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When do you use creatine?
https://strawpoll.me/6283065
first
should i load 20g for the first 5 days?
According to research shared by ProfDrAndro of Suppversity, post-workout creatine supplementation is most effective. I usually only take it on the weekends, though, due to time constraints.
creatine gets you butt cancer
>>35272221
No need.
I usually snort my creatine 10-15 mins before workout.
Hey I forgot to take my creatine fir 2 days, am I fucked?
>>35272367
Ya bro you're totally fucked. Just give up
Say adiĆ³s to your hair, amigos.
Serious question, if I'm genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness should I avoid creatine?
>No during lifting option
Ya fucked up OP
>>35272148
>When do you use creatine
>before workout
>after workout
Creatine has no immediate effect. It doesn't matter if you take it before or after workout. What is important is that you take creatine with a lot of carbs since insulin helps with absorption.
A loading phase is not required. 5g creatine per day should be enough.
>>35272415
>>35272444
Why do so many advise a loading phase then?
>>35272472
Broscience and these are probably also the people who lost their hair because they overdosed so much
>>35272450
There are scholarly journals about creatine and hair loss. I'm on my phone, but I literally have several saved on my pc.
Google it.
>>35272415
you have to prioritize in life
hair or gains
>>35272599
then why aren't we all bald? rekt
>>35272621
it's like smoking, we know it's bad for your lungs but not everybody will instantly develop illness
>>35272621
Not the guy with the journals here, but if I remember right, creatine has a minor effect on testosterone and DHT production over a long term.
Although it's not going to make you shed like taking steroids, that little bit extra may help bring on MPB if you are already predisposed.
Someone show me a study which proves that creatine causes hair loss.
Pro tip: You can't
>>35272415
This, family.
>>35272415
Joke's on you, I started balding at 21
Idk what to pick. I take it before bed but i wake up and go straight to the gym.
>>35272795
studies show that it increases DHT
too many people have witnessed their hair falling off, which you can't ignore
>>35272678
This is fact.
>>35272829
>drink orange juice
>get cancer
>AYYY ORANGE JUICE CAUSES CANCER
what is it doesn't make any difference
>>35272864
are you retarded?
>>35272879
Show me a study which proves creatine causes hair loss. There isn't any.
If you're saying there are people here who lost their hair due to creatine, what about these people who still lost their hair but are not taking creatine? Some people are just blaiming it on the creatine.
>>35272148
my friends got me creatine because I always joked about my sick creatine gains
we've only been training for a few weeks tho - is taking it even worth it for beginners?
>>35272954
yes, you are retarded.
>>35272961
>I can't show him any study
>"y-you are retarded!!"
>taking creatine for years
>full head of hair
Same as steroids, if you're going to lose it to creatine, you're going to lose it eventually anyway, all it does is speed it up slightly.
>>35272148
Man, if you can't cite any studies then don't spout stupid shit
>>35273005
no one will study your pussy hairs, little bitch
if you want to have this conversation, you need to learn what DHT is
>>35273457
>I can't show him any study
>"li-little bitch"
>>35273585
if you weren't a little bitch, you'd know what I'm talking about
>>35273585
>>35273602
please get along children
>>35273626
Yes dad
take 5g in my shake err day. on workout days, its post workout.
I like creatine but cant take it during the cold months.
It is not the sole cause of this but it is the only thing that, when I remove it, the process reverses
> on my fingers
> layers below initial skin layer start to open up (takes weeks)
> Fingers look like they have open sores that dont reach the intial skin layer
> sores are painful to touch, increase in size preventing fingers from fully squeezing shut (painful/impossible to get a tight grip)
This only happens when the highs are below 50 degrees
>>35276529
Might get that checked anon. I'm working out outside (currently around 42 degrees) and never had this problem. Taking creatine since a few months
I've used it for many months but I stopped due to the DHT increase and I don't wanna bald
that said, I did find a study that found it was more effective post workout
BUT, my theory is that it's because if you take it pre workout, and you workout, it depletes your glycogen stores
Creatine is also more effective when you boost your insulin so if you take it post workout and have some food to get your glycogen stores and insulin up etc it will be more effective
Completely broscience for the reasoning but there was a study
cba to find it though
>>35276580
I stopped taking it a few days ago and all the shit on the fingers is healing nicely. This has only happened when I use creatine daily during the cold months. Sucks because I do like creatine. Current creatine I use is "con-cret".
Docs around here couldnt diagnose anything, so no creatine for a while.
>>35276635
Maybe try another supp once this is finished. I'm using Creapure by Olimp.
Are you supposed to take creatine even if you don't lift that day?
>>35277298
yes.
