ITT gains killers
>tfw dying for a coke float at the movie but it will fuck my shit up
>>35484732
I think I'm going to vomit.
>>35484732
Fucking disgusting. Fat dripping pizza and sugar bombs.
How can someone eat this shit?
Is it true that any kind of carbonation is bad for you or is it the sugar that kills you?
>>35484788
Diet soda is fine, just don't overdo it.
The rest is shit tier.
>>35484831
>Diet soda is fine
Except for the whole cancer shit
>>35484788
The sugar recks your shit senpai
>>35484844
give me a reputable source that diet soda/aspartame causes cancer. I'm waiting.
>>35484732
Bulk season amirite
>>35484780
I eat this stuff all the time because I'm in the process of leaving Auchwitz. I'm not even DYEL anymore. this stuff's amazing, B&J is like 2100C a pot if you choose the Caramel Sutra
>>35484867
This is just going to make you fat, eat a steak, not carb shit.
Women
/thread
>>35484844
i cant believe the number of people who actually believe this shit
>>35484882
I know matey, I was below 10% BF though, want to bulk both muscle and fat for a while, I was horrifically skinny. I eat meat at least twice a day and gains are thick and fast atm
>>35484857
Aspartame causes a lot more problems than cancer buddy. Instead of waiting for other people to research your shit for you, how about you take 2 seconds to go find out for yourself instead of asking to be spoon fed like a baby?
>not drinking 100% juice, water, and smoothies exclusively
It's like you want to be a fat shit.
>>35484712
>drinking any liquid that is't water, milk, tea/coffee or alcohol
>>35484918
>milk
Meanwhile on your back...
>>35484918
>alcohol
>alcohol
>alcohol
say goodbye to your gains
>>35484844
I drink a liter of this shit every day. Have for years and I'm healthy as fuck. Aspartame doesn't cause cancer you retard.
Literally EVERY study has failed to determine a relationship between aspartame and cancer.
>>35484910
>want to bulk both muscle and fat
>want
>fat
why?
>>35484931
I know senpai
eat barely any sugar whatsoever (only from fruit) so I get no spots
>>35484938
except dem social gains
only once every 3 weeks
>>35484918
>tea/coffee or alcohol
These will fucking wreck your gains. Especially if it's sweet tea or anything but black coffee.
>>35484915
you get your degree at broscience university bro?
I wasn't actually expecting a source because there isn't one. Stop believing everything you hear. I bet you think MSG causes headaches too.
>>35484952
bc this is fuuugleh
>>35484915
Really? Im not him, but when you claim facts you should have a reliable source to cite. You cant just say "hurr durr, find it urself"
I have a burger once a week and some pizza once a week. Will this fuck my shit up?
>>35484957
I have black coffee 3 times a week on average
>>35484732
I'd have no trouble eating a pizza like that (although I heard from people that American pizza is impossible when you are not used to it), but the ice cream, coke and cakes — no way. I just can't eat/drink stuff like that in those quantities any longer.
>>35484982
As long as you aren't dumping sugar in it black coffee is fine nigga.
>>35484990
hell no senpai, 2 teaspoons of coffee, and water, then stir the fuck out of it with a blender until it's frothy as hell
>>35484999
Check'd and confirmed for gonna make it.
>>35484857
>There are thousands of food and beverage choices that have been tested over hundreds of years, are known to be healthy.
>Still drinks coloured water sweetened with obscure chemicals with unknown long term complications and zero nutritional value.
Yeah, you are the smart one, I'm sure.
>>35485045
>unknown long term complications
>Implying there are definitely complications
Source or shut the fuck up.
>>35485105
Enjoy your sugar water you fat motherfucker, you'll never make it.
