Just cut harder, stupid.
>eat at maintenance
>weight loss progress
See how fucked in the head you are? You don't even know maintenance means "maintaining your current weight."
>>35620287
If you've just heard of it today, you literally have no business recommending it to someone. It assumes the person already has intermediate lifting knowledge, yes, but that is something you do not acquire by lifting as a novice. After a few months of serious intermediate training and discovering where exactly you're weak, then you can start adding lifts. And then maybe it might possibly look vaguely related to PHIR.
But even then you still wouldn't have any business suggesting it.
>>35620286
Lose weight.
>>35620338
metabolic adaptation is real, you massive faggot.
that is why people who do cardio lose weight more slowly than those who don't
>>35620335
>your doctor is surprisingly illiterate in pharmacology.
Care to elaborate?
>>35620335
>pharmacology
The phrase is "nutritional biochemistry".
And anecdote is not data.
Is BBQ good for bulking?
>>35620338
just because i have heard of that ONE routine today, doesn't mean i don't know about routine crafting or routines in general to recognize it is a great routine.
Would there be any drawback to using an axle bar for my lifts? I use it on my ohp an bench no problems so far and warm up my deads with it
>>35620351
casein is casein.
lysine is lysine
isotopes don't affect nutrition
he might be recommending a greater fiber:protein ratio in favor of fiber.
>>35620350
Oh, dear. It doesn't know that metabolic rate is determined by lean mass and that it's constant across all bodyweights.
>>35620360
Does it have a lot of calories? The answer to your question is the same as the answer to that question.
>>35620364
That you think it's a great routine is proof you don't know shit about programming.
>>35620380
Harder to grip. Exercises forearms primarily instead of everything else.
>>35620360
IIFYM
>>35620380
bigger forearms and stronger grip
>>35620402
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2014/07/11/need-know-metabolic-adaptation/
here you go, Dr. Broscientist.
also, please watch that video i linked.
greg o'gallagher really hits the nail on the head. and that nigger maintains sub 8%
>>35620390
>isotopes
Idiot.
>>35620402
>you don't know shit about programming.
from the guy that says diamond push up progression is a good way to make chest gains.....
am i being trolled?
>>35620183
>is there a holding pattern in place
>"holding pattern"
This guy is an Elliott Hulse disciple.
>>35620422
the only difference in protein from a plant vs protein from an animal is slightly slightly different isotopes.
other than that, it is identical from a chemistry standpoint.
if i remember correctly, they have different nitrogen isotopes.
>>35620421
>cites broscience
>calls me a broscientist
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426
>>35620433
if you can only activate your pecs when your hands are close together, like the guy I recommended them to, they're a great exercise. elevate your feet or hands to add or reduce weight. easy peasy. but you're an idiot who doesn't know anything about programming or I wouldn't have had to explain this to you.
>>35620452
Go look up what "isotopes" means, kiddo. It ain't got nothing to do with amino acids, which is what you really mean.
>>35620443
except that his work is cited. and scientific fact. and not broscience unlike "bro cal in, cal out, lmao" overly simplistic bullshit.
1. Bevilacqua L, Ramsey JJ, Hagopian K, Weindruch R, and Harper ME. Effects of short- and medium-term calorie restriction on muscle mitochondrial proton leak and reactive oxygen species production. American journal of physiology Endocrinology and metabolism 286: E852-861, 2004.
2. Bryner RW, Ullrich IH, Sauers J, Donley D, Hornsby G, Kolar M, and Yeater R. Effects of resistance vs. aerobic training combined with an 800 calorie liquid diet on lean body mass and resting metabolic rate. Journal of the American College of Nutrition 18: 115-121, 1999.
3. Chaston TB, Dixon JB, and O’Brien PE. Changes in fat-free mass during significant weight loss: a systematic review. International journal of obesity 31: 743-750, 2007.
