Recomp vs Cut
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Aight /fit/ it's time for you all to decide if I recomp or cut. I started out skinnyfat and bulked cause that seemed to be the prevailing opinion. I'm not 5'11 178lb and maybe around 25%BF. I want to start losing the fat but I realize if I cut I'm still cutting to hungry skele, maybe the bottom of otter if I'm lucky.
My lifts aren't anything amazing, so I'm hesitant to go into a big cut and not gain any muscle. Have any of you had luck doing a recomp for say like 6 months? I'm looking to maybe look good by Juneish. I know I could just cut but I still wanna make as much progress gaining muscle and strength.
So. Anyone recomp? Is it even worth it?
How long have you been lifting and what are your stats?
I am* 5'11. Not sure why I typed not.
>>35440558
I've lifted almost a year but program hopped and had a shoulder injury and tendinitis for a bit so that set me back.
I don't test 1rm so these are 5rm
Deadlift 245
Bench 150
Ohp 105
High bar squat 170
Front squat 145
Row 135
All in lbs
>>35440578
bulk.
>>35440545
maybe around 25%? u measured fgt? let's see what u look like.
>>35440621
I am way too fat to bulk. I'm not doing that. I'm already freaking out hoping this boobs are just me having shitty fat deposits and not gyno.
>>35440624
Haven't had it officially measured I'm just going off those images that get posted a lot and CBTs where people guess BF for posters
>>35440642
why don't you post pics of yourself so we aren't all trying to guess what you look like spastic
>>35440545
Lifted for 4 years now.
Best stats:
200lbs
squat 400lbs
bench 230lbs
deadlift 500lbs
ohp 190lbs
front squat 250lbs
Cutting at the moment, sitting around at 181lbs
All my lifts have gone down from simply not practicing them much to simply removing them i.e. deadlift. I also stopped squatting low bar so I now high bar with 250lbs as a max, but I have not exactly tested it.
>>35440664
I dunno how to pose or if I was supposed to flex but this is no pump and just standing around
>>35440673
>Stopping deadlifting and low bar squat because cutting
Confirmed not gonna make it
>>35440578
You are literally me
I routine hopped and injured my shoulder
Now I'm small with high bf%
>kill me now
>>35440725
There is hope. Can always go to hungry skele and slowly bulk properly.
>>35440545
RECOMP OR EAT AT A SMALL CUT. At your weight and with those lifts you have very little muscle mass and a lot of fat. Don't fall for the bulk/cut cycle meme. Eat at maintenance while lifting until you're happy with your bf% then slow bulk for life and adjust your diet according to your weight and bf%.
>>35440704
>>35440711
dyel or fell for SS+GOMAD?
>>35440768
How quickly does the shift in bodyfat happen? Eating at maintenance 6 months from now where do you think I would be percentage wise?
>>35440777
I mean I lift but I guess if I have to pick either of those two it'll be dyel cause I've never done ss gomad. My lifts have increased, I used to only be able to barely ohp the bar and squat 65. I also have sleep issues so that probably doesn't help. Just trying to start 2016 on the right track to get this really rolling.
>>35440713
>Confirmed not gonna make it
Make what? I'm 24, so i'm too old to make it anymore.
>>35440855
You're never too old bruh.
DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS
>>35440895
dreams change, I just want to be a good teacher with my korean qt3.14 wife now
>>35440807
Conservatively you will probably get down to 18%-20% which is probably more than your want still but it depends entirely on how fast you can build muscle mass which is hard to predict but you can maximize it by eating enough protein. If your did cardio and calculated how many calories you burned then you could calculate how much fat and weight you burn. You should continue lifting in order to stimulate hormonal response to prevent your body from going catabolic.
>>35440855
Not him but I'm 33 and natty, you can still make it. Also, I'm 5'11 and 185. I fuck around in the gym mostly and drink too much beer and still look decent. What are you doing OP? Get your test checked or something.. Something is seriously not right with your diet, routine, or hormones. I'm sorry but you're looking fat as shit, you need to cut and try again.. Maybe don't bulk so hard next time.
Hers a pic from a couple weeks ago for comparison.
Should I keep bulking, cut, or recomp? I've been lifting for ~ 1 year now.
