>go to a party
>"have a drink anon"
>"live a little"
>no thanks I'm good
>mfw all these people that aren't going to make it
>mfw an early 20s 4channer intentionally sabotages his social life in the hopes of making slightly better gains in the gym
>mfw he doesn't even realize that most top athletes are impulsive and party often
>>35303298
OP is a faggot
>>35303298
Johnny Manziel partied more than he played football and he is in the NFL. Sorry op but you're not going to make it.
>>35303327
>>35303335
lol I'm not even OP but you guys are subhumans if you drink alcohol, not even speaking in regards to gains
Why do people get uncomfortable if you dont drink? I dont get it
>>35303327
>>mfw he doesn't even realize that most top athletes are impulsive and party often
>mfw he doesn't even realize that most top athletes are impulsive and party often
>mfw he doesn't even realize that most top athletes are impulsive and party often
>mfw he doesn't even realize that most top athletes are impulsive and party often
another one who's never gonna make it.
Good job OP, you gonna make it.
>>35303341
he's also fucking terrible and wont be in the nfl long
browns are notorious for drafting shit qbs
>>35303343
I don't really drink at all. The only time is if I go out to a pub or bar, and I don't do that often anyway.
>>35303343
People who drink tend to live longer. There was a study that compared groups of people who exercised and drank and those who exercised and didn't drink. The group that did both lived longer
>>35303373
what if you drink a glass of urine every morning after you've brushed your teeth ?
>>35303366
He's better than you
>>35303373
>people who drink tend to live longer
jesus fucking christ do people actually believe this shit, lmao natural fucking selection
>drink every now and then
ok
>knocking out 6 packs every day
not making it
>>35303387
at what
driving like shit? hitting girls?
>>35303373
Congrats, not only did you live for 3 more pretty shitty years at the end of your life but you also got to 'party hard' and get completely wasted!
>>35303397
>being this jealous
>>35303425
im jealous of cam newton
not johnny faggot
it makes socialising easier and i try to keep the beer to a minimum. i usually go to the table with the shots-people
also 3-400ml of korn is great for a fun vidya evening with friends during the week
>>35303327
>I need to drink to have a social life
You can't be that fun person you are while sober, huh?
>>35303373
>1 study
>conclusive evidence
pick one
>>35303387
relevant how?
>>35303718
>being the only sober person at a party
Jesus Christ how horrifying
>>35303364
You should see rowers mate, the most dedicated in all areas I've seen, and then after the race they've been training for they piss on HARD
actually declined going out last night w/ a bunch of close friends because was worried about it effecting my gains
feel terrible :(
>>35303790
its pretty weird, but interesting
>>35303718
So a fun sober person doesn't drink ever?
>mfw degenerate losers who dont have the social skills to go to a party and be fun without drinking trying to justify their crutch itt
sure is never ganna make it in here lmao
>>35303850
No, a person can be fun and sober at the same time.
>>35303298
Vodka and water
When they ask what your drinking you can lie and say just vodka (if you're a pussy who cares what others think of you) or tell the truth and say V&W.
"But why water?" you ask. Well you better not be drinking sugary drinks for starters, and that alcohol dehydrates you. Even if you do 5:1 Water to Vodka per glass/cup you still end up dehydrated.
"But I won't be drun-" shut the fuck up. You don't need to get plastered and black out to have a good time. Ingesting 30ml of vodka (1 Standard Drink's worth of vodka) with 150ml of water is still ingesting 30ml of Alcohol. People who tell you that watering down your drinks means you don't get the full effects of the alcohol are pants on head stupid and you should probably kill them on the spot to take their genes out of the pool.
Even with a 5:1 ratio per cup you should still be drinking more water, Even if it means you go drink out of the tap or ask for bottled water. The last thing you want is to pass out dehydrated covered in your own sick and be "That guy who can't handle his drink"
>>35305002
vodka and water? what the fuck?
have vodka and diet lemonade, like a normal person, if you're avoiding sugar
>>35303882
whats that sorry?
>>35305002
>>35305062
>Vodka with anything
You are all pussies.
Drinking in moderation is fine. I'm not really sure when half of /fit/ became teetotalers. Must be new.
>>35305002
I agree about the water part. I never get hangovers, and everyone I know who bitches about le ebin crazy hangover are people who drink no water, piss fuckin like light brown 24/7, and then take 10 shots no water during no water after no water in the morning. Then they drink a coke and cook bacon to "help" their hangover. Just stay hydrated, it makes a serious difference.
>HELLO I'M A DISGUSTING NORP
>I LITERALLY REQUIRE THE USE OF DRUGS IN ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME BECAUSE MY EXISTENCE IS SO PATHETIC WITHOUT THEM
>I LIVE AN UNHEALTHY LIFE AS I AM UNABLE TO ENJOY THINGS WITHOUT SAID DRUG BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE
>I'M SUCH A PATHETIC SHIT THAT IF ANYONE IN ANY WAY DOESN'T ADHERE TO THIS RETARDED NORM I WILL IMMEDIATELY GET DEFENSIVE, AGGRESSIVE AND UPSET BECAUSE OF HOW INSECURE I AM
When will alcohol be regarded the same as heroin and other hard drugs, as it should be?
I've cut down on binge drinking on the weekends. I feel better overall. The hangovers are getting to be unbearable. I always waste a whole day in bed if I go too hard. Now, every once in a while I'll go ahead and let loose but it used to be almost every week or every other week. Now I'm all right having a few nice beers to sip on with dinner or hanging out with friends. I don't feel the need to get wasted each time to go out anymore.
Why is /fit/ 80% of the time dumb as fuck when it comes to alcohol?
This is what it boils down to:
>lots of empty calories
>lowered inhibitions
The first is deadly on a cut, the second leads to eating/doing shit you don't want. Ignore studies about "muscle repair declines by 12.53% when drinking 3.5 units of spirits or 2.36 units of beer", their effect is dwarfed by the above two. If you binge drink, you'll have plenty of unwanted calories with no nutritional value, probably followed by "easy" food like pizza or kebabs with less than ideal nutritional value. If you drink a little but regularly, you're still drinking a lot of empty calories.
These may compromise your goals. If they do, and you're not okay with that, make the change you need to.
I binge drink every 2-3 weeks for one night. It messes with my progress, but I enjoy the night out. I will still "make it" to my own goals in spite of that because I'm not a weak willed faggot and I recognise what effect it does have.
>>35303298
>>35305173
Except if you ever say that to anyone in real life they will say you're a weirdo for not drinking/the unfun straight edge loser.
>still getting hangovers
Pleb
>>35305152
Imply it ain't electrolytes
You fucked up again son
List to da elephant errything you said is irelephant
>>35303395
This.
>>35303818
>rowers
Fellow rower reporting
>>35303858
>go to a party and be fun without drinking
You can, but then you're 'that guy.' Fuck that guy.
>>35303298
>go to a party
>>35305148
I think we got a big flux of /r9k/ers.
Gentlemanly autists who are too enlightened to require the use of "drugs" to enjoy their lives.
>>35303840
>not understanding that being happy about life will bring you the mental strength to push harder and make mad gains
>>35303298
Aspie as fuck
>>35305152
>>35306607
I bought pedialyte, that drink for little kids that are extremely dehydrated from sickness.
