/OWG/ - A thread for the discussion of weightlifting and all things related. Keep the insults and shitposting to a minimum.
>Snatching on the Holidays Edition
>If you are new to weightlifting please read these first and check the other sources they link to before asking questions:
http://pastebin.com/1HgVcGam
http://pastebin.com/wCXeXfkk
http://www.chinfl.blogspotco.uk/2013/07/how-into-weightlifting.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/weightlifting/wiki/faq
http://www.iwf.net/doc/technical.pdf
http://yashathoughts.com/
>The information that you are looking for is probably in the above links.
That includes routines, shoes, information on the lifts, etc. Check out the pastebins for literature or the reddit faq for general information.
Included in this youtube playlist are videos related to weightlifting which you may find useful or insightful:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl3WCm2GfvLxvH877oJ1xEA/playlists
Red Lights
>>35329595
First for the tip of lu xiaojuns cock wouldnt even fit in this girl. (He has an eight inch dick with massive balls)
>>35351590
and how do you know that?
>>35351286
Third for i dont even do oly lifting
Shaping up to be a real good thread, already.
My garage is all wet because of humidity. training will hard
also fourth for i dont even lift
>>35351805
Hey man who's your weightlifting waifu?
Nah for lil qts
>>35351974
she can push press more than some guys in my gym.
>>35351984
What kind of gym?
>>35351984
commercial with a space for oly with platforms and bumpers. but some dudes who does oly lifting cant pushpress 65 kg, believe it or not.
>>35351590
im pretty sure most girls can fit an 8 inch
>>35351286
>>35351286
Snatching on the holiday's? damn. its CJ day for me. :P I'll be snatching on friday
plan for today is to see how consistent i can be at around 80% and push to 90+. I know i've lost a lot of strength and endurance due to school and life. do some squats, pressing, pulling. hit the hottub and sauna, call it a night and chill.
Gonna be training with my coach again starting next week while i'm home. then its a few months of being his only satellite lifter again. :')
What's OWG lads training for today?
I've only been committed to weightlifting for a few months, dabbled for a bit (30kg hang snatches, power cleans)
I think one reason my jerk sucks is I feel very uncomfy in a front rack, like even a weight I can easily jerk feels heavy
If I did some heavy front rack holds after squatting will it my my body ready?
>>35352209
hows your mobility in your thoracic spine, shoulders, and wrists?
if you feel uncomfortable in the frontrack, it might be a mobility issue. it also may be an issue on where the bar is resting on your deltoid/clavicle area.
front rack holds do help, same with jerk dips.
ymmv
I uploaded the same as yesterday to ask for some tips and form check ,plz durkz no bully.
I have been lifting for 2 months, 2 days a week (can´t more).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFjRAqVJ4yA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv-d1xOQWKc
I'm about to start training with a coach so I can get into Olympic lifting after years of being a weak little bitch. What do I have to look forward to?
>>35352421
lmao
>>35352264
I'm not greatly mobile. Where should it rest? I always unracked front squats on my front delts
>>35352421
youre doing literally everything wrong
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>>35352052
>cant pushpress 65 kg
>some dudes
those are not dudes
those are what you call manlets
>>35352441
>>35352455
Just give 1 tip :3
>>35352421
eat smth desu lad
>>35352456
ummmm heightism much?
>>35352456
>implying thats not easier for manlets
>>35352452
ideally pic related is how you should be racking.
personally i rack in the area right below my clavicle, and between delts, its like a nice comfy meat pocket for the barbell.
work on mobility related to thoracic spine, shoulders and wrist to get more comfortable for sure.
>>35352421
would you please learn the lifts before doing any comps. this hurts to watch
>>35352499
Are the Chinese basically the only ones who don't stamp their snatches?
>>35352168
I wish I was training lad, on holiday in a foreign country, zero lifting here until mid Jan ;_;
Good holiday though
>>35352579
>mfw the couch that trains on the mornings was numer 8 on the 1992 Olympics but i can only train 2 afternoons a week without a good coach.
>>35352686
Damn, a couch made it to top 10 in the olympics?