>>35484712
You must not have a chronic healthy diet if you think that shit is still desirable. I was raised on coke/diet coke as a fat kid with a cat single mom. Despite being raised on that shit, I've been eating so much real food that that stuff is actually repulsive now. If you keel your diet on track your body will get used to real foods instead
>>35485105
They're only unknown long term because they haven't existed for long. The short term effects aren't good so long term would probably be even worse. Stop trying to defend your vice man, it's okay, everyone has a vice. Take the good with the bad.
>>35484857
It doesnt fucking cause cancer.
HOWEVER.
It contains Phenylalanine.
Its main thing is tricking the brain into believing the substance is somewhat sweeter than it is.
But i mean its also in soy, milk, chicken, eggs, good shit, etc.
Im just paranoid about artificial junk.
>>35485133
>>35485105
>>35485145
150 pound fags worrying they will gain a pound and lose their holocaust 12 year old boy abs
>>35484968
>implying a fighter before weighting would care about anything but his weight
>>35484917
Unless you're drinking green pure lettuce juice, and Smoothies with halt a bag or lettuce or so, you may as well be drinking soda. Juice and Smoothies as filled with sugar, we weren't supposed to inhale the juice of 20 apples at once.
>>35485145
>>35485133
Jesus, talking science with non-STEM majors is like talking to a brick wall
you guys don't have to live up to the meathead stereotype
>>35485133
>aspartame is sugar
Shut the fuck up
>>35485145
You can't fucking assume it has negative effects if none have been found. Innocent until proven guilty.
>>35485157
>Smoking is the same as aspartame
>>35485162
bitches like 150 lb fags with 12 year old boy abs.
Stay lonely fatty.
>>35484957
Real actual tea and coffee are just fine as long as you're not downing multiple gallons a day. I put honey and milk in my tea and it works just fine. Frappucinos and flavored largest and the like are not real coffee. Sweet is is also not real tea- its sugar with a hint of tea.
>>35484788
Drinking soda during the time you eat food or take a multi could have an impact on the absorption of micro nutrients.
And the sugar is fine, as long as your macros are fitting your needs.
The only thing "bad" about soda is the negative impact on dental health. (Sugary drink and carbonation and food coloring.)
Diet soda is less bad for the teeth.
But drinking 2L of soda a day won't harm you, as long as everything else is in check.
Even fruits, coffee and tea will stain your teeth and contain acids that make a dentist slightly uncomfortable.
>>35484938
Alcohol isn't bad for gains.
Consuming too much is bad for gains.
>>35485203
>carbonation
Carbonation has been proven to have no effect on teeth in and of itself.
>>35485170
I'm a physics grad student, and they are right, long term effects are not established because there are simply no samples yet.
You are one of those samples, and a rational thinking human would never drink diet soda when there are so many well established alternatives out there. The reason you drink diet soda is because you fucked up your taste buds and can't live through a day without overloading them with sweeteners.
>>35484945
I always wonder if there are nutritions in this shit because they claim its water
>>35485219
>so many well established alternatives
>Milk is bad
>Coffee and tea are bad
>Juice is bad
It's fucking water or nothing. There are no alternatives.
>>35485223
It tastes good and keeps my piss clean. Sounds enough like water to me.
>>35485219
>long term effects are not established
i agree with that, but that's not what they're saying.
They're saying that there is definitive evidence that aspartame causes cancer or other ill effects. I'm asking them to show me a source on that.
>>35485170
>hurrdurr stem major
Of course you would be the type to drink diet soda. For starters when the artificial sweetener hits your body your mind starts preparing for sugar and the energy and such associated with it because it has sensed it being digested. When your body does not receive said sugar with its calories and expected chemical structure, your neurotransmitters freak out and think.something went wrong. They now will amp up your appetite because they expected sugar, didn't get it, and think something is wrong. This is one of the few, aye that diet soda ducks with your body's chemistry.
>Waugh I'm a stem major who's too stupid to admit when I'm wrong
How stupid can you be to think those shitty chemicals aren't going to fuck with you?