That shit has WAY more electrolytes than Gatorade/Poweraid, and a lot less sugar.
>>35307547
This. Morale is half the battle, for me at least. I can do everything else right, but if I'm feeling down, everything will end up going to shit, or what I did do won't have been as good as it could have been.
>>35305553
This guy gets its.
>>35305002
or just drink whisky. Vodka and water mixed tastes like absolute arse
>>35303714
>400ml of korn
>91g of pure alcohol
>about 2‰ at 75kg bodyweight
>thinking getting that hammered on a weekday is normal and harmless
do you even want to make it?
>>35303373
1 glass of wine daily =/= getting shitfaced
>>35303298
>not rewarding yourself every week or so
>>35303298
Part of making it includes a healthy mind as well as body, enjoy your autism while the rest of us have fun.
>>35307874
>not realizing that after a year you move past "rewarding" since the rewards start to seem like poison to you.
>>35303298
you are retarded.
alcohol is the steroids of the natty lifter
greek athletes were highly encouraged to drink large quantities of wine, but discouraged from drinking at all times of day.
milo of croton supposedly drank 8 pints of wine a day.
hippocrates prescribed it to sore athletes.
but outside of ancient anecdotes.. the scientific data is what is fascinating...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23470309
>Eight resistance-trained men (mean ± SD: 25.3 ± 3.2 yr, 87.7 ± 15.1 kg, 177 ± 7 cm) completed two identical acute heavy resistance exercise tests (AHRET: six sets of 10 repetitions of Smith machine squats) separated by 1 wk. Post-AHRET, participants consumed either 1.09 g of grain ethanol per kilogram lean mass (EtOH condition) or no ethanol (placebo condition)
>Peak blood ethanol concentration (0.088 ± 0.015 g·dL) was achieved 60-90 min postexercise
> At 140-300 min postexercise, TT, FT, and free androgen index were significantly higher for EtOH (TT: 22.5 ± 12.5 nmol·L; FT: 40.5 ± 7.6 pmol·L) than for placebo (TT: 13.9 ± 6.8 nmol·L; FT: 22.7 ± 10.0 pmol·L). No differences between conditions were noted for SHBG, cortisol, or estradiol.
alcohol, drunk after lifting, can effectively double testosterone levels (well.. almost double.. close efuckingnough)
alcohol is the greatest tool for natty gains, just limit yourself to 4-5 drinks a night, and ONLY drink after you have done heavy resistance training.
>>35307914
>getting drunk promotes a healthy mind and body
>>35307934
>Smith machine squats
>>35307936
>restrictive dieting and repression of desires to occasionally imbibe in recreation is a healthy mindset
nigger are you retarded or just autism?
nobody is saying get trashed every day.
we are saying don't be so repressed.
>>35307936
If you cannot let go once in a while without worrying about "muh gains" then you are fucked in the head, I bet you are the type that would bring your own food to a family dinner.
>tfw complete fucking lightweight
>tfw a shot or two of whiskey is enough for me to have fun throughout the night without being a total fucking loser who just sits on the side sober
>tfw never had a hangover
>>35307963
>putting literal poison in your body is comparable to eating with your family
>>35307959
>not drinking alcohol means repressing yourself
both of you got ways to go.
>>35307959
>not realizing that the "average" we now have in society is completely corrupt and that the middle ground fallacy doesnt work here at all
In 100 years the average test level dropped sharply because people stopped exercising and started eating like shit.
Children now have less muscle mass than their parents because of tablets and phones.
Beetus is high, alzheimers is also high.
And you dont want to stand apart from all of these degenerates? Perhaps you are just one of them.
>at a party
>lots of cake, cookies, potato chips, sweetened pretzels
>on a cut/ Barely touch the table
>everyone else starts to feel self conscious
Look fuckers, I don't give a shit. Don't give me shit. Deal?
>>35307974
>both of you got ways to go.
No wonder people around you drink, you are a boring cunt to listen to sober.
>>35303364
you look like legitimate shit, why are you talking?
>>35307985
that's cute.
>>35307974
/r/ing the nbcsli study that shows a BAC of 08-15% increases testosterone in men
>>35307976
>using the word degenerate unironically
let me guess, you believe in iron-age mythology?
thanks for the opinion, jackass.
>>35307974
>poison
it isn't poison if your dosage is proper.
then it is just fuel for natty gains
>>35307934
>>35307934
almost as good as steroids.
also i have the feeling 100% of the people shitting on alcohol are fatfucks who look like garbage... even greg o'gallagher drinks from time to time
you guys are faggots. i'm on a cut and still do fine losing weight while going out and having drinks and a good time. jack and diet or some similar.
i'm not talking about getting drunk 3+ times a week. i'll go out once a week and have a couple drinks, catch a nice buzz, and enjoy myself.
>>35307868
so don't get shitfaced then.
this may come as a shocker, but you can drink in moderation.
>>35303366
how about gronk? or jahlil okafor? or any of the countless other athletes that go out and get smashed, but don't make it public knowledge.
>>35307976
>do lots of sports
>go outside
>see people who run really slow, like really slow
>according to that person you replied to, you should also run slow like them because ITS THE AVERAGE ITS NORMAL
>Do 10 pullups, but you shouldnt, because its not the average. On average you should only do 1 pullup because nobody else is doing it
>"YOU SHOULD GET A PHONE AND CHECK FACEBOOK EVERY TEN MINUTES, ALSO GET A BAD POSTURE BECAUSE OF IT BECAUSE EVERYONE IS GETTING BAD POSTURES"
>go to a store, buy food, see majority of people buying shitty food (which is also more expensive usually), according to that person you should get rid of your bad food and buy shitty food BECAUES ITS AVERAGE, EVERYONE DOES IT
How about fuck that person, and fuck the averages. Gods are not average. Funny enough, if you actually eat well and exersize a lot, you will be AVERAGE OF 50 YEARS BACK WHEN PEOPLE STILL WERE HUMAN.
How about fuck your friends at the party that listen to dumb pop music, fuck their friends and work colleagues. I can outlift them, I can outrun them, I have higher test than them, I have better moods than them. Why the fuck would I want to associate with them? Give me gods, not rodents as friends. If there are no gods like me around, then I would rather be alone than be brought down to rodent level.
>Not just drinking non-alcoholic so you don't get those dumb questions
>>35307998
its already in the thread
>>35307934
also its a BAC of .088 plus or minus .015, not plus or minus 15%
so a BAC of anywhere from .073 to .103
total testosterone and free testosterone levels both were almost doubled in the alcohol group vs the control
>>35308026
you're extremely delusional. being extremely healthy, able to lift a lot, and outrun people DOESN'T put you leaps and bounds above people. i can't tell you how many people don't lift, but have made it fuckin leaps and bounds above you and would consider you a maggot.
get your fuckin head out of your ass and quit being a judgmental faggot. you're not better than anyone because you lift weights and run. maybe one day you'll realize this and actually enjoy your life.