>>35277350
Why what's the point?
before and after ed one month on and one month off
>>35276529
you dont drink enough water desu senpai
>>35272419
Serious answer: Yes
>>35277385
To keep your muscles loaded with creatine, so it's there when you need it
>>35277436
Makes sense, thanks
>>35277423
If thats true holy frick , damn I already drink a lot of wat....not enough in the winter
>>35277673
i try to drink at least half a litre before every meal and at least 1,5 litre before, during and after workout. so that would be 4 litres a day
what carbs do you guys take with it to get the max benefit?
why is there no "before AND after" option?
If I take just a small amount of creatine will it
A) have any benefit
B) not make me lose hair
>>35279641
Define a small amount.
Also male pattern baldness is genetic. You can only accelerate it not cause it.
>>35272148
I snort 1lb of it around 1:00am ausfailian time with a hot cup of indian tea BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY WAY
fuck off OP kill yourself asap
>>35272274
Yeah it always takes me an entire 5 seconds to take
I understand your time constraint
>>35276529
>below 50 degrees
you live in antarctica?
>>35272148
You should have put a troll answer on to get rid of the troll blowing the stats up
>>35272959
There's no cons, so doesn't hurt.
>>35279812
Nah mate that be negative 50 degrees
>>35279658
I dunno, half a scoop a day or something.
Basically, wondering if it's possible to take a bit and get a small benefit without the balding kicking in too fast (if I have that in my genetics)
>>35279930
A scoop? What's that in cgs?
>>35279899
shiiiiiiet
this 40 degree heat messing with my like brain molecules and that like
>>35272221
>2/16/15(Wed)10:47:00 No.35272221ā¶>>35272365
>should i load 20g for the first 5 days?
100g for first 10 days minimum
>>35280674
People should really be taking 20g-30g every day minimum if they really want to supplement using creatine, as in an athlete looking for the best legal edge.
Am i the only clever enough person to take it before bed?
>tfw no rest days ever necessary.
>day 22 tomorrow
>gonna bench 315 for 5x21 again as a warmup
>>35280770
What the fuck
>>35280870
All your creatine is bad studies have been proven wrong, the ones that matter anyways, such as kidney and liver nonsense.
>>35280870
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18652080
I heard it can accelerate mpb, and I'd rather not lose my hair early if I have a choice. I want gains, but I also want hair.
>>35280912
no one studied it at a crazy high level like 60g a day long term
But they did study it at loading and low doses. If you don't load heavy but slow over aa month at 5g a day you won't see a noticible spike in hormones that could fuck up your mpb hormones and get all dem gains. If you don't believe look through all the info obline
>>35272148
before and after
>>35272148
i take 5gr in the morning mixed into water
no need for loading phases and cycling and all that shit
no side effects, tasteless, cheap
>>35281436
> If you don't load heavy ...you won't see a noticible spike in hormones
maybe it just develops more slowly, because you're loading slowly
>>35272472
because they want you to use up their product faster so you buy more
>>35281533
>cheap
but you buy the more expensive one
>>35281550
i paid 20ā¬ for 1kg like a week ago
>>35281081
Higher testosterone is linked to higher rates of baldness. Working out is linked to higher rates of testosterone. Surprise surprise, creatine use is also linked to higher testosterone rates, probably because the people who use creatine also work out, because why would you use creatine if you aren't working out? The people who say using creatine makes you bald are confused because the confounding variable is testosterone and working out.
The fact of the matter is: If it's in your genes and destiny to go bald, you're going to go bald. If not, you won't.
Jujimufu has been using creatine for nearly 15 years and he has a full head of hair. You guys need to stop freaking out.
>be me
>"voluntary" strength and conditioning program for football athletes during the summer
>120 USD sign up fee
>wake up 4 days a week during humid ass SE texas summers for 1 hour of sprints and 1 hour of lifts
>meme creatine
>muscles lock up during sprints
>puke soon after
never took again
>>35281558
im balding already i dont give a fuck .. creatine unrelated balding .. genetics
also the hair meme was only found in 1 study with 1 person
>>35281557
and that's less than a yearly supply for you
>>35281566
wasnt the creatine you dumbfuck
>humid ass SE texas summers for 1 hour of sprints and 1 hour of lifts
CREATINE only produces more ATP. IT has nothing to do with muscle lock ups and shit.
Its in your body already .. you just add more. Also it takes a few weeks for it to actually have an effect (saturation). It doesnt work day 1 like that.
>>35281577
yeah thats like 200 servings.
Idk how much money 20 euro is to you but to me its basically ntohing. Guess i can save even more next time!!
>>35281558
>creatine use is also linked to higher testosterone rates, probably because the people who use creatine also work out
no, in one study they measured DHT in athletes before/after creatine loading and it increased
>>35281586
all the nothings add up quickly
>>35281688
true thanks
ill be trying to save more next time
>no not even once option
this place has gone to shit
>>35281607
Was there a control group that used a placebo? Also, if athletic activity is linked to an increase in DHT then I don't know how that's even relevant to what we're talking about, since DHT would increase regardless of creatine usage. It just so happens that people who use creatine also tend to workout, which makes sense because why would you use creatine if you weren't working out?
