Is bread (white, wheat, etc.) the shittiest food of all time?
It has a laughable amount of nutrition, a ridiculous and unneeded level of carbs that mostly just convert to fat.
How does any self-respecting person eat this crap?
it's easy to eat and it goes with a lot of stuff
fuck you
>>35250772
carbs are nutrients too, brah.
just as important as preotein... arguably more important than fats.
keep pretending that excluding a macronutrient from a lifestyle is a healthy thing to do.
i'll be over here laughing at your estrogen levels, as soon as your bodyfat% drops to a low amount, and your test plummets like a fucking stone because you are eating too much protein and not enough carbs
>>35250772
In my country all bread is from barley and is black like a niggers dick.
Healthy af
I honestly don't get it. Why is bread bad?
>>35250772
>le bread is bad maymay
get fucked
White bread is pretty shit, but whole wheat is just like any other whole grain food. Fairly nutritious, good source of fiber, lowers heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, and colon cancer risk, etc.
>a ridiculous and unneeded level of carbs that mostly just convert to fat.
That's not how the human body works. Momscience would have you believe that when you eat carbs and fats, your body turns the glucose into fats and stores it in your ass, and turns the fats into glucose to fuel your brain and muscles. Luckily nature isn't that stupid.
>>35250797
This
Black bread FTW
Stop eating white bread and sweetened bread.
>>35250797
Literally the healthiest, most gains friendly shit ever
>convert to fat
Only if you let it, scrub
I love me some muthafuckin sourdough
>>35250793
>arguably more important than fats.
Carbs aren't even an essential nutrient m8.
Bread a shit.
>>35250797
>This nigger burns his bread and claims its healthy
>>35250866
assuming you are getting enough EFAs to live which, spoiler alert, everyone fucking is, regardless of how shitty their diet is.....
..then carbs are more important than fats to maintaining a lean, muscular physique, and proper hormone function.
>>35250809
it isn't
faggots post stupid shit on /fit/
I'm on the Ancient Greek diet.
It's more of a lifestyle.
I want to look like a hercules statue.
So all I eat is meats, cheeses, and breads mostly.
All I drink is meads and water.
And I like to wrestle, farm, and have gay sex.
The gains are unreal.
>>35250797
>>35250840
>>35250836
In my country, black bread was made in the middle ages out of flour and dust because people were so poor, they had to eat that.
>>35250919
>ancient greek diet
>meat
>>35251029
>humans
>not eating meats
bread threads draw the chubby IIFYM tards like flies on shit
easiest troll on /4chan
>>35251089
>thinking eating meat was common in ancient greece specifically
aside from fish they rarely ate meat outside of special events
>>35250954
What country?
>>35250797
SCHLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
>>35250772
i realy dont see any alternative
>>35251263
Soy bread
>>35251211
>not counting fish as a meat
got to get rid of the "pool ring".
What kind of diet do anons recommend?
doing swimming, "pocket knife" movements and running but can't seems to get it shaked off.
>>35250772
I hope u bread fedora haters also don't eat rice since it's the same shit (99%carbs) bread even has more protein
>>35251328
You said "meats" with an s. Implying more than one kind of meat. Meaning not just fish.
>>35250772
The bread around here is usually a lot harder and darker and tastes really nice. I love it and I love how chewing it my whole life gave me a strong jaw.
What America calls "bread" however is a joke, obviously, just like every other "American version" of actual food.
>>35251376
You can't spot reduce fat.
>>35251464
The penis around here is usually a lot harder and darker and tastes really nice. I love it and I love how chewing it my whole life gave me a strong jaw.
What America calls "penis" however is a joke, obviously, just like every other "American version" of actual cocks.
>>35251376
>What kind of diet do anons recommend?
the kind where you eat less calories.
no but seriously, join the intermittent fasting masterrace.
>>35251211
ancient greeks are literally where the eat meat to build muscle broscience originated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding_supplement
>Athletes in ancient Greece were advised to consume large quantities of meat and wine
fun fact, consuming alcohol post-workout can essentially double levels of free-testosterone.
so they were probably on to something with the wine.
milo of croton supposedly ate 20lb of meat every day.
your average greek citizen might only eat 2-5lb of meat a year, ritualistically from sacrificial lamb or whatever.
but greek athletes ate meat literally every single day.
>>35251452
salmon and tuna are different meats, familia
Neolithic diet bitches. Wholegrains, vegetables, meat, fish, dairy no deep fried or processed food
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/neolithic-diet-11692.html
>>35250793
>carbs are nutrients too, brah.
>just as important as preotein... arguably more important than fats.