>>35308036
oh ive been fucking up then i've been drinking 5-6 shots after each workout to get to .15
it hasnt been pleasant i also eat garlic daily for a test boost
>>35303373
I'm sure the study on that has a lot of scientific credentials
>>35308026
>thinking that first post said anything about averages
it said don't be a repressed faggot, it didn't say anything about respecting mediocrity
>>35307959
literally nothing in that post talks about striving for "average"
it just says not to be a repressed autismo.
you can drink alcohol and be miles beyond above average.
you can even be the GOAT and drink alcohol.
just look at the greatest bodybuilders, strongmen, and athletes
they all drank, just not to excess.
you are arguing against a point that was never made, you fucktard.
you must come from /pol/
>>35308040
Considering how 80% of all people are overweight/obese, have lower test than their parents, live shorter lives and have weaker muscle mass. I can safely say that I am better than them. Because behavior in men depends on testosterone and other factors, which these people also are failing at.
These people, and since you are defending them, also you. Are human failures. Vermin, rodents. Why the fuck would I want to associate with cucks like you?
>>35308046
yea, .1 would be considerably more than required.
>>35308047
it actually does, but i am sure a scientifically illiterate fucktard such as yourself feels qualified to interpret data you can't even understand.
>scientists are wrong, and i am right... no i don't have a degree in any scientific field, but why would that matter?
>>35308026
this would motivate me if you didn't sound like such an arrogant bag of shit.
>>35308040
He is right tho. nobodys judgemental and there is no ego stop being butthurt.
>>35308051
You dont understand alcohol and the scientific way to look at things. This substance has no purpose. If you take away its culture, and its middle ground fallacy. Consuming it would make as much sense as going outside, taking a scoop out of the soil and then eating it.
There is no reason to consume alcohol. It has no benefits for the body.
Its only arguments lie in connecting to a bunch of degenerate losers. But technically speaking its more or less a poison.
What purpose is there in consuming a poison to appeal to you? None I say. Therefore you guys can drink alcohol all you want, but you will be left behind by the gods.
>>35305173
It was during prohibition retard. People realized it was bullshit and prohibition was over. Did you even pay attention in school or did you just sit in your chair and potato out thinking you were better than everyone?
>>35308054
>why the fuck would I want to associate with cucks like you?
you're here aren't you? and you're doing exactly that aren't you?
>>35308026
>If there are no gods like me around, then I would rather be alone than be brought down to rodent level.
friendly reminder that this was typed by a fat virgin who doesn't even lift, and looks like dogshit.
he probably wears fedoras and lurks /pol/
>>35308077
>This substance has no purpose
it increases test. and it is great for socializing.
ancient greeks were advised to drink huge amounts of wine for a reason
there are plenty of studies showing people who drink in moderation are healthier than those who never drink and those who drink in excess.
there are plenty of studies showing physiological benefit (Especially to lifters) from consuming alcohol.
your "scientific" way of looking at things is to disregard all the data, and go off your gut feelings.
that is literally the antithesis of science.
that is how religious people do science.
>>35303327
>but then you remember those are athletes who train more than 2 hours a day
>>35308065
There is no harm is acknowledging that you are better. Yes I am arrogant and yes I can prove it too.
I sneer at people around me because I know that most of them who do sports drop out. Only 1 in 300 actually manages to lose weight for instance. People out there are not human, they are mostly filthy vermin that have no willpower.
I am faster, have better willpower, understand science and adapt my life around it. I am creative, inquisitive and can persever for long periods of time. The vast majority of people around me are not.
Thats why I am better and my comments are very much aligned with reality.
>>35308077
post pics of self, because you look like dogshit.
your only argument was
>hurr be better than average
when NOBODY was talking about being average to begin with, and the "middle ground fallacy" was never used.
you are a repressed autist, and your lifts are probably as garbage as your fatfuck body.
don't blame the fact that you look like dogshit on alcohol
it's your own fault.
pic related is natty and drinks
>>35308104
The antitoxant effects of wine and some fringe study? Haha. How Funny, I am clever enough to look past this shill research.
Alcohol is not known to increase test, but to lower it. This is well documented over a long period of time and no shill study can disprove that.
>>35308114
Yeah maybe but you just sound like a self important retard with extremely severe narcissism and no manners or vulture whatsoever.
>>35308077
>You dont understand alcohol and the scientific way to look at things.
no, YOU don't understand alcohol and the scientific way to look at things
which is why you need to read
>>35307934
also according to harvard
"Moderate drinking sits at the point at which the health benefits of alcohol clearly outweigh the risks."
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol-full-story/
also there are tons of studies on how people who drink in moderation live longer, have better quality of life, and are healthier than those who never drink
>>35308084
>>35308116
haha, this grasping at straws and insecurity. Seriously, bow before me maggets. You arent even worthy of being called vermin.
>>35308135
Culture not fucking vulture
>>35308133
>Alcohol is not known to increase test
confirmed for low-test fuckboy
also
>>35308116
>post pics of self
>>35307934
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23470309
>>Eight resistance-trained men (mean ± SD: 25.3 ± 3.2 yr, 87.7 ± 15.1 kg, 177 ± 7 cm) completed two identical acute heavy resistance exercise tests (AHRET: six sets of 10 repetitions of Smith machine squats) separated by 1 wk. Post-AHRET, participants consumed either 1.09 g of grain ethanol per kilogram lean mass (EtOH condition) or no ethanol (placebo condition)
>>Peak blood ethanol concentration (0.088 ± 0.015 g·dL) was achieved 60-90 min postexercise
>> At 140-300 min postexercise, TT, FT, and free androgen index were significantly higher for EtOH (TT: 22.5 ± 12.5 nmol·L; FT: 40.5 ± 7.6 pmol·L) than for placebo (TT: 13.9 ± 6.8 nmol·L; FT: 22.7 ± 10.0 pmol·L). No differences between conditions were noted for SHBG, cortisol, or estradiol.
and if you think that study is a "shill" study, just look at where it came from, and you will see potential funding bias is entirely a non-issue.
>>35308146
Why the fuck should I care about your opinion faggot? I shit all over people who are faggots like you. You are lucky to get even one reply from me you pathetic beta cuck.
Why dont you cry about it or something. I would actually be "cultural" if society was worth a damn. But with 80% of it being overweight/obese and with a host of other bad factors, there is no need to honor what is weak.
>>35308141
>implying you don't look like garbage
anyone who posts beliefs as stupid as yours is DYEL
probably a fatass looking to blame his obesity on alcohol, would be my guess.
alcohol is beneficial for your health (in moderation) and almost doubles TT and FT levels
>>35308135
I got mine
>>35308163
>80% of people are fatfucks
>therefore my dickhead faggotry is justified
i dare say the worst of those 80% are objectively better than you.
i would dare say most of them could outlift and outrun you too.
the more you post, the more DYEL you sound
>>35308116
that isn't you, you will never look like that in your entire life
I will drink fuck around, snort coke and still be stronger and more aesthetic than you are capable of being
>I don't drink le gains goblin
>doesnt count calories
>meme bulks
>worksout 3 times a week for 45 minute sessions
fucking absolutely retarded
>>35303350
Imagine you are stuffing cupcake after cupcake down while next to somebody who has none. It makes you feel like a glutton and a weakling. Ad though the other person holds the moral high ground
>>35308114
post body with timestamp. a god doesn't have to fear the judgement of vermin after all. or does he?
>>35308152
>>35308164
why dont you drink black tea instead you shill faggot
http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateTheaflavin3-13.html
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/2/516.full#SEC2
There are thousands of bullshit research things like this out there.
