While bulking and assuming sufficient protein intake, is high fat or high carb more ideal for maximum muscle and minimal fat gain?
Also, fit girls thread
Protein and carbs all day erryday
>>35254698
Man whats with /fit/ girls always having crazy fucking hair
Fat/cholesterol is a precursor to testosterone in your body. So I would think high fat.
#broscience4thewin
>>35254712
but aren't carbs more readily stored?
>>35254532
>>35254834
sauce?
>>35254532
going far in the direction of high fat or high carb in addition to the obvious high protein doesn't really have any benefit. as long as you aren't deficient in one or the other you are good. you can look up recommended percentages of each
>>35254739
this is true but you can only push this so far, a normal fat intake will produce more or less t
he same as very high fat intake
>>35254797
your body is extremely efficient at storing excess calories of all types, carbs are not magic
50% fat
30% carbs
20% protein
You don't workout nearly hard enough to burn off the vast majority of carbs you're burning.
Let's be honest.
Building muscle and strength beyond a certain amount is just something that really fat dudes can do.
So eating a lot of fat along with lifting heavy but doing nothing after that is the norm for that kind of body.
Or you can just eat normally and just add in a few hundred calories from some trail mix or an extra few hundred calories a day.
>>35254948
>a few hundred calories
but..muh surplus
>>35255020
Look, let's be honest.
The bulk and cut thing only applies to people on drugs and really really really active people who understand how their body works. And most of those guys are oft on drugs as well.
Oh and teenagers who can, if they are lucky, drop the excess fat and have some extra muscle under there. If they are DAMNED lucky.
But for everyone else.
Putting on a shitload of excess muscle if you're a natural and don't workout often or live an active life where you meet a lot of physical resistance for long periods or have to output a shitload of physical energy in a short period of time. is something the body does as a response to getting fat.
But what about muh weight lifting and fat free muscle? Nowhere near as much as the gear and dope addled fitness shill industry tells you.
An active 400 pound person will oft be, pound for pound, stronger then an active 200 pound person and have a lot more active muscle mass. If a four hundred pounder who is highly active and at best does daily bodyweight stuff all of a sudden lost two hundred pounds that person would be ridiculously strong.
The strong fat thing isn't a myth. It's a fact that's been known since forever. The shortcut to getting as muscular and strong as possible for the average person is to pack on some weight.
But to pack on some muscle and get strong without packing on a lot of fat you'll have to live a very active life AND eat a few hundred extra calories a day. Your body will tell you if you need more or fewer calories by energy levels, thinking patterns, how your body looks in the mirror etc.
>>35254532
Who is this?
>>35255143
if I lift intensely 6 days a week, 20 minutes of cardio after, and stay on my feet most of the day (not strenuous work though, just standing and walking) does that constitute an active lifestyle?
>>35254856
Fiona McNab. Personal trainer for British celebrities.
>>35255177
If you're not on drugz cut/bulk isnt worth it. Your cycles will be too long and you will look like shit for half a year and diet for the other half. Like, think of how much muscle you could build (max) per month while natty- its pretty low. Bulking will make you gain like 7lb of fat for 3lb of muscle at best. Just eat at a small surplus and take a few weeks to cut if you notice you put on a few pounds of fat. It might take a bit longer that way, but you won't look like shit half the time and worry about losing gains in the other.
The reason it works for /fraud/ dudes is that your body needs a lot of extra nutrients to build the extra muscle, and then you can take more shit to cut really fast. Natties build muscle slowly so you just need some extra protein and a couple hundred extra kcal.
>>35255143
>AND eat a few hundred extra calories a day. Your body will tell you if you need more or fewer calories by energy levels, thinking patterns, how your body looks in the mirror etc.
Let me explain, if you are overweight and want to put on muscle then you can do it WHILE eating better and less food.
If you are underweight then you will have to eat more food and lift relatively heavy.
If you are average weight and want to put on muscle mass then you will have to eat only a few hundred extra calories a day and that can be as much as a sandwhich, some baked meat and oatmeal. Etc etc.
>>35255177
Yes you're fairly active. However, you did baloon up to 400 pounds .
While gaining weight might have actually helped with your strenuous lifestyle, you're well beyond what's needed to help and it is now a serious danger to your health and well being and will shorten your life and has a whole host of long term quality of life ruining effects.
High fat, low carb
>>35255258
So how much of a deficit should I go on? I've taken my bulk too seriously and have since lost my abs. I'm eating at a ~250 to 300 over maintenance right now
>>35255385
>250 to 300 over maintenance
Honestly depends on how muscular you are and how fat you are. Most people do something like 10-25% of how much they burn daily but you could prob do more if you were legit fat.