>keep pretending that excluding a macronutrient from a lifestyle is a healthy thing to do.
>i'll be over here laughing at your estrogen levels, as soon as your bodyfat% drops to a low amount, and your test plummets like a fucking stone because you are eating too much protein and not enough carb
not even a little bit.
processed grains and sugar are not natural food for humans.
only carbs i eat is a bit of fruit and leafy green vegetables.
my 3 lift total is around 1300 lbs.
im at 12-13% bodyfat
my test levels are plenty high, i jerk off 2x a day, fuck aroung 5 times in a typical week.
>>35251539
13% is a relatively high bodyfat (mid-bulk weight)
i was talking about if someone were cutting weight.
once that bf% is low, carbs become essential to maintain functioning hormones... and then jason blaha thinks you can't be lean and natural.
www.anabolicmen.com/carbohydrates-testosterone/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/415362-link-between-carbohydrates-muscle-growth/
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/planet27.htm
and if science isn't as appealing to you as broscience.,.. then i got you covered there too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg97GY2EkDA
alberto nunez also preaches eating at least 300g carbs a day
>>35251499
Hahahaha
>>35251499
This works too. America is shite either way.
>>35251521
Source for that alcohol testosterone-increase correlation?
>>35251464
This. Seriously American bread is so fucking disgusting. Try something like pic
>>35251499
lmao
I get this:
http://www.silverhillsbakery.ca/products/sprouted-bread/macks_flax_bread
>1g sugar per slice
>6g protein per slice
eat two pieces a day. Satisfies carb cravings while cutting.
>>35251499
nice
>>35251620
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23470309
quite a bit of ethanol was used, enough to get to a BAC of roughly .08 (1.09g ethanol per kg bodyweight)
>At 140-300 min postexercise, TT, FT, and free androgen index were significantly higher for EtOH (TT: 22.5 ± 12.5 nmol·L; FT: 40.5 ± 7.6 pmol·L) than for placebo (TT: 13.9 ± 6.8 nmol·L; FT: 22.7 ± 10.0 pmol·L)
>>35251604
>13% is a relatively high bodyfat
are you high. that is actual bodyfat, not /fit/ bullshit. prob more like 12 anyways but that is 5'10" 210lbs with visible abs and muscle striations in shoulders and vascularity
>>35251604
>and if science isn't as appealing to you as broscience.,.. then i got you covered there too..
im saying forget theories, boscience or whatever, i dont eat shit for carbs and my test is plenty high.
also alberto nunez claims to be natty and takes a fuckton of steriods
>>35251679
So is this the new thing?
>2016
>not adding alcohol to your post workout shake
>>35251731
5'10" and 210lbs with 13% bf is not natty. Why are you bragging with your high test if you are literally injecting it up your butt.
>>35251811
yes it is.
and wasnt bragging, pointing out that my natural test is pleeeenty high and i dont eat any grains, or hardly any rice or any empty carbs
>>35251679
Wow
>>35250772
>unneeded level of carbs
want to know how i know you are a twink?
>>35251499
U rly rekt him there m8 i give u that yer witty cun't innit
>>35251851
Your FFMI is over 26, so you surpassed the best bodybuilders. Good job my natty friend, the whole /fit/ community is proud of you.
>>35250866
nice b8
>>35251536
>Neolithic dairy
>>35251906
idk what any of that means.
i just know how much i weigh and what i lift and how many carbs i eat
>>35251906
>Your FFMI is over 26, so you surpassed the best bodybuilders.
what on earth are you talking about? that's nowhere near the best bodybuilders.
>>35250772
Looks at nutrition label:
>Around 220 kcal for two slices
>7g of protons
>Carbs for miles
What's the fucking problem?
>>35252229
I meant near the best natural bodybuilders since he is claiming he is natty.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7496846
>>35252285
idk, i think you spend too much time on the computer.
was just stating that low carbs dont do shit for test or estro or whatever you were saying.
dgaf if you believe me.
>>35251521
>but greek athletes ate meat literally every single day
That would have been top tier athletes with heavy sponsorship, because meat was expensive as fuck back then.
>>35251536
So basically don't eat like a murrican
>>35252540
>lol nerds spend too much time on computers
>I don't care if you believe me because I don't understand how evidence works anyway
>my god I love fat smelly women
>not as much as I love men though
Thats what you sound like
>>35252854
Top kek
>>35252170
Your argument is shit and you don't life real weight. Post pics to prove me wrong.
>i don't have time
>fuck you
>lolmad
>>35252271
40 grams of carbs for two fucking slices. Total disgrace.