>its almost 2016
>still not knowing what is shill research and what is not
>not just doing shots of vodka
Keep your gains and you get to party a bit
>>35303343
Abdul Muhammad detected
>>35308077
>talks about science
>disregards all the relevant scientific data, and the mainstream academic position on moderate alcohol consumption
.... why are people still responding to this troll?
>>35308175
the guy you responded to was arguing FOR the use of alcohol, and the guy in the picture drinks alcohol.
so.... you are in agreement with him
>>35308189
yeah i quoted the wrong guy, meant to quote the guy he quoted
im tired from all the sex ive been having
>>35308077
It has a purpose though, in the past the only way for us to ensure we weren't drinking death water was to ferment beer and drink it. Now it's used as a beverage that helps lower peoples social inhibitions and anxiety. It's an easy way to escape the shitty world with a few friends for a couple hours and have a good time.
>>35308172
>>35308182
>pathetic vermin trying to project his insecurity to others
Do you want me to post my test chart as well? Haha faggot.
if I saw you with your friends, your weakspined little cuck beta friends, I would still laugh at them, and then at you for being such a loser that you need to associate with them.
Why dont you find normal sport friends that also dont drink? Too afraid that you will look like a low test faggot to them?
>>35308141
>Seriously, bow before me maggets
4/10 for dragging it till here
>>35308182
>calls any research shill research
uh.. funding bias is pretty easy to detect, guy.
also alcohol is better for raising test, and for overall health.
the serum test in that study was slightly elevated (Statistically significant, but not really enough to get an effect out of) whereas alcohol almost DOUBLED both free test and total test levels.
also there is zero funding bias in that study, and i challenge you to evidence your assertion that there is.
>>35308011
>it isn't poison if your dosage is proper.
>then it is just fuel for natty gains
exactly, and it makes you relaxed enough to dance so you'll have an excuse to skip cardio next day at the gym and thus preserve your gains.
>>35308209
>tfw all of my drinking friends look better than you and are stronger than you
why you still not posting pics of yourself, faggot?
we all know you look like dogshit.
whereas people who drink are aesthetic and stronk as fuck
>>35308175
>>35308116
>>35308220
>skipping cardio
but.... what would ido portal say?
>>35308175
To anybody that thinks this guy has nice shoulders he doesn't. Stand in front of a mirror topless and shrug your shoulders while leaning lightly forward and your traps will look like his. This guy is a short faggot and doesn't have abs under most lighting either
The people here who say they don't drink are all NEET losers anyways lmfao
>>35308218
There are many studies out there that say a ton of different things on many substances. Coffee, tea, some foreign bullshit herbs etc.
Do you really want to consume them all to get gainz? Yours is a base rate fallacy, just go into any store and your specific branch of research can be found there, among a thousand more.
But oh no, your very specific branch of substance is THE ONE AND TRUE ONLY GOAL FOR GAINZ, now pay 30 bucks and dont look at the rest of the substances so you can pretend that you are right.
>>35303298
This thread is hilarious
Good thing none of you will ever actually write or review scientific research
>>35308209
post pics.
also just a re-cap of some facts
>every single great athlete and bodybuilder (natural or otherwise) has drunk alcohol in moderation
>alcohol can effectively double testosterone.
>pic related drinks
>moderate alcohol drinkers have been shown multiple times in multiple studies to be healthier than non-drinkers
>harvard says the benefits of alcohol outweigh the detriments in moderate amounts
>>35308233
to anyone who thinks this guy is right, he isn't he is butt hurt because he chugs BCAA's, fish oil, and oats with milk. He doesn't have any drinks because he believes that they will impede his progress, progress which is so fucking minimal I trumped 3 years of his possible work in 6 months
<----
>>35308243
I bet you think none of the bulgarian or chinese weightlifting teams smoked like chimneys or drank either
>>35308243
>There are many studies out there that say a ton of different things on many substances.
which is why you just check the funding bias, ya dingus.
also i didn't say alcohol is the only substance for gains.
i just said there is no reason not to drink, and every reason to drink.
it is great for gains and health, and there is no detriment, assuming proper dosage.
>>35308257
Not bad. Height and weight?
>tfw the only people with good bodies are all drinkers
>tfw they are also too dumb to realize they are all in agreement with each other.
there you have it: alcohol kills brain cells but raises test.
You guys can argue all you want but the fact is that alcohol has no beneficial nutritional value at all. In fact, it actually damages vital components of your body like your brain, liver and other organs. This is scientifically proven. Therefore, we can conclude that drinking alcohol is a non-optimal way to increase your health and "fitness" potential.
So why do you hate on people who neglect to drink alcohol? I am not even talking about the psychological consequences drinking has, purely relating it to health and "fitness".
>>35308275
6'1 205, 6'1 225 now because of bulk plus those extra alcohol test calories. ive been drinking 5-6 shots daily at least and eating 3 cloves of garlic a day for the past 2 months.
>>35308299
>ive been drinking 5-6 shots daily
Dude get help. I'm worried about you thats a serious drinking problem
>>35308298
>This is scientifically proven.
then you will have no problem citing your sources.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol-full-story/
i guess harvard doesn't know shit about dick when they say the benefits outweigh the detriments.
i guess all those studies on how moderate drinkers are healthier and live longer than non-drinkers are just uh.... jew shill lies?
also it doesn't double test because i said so.
sure i mean, the data PROVES it does... but i don't know how magnets fucking work, so let's just ignore that study as a "shill"
>>35308261
>>35308269
Causation =/ correlation
Alcohol is being consumed because its the mean, not because its beneficial. It, alongside a thousand different minerals, oils, substances can "increase gainz". If you were to consume them all, you wouldnt have enough room in your stomach for normal food.
Knowing the bigger pictures makes it a joke to think that yours is the only one that is right. Its really stupid because all you need to do is just to walk into a sports store that has shakes and then look at everything that is available.
I could find as many research journals, all very legitimately looking as yours for a thousand different substances.
So the main reason why you pick alcohol is because you like it, its that plain and simple. You are degenerate, your friends are and you need to find your own niche of sponsored research to feel better that you are doing it rite.
The only thing you need for weight lifting is protein, some carbs and rest time. Not alcohol, not coffee, not tea, not anything else besides a "normal diet". You guys are low test degenerates and there is no way around this fact. So please, give me more tears.
>>35308298
>So why do you hate on people who neglect to drink alcohol?
i don't
i hate on faggots who are self-righteous about not drinking, as if that makes them healthier or morally superior.
when in fact it doesn't make them either
>>35308323
>correlation isn't causation, therefore all science can be disregarded offhand
nice data interpretation there, fagtard.
but none of the evidence provided was correlational.
also alcohol being consumed is indeed beneficial to your health.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol-full-story/
>>35308323
>i could find lots of sources that support my outrageous and unscientific claims
>....which is why i can't provide even a single goddamn one of them
>and why they run in direct contradiction to the position of mainstream academia
>>35308323
reasons to drink
>socializing
>recreation
>relaxation
>enjoyment
>increased testosterone
>countless health benefits
reasons not to drink:
>alcohol is bad if you drink too much of it
>literally nothing else
conclusion:
don't drink too much,
>>35308312
it isn't a problem unless it interferes with your obligations which is just shit you dont want to do anyway.