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5. Doucet E, St-Pierre S, Almeras N, Despres JP, Bouchard C, and Tremblay A. Evidence for the existence of adaptive thermogenesis during weight loss. The British journal of nutrition 85: 715-723, 2001.
6. Dulloo AG, Jacquet J, and Girardier L. Poststarvation hyperphagia and body fat overshooting in humans: a role for feedback signals from lean and fat tissues. The American journal of clinical nutrition 65: 717-723, 1997.
>>35620443
>>35620506
7. Esterbauer H, Oberkofler H, Dallinger G, Breban D, Hell E, Krempler F, and Patsch W. Uncoupling protein-3 gene expression: reduced skeletal muscle mRNA in obese humans during pronounced weight loss. Diabetologia 42: 302-309, 1999.
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>>35620469
the nitrogen atoms found in the amino acids are of different isotopes.
molecularly they are identical, except that one molecule is compose of a slightly different isotope (i believe nitrogen, but could be mistaken, it could easily be carbon), assuming equal amounts of the same aminos, which i am.
>>35620506
The articles he cites support my position that any metabolic slowdown is due to loss of lean mass, you moron.
Congratulations on being an idiot?
Is it okay to be a healthy weight with intermediate lifting levels instead of someone that /fit/ would say is fit?
>>35620506
>>35620541
12. Leibel RL and Hirsch J. Diminished energy requirements in reduced-obese patients. Metabolism: clinical and experimental 33: 164-170, 1984.
13. Maclean PS, Bergouignan A, Cornier MA, and Jackman MR. Biology’s response to dieting: the impetus for weight regain. American journal of physiology Regulatory, integrative and comparative physiology 301: R581-600, 2011.
14. Maestu J, Eliakim A, Jurimae J, Valter I, and Jurimae T. Anabolic and catabolic hormones and energy balance of the male bodybuilders during the preparation for the competition. Journal of strength and conditioning research / National Strength & Conditioning Association 24: 1074-1081, 2010.
15. Maestu J, Jurimae J, Valter I, and Jurimae T. Increases in ghrelin and decreases in leptin without altering adiponectin during extreme weight loss in male competitive bodybuilders. Metabolism: clinical and experimental 57: 221-225, 2008.
16. Paddon-Jones D, Westman E, Mattes RD, Wolfe RR, Astrup A, and Westerterp-Plantenga M. Protein, weight management, and satiety. The American journal of clinical nutrition 87: 1558S-1561S, 2008.
17. Rosenbaum M, Hirsch J, Gallagher DA, and Leibel RL. Long-term persistence of adaptive thermogenesis in subjects who have maintained a reduced body weight. The American journal of clinical nutrition 88: 906-912, 2008.
18. Rosenbaum M and Leibel RL. Adaptive thermogenesis in humans. International journal of obesity 34 Suppl 1: S47-55, 2010.
19. Rossow LM, Fukuda DH, Fahs CA, Loenneke JP, and Stout JR. Natural bodybuilding competition preparation and recovery: a 12-month case study. International journal of sports physiology and performance 8: 582-592, 2013.
20. Trexler ET, Smith-Ryan AE, and Norton LE. Metabolic adaptation to weight loss: implications for the athlete. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 11: 7, 2014.
Whats the name of that app or website where you plug in your lifts and it tells you where you are (novice intermediate etc)?
>>35620541
>>35620563
Still supporting my position that any metabolic slowdown is solely the result of a loss of lean mass.
Congrats on continuing to be an idiot.
>>35620544
>due to loss of lean mass
like what you experience when you eat at a caloric deficit for ~18 months?
>>35620563
21. Weyer C, Walford RL, Harper IT, Milner M, MacCallum T, Tataranni PA, and Ravussin E. Energy metabolism after 2 y of energy restriction: the biosphere 2 experiment. The American journal of clinical nutrition 72: 946-953, 2000.