That's an entire day's worth of carbs right there.
>>35250793
How many preotein?
>>35255205
Well if you're eating such a small amount of calories why the hell WOULDN'T you want as many carbs as possible? Thats like being mad your protein powder has more protein per cal then the other one.
>>35251532
>salmon and tuna are typical of an Ancient Greek diet and are two distinct kind of meatS
You've pushing this too far, friendo
>>35255205
>40g carbs
>an entire day's worth
Go have heart disease somewhere else, Keto
>>35250772
FUCK bread
>>35255205
healthy adults should be getting around 130g/day of carbs, you're hurting your body immensely by not getting enough.
>>35251275
kek
>>35251536
>Neolithic
>dairy
>grains
Finish your homework and stop shitposting kid. You have a big day at middleschool tomorrow.
>>35252674
>thinking that anon wants to look like an average Greek citizen and not a top tier Greek athlete
>>35255845
300g+ really
>>35255845
That's fucking retarded anon.
>>35255908
Neolithic, not paleolithic
>>35255908
Dairy has been around long before neolithics kid.
>>35255975
enjoy the diabeetus
>>35250772
>how into endurance sports
>>35256008
that's not how diabeetus works
>>35256008
You won't get diabetes from unrefined carbs as much as you won't get diabetes from sugars naturally occurring in fruit (no, not sugars extracted from fruits and added somewhere else, just sugars naturally occurring in fruit)
>>35255979
Why do you say that? AMDR for carbohydrate is 45-65% of calories.
>>35256001
Nope. You're Wrong. Nothing you can say can sway me otherwise
>>35256073
how about if i suck your dick?
no homo
What about homemade bread? I make my own with whole wheat flour and flax. No sugar.
>>35256342
Carbs are carbs
>>35256556
With varying affects on your body
>>35250793
>test plummets like a fucking stone because of to much protein and not enough carbs
topkek m8, i seriously hate dyel fuccbois like you. FAT is responsible for hormon production, not your shitty as carbs.
i eat carbs btw. but not in form of shitte bread loaded with simple carbs but with rice, oats and veggies.
>>35251893
fuck off brittbong
>>35256766
it's both.
carbs are arguably more important to test production than fats, unless you have crazy low bodyfat, and even then it's still up for debate.
>>35251604
>www.anabolicmen.com/carbohydrates-testosterone/
>http://www.livestrong.com/article/415362-link-between-carbohydrates-muscle-growth/
>http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/planet27.htm
those links weren't posted to be disregarded...
>>35251851
>e-statting when you don't know shit about dick
spoiler alert: you are very fat.
13% my ass... even if you were 13%, that isn't very low
low bodyfat is sub 10% by most non-normie standards.
https://symmetricstrength.com/calculator/ideal_bodyweight
189lb at 12% bodyfat is the natty limit for someone 5'10
you got 20lb of fat on top of that, assuming your musculature is at the natural limit, which it is not.
feel free to post pics of your fat, delusional self.
greg o'gallagher still knows best.
What gains a man more weight per calorie... bread? or butter?
>>35252540
>low carbs dont do shit for test
according to the anecdotal evidence of someone too dumb to properly lie about his weight/bodyfat%?
thanks, guy.
i think i will side with the scientists on this one, though.
>>35255214
exactly 3 preoteins every day.
this is optimum for gains.
>>35255270
technically is accurate, though.
pedantic? sure
misleading? kinda
stupid? absolutely
incorrect? ...i don't think so
>>35256766
literally how is rice better than bread?
>>35256835
>gains more weight per calorie
that... isn't how weight gain works.
that is literally like asking if a pound of rocks is heavier than a pound of water.
>Mfw I learned the other day that American bread has fucking sugar in it
jesus christ you people wonder why there's an obesity epidemic
>>35256856
>yfw all bread has sugar in it
what the fuck did you think the yeast was eating?
there are sugars in the grains, fucktard.
and 99% of bread recipes (regardless of country of origin) call for some form of sugar or molasses or something.
>mfw i learned the other day that american milk has water in it
when will they ever learn?
>>35256869
>Americans literally buy diluted milk-water instead of actual milk
holy shit anon your country is fucked
>>35256869
Mass-produced bread in the western world, outside of the US, almost never has added sugar.
Bread is a peasant food, designed to provide calories cheaply in a lifestyle that has a high energy expenditure due to labour.
It's not meant to be healthy, it's meant to give you enough energy when you can't afford actual food.
Two of the example peasant diets include half their daily calorie intake from bread.
http://people.eku.edu/resorc/Medieval_peasant_diet.htm
>>35256895
cite me a recipe.
since precisely 0% of recipes are mass-produced.
can be a european or african recipe or whatever.
idgaf.
it all has sugar in it.