>>35352421
These are basically muscle clean and muscle snatch, extend with hips to elevate bar, pull self under after extension
You need to learn how to do the second and third pull, probably the first pull too
Do more hang to power for second pull
Do more hang to full for third pull
Also mobility
>>35352733
not op but what are third and second pull
>>35352791
in weightlifting you try to separate pulls so its not one movement because doing one movement is bad and doesnt make you lift more weight so you do one pull then to the next
the first pull is from floor to hips the second pull is from chest to nose then third is when stand up with the barbell
>>35352733
Thanks and nice dubs.
>>35351590
goddamn asians girls are so fucking ugly
asian men can literally pass as women
>>35351968
Does abadjiev count?
>>35352957
No. That's not a girl.
>>35353014
i guess i dont have one :^/
>>35353075
Then it looks like you need to get one c]:^:)>
>>35352791
First pull is move bar from floor to knee height
Second pull is where you accelerate bar upwards, from knee height up to power position and to triple extension
Third pull is immediately after triple extension, shrug and pull self under bar
>>35353273
I thought the shrug was part of the triple extension
>>35353273
did i do it right if i had trap doms day after power cleans
>>35353319
It is.
>>35354001
>>35354005
A perfect girl.
>>35354005
you disrespect the barbell by dress like whore. where is modesty? why do you distract men in gym?
>>35354185
i didnt no the barbell cared what you wear
what does barbell prefer you wear when you lift it?
Can I do Olympic lifts with an Ohio Power Bar? (29mm diameter plus aggressive knurl)
>>35354267
only if your hands are big guys
>>35354269
Is that literally all that's wrong with that?
>>35354267
Technically sure but it's a really shit bar for them. Too thick, rip hands, won't spin well, and won't whip at all
>>35354304
I was only going to do powercleans, the bar seems to spin pretty well for what it's worth.
Sup /owg/, pretty hard training today, any technical critique? I can see that my back doesn't really get set up well in some of the snatches and cleans and that I could use some more finish on the pulls. For jerks I can kind of see my elbows dropping in the dip and my footwork isn't great. Current maxes 100/124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SfcwaRqaug&feature=youtu.be
>>35355044
allthingsgym
hookgrip
ironmind
which is best?
can someone post some slow mo webms of cleans?
>>35349054
thought I'd just ask this question here as I can't get answers in that thread, yes I have checked all the links provided here
>>35355628
www.olygear.com.au
p sure isley and sparrow live in australia go ask them
>>35355628
I have the same problem in new Zealand, have to go online, you can wait for a sale to get a good deal, there's been more than three sales on adipowers this year
>>35352067
I bet you can fit an 8 inch fgt
>>35355628
http://www.ironedge.com.au/
Where I got mine from, and I live rural NSW.
Used my runners as a size guide and the Romaleos fit well.
>>35355628
nigga try wiggle.co.uk. I got my PP2 from there, I know for a fact tey have Adipowers and they ship to aus for free
>>35352867
Yeah... so ugly...
>>35356965
Why is she so perfect brehs
Hey /owg
beginner weightlifter but been lifting for 2 or so years now, what is the /owg equivalent to the 1/2/3/4 milestone? When i started lifting all i wanted to do is achieve that, but now I've started weightlifting I have nothing to focus on. What's a respectable milestone?
>>35352421
>literally does a faggot hop when he lifts it
christ baka desu lad.
>>35357185
2xbw cnj
>>35357281
I need to fix this faggot hop when snatching but i have no idea of how to solve it d.e.s.u.
>>35352421
I can literally snatch more with one arm, and I never even tried oly. I think these weights are too light for you.
>tfw traps are sore as fuck
Hi, /owg/.
I want to add oly lifting so bad in my 5/3/1 strength program, but I did not find all stuff about it in internet, could you please help me?
So far I'm doing push presses (the right ones, lying the barbell on the delts, thanks front squats!) and it really feels different than strict compounds, it's just great! Now I want try power cleans.
So, what do you think about using the 5/3/1 for push press instead of OHP? Is adding power clean to an upper body day a dumb idea? Should I do these two lifts in a kind of ''oly day/recovery day'' with another rep scheme?
Thanks
>>35358650
>oly day/recovery day
>oly
>recovery
>>35358650
Do some intermediate program that features PCs instead.
>>35358660
I don't know how oly programming works. Don't be mean. ;_;
>>35358666
Wendler has good inputs about power cleans and 5/3/1, the problem is I would have to take a lower body assistence for this. I'm just asking if I could do pc after bench or push press instead of any row
>>35358715
Do it as Wendler suggests.