22. Wilson JM, Marin PJ, Rhea MR, Wilson SM, Loenneke JP, and Anderson JC. Concurrent training: a meta-analysis examining interference of aerobic and resistance exercises. Journal of strength and conditioning research / National Strength & Conditioning
tl;dr: metabolic adaptation is very real, but only a concern if you have been cutting for well over a year.
greg o'gallagher is the natty king.
>>35620547
what /fit/ would say is fit. would be at a healthy BMI.
your "healthy weight" is probably overweight.
8-12% bodyfat is when the body is in peak physical performance.
below 8% is generally where thing start to get unhealthy (hormone problems if insufficient SFA and carbohydrate intake, bone density issues, lots of bad shit)
>>35620588
strength standards
but it has some retarded spelling
>>35620589
>cut over 100lb over the course of 18 months
>nah bro, you didn't lose any lean mass
fuck off, broscientist.
>>35620595
I meant like 12% bf with intermediate lifts if that helps
>>35620595
>thinking that a loss of lean mass from 18 months of weight loss can be corrected by a couple days of eating maintenance
really now? are you moving the goalpost already?
>>35620589
also anyone just has to read and understand these citations to comprehend how they 100% back everything i have said... as far as metabolic adaptation being a real factor, and increasing calories closer to maintenance to being a solution.
>>35620607
>thinks I said you wouldn't lose lean mass while dieting
are you a fucking idiot with reading comprehension problems or did I forget a word somewhere. fucking quote where you got this idiotic notion or fuck off.
>>35620626
metabolic "adaptation" is bullshit. there is no magic slowdown of metabolic rate relative to the amount of lean mass. you're clearly an idiot.
>>35620613
most of /fit/ would call that fit.
but i would question the veracity of your bodyfat %
show me your abs pls.
>>35620620
no, but it will restore leptin, ghrelin, and cortisol levels back to normal, and help him obliterate his weight loss plateau.
which was my only claim
>>35620658
Those are totally irrelevant to metabolic rate. And they'll go straight back to being the way they were as soon as you go back to the diet. Your own citations demonstrate this. As you'd know if you'd bothered to read more than the titles.
>>35620648
>agrees with the 22 citations talking about "metabolic adaptation"
>disagrees with the article explaining the findings
how is that cognitive dissonance treating you?
pretty good because it is coupled with scientific illiteracy?
well that's good to hear..
keep doing you.
>>35620680
confirmed for not having actually read the citations, and just arguing on 4chan.
cortisol and leptin is talked about in multiple references i linked
>>35620693
>can't tell the difference between metabolic rate not changing and the body adapting to burning more fat
>thinks they're the same metabolic adaptation
That's you equivocating, not me having cognitive dissonance, kiddo. Kill yourself.
>>35620708
>confirmed for not knowing what metabolic rate is
>confirmed for not having any knowledge whatsoever about biochemistry
Congratulations on continuing to be an idiot?
>>35620658
I'm wasn't saying I was there, I was saying that's my goal
I'm probably ~21% bf with untrained-novice lifts
6'2" 220lbs, 5 reps
>Squat
235lbs
>Diddly
245lbs
>Bench
165lbs
>OHP
115lbs
if I'm working out 4-5 days a week but don't really count calories, am I still going to become more fit, whether it's getting bigger or leaner?
>>35620788
Count your fucking macros
>>35620763
You need to lose about 15 lbs before you're in the normal BMI range.
>>35620788
Yes. You'll get stronger.
>>35620802
>>35620763
25 lbs, not 15
>>35620802
>>35620823
Yea I know, according to my calculations I'm packing around 30 pounds of fat I don't need. And I'm fucking sick of it.
>>35620859
You'll get there. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other.
>>35620871
Thanks man. I thought about cutting just so I could feel a difference and start with a new leaf but since it's winter I figured I should bulk instead.
So I've bulked. Did I do it right?
>>35620903
Maybe a little too much bulk, but it's nothing that can't be fixed. Don't worry about it. You'll be a sick cunt by summer.
