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I'm looking to start practicing a martial art this upcoming quarter. I'll be signing up for instructional courses at my uni since they're cheap, so I'll be taking advantage of that.
Some background: I'm 21, male, olympic weightlifter in good shape. I've practiced ashtanga yoga for two years, so I'm pretty balanced and mobile.
My question, finally. I want to pick a really "technical" martial art, since I'm a perfectionist and thrive on that kind of challenge. Initially, I wanted to try aikido. But we don't have courses.
So, Muy Thai, Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, JKD, Judo, are the ones that I think are good candidates..
Any recommendations?
that picture is really pretty
Do you want to learn to fight or not? Legit question, many martial arts do not teach efficient fighting skillsets but have some amazing body control, athletisicm, balance, acrobatics, etc
>>35367025
Thanks, took it on my blackberry 10, testing out the camera, lol.
>>35367029
Fair question. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. I know Aikido is probably something that's essentially what you're describing.
Ideally, I'd love something that's balanced. High degree of athleticism and skill required, with a high degree of carryover in varied real-life situations.
>>35367040
Judo might be what you're after. Throws are very impressive to look at and takes a lot of study and mechanical skill to get those throw mechanics working, and a very practical fighting style. Catastrophic injuries though.
>>35367052
Judo throws do look really impressive and technical. This is definitely something I'm interested in. Are punches/kicks common?
And what type of injuries are most common? Do you practice judo?
>>35367010
Sup OP, I currently do TKD (inb4 fag, the kicking power you get is phenomenal), Kickboxing and MMA. If you want something practical, go for Kickboxing or MMA. Or like this anon (>>35367052 ) said, Judo.
Or you could just become a tank and do Kyokushin Karate and get bricks for hands...
>>35367122
Judo does not have punches and kicks, it is only throws. I am a competitive muay thai practitioner. As you can imagine in any sport, accidents happen and when you're flipping through the air landing full body weight on to training mats an accident here or there can land in some serious broken bones.
>>35367010
Where do you live, OP?
I've done Muay Thai, BJJ, Taekwondo, Sanshou, Wing Chun.
The most technically demanding martial art I know are BJJ and Wing Chun.
In particular, I recommend Wong Shun Leung Wing Chun, it is the 'style' that I choose now. The other martial arts I've done tend to focus on becoming faster and stronger than the opponent. WSL Wing Chun puts a very high emphasis on perfecting skills rather than athleticism. The WSL distinction is important. Here are a list of accredited teachers:
http://www.wcarchive.com/bios/wsl-method.htm
Attend a few classes and see if it's right for you.
>>35367157
You know, I actually really enjoy kicks. Maybe TKD would be appropriate. >>35367162
Makes sense, thanks.
Our Judo instructor is also well versed in aikido, and looks like a really relaxed guy, so there's that.
>>35367232
I'm in LA, but for now I want to take advantage of the cheap courses offered by my uni
I think I will be signing up for Judo, since TKD isn't offered.
I would like a system that does practice some kind of striking (punching/kicking), however, so maybe JKD might be better?
Thoughts?
>>35367322
I would skip TKD, it is the most useless martial art I know, and I've done it for 5 years. Kicks are a lot less efficient than punches, being liable to falls and relatively slow rate of attack. Any fighter worth his salt will tell you that.
I would go for boxing, in lieu of something exotic like Muay Thai for practical defense. Actual Muay Thai fighters in Thailand are tough as nails, but their toughness is a product of their environment. Western Muay Thai is watered down version of that with shin pads and what not.
>>35367010
>wants to do aikido
>settles for a real MA
Please please please please please please please be a troll. I mean, if you aren't trolling, then you must be literally retarded. Look up an aikido tournament. Not the shit where they dance and not the shit where they have someone willingly give them their wrist to get cranked, and actual match of two practitioners. It's literally pushing and slapfighting
>inb4 da steetz is different
Fucking kill yourself
>>35367397
>I've Never Trained MT: The Post
It's literally a requisite in MMA.
>>35367684
https://youtu.be/eX0yseYpoBA
Since I doubt you'd look it up for yourself. This is top level aikido. Compare that to anything else you posted. Even JKD is better and that is the biggest scam.
If you want something that is "really technical" that doesn't teach bad habits, pick boxing, MT, Judo, or BJJ
If you want something that will help you survive an attack pick boxing, MT, or Judo
You mentioned you're interested in TKD. TKD is a good supplementary MA if you manage to find the right school (a WTF school) if you already know something that involves kicking. Boxing is a great base and an even better supplementary discipline if you already train something with punches. Whatever you do, stay away from the ground and definitely stay away from a pajama dancing mcdojo whose techniques are "2dedly4u" that don't allow full contact sparring.
>>35367397
You probably did shit tier WTF.
I'm doing ITF with my club and a lot of them are kickboxers as well, and the foot work and technical aspects of TKD are extremely beneficial for Kickboxing.