>>35308341
>>35308348
>I am so conceited and focused on one tidbit variable that I am too stupid to go into a store that has a thousand different shakes.
and a thousand different people who found out their own brand, their own niche of feeling special through food.
Am I to assume that you never looked around in a store? All you have to do is just to ask why some mineral is there on the shelf and then google that research. I am not giving you a thousand different links you dumbass, you lack of information of this world does not mean that the world is lacking complexity.
it only means that in addition to your degenerate life, you also have low IQ to go with it, thats why the world is so simple in your minds. Hence you only remember one thing. LOL ALCOHOL.
Social gains are more important than physical gains. Liquor is a good social lubricant if you aren't fun when sober
>>35308359
>reasons to smoke ganji
>reason to use crack cocaine
the words of vermin losers.
>>35308377
>other supplements are useful
>this negates the usefulness of alcohol
????
literally what fucking point are you trying to make.
yes there are minerals and supplements that are beneficial to take.
i probably take a few of them (zma and a couple others)
this doesn't make alcohol unhealthy or bad to drink.
it also doesn't mean it doesn't effectively double your testosterone..
>>35308393
>reasons not to smoke ganja
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
impeding the development of hippocampal tissue.
if you have a fully developed hippocampus, and no predisposition to mental illness, there are literally no health detriments to consuming phyto-cannabinoids, assuming a methodology that doesn't artifice PAHs
>reasons not to use crack
are you insinuating this is pharmacologically comparable?
false equivalency is a fallacy, bud.
>>35308377
>hasn't posted pics of self, because he knows he looks like garbage
>hasn't posted any citations, because there is no scientific data that backs up his fucktardulous claims.
you are wrong from a scientific and an anecdotal perspective.
the data shows it is healthy.
and thousands of years of ancient greeks training agree it is great for gains
>>35308411
Do you also drink black tea then? It can increase your test with 32% while also lowering your DHT with 72%.
Coffee, green tea also has different properties around dht and test.
Maca herb also is good for your hormone levels, do you use it too?
Technically speaking, if I remembered all the bullshit and non bullshit things around test, I could give you a thousand different links, some reputable, others not so. In the end you would still end up with having over 100 different specialized foods and supplements that can increase your testosterone.
So why arent you using more of them?
>>35308377
>lol im so smart
>which is why i got BTFO when asked about citations or pics of myself
>and why i use grossly unscientific arguments to support my ludicrosity
>>35303298
I used to binge drink at least twice a week at uni and although I felt like shit and my gains have exploded since I graduated, damn I miss it. Eventually the novelty wore off and by third year it was almost a chore going out but that first year of getting wasted like 3 times a week and being young enough to not get hangovers was probably the most fun year of my life.
>>35308464
>So why arent you using more of them?
no reason to.
i am not using alcohol ONLY because it increases test.
i am using alcohol BECAUSE it is beneficial to health, and test levels.. and it is great for socializing
also i do drink black tee and coffee, and i do in fact use maca.
but i don't see the sequitur.
even if i didn't use them, alcohol would still be amazing for gainz.
and a great thing to drink with friends and women in a social setting,
>>35308435
The point is that its a drug. Your body does not need drugs to function well. It only needs food. Coffee too is a drug, yet there is research that it can improve workout performance.
Going from there, you could also add creatine...and from then on it could be even worse as there are literally a thousand different herbs and minerals that can "help you improve".
Only food is needed.
>>35308464
>It can increase your test with 32%
serum test levels, which is meh
alcohol increases TT and FT levels by almost 100%
huugely better.
that is like saying "why drive a car, when you can also ride a skateboard?"
because one of them is horribly ineffective by comparison
and on top of that, you can have a car and a skateboard both.
the two are not mutually exclusive
You people are real fuckin' autists if you don't like the occasional drink.
Most elite lifters get shitfaced semi-regularly.
>>35308504
aspirin is a drug, but it is good for you, as is coffee.. hell, even sucrose can be considered a drug
lots of drugs are great for you.
some drugs have both benefits and detriments.
alcohol is one of these.
depending on the dose, the benefit outweighs the detriment
>only food is needed
sure, i never said alcohol is never said alcohol is necessary, or you "need" to drink it.
but outside of the basic needs, there are many benefits to be had
>>35308495
So you are using 5 out of something like a 100 different substances. Why arent you using the other 95? Just go to a vitamin store, sport store that has shakes and ask what other 95 substances you are missing out upon.
I am not kidding when I say that there is a lot of substantiated research out there, just as valid as what you are using right now.
If you are not aware of the nature of our reality, of the contents of a sports store and what kind of fad food that they have, that is not my fault, but rather yours for lacking in cognitive ability to remember reality properly.
To know this reality you basically just need to be aware for half a year of research that comes out, do you people not even go to news websites? Is your IQ really that low? There are fucking THOUSAND of these things that come out each year. From nootropics, to weight lifting, to alzheimers food. EVERYTHING. Some comes from reliable sources, universities, government institutes, some from shill sources. I went through all of that, but you guys did not? Are you guys like 15 years old?
>>35308546
the only people arguing against ethanol
1. have posted no scientific backing to their claims of its detriment
2. are afraid to post pics of themselves because they know they look like shit
the only pictures ITT are of guys who drink, and they all look aesthetic as fuark.
the only science ITT has been posted by pro-alcohol posters
>>35308547
Aspirin is only beneficial at an older age for its blood thinning effects. But in healthy, young individuals there is no point in consuming that, it can actually increase the risk of heart failure.
A normal human being does not need coffee, nor tea, a normal human being only requires food and water to function optimally. Thats it. Not goatbladders squished in snake urine. Not alcohol, not the balls of mongolian horses.
>>35308555
>just as valid as what you are using right now.
not really
99% of that bullshit is the result of funding bias.
>Why arent you using the other 95?
i don't have to, because i drink.
i only drink tea and coffee because i like to, and the maca is only because i am an outrageous hippie.
but there is no reason to use any of the 100
just drink instead.
>>35308555
>what this post has to do with alcohol:
>nothing
>>35308581
>a normal human being only requires food and water to function
correct
>optimally
incorrect.
steroids make you preform more optimally.
wine does too, to a lesser extent.
just ask the entirety of ancient greek athletics.
or if anecdotes don't suit you.
check out the data.
the real, scientific data, unmanipulated by funding bias, clearly shows alcohol almost doubles FT and TT levels.
and the greatest athletes of all time consumed alcohol
>>35308588
No I am telling you, that there are lots of potentially great substances out there. There are lots of fads that are not entirely linked to shill research. Thats why some of them blow up and get put on shelves.
You are seriously missing out on 100's of different great substances. What are you doing sitting at home talking about such an old and boring substance that is alcohol? GET OUT THERE AND LEARN ALL OF THEM. There are goat balls out there that are waiting for you to consume them, so you could get that fugging 2% increase in test.
>>35308630
>fads
literally 100% of these are from funding bias.
stick to studies that aren;t corrupted from funding bias, like this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23470309
also it's closer to a 100% increase, than a 2%
also those other things are bullshit.
alcohol has been proven to be useful over centuries of athletics, and you can't fool a blood test.