Soda fag getting bodied itt
>>35485252
>For starters when the artificial sweetener hits your body your mind starts preparing for sugar and the energy and such associated with it because it has sensed it being digested. When your body does not receive said sugar with its calories and expected chemical structure, your neurotransmitters freak out and think.something went wrong. They now will amp up your appetite because they expected sugar, didn't get it, and think something is wrong. This is one of the few, aye that diet soda ducks with your body's chemistry.
That's some top class bro science man. real nice.
I don't even like soda. Just hate scientifically illiterate morons.
>>35485281
I don't drink soda. I'm the sparkling water fag.
>bodied
Boy they sure are wrecking me with all this lack of proof and baseless facts.
>>35485299
>didn't refute what anon said
BODIED
O
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I
E
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Do people often assume you're a stupid meathead after you made it?
>>35485242
No, they are not saying that. They are saying that you are an idiot for just trusting the Coca-Cola Company (or whatever) with this. It's very possible that they find that drinking certain artificial sweeteners (and diet sodas basically contain all of them at once, because why not, right?) in your youth greatly enhances the risk of getting Alzheimers early or whatever. What are you doing then? Nobody is going to defend your case. Everybody, especially the food industry, will be acting exactly as dumb as you are right now. So, really, why are you defending your stupid choice? Because that's what it is. It won't help you then that you "didn't know any better". You bring these things to yourself with grossly negligent decisions like that. Why push it, when you can have safe alternatives?
>>35485311
It's not deserving of a response. Just the same old pseudoscience myths that are repeated over and over until people believe without question. Just like MSG causing headaches, dairy causing acne, etc.
But just listen and believe.
>>35484732
I know it's bait but that shit has to be at LEAST for 4-6 people
>>35485351
>Why push it, when you can have safe alternatives
Because it fucking is a safe alternative and you have NOTHING saying otherwise.
>>35485419
People said the same about cigarettes in the 50s
>>35484732
Looks pretty unappealing desu
>>35485105
Ok, what about this:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3436681?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
"The results of the study show for the first time that APM, in our experimental conditions, causes a) an increased incidence of malignant-tumor-bearing animals, b) an increase in lymphomas and leukemias with a positive significant trend, c) a statistically significant increased incidence, with a positive significant trend (p ≤ 0.01), of transitional cell carcinomas of the renal pelvis and ureter"
Study from 2006, so significant. Aspartame seems to cause cancer, buddy.
>>35485437
Science is better now than it was then. Back then they weren't trying to prove smokes killed you. Now they are ACTIVELY TRYING to prove aspartame is bad for you and can't find shit. Stop clinging to this shitty argument.
>>35484968
You realize fighters are extremely dehydrated at weight ins, and this has next to nothing to do with body fat
>>35484867
>he fell for the iifym meme without realizing what the macro part was
You're just going to get fat and wish you'd eaten lean from the start.
>>35485419
Yeah, continue clinging to your precious sweet taste, apparently your addiction is enough to pressure you into the most implausible decisions.
You are an idiot, and whatever happens to you, you deserve it.
>>35485457
>Some shitty 10 year old backwater study from a place nobody has ever heard of that has no basis for fact
>Doesn't even mention the dosage or method of administration
Lol. Even if this was a valid study, why would the FDA still approve aspartame and deem it safe for consumption? Checkmate.
>>35485506
>the most implausible decisions
>Drinking something deemed 100% safe by all reputable scientific sources.
Yeah but you keep drinking that tap water with all those chemicals in it without a care. Let's see which one of us dies first.