Here are my stats (all lifts are for 6 reps):
Male, 21, 5'8
Back squat: 215
Deadlift: 245
OHP: 100
Bench press: 135
Single arm dumbell row: 75
>>35440918
Why not do both?
JUST. DO IT!
>>35440918
>doesn't wanna make it
>beta cuck
>>35440932
Continue bulking.
>>35440932
What are your goals? Looks or lifts. Be honest, and don't say both.
>>35440971
Being honest, I'm lifting for looks. I just want to become more appealing to women in general.
>>35440980
Bulk until Feb. Eat like shit, dirty bulking is a meme, easy a lot until Feb 28 then start dat summer cut.
>>35440923
What kind of lifting would be best to try and put on some muscle while at a slight deficit with cardio?
>>35440929
Haven't had test checked. I've been able to grow a beard since 17 and get horny easily so I always figured I was good? I do have depression and anxiety issues but part of that I feel would go away if I was in better shape. Diet hasn't been the greatest I admit but I generally eat enough protein and the rest I just sorta had it make up the rest of my calories. I dunno brah, I'm obviously doing something wrong. I just hate the idea of cutting for four months to skeleton mode and starting over. Of course I also could have done that six months ago when fit said bulk....
>>35440980
Everyone is, fat fucks might say otherwise because they look like shit and being strong is all they have. But deep down we all just want to look good for ourselves, for women, or for dudes out both. Being strong is a nice fringe benefit.
That's the honest truth. Fuck those that say otherwise.
Cut HARD for like 2-3 months so you can start bulking again
>b-b-but I don't want to lose muscle
you barely have any muscle
>>35441002
Perfect. Thanks bro.
What milestones should I look to hit before I transition to a bodybuilding routine? I hear 4/3/2/1 being touted as a good benchmark a lot but if my goal is just aesthetics, should I switch right away?
>>35440777
Checked
listen up
I lost a lot of weight this year but didnt really get that much stronger, so my waist is small but I could have more mass.
the second I started adding more carbs and calories (2300 now, was at 1850 on a cut), I feel stronger and my muscles look fuller. do a lean bulk, totally worth it.
do not try to get stronger on a cut, it wont work.
>>35441026
That's what I figure as well. There's no sense in deluding ourselves: most of us started this because we wanted to look better. I had literally zero female attention before I started lifting and now I'm actually starting to get compliments. No shame in admitting that.
>>35441027
Yeah I guess I need to come to grips I have no muscle.
>>35441047
I can't see any bulk as a good idea. Just check my photos I'm fat as shit. I'm also not necessarily trying to get stronger per say but maybe add a little more muscle as I cut fat
>>35441056
getting looks from girls is proof that lifting is working
even if you dont lift for girls, that validation is unbiased proof that it is effective.
>>35441073
if you want to lose fat while adding muscle do a recomp, it's a little slower but it can work.
>>35441009
Heavy compound lifts: squat, deadlift, bench, ohp in that order but your should do all of them. Any advanced novice or intermediate program will work but I recommend candito lp.
>>35441009
You can try recomp, but for fucks sake don't bulk. Up the reps, 6-8 for compounds and 9-10 for isolations. Try varying the rep scheme as well (undulating periodization).
I have didn't get a complete beard until my mid to late 20s so you have that on me. I dunno. Like you, I think sex drive is a good indicator. Maybe it's your diet or routine. If I can do it in my thirties then you fucking kids ought to be able to do it.
>>35441082
What should my diet and lifting look like as far as macros and type of program
>>35441090
I can highly recommend Candito's program as well. I like the flexibility it provides in terms of accessory lifts
>>35441101
use a tdee calculator to get a rough idea of how many cals you burn daily
for recomp you want to eat AT your maintenance level or slightly above it (100-200 cals)
as for lifting, a good PPL program works i've found but there are many different options.
35441090
Is that the one where he has like 3 different variations (strength, sports, hypertrophy) and is 4 days?
>>35441099
I'm definitely not bulking. So should I hop on something like candito but change 3x5 to higher reps then? How should my diet be? I've wanted to get my hormones checked since I worry about gyno but like I said I have had a beard and pop boners from hugs lol so I feel my T isn't like nonexistent.
>>35441090
I also wanted to add that I only recommend candito lp if you already stated lifting like >>35440578
If you're untrained then do any beginner program recommended in the sticky.