>>35358324
Those were actually PR´s, if itry more weight with this shit form i will snap some serious shit
I want to do cardio with barbell complexes, but I have a fucked knee, what do?
I figure if I'm going to throw a bar around with no weight, it may aswell be some kind of olympic lifting technique.
>>35358725
He says nothing about push presses than 'it's awesome, but the press is better'.
I felt in love with push presses, but I have no experience with oly lifts. Is 5/3/1 a good rep scheme for push press?
Do something like 3x3 power cleans target the lower body more or equally than the upper body, in relation to recovery and frequency?
HOLY FUCKKKK
Based Lovchev has been tested positive
http://www.iwf.net/2015/12/24/public-disclosure-57/
>>35351984
Leave me alone Tyler, and stop laughing about me on here you struggle with 70 which isn't much better
>>35357185
1/2/3/4 can be much more easily achieved if you ate too many mcdoubles as child. Wl must be strong as well as master the lifts.
Many pl people get to your milestone in one year or two. Take one year or two to learn how snatch and clean & jerk work. Take longer to perfect technique.
Strength goals important, aim for 1/2/3/4 as well as learn technique. That is wl equivalent.
>>35358794
Power cleans are mostly lower body. All the oly lifts are really. What I'd do though is first lift on lower day is Clean & Jerk (work up to some singles or whatever) and then on upper day the first lift is Snatch (work up to doubles or whatever...). Then you doubles you do your 5/3/1 lift and then accesories.
I'd do power cleans for your first lift on lower days for now though. Work up to some doubles or triples or whatever.
That's currently what I'm doing, I'm doing a 5/3/1 fullbody 3x a week variant, at the beginning of every workout (well, most), I just warm up with some power clean singles. So I'll go in, get a bar, load it light, do some doubles, pyramid up till I get to my daily 1RM and then just do singles till I get bored pretty much.
Also, Wendler approves push press as a replacement for the press. So if you're really for oly lifting, I'd do that. That should answer all your questions.
Tbh though, if you're just learning the oly lifts, I'd do the 2 competition lifts EVERY workout to get used to them. E. g. Dan john has a very basic beginners program (it's probably only totally suitable for a 100% beginner to lifting though), and it's just 3x a week nonconsecutive:
Snatch 8x2
Clean & Jerk 8x2
Front Squat 5x5
Press 5x3
Simple... Linear progression (with perfect form) and Warmups are implied.
I wouldn't quit 5/3/1 though. Like I said, once you get the groove of the lifts down I'd do snatch first thing upper day and clean & Jerk first thing lower. Also, wendler doesn't approve it... But I think it'd be wise to put more work into front squatting, and to scrap conventional deadlifts. I've been considering replacing deadlifts with front squats myself really, but I don't want to stall myself out. Plus I'm not doing oly lifting just quite yet.
>>35358794
Power cleans full body exercise, if you want to progress them as if they are competition lift you must program accordingly.
However they are fun and I recommend them because they are difficult. If you have a intensity lower body day or similar I would power cleans after squat deadlifts whatever.
For strong people they can do many power cleans, see lotus and isley doing many 100kg power cleans, over and over with many reps.
If they learn how to do right power clean they can do much bigger weight, but it is not priority. So they do power clean with lower weight than is hard for them.
Less effective an assistance exercise because of this. However less strain on body this way. So you can do power cleans with other exercises.
You do not need to keep to some setxrep program when learning how to do power cleans. At start of learning just use time when you feel fresh to practice. Watch videos in YouTube playlist, then try. Film and show here and ignore troll. Once you can do power clean, then do six or seven sets of power clean doubles or triples.
>>35358783
You seem like you want to do crossfit. Barbell complexes when tired make risk of injury much higher. What are your goals anon?
Maybe some other combination of exercises make your goals come better? I don't know.
Many kettlebell exercises can be good for build work capacity without risk of injury like doing too many snatch with injured knee.
>>35352456
>tfw I can only OHP 45 kg
>>35358980
Wow great post.
I think I will just stick with push press and power cleans for the moment. The big three lifts still being priority for me, but if with time I get passionate with oly lift I will for sure search for a oly coach and let him check my form with the classical lifts. Your routine seems great and I certainly would do some cycles like yours.