>>35485457
>As discussed in the article on controversies around aspartame, the Cesare Maltoni Cancer Research Center of the European Ramazzini Foundation of Oncology and Environmental Sciences released several studies which claimed that aspartame can increase several malignancies in rodents, concluding that aspartame is a potential carcinogen at normal dietary doses.[59][60] The EFSA[61] and the FDA[57] discounted the study results due to lack of transparency and numerous flaws in the study, finding no reason to revise their previously established acceptable daily intake levels for aspartame.
http://www.fda.gov/food/ingredientspackaginglabeling/foodadditivesingredients/ucm208580.htm
>>35484831
>didn't read the research about it fucking gut flora and making you experience insulin spikes from the artificial sugar
>doesn't realize the people that can't even give up soda are the same ones having a cheat meal every day because they lack will power
>>35485553
>read the research about it fucking gut flora and making you experience insulin spikes from the artificial sugar
Find me ONE reputable source that confirms this. Go on, I'll wait.
>>35485553
dumb anime poster
>>35485529
>>35485552
Oh, I wasn't aware. I was looking for the methods used in the study, but couldn't find 'em. Good point with FDA-approval, I guess aspartame has yet to be proven carcinogenic.
>>35485529
>>35485529
>why would the FDA still approve aspartame and deem it safe for consumption? Checkmate.
>everything the FDA originally approved of was/is safe
Oh lordy, do you know where you are? This is the united states, not Europe where they actually have to pay for the health of their people. This country runs on money, capitalism, and lobbyist- not on "what's best for us". Soda is big money, coke cola is big money. I bet you didn't know that the oil and car companies also derailed what was the best public transportation system back in the early 1900s, and have made sure to stifle electric and alternative fuel cars for years until it was inevitably popular.
>hurrdurr I'm a stem major but too stupid to understand how our country is run and has been run for years
>>35485529
>why would the FDA still do it
Are you fucking serious right now? The FDA does this all the time.
>put synthetic additive in to "cut" the product to make more out of less for $$$
>take it out and replace it with a different synthetic before it gets banned
If you think the FDA actually cares about your health, you're wrong. This is common practice in business all over the world because people only care about money.
Just give it time and it will become something else. It's like the spice chemical thing but with foods.
>>35485551
>Claims science can guarantee anything 100%
Yeah, you sure know a lot about the scientific method. You did well, good goy.
>>35485592
>aspartame has yet to be proven carcinogenic.
Exactly why I'm confused as fuck to why this is even an argument
>muh cigarettes!
They weren't looking for the dangers of smoking back then. They are looking for the dangers of aspartame now and can't fucking find shit. Plus science is much better now than it was then, making this even more ridiculous of a comparison.
Seriously this is just retarded.
>>35485612
>>35485614
You have NO fucking proof that aspartame is harmful to your health except for stupid fucking broscience and conspiracy theories. Kindly fuck off.
>>35484732
Kek at all the skellies getting nauseous.
>>35485612
>>35485614
If you guys have to fall back on conspiracy theories for your argument then i guess there's no point in discussing this with you any further.
>>35485577
>>35485587
>I'm a stupid nigger, please spoon feed me.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0109841
>Animals on aspartame consumed fewer calories, gained less weight and had a more favorable body composition when challenged with HF compared to animals consuming water. Despite this, aspartame elevated fasting glucose levels and an insulin tolerance test showed aspartame to impair insulin-stimulated glucose disposal in both CH and HF, independently of body composition. Fecal analysis of gut bacterial composition showed aspartame to increase total bacteria, the abundance ofEnterobacteriaceaeandClostridium leptum.
There were other articles that showed the same thing but this was the first result.
Daily reminder that the soda industry is a multi billion dollar industry and they're not above having shills working minimum wage to protect their reputation.
>>35484732
i see your brought your genes
>christmas break
Have to rely on my mothers shitty cooking. Lost a lot of weight.
>artificial sweeteners are bad for your health
You should read some real science because you're not going to make it.
>>35485701
>Animals on aspartame consumed fewer calories, gained less weight and had a more favorable body composition when challenged with HF compared to animals consuming water.
CLEAR AMERICAN SPARKLING WATER CONFIRMED MANDATORY WHEN CUTTING. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
>>35485784
>losing weight at the expense of your gut bacteria which is altered significantly after just 10 fucking days
There is no hope for this country
>>35485834
Just eat some fucking yogurt and take a probiotic you massive retard.