The most important part in keeping muscles is making sure you still get all the nutrition and don't reduce your lifts. If you can't really add any weight thats fine, but if you are getting weaker (aside from like the first week or 2) then you are cutting by too much.
You only really have to think about keeping muscles when you get pretty lean.
Or if you're very big, but then you wouldn't be asking randoms.
>>35254628
HHNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG
>>35254532
I see you too have been browsing r/hardbodies by top posts ever, sir!
Glad to meet another denizen of reddit, I tip my hat to you!
>>35254532
Sauce?
>>35254532
minimal fat in your diet is required for minimal fat gain. nothing wrong with carbs, just don't let them be sugar. what the fuck is with people being retarded about carbs? where the fuck do you think energy comes from?
inb4 if you don't use energy it turns to fat. if you have energy, it's because you're using it. you can waste it, however.
>>35255269
where did the 400 pounds thing come from? i haven't been above 180 in my life haha
>>35255782
OP here, I tend to feel like weightlifting isn't carb depleting the way cycling, swimming, etc. is. So wouldn't high fat be more beneficial?
I'm pretty much fat kinda dude but always push my self, 5 days a week in gym lifting heavy as I can, this is my first year so I'm not that bothered about looking good, I would rather put the effort in the actually creating the muscle then being ripped.
question is, Is there some sort of golden rule / ratio on how much fat you can burn per day? I'm planning after the holidays because there's all the extra food and nights out, to do a six month cut with a lot more cardio, thinking swimming every other day, Is six months too much? or should I only do shorter month cuts at a time.
I can be very dedicated to the diet as 2011 I was otter swimmer mode but not big, I just don't want to fuck up gains.
>>35255782
>don't let your carbs be sugar
I assume you mean added sugars because the definition of carb is a chain of sugar(s). And even then, that doesn't matter because glycerin index doesn't matter. As long as you're not spiking your blood sugar with 100's of grams of simple sugars a day you, and your insulin, will be fine.
>>35254532
High lean proteins and simple carbs through out the day. High complex carbs and fats immediately after a workout.
Keeping simple carbs especially leafy greens will keep the nutrient count high while using the negative calorie method to reduce fast production
>>35255850
>As long as you're not spiking your blood sugar with 100's of grams of simple sugars a day
OP again, I legit do this most days but I'm still making lots of gains. Though I'm training 100% for strength now but still. And I used to eat really healthy, but I've got no desire to start again since my strength goes up every day despite my garbage diet.
>>35255782
>thinking dietary fat = body fat
What the fuck gives you that idea?
>>35254570
IG?
>>35255967
I think it's this
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>>35254596
Dem tittysprinkles!
>>35255258
This guy 100% knows his stuff.
Bulk/cut works - but not to the extent this website suggests. Of course, the more food you take in, the more of it can be converted to muscle (with logarithmic results). That said, if anyone here is truly interested in aesthetics, a bulk/cut is not the way to go. Eat a small surplus and lift normally, and go 100% by appearance in the mirror.
>>35254948
medifag here
this guy has the straightforward skinny
HOWEVER
Maximum muscle gains and minimal fat gains rely on separate processes so....
You're robbing yourself if you have a constant MO, you have to alternate 'phases'
7 days gain hard-gaining
3 days protein-modified fast
or, for simplicity, 2 weeks gain, 1 week cut.
yohimbine and ALCAR on the cuts, all the gainerzzz on the bulks.
sufficient fat is INCREDIBLY important by the way. Aside from being a precursor for all of the sterols (like testosterone), HGH is dependant upon these sterols as both cofactors and as influences on its secretion.
I'll do a rundown next week after my exams, but just know that a balanced diet with bi-phasic routines are your best bet, plus you can extend a burn phase if you need to cut a little more, or extend a bulk phase if you haven't put on much fat.
>>35254814
>disgusting form/10
>>35254797
Of course not. Fat is the easiest macronutrient to store as body fat by far. It's already chemically similar, it requires very little work to store. Carbohydrate has to be converted inefficiently through chemical process into fat before it can be stored, which doesn't happen very much anyway because most is converted into glycogen to fuel muscles, with excess mostly being burned off as heat
http://books.google.com/books?id=hrdRROeCI9IC&pg=PA263
>>35255997
Fucking A.
A perfect blend of sexy and cute.
>>35255997
MUHHH DICKKKKKKKKKK
>>35254736
long straight hair is pretty much the only valid female haircut, wtf are you talking about