For now I will do power cleans before my lower body main lifts and do 5/3/1 push presses instead of ohp. Thank you very much!
>>35359135
When I start anon I could not ohp a barbell
oh dear
http://www.allthingsgym.com/2015wwc/
>>35359068
Thank you too. So I will just do some light doubles with power cleans before my main lifts and play with it to learn form.
You all are great. /owg/ corfirmed for best general.
>>35359158
>Livelyhoods/ careers are being destroyed here.
Well who's fault is that?
>>35358872
Fugggg that's a game changer
>>35359158
Oh my, many of my favourite lifters in these lists
>Top level olympic weightlifters are positive for roids
People are actually surprised?
>>35359173
That spelling mistake in atg hurts me and English is my third language
>>35359173
it's not that simple really
>>35359173
You think every athlete is tested equally?
>>35359199
Yeah, people are dumb as fuck.
>>35359398
Every medal earning athlete, yes.
>>35359199
people are actually surprised because they actually cracked down on people who won gold medals this year
>>35359406
>Every medal earning athlete, yes.
>>35359406
>Yeah, people are dumb as fuck.
oh the fucking ironing of this post
>>35359422
You don't think they test medal winners the same?
>>35359452
>>Yeah, people are dumb as fuck.
>>35359455
>getting tested the same means equal chance of getting caught
Is that what youre trying to imply baby boy?
>>35359477
>tested the same
if that was true how come ilya never gets popped while his teammates almost always does? most of the guys on his team has been banned once or twice
>no response
that's what i thought bitch
>>35359487
All medalists get a test right after. It's the same test. Ilya/his coaches clearly just manages cycles better.
Ooc testing is different.
>>35359651
Zhassulan and Almas got popped. Had Ilya been at worlds there's zero doubt they would've been testing him every possible moment, they would've tried to do so in his sleep and even between his lifts
>>35359651
>Ilya/his coaches clearly just manages cycles better.
Do you not understand that those same coaches are the one handling uteshov and kydurbayev?
>>35359676
thats why he went to presidents
>>35359753
who do you think the coaches would put more effort into?
is there any OHP focused routine?
drug cheats BTFO
>>35359158
...does this mean Lovchev's new record is null?
>>35359753
Just because you're on the same team doesn't mean you have the same coach or doctor running your shit.
>>35359676
Of course. But that's not what I was talking about.
>>35359865
Team Astana has two coaches both which Ilya selected
Do you think they would fuck up something like this because they're focusing on Ilya? Considering Kazakhstan has too many bans already which would result in another fine do you really think they would slip up
>>35359822
pls help :(
>>35359862
most likely.
>>35359905
Aah, bullshit.
Roids or no standing up with 264 should be a celebrated achievement.
Hey ladfams what percentage do you guys do your clean complexes at?
>>35360042
12400% max deadlift
>>35351286
Hey guys, do you have a bench routine?
Been doing oly for 2 months and now I also want to do bench like twice a week, Mon and Thursday or Mon and Fri
>>35354005
DON'T STEP OVER THE BARBELL
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>35360125
just do 5*3 or something and dont go too crazy, make sure to stretch your shoulders. I get very stiff when i bench.
>>35360143
Ur not russian
>>35359158
>everyone post positive for dehydrochlormethyltestosterone
>>35357185
1/2/3/4 is amateur shit. i would say it's equivalent to like 85/110
>>35360330
Tbol is one of the more popular drug to get caught with next to winstrol
Letrozole for the norks is so weird though why do they have two athletes getting caught with that in comp
>>35352456
170cm and can pushpress 65kg, what are you talking about?
>>35352715
There's another one that even beat Dan Greene.
>>35353136
WHO IS SHE??
Planning on getting adipowers lads. Do they tend to be big for their size? Small? Just right? I can't remember the last time I wore adidas shoes
>>35361225
My Power Perfect II are just right
If you're ordering online ask them beforehand whether you can get refunded.
>>35360143
Why the fuck not? You're not Chinese, you're not Russian (and they don't give a shit anyway, that's blown out of proportion)
>>35355454
>>35358872
delete this ;_____;
>>35359158
Good riddance then.
I don't care who they are. You don't get to claim you'll abide by the rules of an Olympic sport in public and then break them when you think no one's watching. There's no honor in being a lying cheat.