>Blood samples were collected immediately before exercise (PRE), immediately after exercise (IP), and every 20 min postexercise for 300 min. Samples after IP were pooled into phases (20-40 min, 60-120 min, and 140-300 min after exercise) and analyzed for total testosterone (TT) and free testosterone (FT), sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), cortisol, and estradiol.
>>35308019
Exactly this. Drink a pint of whisky a once aweek, have a great night socializing, dancing having fun and meeting people.
I cut 20 pounds in the last 3.5 months while increasing my bench by 25pounds.
Never realized how pathetic /fit/ is when it comes to letting loose a bit
>>35308659
to be clear, that study is from medicine and science in sports and exercise.
not from the alcohol industry, but the fitness industry.
american college of sports medicine =/= shills for alcohol
>>35308659
>>35308676
>just tried to do a google battle of "alcohol lowers test vs alcohol increases test"
Well okay, I shall read through your research now. But know this, if it proves to be a little bit true, it still wont make me like the degenerates that consume it at parties, I shall be a god in solitude for the normies are too degenerate in other ways.
>>35308630
>implying goat balls get you drunk
who goes to a party to eat goat balls?
this thread was about alcohol, and why it is awesome.
not about test boosters....
>>35308703
>uses the word degenerate ironically
confirmed for
>virgin
>fat
>believer of mythology
>racist
>idiot
>>35308703
>uses google like that
>expects to get a meaningful result
at least lrn2 google scholar, you scientifically illiterate fagtard.
god i can't believe i wasted time arguing with your dumbass.
>>35303840
>Traded precious time with close friends for a marginal improvement in athletic performance
>Isn't even a professional athlete
I won't call you a faggot since you know you fucked up, but seriously, don't ever do that shit again.
Life is shit. People drift. People die. And you'll die too, eventually. Time together is more precious than any vain thing on Earth.
>>35308703
Confirmed troll
Phew that makes sense now
>>35305152
>>I agree about the water part. I never get hangovers, and everyone I know who bitches about le ebin crazy hangover are people who drink no water, p
This is a meme, no amount of water will stop me getting a hangover once drunk. I also get two day hangovers most the time
>>35308746
>tfw you consistently avoid hangovers with a couple potassium pills and a glass of water
feels good, man
I usually get drunk with wine or vodka.Why are there people who are so super strict and think even a glass of an alcoholic drink will mess up with your gains???Are you new to fitness and think you need 100% strict with everything you put into your body??Are you competing?You can fit alcohol into your macros too.
Oh,I get it,this is like a meta thread like >That guy who sips on water in the gym
Nothing better than seeing your friends and other normies drunk,while you're sober
>>35308769
>oh, i get it, this is a meta thread
no, the OP really and truly was this autistic
he finally seems to have learned better, though
>>35308703
>>35308712
>>35308730
>>35308737
>all these insecure and desperate losers trying to stump my godhood.
Not gonna happen. Compared to you guys I am the only man here, while you guys are vermin. Would not drink with you, as a matter of fact, I would not drink with anyone. Any substance that exists on this mortal plane is only a tool to get more gainz. Who cares if you guys "look good". Most of you would die in a heartbeat if some person on the tv told you to stab your eyes out with forks, since you like normie parties so much haha.
>>35308783
bullshit, that nonsense is annoying as hell.
they keep repeating themselves for seemingly no reason
no fucking volume control
just saying the stupidest shit.
drunk people are only tolerable if you aren't sober, imo
>>35308789
>haha.
This was honestly a great troll attempt. You followed through and stayed in the thread and got a couple good rises out of people. Overall 8/10
Kill yourself tho
>>35308789
>this is what fat lonley virgins tell themselves to make themselves feel better than you
...kinda sad tbhfam.
i normally don't feel pity for people posting on 4chan, but this is a new low...
>>35303350
Because it just feels awkward? Ever been drunk next to a sober person? You just feel like they're not having any fun because they have to listen to shit that is only really interesting if you're drunk
>>35303858
>Doesn't drink
>Still shows up to social events centered around drinking together
This is the problem with you "party sober" faggots. It's not even like you have better things to do than hang out with us and drink. You just want to sit there sober feeling smug while you look around at all the drunk idiots having fun.
It'd be one thing if you people were busy off somewhere making some kind of interesting project happen, or doing something cool. Like working in a private studio, or taking time-lapse photos of the night sky, or jumping fences to put graffiti on walls off the beaten path, staying sober to keep your senses sharp so that the police don't get the drop on you. But you're fucking not. You're just smug, stuck-up cunts who only even show up to feel better than us. And we let you, because we're kind and want to give you the benefit of the doubt. But when you're never really "in" because you're "that guy", don't act surprised.
>>35308806
No I am not kidding, society and most people inside of it are past the treshold of no return. The 80% obesity/overweightness thing is no joke. The next generation of children may not outlive their parents because of how horrible they have become.
Society is sick to its core, its people are filthy, fat, and disgusting.
https://www.endocrine.org/news-room/press-release-archives/2006/testosterone_lvls_in_men_decline
babies are now being born fat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8788593/Overweight-mothers-give-birth-to-fat-babies-study-finds.html
I used to have a pastebin of more factors that show how horrible our society has become, but I kinda lost it. There are many factors out there that have decreased. Most of them correlate with our age group. So no, I would not want to socialize with any of you, since most of you are vermin.
Seriously, most of you should kill yourselves and perhaps I could socialize with what remains, as long as they are not fat.
>>35308759
>potassium pills
might try it, i've bought some activated charcoal (not almonds) but haven't really tried them yet.
>>35308853
>our generation is healthy
>>35308853
This had nothing to do with casual drinking
Autistic fuck
>>35308902
Casual drinking "among friends", well those friends are most likely obese/overweight and have a host of many bad factors attached to them. Why would I want to spend my time with fat degenerates?
>tfw can't drink
>over time my friends became more distant
>went out less and less
>no friends now
fug
>>35307963
>TFW gluten sensitivity
I mean I could eat with my family like a normal person but then I would have mad shits.
>>35308917
All my friends drink and none of us are overweight. In fact we all look pretty fucking good.
Step out of your basement once in a while and get rid of your preconceived notions
>>35309002
Then you were lucky, but for the majority of them you cannot be so lucky. 80% means that most bars are filled with overweight people.
The groups of smokers also intersect with overweight people, but also with those who have other undesirable mental traits. Like this
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33464480
Combine these two groups together and you come closer to 90% of degeneracy.
Should I go on?
then we get this
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2014/nov/24/text-neck-how-smartphones-damaging-our-spines
Even if they are not fat, they may eventually become demented with older age because of their eating habits
http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20150727/high-blood-sugar-may-boost-alzheimers-risk
Do you want me to go on still?
Many of your friends, even if they look healthy may end up becoming vermin.
Out there, in normal bars, there is only degeneracy, because our society is degenerate. Perhaps I should find a more younger sports club, because there at least the people are undegenerate. But somewhat old.
>>35309098
>80% means that most bars are filled with overweight people.
Have you ever been to a bar?
>>35309098
You're combining things you have no knowledge about and are instead just googling random shit.
The health crisis in America is more than alcohol. It's the general gluttony that the nation has.
Like I said before, casual drinking WHILE still working out and being fit is not detrimental at all.
