So /fit/ what's your thought on the dairy industry?
https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI
I like dairy.
I don't like animal abuse.
Hope that helps OP
>>35524599
This
I'm lucky to have a local coop that sells raw milk... I dont have to use pasteurized inferior milk from abused cows.
>>35524623
>raw milk
you really dumb
Sensationalism coupled with wildly misrepresenting science.
So veganism.
Look at all these tortured and abused animals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FfezURCRaM
>>35524651
care to explain beyond "hurr durr you really dumb?"
>>35524042
This is why i'm vegan
>>35524651
>he fell for fda and dairy industry propaganda
>>35524042
My country's dairy industry is fine. So no problem here. Don't really use dairy products when abroad because creepy factor.
>>35524042
>>35524682
>>35524695
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/02/a-mom-and-a-dairymans-plea-dont-feed-children-raw-milk/#.Vo6S3LYrJdg
>>35524963
>clickbait article scaremongering with immunocompromised people on a website ran by a food safety lawyer
kek
>>35525089
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095671351200535X
>>35525396
>first author from the Federal Agency for the Safety of the Food Chain
looks like more alarmist propaganda hellbent on exaggerating the harms of raw milk while conveniently ignoring anything even hinting at benefits. only immunocompromised raw milk drinkers suffer any negative effects if it's fresh and otherwise sourced from a well maintained farm.
>>35524042
I didn't like that.
Not one bit.
How can anyone be so fucking cruel? The people I know that work on the local farm are definitely not like that, noone here at the village is like that.
I guess it takes America to fuck everything up.
Here in Europe stuff like that doesn't happen.
>>35524599
I'm not worried about animal abuse, personally. Mostly because I'm not mentally ill and I don't anthropomorphize beasts.
Different strokes.
>>35524042
this videos only make me want to kill more animals
>>35525773
Raw milk has benefits
[Citation needed]
>>35525773
>Agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) in the United States, and other regulatory agencies around the world say that
pathogens from raw milk, including potentially tuberculosis, diphtheria, typhoid, and streptococcal
infections,[11] make it unsafe to consume
>Similarly, a recent review authored by the Belgian Federal Agency for the Safety of the Food Chain and experts from Belgian universities and institutions concluded that "raw milk poses a realistic health threat due to a possible contamination with human pathogens. It is therefore strongly recommended that milk should be heated before consumption. With the exception of an altered organoleptic [flavor] profile, heating (particularly ultra high temperature and similar treatments) will not substantially change the nutritional value of raw milk or other benefits associated with raw milk consumption.
>Research shows only very slight differences in the nutritional values of pasteurized and unpasteurized milk.
>being mentally ill
>>35525892
>I'm not worried about animal abuse, personally. Mostly because I'm not mentally ill and I don't anthropomorphize beasts.
You are literally retarded.
>>35525956
It's actually you who is psychologically abnormal. There's a bell curve for empathy and normativity (and thus a healthy perspective) exists in the middle, not on either end of the curve. Having a misaligned sense of empathy is extremely unhealthy.
>>35525892
try a bit harder mate, having empathy for an animal does not mean you anthropomorphize it, obviously
>>35524963
Good thing I'm not a child.
>>35525971
Having empathy is normal.
Being overly empathetic is a personality disorder.
>>35525971
but it's an animal anon, it doesn't even know its alive
>>35524651
>That one episode of Portlandia.
>>35525981
that may be so, but having empathy for animals does not constitute being 'overly empathetic'
>>35525983
an interesting point, is it 'self awareness' that you see to be the key here? (bear in mind humans are of course animals)
>>35525981
You're full of shit.
In what way was I being overly empathetic and when did I anthropomorphize animals?
>>35526006
Having empathy for animals is fine.
But the vast majority of people (and hence normativity, ie. not in the realm of a personality disorder) consume milk and animals.
You have a personality disorder. Your position isn't inherently logical. I'll say it one last time; it reflects a personality disorder. A lack of psycho-normativity. The problem is you, not other people.