>>35361225
Adidas has a sizing chart on their website. Use it.
>>35361614
There may not be "honor" (whatever you feel like defining that as) but there is winning, and at the level many of these guys compete at that's the only thing that matters. Everyone within spitting distance of a medal at an international weightlifting event is on something (possibly barring Pan-ams). Number one rule is don't get caught.
>>35361614
>muh honor
Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it?
Besides, theres a moral grey area there as well. why are peptides banned?
>>35361708
>>35361715
If everyone is cheating then why isn't everyone failing the drug tests?
Who is, and isn't cheating doesn't change the fact that these guys broke the rules, and they will pay for that just like other rule breakers have in the past. They are dishonorable because they broke the rules and tried to hide it in order to gain an unfair advantage.
>>35361806
Some people have better timed cycles, some non-medallists are lucky and don;t get selected, some people have better drugs to mask the steroids they're taking, some people use drugs that aren't tested for, some people get lucky and have a false negative.
Breaking the rules is how the world works mate. Everyone lies and cheats to get ahead, in every sport and every business.
>>35361614
you'd also never win anything.... u fukin dimwit
>>35361806
>>35361843
Back in the day the people running tests would just get paid off too, but I don't think that happens as much now.
>>35361867
Yeah p much.
Given the choice between taking 8th clean and medalling at the Olympics on something, even if I might get popped, I'd take the drugs in a heartbeat. Fuck "honor" lel
How does china and kazahkstan evade doping? Except for liao hui.
are they ninjas. Lu xiaojun confirmed natty ;>)
>>35361902
2 Khazak 94s just got popped.
See my earlier post >>35361867
Also they are ninjas.
>>35361920
Lu xiaojun is natty guys.
>>35361938
Confirmed.
the attempts at hunour in the FAQ are cringe worthy, fuck
>>35361938
Russia got busted with a massive state sponsored roid and anti-roid agency infiltration program. http://www.stmaryscollegian.com/government-sponsored-steroid-use-in-russia/
You wanna tell me Chinese don't do shit? I bet they are far ahead of everybody.
>>35362037
Chinese have superior flexibility, coordination, and fast twitch muscle fibers.
>>35362037
i mean what would you even do if you caught china? Sorry China we're banning you and Russia from the olympics... it wouldn't even be the olympics anymore....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BEnVh96QrY
>>35362078
keked hard
>>35361843
>Some people have better timed cycles
>some people have better drugs to mask the steroids they're taking
>some people use drugs that aren't tested for
What better drugs? What better cycles? If an anonymous 4chan guy knows how to beat the tests, then why doesn't Uteshov?
>some non-medallists are lucky and don;t get selected
>some people get lucky and have a false negative
But most weightlifters don't fail drug tests. Yet, you say everyone is cheating. Are they just lucky?
You still have not established that everyone is cheating. You have only brought up some possible ways people might cheat and not get caught.
>>35361867
There are plenty of honorable medalists and record holders who have never failed a drug test.
>>35362149
Lu xiaojun and Tian Tao drink special Chinese tea several times a day to mask their drugs.
;>)
-bu bum tiss-
>17 drug suspensions from the WWC
>>35362149
testers evolve as well the drugs and methods used
from the atg post
"Houston Anti-Doping Commision Wrap up says there were more than 200 tests carried out (out of about 587 athletes) and 24 adverse analytical findings and two new findings in peptide hormones, growth factors, related substances and mimetics."
no one is going to prove to you that the vast majority of top lifters are roiding, but you can't do the opposite either. if you dont think they are you're being a bit silly.
i'm not gonna say anything else after this desu but i'm bored so typed a reply anyway
>>35362149
just because they didn't fail doesn't mean they're not doing it. get out of here with your 60kg snatch dude.
>>35362078
That cheeky Australian VP probably did this
PEDs should be permitted across the board, full stop. There is only an unfair advantage when there is a discrepancy in the testing regulations and drugging practices between countries, which is what we see now. Level the field, get back to the competition.
>>35362275
>no one is going to prove to you that the vast majority of top lifters are roiding, but you can't do the opposite either.
The opposite would be minority. I never cared to prove that. I don't care much for the difference between majority or minority either.
The two posts I replied to said:
>Everyone within spitting distance of a medal at an international weightlifting event is on something
>Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it?