IF YOU EAT LIKE SHIT AND DRINK LIKE SHIT, OF COURSE YOU'LL BE SHIT
>>35309128
Yes and this metric has mostly held up to the national average.
>>35309130
No it is you who has no idea about anything. I am not talking about alcohol here. I am talking about the general composition of what you see as "friends". Your friends are part of a nation, and on that nation we have statistics. We know that most people addicted to foods, sugars, tobacco and other bad things. We know that their hormones are not healthy, that a lot of them have the beetus. We know that most of them dont do sports, are lazy. I wont even go into media consumption and politics.
Most people dont deserve to have my companionship and "most people" is exactly what you will encounter out there.
Only in secluded caves of sport you may start to cut into the more rare healthy types. In sport clubs where I am now, or in gyms where you guys are at.
But if you ever went into a bar you will encounter "The mean". Which means fat, lazy, addicted and degenerate vermin.
>>35309180
The fact you've been trying to prove an incorrect point for the past couple hours is hilarious.
You're more pathetic than the obese landwhales on tumblr
>>35303298
I drink heavily 3-4 nights a week and still probably look better than you. As long as you train hard it really doesn't matter
>>35308917
literally none of my friends are fat, and all of them drink.
it's called don't hang out with fat people.
>>35308821
>justifying degeneracy this much
>being in this much denial
>>35309232
Post CB or shut your mouth
>>35309214
What point is that? I am not talking about what you have in your head, I am talking about "general degeneracy". Has your IQ shrunk so far in the meantime that you do not get a general point being made?
People have many factors. Alcohol consumption is but one tiny factor in the general picture that is "Degeneracy".
Your original point was that "you should drink and socialize, dont skip because its unhealthy"
Well you have perhaps made a small point that its not unhealthy to drink, but your point had two parts. The alcohol part and the "need for socialization".
If you proved that drinking is okay, there would still be a second part, that of socialization. And I attacked that and proved beyond a doubt that the need for socialization is moot since the people whom you are doing with are most likely degenerates.
You wont be "missing out upon them", because they are vermin. Just as you have no need to socialize amongst a bunch of niggers, because you know there wont be job opportunities there.
>>35309236
How many of them smoke tobacco? How many of them consume soda? How many of them buy lottery tickets? How many of them watch reality tv shows? There are many factors like that that would disqualify a person from being a human.
>>35309180
>Yes and this metric has mostly held up to the national average.
Where do you live?
I've never been to a bar that was even close to majority fat, but I've only been to bars in coastal US cities and some European and Asian cities.
>>35309293
fat/OVERWEIGHT
I see people with hanging guts everywhere. Are you seriously this retarded? The 80% is no joke, this metric is well known. Have you been living under a rock for the past 20 years?
>>35309289
>How many of them smoke tobacco? How many of them consume soda? How many of them buy lottery tickets? How many of them watch reality tv shows?
pretty sure none, but i could be wrong about the latter two.
i don't really inquire about their tv show watching habits, but i would be legitimately shocked if they did either.
it is pretty common to find people who don't do that type of shit.
>>35309271
>this is what asocial /pol/lacks tell themselves to feel better about the fact they have no friends
we all know you are a fatfuck ugly virgin...
you realize that, right?
>>35309271
>most likely
Yeah. But they're not. We all lead meaningful lives. All are meaningfully employed and enjoy life.
All of us are fit. You're just salty man
>>35309304
OK, I'm saying that not close to the majority are fat or overweight.
Source on the 80% metric. I mean maybe middle america has gotten really bad but I've not seen it in NYC/Boston/Seattle/SanFran.
>>35309271
>this permavirgin still talking
You're for sure ugly as fuck I can smell it through the screen
>>35303341
>American atheletes
>>35309329
Well then you are lucky, but the stats prove that you are literally just lucky or just really unaware. Its just your opinion vs societal trends. Just as you perhaps are the same person that tried to prove that drinking alcohol is okay, I can easily prove...its even a joke that I need to prove it, man you are a joke for being so dumb. Just turn on your radio and you will get people telling you the latest statistics. Seriously, you should be ashamed for not internally processing the fact that 80% of the people you live besides are fat fucking pieces of shits.
I have repeated myself and the sources for many of the basic factors around what people are, but since you have so few neurons in your head, you lack the capacity to understand how someone who did process this actually judges society.
If you stopped being such a dumb liberal cunt and starting genuinely counting the people around you and their attributes, you would see that the metrics are accurate.
Most humans in our society are vermin, that is more or less a fact. Its not my fault that you lack the mental faculties to see this.
No I would not want to socialize with most people and I have no need for that, since besides pussy, the friendship value that male friends provide are less than that of what internet and research journals provide. The many people that I encountered in my life were no match for the life improving skills of my own mind and a healthy amount of news sources.
So no, to the second part of your preposition. I would not want to socialize with people, well at least not with average people.
>>35307966
Totally the same way. When I was an XC runner, I got drunk so fucking easily. Now it takes like, two or three shots to get me drunk
>>35309341
I have a child, I am inside of a sports club, scored 11th place lately in a cross through a forest. BMI at 23, started doing deadlifts lately. Can do 10 pullups. 18minutes on 5km etc.
I genuinely do not like people around me because I know that they are filth.
>>35309409
>fedora: the post
I'm so happy you'll never reproduce
>>35309266
Last full bodied pic I took while on vacation. This with slightly bigger pecs. Drink usually Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Alcohol won't kill your gains unless you want to be competition ready.
>>35305062
It's called a vodka tonic
>>35309359
you...just have...to google it...
its not that hard...jesus are you really such a huge failure at life that you cannot even google "obesity/overweight rates 2015" or something like that?
>>35309425
You're a lazy fatfuck
>>35309427
Well you are quite unlucky again. I got one kid already, health 2 year old boy.
>>35305173
You sound like someone who doesn't have a lot of joy in their life. I'm not just saying that because you don't drink.
>>35303298
>being that guy who thinks a drink or two from time to time will have any impact on his "gains"
>doesn't post any pics of his "gains"
>>35309438
I am not as insecure as you faggots here haha. Sorry to spoil your fantasy of you having any value.
>>35308166
Timestamp or GTFO
>>35309450
It's funny because he's going to grow up hateful of his father and become a "degenerate" himself. An actual one though.
Remember this post in 20 years. Save it. Screenshot it.
I will relish in your life being ruined
>>35309481
Lol all this grasping at straws. You insecure man women are pretty funny when you guys are backed into a corner.
Would not drink with.
>>35303298
>there are people who feel superior because they don't drink
Watch out, Chad's hitting on your drunk wife OP
>>35309437
Google says 68% of people are overweight in the US. But what does this have to do with people drinking?
Alcohol consumption rates have been roughly the same for the past century.
>/r9k/bots shitting up our board
>"I am far too much of a prime gentlesir to POISON MY BODY WITH CHEMICALS YOU DEGEN WORM"
fuck off, this is why you're no gf
>>35309525
>http://www.gallup.com/poll/181271/obesity-rate-inches-2014.aspx
>obesity and overweight increase still
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-137523/Parents-soon-outlive-obese-children.html
>children fatter than their parents
>http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diet/story?id=3413751
>fat friends increase risk of becoming fat yourself
The real number of obese/overweight people is now near 80% and its still increasing. The children are getting fatter etc.
and why do I have to explain to you for the second time what it has to mean with drinking? The second part of your statement was "not drinking spoils socialization", this is for that second part? Do you really not have enough neurons to remember a simple line of text?