Some of you fuckers are just bound to go bald. That's just the truth. That's how it works. Of course some men who use creatine go bald because some men go bald.
This fucker right here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vho4JuAER9o] has been using creatine (and god knows what else) since he was 15. He's almost 30 now. Look at his fucking hairline. Look at it. Some people get bald and others don't. Get the fuck over it.
>>35281730
the only argument I heard to buy the "Creapure" is that it's produced in Germany (and it's "micronized" if you have digestive issues from creatine)
but it actually tested worse in labdoor. of course different batches may vary and so on.
>>35281578
You lock up when your atp is depleted and there isnt a smooth transition of muscle fibers disconnecting.
This could have actually been caused by the creatine and the body is still adjusting to it. Maybe the body thought look at all this fucking atp we got but it was just nowhere near where he needed it yet. maybe a traffic issue.
Idk but it could have been the creatine if you think about it really deep.
Anyway, creatine is a wonderful substance. Just buy the one in OPs pic and take a tea spoon a day. You may not become stronger or faster, but the drop in inflammation and increase in ATP will allow you to do a few more sets maybe a few more reps too here and there.
Personally I can lift without rest days on creatine and without it I need to take a rest day every 2 days.
>>35281792
Yes, there was a control group "Double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313
And anyway, why would DHT increase regardless? It's not like they weren't athletes before the trial. But yes, it's significant that there was a control group.
>This fucker right here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vho4JuAER9o] [Embed] has been using creatine (and god knows what else) since he was 15.
He has gyno and he has hair. That guy is not a good example for anything.
>>35281805
https://labdoor.com/rankings/creatine
idk its on rank 2?
>>35281965
creapure is number 6, cheap myprotein creatine is number 2
creapure had more creatinine in it
>>35281991
the creatine monohydrate from myprotein is exactly the one i bought
>>35281965
Does it even matter what rank it is vs grade received? Som of those are lower ranked b/c they cost 14c per serve and not 13c.
>>35282017
well, myprotein sells both
in this picture it's their creapure >>35281533
>>35282024
dont think so. I also think whatever company pays them more money gets a higher ranking.
Overall the difference between those known creatine producers should be negligable
>>35282029
i just googled the pic and its whatever. It just looks similiar.
Anyway. Its good creatine and i dont think you can go wrong with each of them.
>>35282024
we're talking about the quality ranking
don't you find it odd that the famed overpriced German creaPURE had more impurities in it than the cheap stuff? (those impurities are not bad for you, but it's just lower quality stuff)
>>35282037
> I also think whatever company pays them more money gets a higher ranking.
they're not like that, they don't take corporate money. it actually started as a grass roots testing movement on reddit, i think they're honest people. the only problem is that they can't test every batch.
>>35281918
>It's not like they weren't athletes before the trial.
Good point that I overlooked.
I'm still not convinced though. Men go bald with age, creatine or no. If you're at risk for MPB you're probably gonna get hit regardless of using creatine.
>>35282060
im always skeptical
they have so many BUY NOW ref links + FB integration
you never know. Could have sold out already.
>>35281918
>He has gyno and he has hair. That guy is not a good example for anything.
Huh. He has too much estrogen? I'm confused.
>>35282076
testing costs money. "buy now links" just means they get commission from people like you and me buying stuff online. that's the opposite of corporate sponsorship.
>>35282103
still .. you know how the industry works .. esp the fitness/med industry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
>>35282081
when you shoot up a lot of test and your body doesn't know what to do with it, it converts it to estrogen. that may help with hair.
>>35282122
they started doing tests precisely because of the state of the supplement industry.
>>35282128
And drinking helps with estrogen, so as long as I remain an alcoholic while using creatine I should be fine?
Fucking right. And they say it dehydrates me even though I spend half my life drinking water.
>>35282142
dude reddits full of shills and shit it can all be made up
im not saying its a bad site or anything im just saying ill always keep my level of distrust
>>35282155
>ill always keep my level of distrust
okay, let me know if you find a good reason to think they shill (for what exactly?)
>>35282154
who wants to become castated to save his hair?
btw afaik, red whine increases test
>>35282182
I meant red wine
>>35282169
what do you mean for what?
money ofc. Fitness Industry is a billion dollar industry.
Get the top protein/creatine product on the market and you make millions.
Use Forums/Websites/YouTubers/other form of social media to get people to say that your product works.
Fund "studies" that show your product is working and completely safe.
Become millionaire.
Advanced shit like using reddit to disguse your intentions would just be the icing on the cake but it happens a lot on reddit so i wouldnt be surprised if it happened here.
Im not saying it did. It still can be legit. Good if it is.
Hows it bad to be skeptical anyway? Worst thing you can do is be gullible imo.
>>35282197
different companies come up on top in different categories, it's not like they shill for myprotein
and there are usually many winners (A ratings)
>>35282215
although in the biggest volume products like protein and creatine, they do come up on top