I love dairy products. Any chance I have to visit my grandparents in door county wisconsin I take a bike ride to get some of those sweet sweet freshly made cheese curds
I don't like animal abuse, and I prefer for them not to be abused, but impregnating them artificially and milking them isn't abuse, though of course it can be done in an abusive manner
i fucking love milk but it gives me lots of acne
>>35526006
I don't see a key because I don't need one. I don't know or care if animals are aware or not.
I had a cat, I loved it. I eat meat because I love it. Don't you see, I too love cows, just the dead ones
>>35526016
well you haven't even read my posts have you, I never claimed to not drink milk or eat meat, calling me a 'problem' does not make your argument any more convincing.
Just because something is 'the norm' does not mean it cannot be improved upon. Think slavery.
>>35525983
how do you know you are alive?
>comment section on that video
jesus fucking christ
>>35526045
There's no argument to be had. Emotions can't be argued in the realm of fact. You either have a certain emotional perspective or you don't. My only desire was to demonstrate that yours was/is abnormal. The comparison to slavery is unwarranted, which can be argued against in the realm of fact and overlaps with a normative bell curve (ie. human empathy).
>>35526061
>>35525981
>>35525983
the edge
>>35526016
>But the vast majority of people (and hence normativity, ie. not in the realm of a personality disorder) consume milk and animals.
I wouldn't consider 'normative' to be the end-of-all-discussions argument. Normativity in the middle ages meant believing that the Earth is flat, burning people for looking fishy and wedding 12yo to 40yo just to ensure a good marriage from the business standpoint.
Normativity is also progressively creating society where mentally ill people (all the transgenders, agenders, furrygenders and I don't know what else) are getting a sort of 'saint' or 'martyr' status, encouraging more to turn to this behaviour.
>>35526053
Because I know I will die one day. Animals have no concept of death, or even concept of concept for that, and can't therefore know they are alive
>>35526029
I put it to you that you didn't kill and eat your cat, correct?
If you were to raise and kill the animal yourself, rather than have it done out of your sight (and this out of mind) your attitude toward eating meat would likely be very different
>these edits
Fucking present your information. Don't constantly move the camera around and make nothing but emotional pleas of "isn't sticking your hand in a vagina gross yall?"
Its so funneh... This is the AMERICAN (3. World tier) way of abusive industry for feeding your obese population. Not erry country act like barbarians towards animals :^)
>>35526077
see
>>35526065
Personality distribution (and thus normativity) is heritable, not culturally conditioned.
>>35525908
there are probiotic effects of raw milk from the entero-mammary pathway, drinking milk without these bacteria can cause problems
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24033881
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3393783/
certain proteins and complex molecules in raw milk are indeed active and escape digestion
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25899687
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25565082
there are adverse effects of heat milk compounds
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23238657
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7603887
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1608054
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2208161
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/4/3/294.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17162329
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0368131967800097
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0021915086901322
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16037267
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308814606001233
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10335375
an intact milk fat globule (destroyed by heating) is required to prevent postprandial hyperlipidemia
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25581036
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11738068
http://digitalarchive.maastrichtuniversity.nl/fedora/get/guid:41a157d5-adb3-4e1a-888b-b05e590b9d5e/ASSET1
raw milk also contains bioavailable glutamylcysteine which has some interesting effects see this article
http://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/cmasterjohn/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-raw-foods-glutathione
there are others but i have better things to do right now than post them all on 4chan, do your own research and draw your own conclusions
>>35526082
If my cat was an animal that ate grass and I had it because I wanted it for the meat I would have killed it. But cats are carnivores and their meat is rough and chewy, just like dogs
>>35525922
those pathogens are nonexistent in clean farms or in such pathetically small quantities that they pose the same kind of health hazard to healthy people as walking outside
once again it's only a problem for the immunocompromised
that biased shill review used by the dairy industry to evangelize farmers not part of their CAFO botnet is the same one already posted
keep projecting, and blindingly believing authorities without doing your own research
>>35526104
Dumping flimsy science isn't an argument. I sincerely doubt you're statistically trained and have looked at those studies in terms of methodological rigor.
Scientific consensus says raw milk is unhealthy and provides no health benefits. That is the correct position to hold.