This is about the need for socialization. I am simply stating that there is nearly none. Therefore the original point of drinking socially is moot. Because why would you want to drink with degenerates.
>>35309592
>life expectancy decreasing
http://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-extreme-obesity-may-shorten-life-expectancy-14-years
>lets go out and drink, share habits with a bunch of degenerates.
No thanks. According to the research that the anon who was pro alcohol gave our, smallish doses of ethanol were enough to get gainz.
>>35309592
>socialization isnt needed because people are fatter now
What? You lose the need to socialize because the people you talk to might be fat?
What?
>degenerates
How do you define degenerate?
Where did you get your definition?
>>35309647
from /pol/
>>35309626
Actually yea, because fat is a lifestyle, and keeping fit is also a lifestyle. Fat people talk about foods that they like, fit people talk about foods that they like to avoid and how much effort they do in sports. I socialized with fat people and fit people and that is how it goes.
and that is just one small factor in the overall picture of our society.
fat people are also ill in their minds because they are most likely addicted to food and dont function well because they have lower testosterone.
Yes, I am saying that I do not like them, nor would I want to be around them. Since they are now the majority of our society, I do not go out there to the majority of our society. Its clear discrimination for my own sanity and goals in life.
>>35309592
From your links I'm seeing that overweight people are becoming obese as they get older rather than 80% being overweight. Your gallup link indicates that ≈35% of Americans are of normal weight and have been for the past half decade, leaving ≈65% to be overweight or obese.
Most of my friends aren't fat. The majority of people who live in my area are not overweight, nor are those who attend the bars I attend.
I'm not the person who said "not drinking spoils socialization," by the way. I think he was the other person who responded to your "general degeneracy" post.
Are you saying there is no need for socialization though? I would disagree. I quite enjoy socializing.
>>35309685
I told you to google it yourself. Some of these links have data from 2012. I am telling you that the rate is beyond 70% right now. I cant be arsed to find back the more recent and up to date things because I am not a google machine. All you need to know is that from beyond 2012, the rates kept on rising. They are still rising.
There is also a link up there that shows that obese parents create obese BABIES. At this point in history we are in a positive feedback loop on fatness.
Life expectancy is GOING DOWN because of obesity.
God it always surprises me how many people are unaware of these basic facts.
Whats you see around you is fucking meaningless. I am not sure what state you live in but here, look it up.
http://stateofobesity.org/states/
Its a horrible fucking epidemic of epic proportions and its not slowing down. Not anywhere in the world.
Society is sick to its core, but because its going down so slow, you act like a frog being boiled in a pot.
>>35309789
Dude you're just autistic
You legit got trolled so hard by /pol/ that you've let it ruin your life
Sad
>>35309789
>I can't find the source
>BUT BELIEVE ME STILL
drgh
>>35309789
There have been many health epidemics in the world; I'm not inclined to think that this is the one that actually ends society. Is it a legitimate issue? Yes. Does it mean you should avoid socializing and interacting with people? No. You can choose who you hang out with.
We've both looked up stats, your very own stats don't agree with you. You posted the gallup link. It goes up to 2014, which is only a year behind, likely because 2015 hasn't finished yet.
Also, frogs will jump out of a slowly boiled pot.
>>35309800
/pol/ doesnt even have anything to do with obesity, all they care about is jews, niggers and mudslimes. These things are just basic facts of nations, facts of life.
The only one trolled here is you because you are too stupid to understand the society that you are living in.
That is why I am not going to bars anymore. Because even if they are not fat by sheer luck, I still get the joy of encountering low IQ trash like you who cannot into statistics and data. I might as well be talking to a chatbot, since I will get a more meaningful conversation that with you, you fucking dumbass.
>>35309425
>10 pullups
>proud
>>35309828
Who says anything about it ending society, I am talking about not wanting to associate with lowlifes.
Whether its 70% or 80% doesnt even really matter that much, its still a HUGE chunk of people that are shitty and the trend is still rising dramatically. Children are getting more obese.
Some small discrepancy around the exact number wont allow you to state an extreme opinion like it not being relevant. Its extremely relevant and its not stopping.
So yea, I think its wasted breath on you guys since its clear that fall within the double digit IQ camp. Seriously, you guys should feel ashamed for being such lowlife losers in regards to information awareness. Stop watching the tv jew and go to more news websites. Perhaps then I would want to drink with you, because right now I dont.
The point was easily proven and I am not sure what else should be said, to make you understand how I see the world. So I think I shall just take my leave.
>>35309835
Nah you're an autistic fuckwit who's connecting dots where there needs no connecting.
Nice life faggot.
>>35309913
>Whether its 70% or 80% doesnt even really matter that much, its still a HUGE chunk of people that are shitty and the trend is still rising dramatically
It's not either of those numbers, although you've spent quite a bit of time asserting it's over 70%.
Over 1/3 of the US population is not overweight+. Which is the same as it's been for the past half decade. I'd say that's pretty different from 1/5 and rising.
It also seems you're assuming that every venue or area or social group is distributed in the same way, because somehow you can't find the 1/3 of the population that is of a healthy weight and thus avoid entire venues because the majority are what you consider to be lowlifes. People associate in groups, more educated groups will be in better health.
I am telling you there are bars where the majority of people in attendance are not overweight. I'm not sure why this is hard to believe.
>Seriously, you guys should feel ashamed for being such lowlife losers in regards to information awareness. Stop watching the tv jew and go to more news websites
Come on, man. I don't watch TV but most internet news sources are just as shitty.
>>35309913
>So I think I shall just take my leave.
good day sir! a tip of the fedora to thee!
>>35309433
you should be embarassed, you workout without your shirt on with the such a fucking garbage body. you hurt our alcohol side you enormous faggot. go be sober so you can look dyel and not drink.
>>35310319
>shiggitt diggity bigger than you
>>35310524
you're fat you look like shit and you don't train legs
I on the other hand look like a greek god
compared to you I look like the most mighty zeus
>>35310548
>you look fat
Are you implying that I'd do a full on flex for a bunch of dudes on a Malayan imagery board? My legs are so big I have to get custom jeans. And my ass has literally been a model for sculptures.
>>35310571
how delusional are you? you're 5'10 at most, your stomach looks like absolute shit, literally no ab outline. and you parade around with your shirt off lmao you should be embarrassed.
>>35310613
You must literally be retarded
>>35310319
OK man, post your body.
>>35310711
I did you fat tub of shit.
>>35308184
Don't bother man, I've already said this at the beginning of the thread and everyone has gone full /pol/ and derailed hard haha.
We gonna make it tho
>>35308318
And I don't wanna talk to no scientist, y'all moterfuckers lying and getting me pissed.
>>35308547
>aspirin is good for you
Yeah if you wanna bleed like a heamaphiliac.
It's only "good" for you in the sense that it numbs pain. If you were to take aspirin like a supplement I can only imagine the side effects. honestly, besides being a pain reliever, what are the benifits to using it for anything other than pain relief?
>he doesnt drink wine every now and then
not going to make it