>>35485784
>triggers diabetes like symptoms
Totally safe. Be sure to have a Diet Coke® after your next workout.
TREAT YO SELF
>>35485877
>is product slowly killing you?
>don't worry dummy, just consume other products
Or maybe just avoid diet soda entirely. Fucking water you faggot.
>>35485915
>Slightly fucking your gut flora which can be easily fixed "slowly kills you"
>Drinking tap water packed with waste and chemicals doesn't
Okay.
>>35485784
it tastes like shit tho.
i prefer ginger and lemon slices/whatever and no chemicals ty, then i can get actual nutrition..
this is what pisses me off the most about people in denial. if you want something juicy, have water and fruit, not this simulated shit that often tastes like perfumes
>>35485915
You should he eating yogurt and likely taking a probiotic anyway you fucking pavement ape.
>>35485925
That's just like, your opinion man.
>Fruit
Enjoy your sugar.
>>35485915
>>35485925
>no chemicals ty
Unless you are distilling your own water and growing your own produce I have some bad news for you, fuccboi.
>>35484982
Put some cinnamon in it, or even better, put it on the coffee grains and cook it together.
>>35485924
>slightly
Define slight. I'd say a statistically significant drop in my bodies ability to dump glucose would be more than slight. Especially when I don't even need the shit that's causing it.
Enjoy your diabetes cola retard. The best part is that you're probably better off just drinking regular soda packed with HFC instead of this mystery science shit.
>aspertane is bad for you
>>no it's not, prove it
>here
>>but but early onset diabetes isn't even that bad
Do you do it for free, friendo?
>>35485924
If your tap water is packed with waste and chemicals, and more harmful than diet soda, working out should be the least of your concerns.
Violent revolution should be higher up on the list.
>>35485964
All water in THE WORLD has fucking chemicals in it.
>>35485961
>Implying that was actual proof
>Making the leap that aspartame now causes diabetes because it apparently effects stomach flora slightly
>>35485955
>>35485952
>>35485947
>>35485924
>His world view crushed, the fuccboi shill begins to move the goalpost and fling shit.
You'd better get your foot in the door for professional shilling now because pretty soon you won't have one.
>>35486007
there's fluoride in the water anon
now what are you gonna do
>>35485999
>inhibits the bodies natural insulin response and makes it harder to remove glucose
>I don't know why diabetes is bad
No seriously. You're just making it worse. Just drink regular soda if you need sweets that much.
>>35485999
>cherry picking
You forgot the insulin spiking which leads to insulin insensitivity which leads to diabetes.
>ur study is dum and i only believe in what i want to believe
You're the epitome of cognitive dissonance
To all you stupid faggots bad mouthing aspartame for allegedly being unhealthy and carcinogenic, which is ENTIRELY unproven.
Why aren't you a vegetarian? Processed meat is CONFIRMED to cause cancer. Where is your argument now?
>Don't take away muh sweets!
The thread.
>>35486027
>.7 ppm of fluoride in drinking water
>lethal dose of fluoride means you'd die of water poisoning before the fluoride even began to hurt
Notice: every human that ever died drank water. The government is killing us!!
No seriously. Move that goalpost some more. It's not like you can refute artificial sweeteners spiking insulin and creating the perfect environment for diabetes.
>>35486098
>refute artificial sweeteners spiking insulin and creating the perfect environment for diabetes.
you're reaching quite a bit from a single study. Not that I'd expect you to be able to interpret a study.
>>35486056
The claims of it being carcinogenic are unfounded. The others are not. I have pretty much dropped red meet and am mostly pescatarian at this point. Not for health concerns. Fish is just easy prep work.
>inb4 muh mercury
Pick better fish.
>>35486125
Just saying what it says son. If you can prove otherwise be my guest, shill
ITT everything kills you, but some things make you look hot which gets you laid before you do.