>>35367052
>>35367162
The injuries aren't that bad honestly. Most occur either
>with new people who don't know how to fall that well - typically shoulder injuries
>during competition - still limited because here people do know how to fall
Most common injuries are probably shoulder injuries, followed by knee injuries. But all in all, I've sustained more injuries during Aikido, and it looks like Judo has a relatively low number of injuries when compared to other sports.
But every now and then shit hits the fan. Pic is from my last competition. Opponent scored within 10 seconds, so I decided I wasn't having any of that and basically picked him up and dropped him like a sack of bricks 20 seconds later. He made the mistake of trying to put his hand, which led to his wrist taking the nearly full impact of the both of us. Luckily, he didn't have to go to hospital, but I'm quite sure he was sidelined for a few weeks.
>>35367861
Holy shit Anon, what technique did you use? Looks intense, I'm impressed breh
Karate kyokushin if you are a man
I recommend taekwondo. You get kicking power, but for power kicking you want kick boxing or muai thai, taekwondo is about speed and accuracy and speed kicks are their own animal, although a taekwondoka can do power kicks with ease, it's pretty much just a matter of habit. I don't know if you can switch from power to speed as easily though.
But the thing is, TKD kicks and combos require a strong core and when you have it, the results are phenomenal, you'll amaze yourself. Women and dyels can gtfo from taekwondo, technique can only carry you so far and taekwondo is about mastery which has physical requirements. I was lucky enough to be small fit when I picked up TKD and it's incredibly fun.
When insufficient muscles don't limit your technique, you learn really fast. After 1.5 years I had mastered all the blackbelt kicks and only our sensei could spar with me anymore (lol at the dyel 6 year veterans seven ranks above me left in the dust).
Also this [image] kind of flexibility comes pretty fast and it's an experience to have, look forward to it.
>>35368885
Muay Thai if you want the same exact thing without the ethnic dancing and role playing
>>35367753
If I don't already have a proper training in combat (in general, i.e. striking and defense) should I start with boxing?
>>35371516
It's a good one if you want. Fastest carryover most argue because we are naturally dexterous with our hands
>>35367861
That throw is boss as fuck.
I'm seconding either judo or mt if you're looking for something that can be used for self defence. Probably judo as the fancy pyjamas will satisfy your need to do something all mysterious and deadly.
>>35368995
this has piqued my interest in taekwondo.
is it actually useful in real life though? will kicks from this ever save you in a street fight or something?
>>35372945
Probably not. If it starts as a standing fight with some distance then yes, but fights aren't simple enough to follow a certain scenario. Fights often turn to brawling, like a guy just grabs you with one hand and tries to hit with another, leading to you both falling down and then it's all ground game and stuff. If you want practical skills, train boxing and jiujitsu and you'll be well equipped for street fights. Boxing trains you to deal with punches at close range and requires very little space, and jiujitsu wins the fights after the guy grabs you or you fall down together.
If you have the chance you can create the proper scenario by learning pushes and stuff so you can have that initial distance, but I wouldn't train TKD if I was actually planning on fighting. Train TKD because it's fun.
>>35374490
>BJJ
>self defence
>>35368995
It's taekwondoin. Not -ka. -ka is a japanese thing, korean thing is to end it with in
taekwondoin
>>35372945
Kicks are like rifles in street fights. 9/10 if you have the range for a rifle you could win a fight with TKD
Don't worry about street fights. If you do need too, then just get a gun. Much better legally.
Why/how is judo so practical if it's just throws? Doesn't that require you to be able to dodge punches to properly grab them to then throw them?
Complete noob btw, just curious.
>>35367010
>I wanted to try aikido.
>>35375066
Thats why cross training exist.
OP id suggest doing Wrestling over Judo.
I love martial arts threads, keep them going, /fit/!
I want to try Muay Thai and cross train either boxing or Wing Chun, just for fun
>>35367232
literally bullshit-fu
successful wing chun techniques used in professional MMA: zero
and not because that shit is against the rules... just because it doesnt work,
>>35375059
I know it's not -ka, but -ka is used and stuff like -in is not. People know what you mean when you add -ka so it's practical even if it isn't accurate, it's much quicker to say "taekwondoka" than to say "taekwondoin", be asked what that means and then say "it's like -ka in Japanese but taekwondo comes from Korea and they have their own suffix for it". I considered saying "taekwondo practitioner", but that's kind of clunky too compared to -ka.
>>35375142
I think that their principle of the center-line is pretty good and you will see the oblique kick used from time to time, thrown in a similar fashion to that of Wing Chun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcerBvftLHc
I wouldn't say that there's nothing to be derived from it, but I will say that for the most part it's pretty useless. Hell - Bruce Lee abandoned it for that very reason.