"Everyone" is the word used. Is it impossible to be a record holder or medalist without drugs? I see no proof of this.
>>35361938
They're ALL on roids. Everyone.
Ever fucking professional athlete is on roids
>>35362397
>PEDs should be permitted across the board, full stop
Fuck no
>>35362453
i'll suck it up and reply
for a start people say 'everyone' when not meaning it literally, but then i know you know that
the point is no one can prove it, and im not gonna waste time trying to.
dont get me wrong i'd like to believe some people are not roiding, and some in the B classes and lower end of the A classes are most likely not, but let's be honest here, any medalist not using PED's would seem incredibly improbable
>>35355628
As
>>35356524
mentioned, ironedge usually have romaleos. Can't find it on the site anymore. If you live in Melbourne, you can even go to their warehouse and try it out.
Wiggle seems to be the cheapest for adipowers. Or even try http://mmafightstore.com.au/category/footwear/weightlifting-shoes/ , I think they have a shop in Melbourne so you can try them out in there.
Otherwise I know a lot of people wait for an eastbay code and get it shipped from US. Even with their extortionate shipping fees to Aus, still works out cheaper.
>>35362504
The post just 30 seconds after mine said
>They're ALL on roids. Everyone.
>Ever fucking professional athlete is on roids
So yes, you need be clear with what you mean.
The "everyone is on roids" stuff goes far. There's no way to address that because if you bring up drug tests then they'll say they're beatable no matter what. Standards of testing don't seem to be relevant at all. Randomized or not. Even internationally mediocre Kendrick Farris is accused of being a dishonorable roider.
>>35359893
Smolov for ohp
Or just do ohp 3x5 twice weekly and do it 5x10 with dumbbells at least once weekly
>>35360042
Depends on the complex, often I do cl +fs +jerk at 80%
>>35362453
>Is it impossible to be a record holder or medalist without drugs? I see no proof of this.
>guy who sets wr gets popped
IT'S POSSIBLE NATTY GUYS YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE IN HONOR
>>35362861
Exactly. You understand what I'm saying.
>>35362693
stop being silly m8, i cba to reply anymore
>>35362918
so kydyrbaev was natty last year when he won the worlds after he came off suspension 2 years before that, and now he's not natty again cause he got popped huh?
>>35362948
Yes.
>>35361806
The fact of the matter is that PEDs exist now, and you will never stop people using them.
>>35362149
People get lucky, there's a million ways that you can get caught, and a million ways you can get through. Just because someone passed a drug test doesn't mean they are natty, you can't look at lulu and even possibly think he is natty, but he has never been popped.
>>35362397
Hell no, we are just asking for Russia to return to brutally pumping up their women with t like they used to do. Is wrong to do this for our own benefit.
>>35362453
Just stop clinging on to false hope, a 77 isn't going to snatch 180 without some serious doping.
>>35362918
Why do you even care so much? PED use is rampant among high level sports. This should be abundantly clear just from how many were busted at wwc.
>>35362282
pls don't make fun of us with dyel snatches :'c
>>35362991
>pumping up their women with t like they used to do.
are you implying those medalists with tranny sounding voices arent pumped up
i bet nothing has changed since women's wl was only added after the classes were already reset
>>35362923
You can not address my points.
>>35362991
>The fact of the matter is that PEDs exist now, and you will never stop people using them.
I never tried to.
>there's a million ways that you can get caught, and a million ways you can get through.
Then name the ways to get through. I'm sure all those busted cheaters could have used your advice.
And "Luck" is what you say when you don't have an answer.
>Just stop clinging on to false hope, a 77 isn't going to snatch 180 without some serious doping.
It hasn't been shown that any 77 can snatch 180.
>Why do you even care so much? PED use is rampant among high level sports. This should be abundantly clear just from how many were busted at wwc.
So cheaters get caught. Nothing new. What this doesn't mean is "everyone ever and forever is on roids no matter what"
>tfw I got weightlifting shoes for Christmas
I'll finally be able to start this shit!!! :)
>>35363162
your points are silly, the whole conversation is by now
>>35363185
My points are logic based. You can call me silly all you want but that is not an argument.