>>35486133
Enjoy your mercury faggot
>>35486157
>Drinking Coca-Cola® will attract hot women
>>35486157
My fuck'n nigga. Wanna share a sparkling water with me and then hit the gym? No homo.
>>35486189
See
>>35485784
>>35485701
Granted I wouldn't expect a retard to read the thread.
>>35484945
Fuck yeah i do the same but with grape
>>35484867
God damn recovering skeletons have it so much easier than recovering fatties
>>35485238
Our ancestors would roll in their graves if they knew we had access to clean drinking water but did everything in our power to avoid it. Like what kind of evolutionary fuck up doesn't like literal life giving water?
>>35486252
>clean drinking water
>Implying common tap water is clean
Are you fucking distilling your own water? Tap water is full of fluoride and estrogen and shit dude.
>>35486252
I'm not advocating for diet soda. I'm advocating for sparkling water. Which is literally water carbonated with aspartame added.
Besides I'm not drinking it instead of water. I drink water in the morning, during work, and at the gym. There's nothing wrong with me having a sparkling water with dinner. Shut the fuck up.
>>35486276
>full of
>less than a single part per million
You still haven't told me if you do it for free or not. Also buy a filter, dummy.
>>35486246
I used to be a fatty, many years ago and I lost all the weight and got obsessed with being thin (thanks, /fa/). At my lowest I was 145 lbs. It became really easy to me to fast for a week and still go for a run every day etc. Now I'm lifting and trying to bulk and it works, somewhat, but it's incredibly hard for me to even reach maintenance. I literally have to force feed myself, I just don't want to any longer. I want to cut again so bad, but it's not time yet. So, really, it depends on the side you are on. It's pretty fucking hard either way, it's just hard to imagine that people on the other side are actually struggling.
>>35486322
I get that both sides are difficult, but one way is longer. To get fit, skeletons just have to lift and bulk. Fatties have to cut forever, then lift and bulk
>>35486439
Why not just lift while you cut as a fat? Turn the fat into muscle breh.
>>35486482
It doesn't work that way. Hard to build muscle when you can only eat less than 2000 calories
>>35486495
So then what does happen if you lift heavy during a cut as a fat? Logically your body should cannibalize your fat and turn it into muscle.
>>35484857
aspartame is viral excrement, you enjoy drinking literal shit?
>>35486512
>aspartame is viral excrement
Wut
Speaking of gains killers. I take 1 - 2 pills .5 mg of Klonopin a day and have been doing so for 2+ years. I'm probably addicted right? I've started having a lot of muscle, pain, numbness, tingling, migraine and other problems. Also I had an MRI and other tests and they've all come back clear so no ms. Could I have burnt out my gaba receptors? Whenever I have something that causes my serotonin levels to rise I go nuts. Get twitches. Head aches and go numb.
What's the deal?
>>35486512
And yogurt/cottage cheese/sour cream/etc... are bacteria rotted dairy. You enjoy eating rotting food?
>>35486505
^^^
>>35486549
Also I think
I begin to have withdrawals when I don't have them for a day or two and I feel like literal garbage.
>>35486549
>I'm probably addicted right?
You bet.
Talk to a doctor about that, not 4chan. We have no clue.
>>35486549
Cancer of the rectum
>>35486599
Eat a bag of dicks
>>35484712
I can see fatties preaching it now "diet drinks are unhealthy, so give me a regular sugar coke instead I am trying to be more healthy"
>>35484982
>black coffe 3 times a week
mfw 5black coffe/day
>>35485155
hey guess what science guy
phenylalanine is one of the main amino acids in any protein
enjoy ingesting phenylalanine every time you eat anything that contains protein you dummy
>>35484712
what is diet coke?
>>35486505
>logically your body should cannibalize your fat and turn it into muscle
No. You can grow muscle and lose fat at the same time, but that makes growing muscle much slower than if you were at a slight bulk, and the fat does not turn into muscle. That's straight up bullshit you're spouting