>>35256855
That's what the health class textbook said back when I was in school. I am looking for anecdotes. They're more believeable. Starch calorie vs Fat calorie.
Wholemeal bread is just the same as rice or any other complex carb, assuming you're getting the real thing, and not some shit white bread with caramel food colouring.
Carbs are the easiest and best way to give an active person the energy they need to workout to maximum efficiency, it's the body's preferred way to do it. That being said, the more complex the better is my opinion, I don't even really like eating sugars post workout
>>35256879
you mean skim milk?
all of the preoteins none of the SFAs
shit is bomb as fuck for making shakes, tbhfam
>>35256899
>dat vegan Sample Diet 2 with 230 grams of protein
>>35256915
>that is what the laws of physics say
>that is what literally all of mainstream academic nutritional science says
>but can i get some broscience instead?
>it's more believable
fucking kill yourself
you cannot get any more than a kilocalorie's worth of energy from a kilocalorie's worth of food
"which is more, 10 times 10, or 100 times 1? please don't tell me they are equal, that answer isn't believable to me"
>>35250772
>Is bread (white, wheat, etc.) the shittiest food of all time?
No. Wheat pretty much made America. It's an excellent source of complex carbohydrates and protein.
Your great grandfather flourished with bread.
>It has a laughable amount of nutrition, a ridiculous and unneeded level of carbs that mostly just convert to fat.
Only if you're a lazy, disgusting fuck who overeats. That describes at least 60% of the modern population.
>How does any self-respecting person eat this crap?
Mostly by actually understanding its role in my varied diet.
>>35256908
>it all has sugar in it.
No, all actual bread here has no added sugars (note: ADDED).
>>35256916
wholemeal bread is marginally better, it's hardly worth considering the differences between the two types of breads though.
white bread is just as good as any other bread, the """complex""" carbohydrate meme is getting beyond ridiculous.
>>35256915
>anecdotes. They're more believeable.
here is my anecdote.
i ate 1 cal of fat, and saw aliens.
they abducted me and told me that i will gain weight because fat makes you fat.
the next day i ate 1 cal carbs, and went walking into the woods. met bigfoot.. he was riding a unicorn.
he informed that carbs make you skinny, because it is just hydrated carbon, and so are humans, therefore carbs is humans too.
since then i have eaten nothing but carbs and lost ALL the weight.
i hope my anecdote is useful and more believable than scientific fact
>>35256908
Just checked my commercial bread, no added sugar m8.
>>35256939
again, cite me a fucking recipe.
you can't and you won't because you are wrong.
>>35256917
No anon. That's not what he means.
>>35256944
>>35256833
>this fatass DYEL neckbeard from reddit talking about bodyfat %
12-13% is low for everyday life.
7-10% is for photoshoots and contests, nobody's on it 24/7 even on copious amounts of steroids, growth, whatever.
>>35250793
Carbs are not "arguably more important than fat" you ignorant moron.
You can build a respectable and healthy physique in the complete absence of carbs. The body can easily produce all the glucose it needs from excess protein.
Without fats you would fail to build muscle, and be extremely unhealthy if not dead.
On topic, I'm not sure if bread is worse than something like mcdonalds fries, but of all the "mainstream" foods that people think aren't unhealthy, it is definitely the worst and most nutritionally useless.
>>35256970
I am below 10% year round, and I use 200mg test week, no other drugs. It really isn't hard at all, in fact millions of people in poorer countries stay that lean. It only seems hard for someone who eats a typical westernised processed diet and for whom merely seeing abs is an epic struggle.
>>35256964
http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/carbs_versus.html
>>35256908
Worked in a industrial bakery in my country bro. No sugar or other additives where I worked.
>>35256997
Okay? That's agreeing with me
>Complex carbohydrates may be referred to as dietary starch and are made of sugar molecules strung together like a necklace or branched like a coil. They are often rich in fiber, thus satisfying and health promoting. Complex carbohydrates are commonly found in whole plant foods and, therefore, are also often high in vitamins and minerals.
>>35256908
http://www.schweizerbrot.ch/brotgenuss/brot-backen.html
>>35256979
Protein intake tends to get all of the attention when it comes to building muscle mass, but that focus is a bit misguided. A high protein intake is actually more important when dieting for fat loss (it helps prevent muscle loss) than when dieting for muscle gain. The body utilizes ingested protein much more efficiently when it isn’t trying to make up an energy deficit. 1g protein per pound of lean body mass is a more than sufficient protein intake when bulking.