>>35363217
lol you're either a good troll (which if you are some of the other posts, then i suspect you are) and if you aren't then you are being inherently silly, whether you realise it or not
>>35360799
Underrated
>>35363257
Telling yourself things you don't like are part of a troll is also not an argument.
>>35351286
anyone know where to get straps like this?
>>35363290
yeah okay, you can stop shitting up the thread now with your 'argument'
>>35363306
If you can not address my points then why do you keep replying?
You don't have to reply, or keep reading something you don't like. To keep complaining like this is childish.
>>35363290
Please, you don't even care for conversation at this point, you just want to win an internet argument. It's Christmas, I'm going skiing, have fun with your win.
[spoiler] lu snatched 180 in training this year [/spoiler]
>>35363327
read your own posts and then ask yourself who is childish
the whole conversation (or argument to you) is arduous
>>35363328
this guy gets it
>>35363328
He hasn't done it in competition. It's relevant obviously.
>>35363344
My points are written. Anyone can address them. But a child will continue complain that I've written them.
>>35363383
>My points are written. Anyone can address them. But a child will continue complain that I've written them.
*tips*
>>35363383
people addressed your points, no one said anything to say that anyone couldn't reply, and he is not being childish by pointing out that your points are inherently themselves pointless and that you are just trying to win an argument over nothing
>>35363461
>people addressed your points
No one addressed anything I said here >>35362693 or here >>35363162. Just one guy calling them silly.
>no one said anything to say that anyone couldn't reply
Of course, but I did not imply that. I mean my points are out there and anyone is free to address them.
>pointing out that your points are inherently themselves pointless and that you are just trying to win an argument over nothing
If you can not address my points then don't bother replying. You simply reveal your inability to argue.
>>35363506
why bother replying when your points can only be addressed with unprovable claims, just like yours, so then you will continue to say your points weren't addressed or that the replier can't prove their claims over and over again just to have the last say
Someone actually believes there are current world records held by natties? AHAHAH
>>35363543
>why bother replying
You seem willing to discuss a discussion but not have the discussion itself. This suggest you're unable to address my points and are just turning this into a meta discussion to feel as though you can successfully argue.
>then you will continue to say your points weren't addressed
I say my points weren't addressed because the only replies to those two posts say "stop being silly m8, i cba to reply anymore" and "your points are silly, the whole conversation is by now". It's rather simple really but you missed it on some level, just to throw my points to the side and feel as though you can successfully argue anyway.
You can keep complaining about my rational approach to discussing drugs in weightlifting if you want but I don't have any more time for this. Several fierce replies consisting of nothing but mockery and evasion don't address my points, and I don't think anyone here can.
>>35361614
Honor is a spook
>>35363686
Congrats m8 you won the gr8 db8 8/8
>>35363686
you are doing everything you are saying I am doing
if you want to believe that medalist/top lifters that havent tested positive aren't using PED's, you can, all i said is that it is unlikely, it was you who carried it on not me
i will go now because it's late here
at the end of the day I wish there was honour and that the top guys aren't roiding, but i doubt it will ever be like that
Waifu
>>35363750
You are retarded and aren't able to have a discussion did you flunk high school?
>>35363686
Whats your point?
Be explicit and you'll get an answer.
Sum it up in one sentence.
>>35363781
Yes you know me well. Just like you I also became a professional at debating people on an anonymous message board.
tfw no free elieko barbell homegym equipment
>>35363835
No I am not that Anon but you just failed to employ much logic in discussing something with a different person.
Putting le 4chan is 4 retardz maymay aside. The fact you can't defend your position against someone who is obviously reasonable and keen in having a mature discussion says a lot about you.
>>35363920
She dresses like a fucking whore. Fuck women nowadays are just terrible.
>>35358872
http://www.iwf.net/2015/12/24/public-disclosure-51/
Zhassulan positive tests
http://www.iwf.net/2015/12/16/public-disclosure-42/
un guk kim positive
Senpaitachi how do I stop pressing out on my jerks. I keep pressing them forward instead of up what do I do?
>>35363217
lu has snatched 180 though so you are a fucking idiot sir
>>35363686
are you a virgin?
>>35364764
Although likely not at 77.
>>35364783
lu has said he doesnt weigh much more than 77 in training, prob 78-79 80 is pushing it senpai
>>35352421
what in the living fuck are you doing?
find someone to teach you to perform these lifts properly. what in the living fuck are you doing, m8
Thoughts on double progression?