You really need to stop dunning-kruger sperging.
>>35526124
>keep projecting, and blindingly believing authorities without doing your own research
It's actually intellectually rigorous to hold positions consistent with those held by academic consensus in fields where success or failure is contingent on empirical data.
Holding positions inconsistent with scientific consensus and methodological study of empirical data (meta-analyses and the like) is why global warming denial and general stupidity exists.
You aren't smart enough or trained enough to do your own "science". You're likely moronic and went to a community college.
>>35524042
>implying ill listen to what some liberal whore has to say about this
link me a scientific video with evidence that doesnt try to impose an agenda on me and ill listen
>>35526105
>But cats are carnivores and their meat is rough and chewy, just like dogs
Just slow cook it and the toughness will go away and the meat will become very tender. It's the same with most wild game or any old animal slaughtered for meat. The reason cat or dog meat is tough is because the animal died as an adult or far into adulthood. People are so used to eating young animals (and processed meat) that they no longer understand how muscles age in livestock.
>>35526102
I'm not the one you were talking to before, I just commented on your 'normativity' statement, which I consider to be a weak argument to be thrown around as if it was the rhetorical K.O.
Again, reading through your discussion, the fact that everyone eats meat and milk has nothing to do with emotions, it's something that just is, because there are no other means of feeding so many mouths with just plants, nor would many people accept their steak being taken away, humans, after all, are omnivores, there's no arguing there.
>I'm not worried about animal abuse, personally. Mostly because I'm not mentally ill and I don't anthropomorphize beasts.
going back to this statement, I don't know if you're just trying to be edgy or are the 'emotionally outside the boundaries of normativity one' since most people consider animal abuse to be horrific, disgusting and forbidden (yet the meat industry profits and people eat meat. I'd like to call this ironic but most people have no idea what does it take for their steak to appear on the plate and probably consider it to be summoned from another dimension by a magician).
The fact that people dislike the (industrial) animal abuse is not because they anthropomorphize animals. It's a sense of guilt and disgust at themselves and the acts they are witnessing, for they are presented with what the animals have to suffer for them to fill their stomach. It's also a question of empathy we feel for other living beings in general (at least those that we consider cute, useful, pitiable...) and which many 'intelligent' or 'sentient' living beings (such as monkies, dolphins, birds) feel for other living beings. This would mean that you are the emotional deviant here.
tl;dr: your arguments suck, you're just edgy
FYI, I ha some 200g of chicken meat for dinner and klobasa, gonna eat quark in a while, so no, I'm not a vegan forcing veganism onto you.
>>35526155
>appeal to authority is intellectually rigorous
>the consensus i perceive is the right one
:^)
great job projecting again. i'm not the one entering debates where i can't do anything more than regurgitate authority. you're lacking the education on this topic to look at direct evidence.
>All of these vegan youtubers, making daily videos about veganism and fighting for animals lives and well being
>If they spent this much time trying to raise money for the homeless and working in soup kitchens they could be saving human lives instead of merely talking about ethics and veganism
>>35526104
Are you rawmilkmike?
https://disqus.com/by/tod2/
>that guy with acne that still takes whey and other dairy products
>>35526403
who cares about human lives, there's like 7 billion of us
>>35524042
Worked on a cattle farm. They are dumb as fuck. Milk is good and delicious so is meat. The end.
Looks like there's been a pretty dank discussion about raw milk in here. I've been drinking it consistently for a decade and somehow I've never gotten sick or died. I currently drink two gallons of it a week. Amazing.
>>35524042
I wouldn't mind putting her in the rape rack
>>35526128
>Scientific consensus says raw milk is unhealthy and provides no health benefits
[citation needed]
http://modernfarmer.com/2014/03/americans-envy-europes-raw-milk-vending-machines/
So is the FDA autistic or what?
>>35527107
Yes, some lady from the FDA or USDA said that drinking raw milk is "literally playing with your life." I'm sure some people here agree with that. The same dumb niggers that take antibiotics for a cold.
>>35527213
>Literally playing Russian roulette with your health
That's the quote. What a bitch no need to bring the Russians into this.