Carbohydrates however are critical for two reasons:
> Exercise Fuel
> Activate the mTOR Signaling Pathway
Strength training burns primarily carbohydrate as a fuel source. Having an adequate carbohydrate intake ensures that your muscles are capable of maximum power production and sustaining that production through the entirety of your workout. Fatigue due to lack of fuel (hitting the wall so to speak) is not positive fatigue for muscle gain!
There is a whole host of various reactions and signal chains that need to occur for the body to begin to grow larger muscles, but none is more important than the mTOR signal pathway. When activated it tells the body to use ingested nutrients to grow larger (in the case of insulin resistant individuals it is TOO effective which makes fat gain a bit too easy). There are quite a few things that interact to activate the pathway, but insulin plays a major role. Producing insulin is the bodies’ response to ingested carbohydrate (and protein to a degree, though not as strongly).
As a bare minimum a good bulking diet should include a moderate carbohydrate intake (~40% of total calories). When bulking my carbohydrate intake is in the area of 50-60% of total calories.
Source: http://strengthunbound.com/bulking-complete-guide-for-beginners/
>>35256993
post pic so we can laugh at your delusion please
>>35250772
It makes a great meat trap.
>not eating wholemeal bread sandwiches with chicken as breakfast
You are not gonna make it, breh.
>>35257029
> he doesn't eat weetbix for brekky
laughing at you desu
>>35256908
http://germanfood.about.com/od/sourdoughs/r/Black-Forest-Bread.htm
http://germanfood.about.com/od/bread/r/bauernbrot.htm
>>35256908
just checked
nope
>>35256908
http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/2784/focaccia.aspx?o_is=Hub_TopRecipe_1
http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/1238/ciabatta.aspx?o_is=LV
>>35257040
I'm skelly so i need more carbs.
>>35256964
Eating fats and protein with a meal, which you should, pretty much negates the sharp spike and drop of high GI foods. GI is a measure based on an empty stomach as well, which isn't really the case in real life. I try to stick to complex carbs anyway though
>>35256908
http://clairekcreations.com/2012/09/how-to-make-turkish-bread/
>>35256908
BTFO
T
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>>35256908
http://www.breadexperience.com/delicious-finnish-full-rye-bread/
>doesn't eat rye bread
>it's 2015 cmon
>>35250793
6/10
>>35256908
>we put sugar in every shit
>even in bread
>this means the whole world does it
>>35257068
If anything eating fats and protein with simple carbs makes the effects of simple carbs worse.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/if-white-rice-is-linked-to-diabetes-what-about-china/
Glucose and insulin response isn't the only difference though.
Now here's what i don't get,
How is whole grain wheat bread so much better than white bread?
The wheat's bran makes only like what? 10% of the grain's weight?
So whenever you're eating whole wheat bread 90%~ of it is just white flour...
What's the point? how can something deemed to be nutritionally garbage is suddenly good when adding 10% weight with the wheat bran?
>>35257164
Removing the fiber in the bran and germ removes your body's ability to control the amount of glucose it's getting at one time, and removing the bran and germ removes the antioxidants, other phytochemicals, and nutrients like magnesium that allow you to safely digest the starch without stressing your system, and that give the health benefits.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0733521007001166
>The majority of phytochemicals of whole grains that are beneficial for health are present in the bran/germ fraction. In whole wheat flour, the bran/germ fraction contributed 83% of total phenolic content, 79% of total flavonoid content, 78% of total zeaxanthin, 51% of total lutein, and 42% of total β-cryptoxanthin. The bran/germ fraction of whole wheat may therefore impart greater health benefits when consumed as part of a diet, and help reduce the risk of chronic diseases
The endosperm is good for calories but the bran and germ are important for health.
>>35251464
>What America calls "bread" however is a joke, obviously, just like every other "American version" of actual food.
this desu
>adding sugar to bread
>adding sugar to sauces
>they probably even add sugar to mustard
>>35256899
>Bread is a peasant food, designed to provide calories cheaply in a lifestyle that has a high energy expenditure due to labour.
That's what I've always said, but people don't want to believe
>>35250772
It tastes great breh. Can't eat anything without it.
>>35257121
> posts uncited meme shit that looks like a 13 year olds project
>>35250772
Why do you Americans have such a shitty taste?
Best bread, pic related.
>>35256847
>incorrect? ...i don't think so
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are no salmons in the Mediterranean sea, and tuna isn't typical of Greece - mackerel, maybe. So it's technically inaccurate and incorrect, other than "misleading" (at best!) on the "meats" part.