I'm at around 13% BF I think, been lifting for half a year but not seriously, should I bulk or cut? Is it all just my opinion
>>35620912
I really needed that reassurance man, I feel reinvigorated now. It's gonna be the summer of anon.
>>35620763
my dead is 330 and my bench is like 130
fuck rowing mang
>>35620947
Slow bulk.
>>35620960
At least you know what to work on for the off season.
>>35620960
I bet you've got sick biceps though
6'1" 185. I've done SS to the point where my lifts are mediocre at best, no where near lmao2plate for my bench but everything else is above 200lbs, except OHP. Looking to transition to an aesthetic routine now that I have a good base for my lifts. What programs are recommended? I'm looking to put on more mass, no more strength. Senpai pls.
>>35620999
*and lats
I can't even imagine
>>35621036
Mass without strength, eh? Synthol is probably your best bet.
Or you could just accept that you'll hypertrophy on a strength program and get stronger on a hypertrophy program.
Built Like a Badass is probably something like what you want. Do that.
How long should my EC cycle last?
>>35621093
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=106816881
There's a new Anytime fitness opening in town. How are they as a gym? Decent, or is it Planet Bitchness level bad?
How strong does /fit/ expect a person to be before they consider moving from SS to an intermediate routine?
>>35621110
Also I only have one working kidney, hotnfit says I shouldn't do an ec.
Is this accurate?
>>35621126
That's just for liability. You'll probably be fine. Both kidneys tend to fail at the same time in people with kidney disease and such.
>>35621120
Move on from SS when you can no longer get all your reps.
>>35621114
google "yelp anytime fitness"
planet fitness is generally a half point higher than them near me. ymmv.
>>35621174
I figured it was for liability, well I am going to give it a try and see how I feel.
Thanks for the help anon
So I have been getting into fitness for the past few months and I am just now realizing that 99% of the people I look up to and wish to emulate are juicing.
How do you deal with the sadness that comes with realizing natty life gains are garbage by internet standards?
>>35621241
Read Jack Kerouac's book On the Road. You will learn that being cynical can get you very laid.
>>35621241
I realize that all that maintenence and cost isn't worth it and move on with my life
Hey guys, A few days ago before lifting I think I pulled or strained something during my warmup, pic related is the area. It feels tender, quite sore and It definitely feels uncomfortable when I move my right leg, given the location of it I think it's some sort of muscle that has been strained. I did legs the following day but couldn't finish the workout because it felt pretty troublesome, I was just wondering what you guys think. I assume the best course of action is to just completely rest it until it's back to 100%, so sadly no deadlifts today ;_; Have any of you anons had similar pain in the same area and can provide clarification as to what I might have done?
>>35621267
That's actually not something I have ever considered.
How much money does it take to actually maintain being on roids?
>>35621174
So it doesn't matter how strong I am at the end, just when I'm stalling in all lifts i should stop?
>>35621281
dbol is cheaper than whey protein. and it's what arnold took.
>>35621295
He looks crusty as fuck now though. That's my real problem with roids
>>35621281
Not that guy, but probably a lot. You have to factor in the cost drugs and tons of food. The time cost of increasing your volume in your routine, and the risk cost of dealing with illegal shit.
Basically it's not worth it for most sane people who don't make a living using their physique.
>>35621276
Could be this.
http://www.triggerpoints.net/muscle/pectineus
>>35621306
Tanning more than roids. And you do know he's almost 70, right?
>>35621306
Don't worry, when you are a washed up guy with a dad bod you can get on TRT legally!
>>35621308
Yea but I already have to do a lot of that stuff and I deal with other drugs that are probably worse in legal terms.
We already spend so much time in the gym and on food.
>>35621315
>And you do know he's almost 70, right?
Holy fucking shit. That means I am getting old too. Time is a cruel bitch. RIP Arnold.
is tuna good for cutting? even the cheap stuff tastes good on everything, i put it on salads sometimes. Im not sure if it was supposed to be good for bulking instead, and also the amount of mercury it may contain
>>35621319
What made you take the jump into juice? Did you just decide to get on it when you reached your limit and the natty gains basically disappeared?