>>35441141
The person you've been replying to is me (op) with those lifts you quoted. I'll check out candito and try the recomp. Worst comes to worst I guess I just bite the bullet and cut to skele. I was skele in high school and started drinking a bunch in college and was less active and now we're here.
>>35441101
I do an upper lower split and hardly do lower to be honest. Do a shit ton of pullups and chin ups both unweighted for reps and weighted. Weighted dips, lat pullovers, and cable flyes are also great. Do the compounds like bench and ohp. I do a ton of ohp and face pulls.
I quit dead lifting because I felt like it was giving me some back trouble. I do a lot of front squats, romanian dead lifts, and barbell hipthrusts for legs.
>>35441099
>>35440929
Is me. I'll probably get shit for poopooing on deadlifts and what not but fuck it, it's the truth. And yes, my form was good.
>>35441197
Honestly you're pretty close to my goal body anyways so fuck anyone talking shit. I'm mirin. I'll hop on the candito linear one then since its upper lower. Eventually I wanna do some more strength training and try to hit 1/2/3/4 but I'm tired of looking like shit so looks are more the priority.
Thanks for all your info though man. Definitely inspiring.
>>35441241
You can do it bro. We're all gonna make it.
>>35441155
Good luck. Weigh yourself every day and after 1 month see if there's a downward trend in weight, use statistics to calculate it if you have to. Similarly take pictures to see if your bf changed or try to calculate it with calipers regularly (they aren't very accurate though, try to get someone who knows what he's doing to do it). If you see yourself losing weight and maintaining lifts then that means you are losing fat. However you could still be losing fat and stay the same weight if you're gaining muscle at the same time but usually it's easier to lose fat than to gain muscle. Also, eat a lot of protein so your body can make muscle when it wants to, about 7g per 1lb body weight. And avoid junk food and sugar but i hope that goes without saying. Make adjustments according to what you want to achieve. As your weight decreases you'll have to cut harder or do more cardio since your tdee changes.
>>35440704
You are fat
>>35441435
I know breh that's why this thread was made
>>35441338
Just to clarify, I'm sure you meant .7 grams per lb. 7 grams per lb would be ridiculous. I don't mean to be a dick about what is surely a typo.
>>35441557
Yes
I was fat. Around 30%. Started a really serious diet and cut. For about a year. With high protein and no carbs. Lifts 6 days a week. My diets leveled out now and I'm more maintaining. If you push yourself, anything is possible.
25, 5'11 160lbs
Bench: 245
Squat: 300
>>35441801
>no diddylift
>confirmed for weak cuck
>>35440545
These are my results with a "recomp"
that's almost a year wasted
>>35440578
>>35440621
OP don't listen to him. You wanna recomp. You're a beginner still so adding muscle while slowly dropping fat is not an unreasonable goal. It's actually the best case scenario if you're skinnyfat.
what you need to do is continue lifting, but implement about 2-3 hours of cardio a WEEK into your training. Also stretching. Stretching helps to lubricate your joints and make them more limber reducing your chances of injury.
Eat at a SLIGHT caloric deficit. Find out what your TDEE is and eat 200-300 calories below it. This way you will lose weight slow enough to where you won't stall.
also avoid processed shit as it doesn't satiate you and will keep you fat. Eat more whole foods that fill you up.
>>35442014
Damn that's not too encouraging
>>35442017
Thanks for the advice
>>35442014
>he didn't even lift
>>35442014
I'm sorry but you fucked up somewhere there, I doubt you're even close to the same weight. If anything it's more of a badly done cut
>>35442606
Err didn't look at the numbers but my point still stands
>>35442014
you train randomly ahah
>>35442014
i think you forgot to lift bruh
>>35442619
um, no it fucking doesnt? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I mean look at your fucking results.
You're probably one of the people pushing the 'SS is a meme' meme aswell
>>35442663
I did the leangains routine, but over two days instead of 3 (same lifts, but longer gym time)
>>35443011
Can you stop scaring beginners with either of your shit lifting/eating or shit genetics please.
>>35443176
maybe if people had realistic expectations they'd actually stick with it for a year before giving up instead of expecting sick gains after 5 months
>>35443423
Hoss, I mean this in the least offensive way possible but your results are about as realistic an expectation for the average guy as the other end of the spectrum.
>>35440562
Freudian slip man let