>>35367232
>wing chun
Literally the most useless meme ever to exist in fighting
aikido is bad too
>>35375096
>Wrestling over Judo
>self defence
o i m laffin
>>35375123
>Boxing or Muay Thai
That's like saying I want to to either get into powerlifting or orange theory fitness
>>35376396
Fuck meant to put
>Boxing or Wing Chun
>>35376389
>Picking modern age judo over wrestling.
Top kek its the taekwondo of grappling now.
/asp/ here, purple belt in BJJ. i lurk /fit/ now because /asp/ is filled with pro wrestling crap.
Anyway. Purple belt in BJJ. Very technical art, very dangerous too. Good for self defense and fitness, confidence etc.
If people say "you can't use sport BJJ for self defense", try fighting anyone in the black belt sport divisions in the Worlds or ADCC or NAGA etc. They won't last one second.
The arts to pick from when deciding a martial art:
>boxing
>muay thai/kickboxing
>college/freestyle wrestling
>judo
>brazilian jiu jitsu
Most of the time people pick a striking art and a grappling art, just to round it off. Once you get a bit of experience with both of them, start taking an MMA class. Gives you a bit of experience combining the two styles together effectively. Even if you don't plan on MMA fights, the skills you learn combining the two arts in the class are very useful.
>>35376442
Yeah, modern day judo competition rules are bullshit, but
>implying your coach won't teach you street rules judo in class and when you enter a comp just don't use your dirty street trix and you won't be DQ'd
>>35376494
Should I START with mma if my uni offers it?
>>35376510
To be completely honest, I started with MMA when I was 16. I was in it for about a year and a half before I decided to switch to BJJ. I learned a thing or two about ground + standup in my time there, but the coach said a few times that this is really a class for people with striking or grappling experience already. I was lucky that there were a couple of other 16 year olds that had no experience as well so we got grouped together most of the time.
Go for it if you want but you might find it's easier to come to the MMA class with striking or grappling experience.
BTW it's not all fun and games UFC training, if you don't know how to fight you're gonna have a pretty bad time until you learn.
>>35376536
I don't know how to fight. I'm actually considering starting with boxing, since it seems to teach pretty fundamental and essential components of fighting. Maybe after, switching over to something like judo.
Or, is it just better to start with judo?
>>35376541
Depends what you really want to learn first. You a striker or a grappler? Some people don't feel comfortable punching people, whereas others don't really feel comfortable getting ragdolled around and thrown onto the ground really hard.
I mean training wise, would you rather get punched in the head or grabbed by the gi and thrown around onto the ground? (it's not actually that bad desu)
>>35376551
Not sure, I've only ever been in one fight. Two guys versus me, and I managed to fight both of them off. I was mostly dodging and throwing bunches, but I threw a couple solid kicks at their chests.
To be quite honest, the thought of getting punched in the head sounds very, very displeasing. In fact, if I could avoid it, I would ideally never get hit on the head - ever, even in training. I know it's not realistic if I want to learn, but that's just the outlook I have re : damage to the brain.
That sounds pussy, I know. Then, I guess, getting thrown around sounds "better" than getting hit on the head.
>>35367025
Glad someone else took notice
>>35376563
Okay cool. I prefer grappling to striking myself too. Because fuck getting punched in the head. Let's go further. Do you like the look of judo or BJJ more? Judo and BJJ are cousins.
Judo is 80% throws and 20% ground
BJJ is 80% ground and 20% throws
I'm a bit of a pussy and don't like getting thrown onto the ground because it fucking sucks. I only know a few takedowns, the ol doubleleg, a couple of hip tosses, a dirty arm drag, that's about it. I'm a ground/submission specialist. But that's just my take. Although, that's not to say that BJJ is an injury free sport either - i have quite a few injuries that have inconvenienced my life outside of BJJ (work, socialising etc). But that's just due to idiots I was training with rather than blaming the sport.
>>35376597
Judo, I think. I'd prefer more throws over ground.
Does the idea of throwing someone simply entail "getting him onto the ground?"
>>35376178
I thought it was because yip man was racist toward westerners and bruce lee had german blood in him
>>35376633
More or less. A throw is also known as a takedown, to take someone down to the ground.
There are different types of takedowns and throws, some leave you standing whereas there are some that part of the throw is to go down with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP4K2_lynA
>>35376650
Ok, that's neat. I can totally see how that would be extremely useful to be able to do.
I'll start with judo. Thanks, anon.
>>35376677
You're welcome buddy.
I'm glad you didn't decide on aikido like some idiot had suggested earlier on in the thread. Aikido is shit tier.
>>35376706
I actually initially wanted to try it because it looks so beautiful to watch! :3
Lol
>>35376744
Haha yeah it's fine to do it if you are just interested in an art that looks pretty, but if you are in it for anything more than that, then keep away from those asian arts. The five I listed are the ones that are going to be the most truthful to the cause.
>>35376775
BJJ is fucking shit for self defence. It's nice 1v1, but why would I roll around on the ground waiting to get soccer ball kicked by some random passerby vigilante wannabe? It really is a great discipline, but keep that shit in the ring.