>>35621330
No. Tuna has a lot of mercury in it. Best not to eat it more than once or twice a week.
>>35621352
>not activating your mercury
y/n?
>>35621352
well shit, I was planning on buying a ton of it next week. Should I stick to chicken titties then?
What about lentils and black beans, are they good for cutting or bulking?
>>35621345
I'm not juiced haha, I have just never really considered the financial implications of going on juice.
Can I have a picture of the small guy vs big guy un a fight logic? Is a drawing with a stick figure. Pls.
>>35621352
Fuck off it doesn't, this shit pisses me off the most.
Tuna servings are recommended for pregnant women and children because they have developing nervous systems, you're a fully grown fucking man so you're fine.
How do I get free samples?
>>35621373
Oh I see, misunderstood.
>>35621315
I opened that link and it seems to be the correct area though I'm having trouble navigating the site. Is there any further information about recovery, symptoms and other information?
How do I stop dreaming/having dreams about her /fit/?
Dead serious.
>>35621367
Smell it. Does it smell like it's gone bad?
>>35621403
search your favorite torrent site for "trigger point workbook"
that site is set up so you click on it where it hurts. the black x is where you massage to release the muscle, the red is where the pain is.
Im getting kinda scared reading all this about mercury in tuna, I think I ate 3 cans of 120 grams each (4.2oz) in the last 2 days. am I gonna die /fit/?
Is this a decent daily average
>>35621419
fuck someone new. meditate. get a hobby. distract yourself whenever you find yourself having unwanted thoughts.
if that doesn't work, just accept that you'll have to live with it.
>>35621431
nah, it has that slightly off fake smell this casein has always had.
>>35621437
You'd need to do that over and over every day for months.
>>35621439
10,000 is a very good number of steps.
>>35621448
Mix up a smidge (like 1/2 a tsp) and try it and wait an hour. If you feel fine, go for it. Worst that should happen is a little diarrhea or vomiting.
>>35621437
>am I gonna die
We're all going to die
I have barely any fat on my body, but still getting gains, what can I do to strength my upper shoulders and neck? I am like really ugly skelly at these parts
>>35621437
elemental mercury isn't quite as nasty as the organic counterpart
>>35621437
You're about 50% closer to death. 120 more grams and you're good as gone, that mercury lingers for years.
>>35621440
I'm trying so hard bro.
My sister caught me breaking down in the bathroom and went berserk threatening to kill that bitch.
And my bro in laws been trying to help me out a lot too with a much needed male perspective.
But I seriously need to just go out and find/fuck someone new to replace the pain.
I never thought it would be so hard anon. Never.
>>35621469
Deadlifts. And eat more.
>>35621475
Sounds like symptoms of low test.
>>35621475
>My sister caught me breaking down in the bathroom and went berserk threatening to kill that bitch.
>>35621475
Jam a needle full of test into your buttcheek and you'll be good as new.
>>35621489
no matter how much I eat I don't get fat, but gains are proving useful and I got some weight, I ignored deadlifts before, how dumb I am, thanks for the fast answer, maybe I will try expanding my stomach by eating a fuckload everyday
>>35621475
>breaking down
Bruh, you're obsessed. Keep driving and leave that cunt on the roadside. You're better off without her.
>>35621489
>>35621510
I guess I'll just binge on broccoli and other high test foods then.
>>35621532
Good idea, stay smart.
Hey I'm doing SL5x5 + dips/chin-ups.
should I add other assistance lifts? I was thinking about skullcrushers and barbell curls. But idk, I want to work harder on my chest.
Any recommendations?
>>35621532
Steak and eggs, man.
No beer. That's bitch tits in a bottle.
>>35621527
Thanks anon. I'll do my best.
>>35621540
>>35621544
>>35621527
This is why everytime I feel down I come to /fit/
I love you guys, thanks.