>>35361471
wow you guys are fags, you have to respect the bar like you would respect your mother.
>>35364769
Your gf is 17 and you're on roids stfu
O b post more on instagram
>>35364919
y
liftan has been pree mediocre lately w/ the job
>>35364919
not anymore my bf says i have to stop whoring my self on social media
>>35364908
A) yes she is and i fuck her everyday
B) Nahhh bahd
C) I don't care what u have to say u virgin
>>35364953
>>35364919
i think he wants to jerk off to u
>>35365086
Pedophile ass nigga can't get girls your own age ass nigga on roids but not at the national level ass nigga
>>35363732
So id gommunism :DDD
>>35364641
Mobility and technique
>>35365086
Kek, 17yo ex fuck buddy of mine is coming back to my country in January
Can't wait
>tfw 28 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sArAlOgGznU
is this the greatest clutch lift of all time?
>>35365690
I can't remember this lift v well, ilya 242 is probably the one that you are looking for
>>35365720
>hits 205
>misses 211
>moves up to 218
I'm sorry but this lift was more impressive than Ilyas. Ilya was trolling anyway. He could hit 242 all along.
>>35365735
Ilya's 242kg cl&j was more clutch imo
>also missed his second attempt and increased weight anyway
>new world record had just been set 239
>another new world record set 240
>ilya sets another new world record 242 plus total wr to take gold on last attempt
>>35365781
Iyla missed it on purpose. It was his warmup to move into 242.
See his prefomance in the presidents cup? He dropped his 189kg snatch on purpose.
>>35365111
isnt durkz canadian? aoc over there is 16 so theres nothing wrong with that
>>35365805
yeah and Lu and tian bombed out on purpose
then lovchev took the WR then got popped on purpose so the cleaner russian albegov can do it next year on rio where he's 100%%% cleanest
also that north korean manlet who "popped his elbows" 2013? that was on purpose as well so he can break the real record two years later after he faked that so he can be the best north korean man
>>35365874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EzY2f8EqjQ
you think im kidding but im not
1:40
perfect technique. dropped it on purpose.
>>35365805
Solid mind games if true, but still doesn't make tians lift more clutch because three new world records in a row at almaty is best
>>35365947
I don't think so. Iyla still would have medalled if he missed the lift, which he never would have. He's fucking iyla ilyin...
Tian is just 21. No fame, no background. If he missed his lift he would have went home with nothing. Instead he tied the 218kg world record, took Iyla's junior world record from him and got gold medal all in the same moment in one of the most ground breaking squat jerks of all time.
Flawless really.
Iyla is too unstoppable and godlike to even get enjoyment out of watching anymore. I like the underdog.
>>35365873
>its only 16 is like one province
>>35365892
just like he did when he attempted 233 back in 06 only to break it 6 years later!
what a genius ruseman
>>35365962
>No fame, no background
he wasn't competing before that i guess, he wasn't a medal contender before that i guess
no one literally knew who this kid was coming into this comp a random guy from china just went and did and fuck lyla in the ass
>>35366112
to be fair Tian has been a monster ever since he started lifting but he had a few bad injuries attempting ground breaking world records at such a young age.
He almost hit 215kg clean and jerk in training at age 17 while weighing 77kg. Guy can front squat 270kg at 85kg bodyweight.
He's not human. He's gonna be another freak like Ilya Iylin if he can stop getting injured.
>>35351286
If all I care about is (moderate) strength gains and aesthetics is there any reason I would ever Olympic lift? Been lifting for a while but it just looks extra.
>>35366499
No u will never be the best in the world at something so you should not even try it, it's not fun, it's horrible, and not fun, and it's boring, and I hate it
>>35364097
These have been a fun read man. Thanks for that.
>>35355628
Just settle for some AWF shoes. They're cheaper, well made and look patriotic as fuck
>>35365979
nah like half of them and berta is 16
>>35365111
I've fucked a couple 30 year old girls and it isn't as fun... Anything older than 25 and things start to sag
>>35365892
that wasnt on purpose, it was too in front
>>35367446
How loose were they, roidnormie
merry christmas minnasan
r8 my tech
>>35368433
shit
>>35366330
he's not on ilyas level. Ilya is a character and more confident... also a better competitor....
