I know my goal is achievable natty and that I will need to use to gear.
Everyone says stuff like "you should train for at least 5 years before using steroids" but no one ever gives a convincing reason why.
Imagine a guy who has trained for 10 years total. 5 years naturally and another 5 years enhanced. Then imagine a guy who has trained enhanced for the entire 10 years. Won't the second guy have made far more progress?
>>35129492
>I know my goal is achievable natty and that I will need to use to gear.
Delete this post and try again in an hour.
>>35129492
>I know my goal is achievable natty and that I will need to use to gear.
Typo. That's supposed to say "unachievable natty".
>>35129492
>I know my goal is achievable natty and that I will NEED to use to gear.
>>35129492
>>35129503
Yeah, I know. That was a typo.
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>>35129528
TOP TIT DELIVERER
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Roids are for when you've already worked everything out. If you start out roiding, you will be absolutely laughable as you won't have diet, or a linear program on lock down right out of the gates.
>>35129528
TOP COCK EXPANSION PACK
>>35129528
>dangly tit deliverer
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
LONG MEME SUCKER
There is no good reason, no. It's just people assuming that if you're new to lifting, you won't know what you're doing and you will waste the roids.
Go ahead and do it if you think you know what you're doing.
>>35129492
Because you don't know what the fuck you're doing
>>35129528
HARD BALLSACK WEEABOO
>>35129492
after a few years roids will increase your gains to match your noob gains, but roids will not accelerate your noob gains too some super noob gains. Taking roids and accepting the side effects before there is any appreciable upside is foolish.
>>35129528
Tropical Tit Smasher
>>35129528
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>>35129492
1)everyone will laugh you
2) you are likely to develope severe imbalances when you start roiding and you don't know how to train properly
3)if you're a fatty you will get worse estrogen based side effects ie)gyno because adipose tissue converts test to estrogen
4)you will be stronger/more aesthetic if you hit your natty limit first, will have more muscle maturity and definition
>>35129528
HARD OGRE-FUCKER
Well if you train naturally first, you will be using less gear to reach your goal, less gear less money less sides, ect. Plus you will know how to train for yourself and how to eat properly and gear will just be a tool to help you advance rather than some shortcut.
>>35129528
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>>35129528
> LONG ASS CREAMPIE
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>>35129528
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>>35129544
Basically this. You'll just be a huge fat guy that can repair muscle faster.
>>35129528
CRANKY DONG-SMASHER
>>35129492
>nah brah it's not a shortcut at all
OP I knew from the first time I touched a weight I'd only settle for a Schwarzenegger physique like you.
So I could train for 5 years with my natural test (very fucking little) or I could just roid the whole way.
I chose the second option and I looked great after a year.
There were only benefits. Its just testosterone - It doesn't care if you're already big when you start.
Its just a byproduct of the bodybuilding culture. There is no reason not to start on 250mg/week the first day you get in the gym (assuming you know what you're doing)
People always say 'Its a waste you won't know how to train or eat'. Thats bullshit, eating and training is really uncomplicated stuff.
>>35129528
>Nasty Pussy Smasher
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>>35129528
Dangly Pussy Massacre
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>>35129528
>NASTY DICKSMASHER
>>35129858
>Thats bullshit, eating and training is really uncomplicated stuff.
I don't think so Tim.
>>35129719
this
>>35129528
Tropical scrotum sucker.
>>35129719
1) Who cares?
2) I have a coach so the training is already taken care of.
3) I'm not fat
4) Muscle maturity sounds like total bro science. Definition is just the result of being lean.
>>35129528
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>>35130083
how old are you, what's your height and weight? do you currently lift and if so, for how long have you been lifting?
>>35129492
So that you know what you're doing. Learn how to drive before you slap a turbo on the bitch and buy race gas.
That said, I suspect a lot of that sentiment comes from guys who just want to think that they paid their dues before hopping on the gain train, hence the random "Don't do it until you've been training for X, lift Y, and have a bodyfat percentage of Z."
>>35129528
20 Minute Scrotum Deliverer.
>>35130184
Age: 22 years
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 165 lbs
Been lifting for 1 year.
Big three numbers:
345 lbs squat
205 lbs bench
415 lbs deadlift
>>35129528
Cranky anus expander
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>>35129492
because you shouldn't use gear at all lol
mostly because you're probably in your teens/early 20s and you're stupid as fuck.
so we say wait 10 years because undoubtedly your priorities & life experience will 100% change once you hit your mid 20s and you'll realise the idea of taking anabolics is actually kind of fucking stupid.
in short: you're a child, you shut your mouth and listen when adults who know better than you tell you to wait.
we're not doing it because we're trying to piss you off, we're doing it because we literally have been there and know more than you about life.
>>35129719
I didn't know Numbers 3. Thanks.
>>35130224
oh common you're 5'8 bro.
That's the IDEAL height for aesthetic muscles. It wouldn't hurt to train really hard for the next 2-3 years, 1 lifting is nothing at all.
The main problem with roids is once you try them, there is no going back. You'll always feel like like shit whenever you're OFF roids, so you'll end up roiding for the rest of your life and wake up one day at 43 y-o with a fucked up liver and other health issues
Are you doing it for the girls or what?
If so, just work on being lean and being more social/approaching ladies.
Anyway it's your decision but I think it's retarded to roid after only 1 year.
>>35130351
I'm doing it for powerlifting. I want to total 2000 lbs without becoming a fat fuck.
>>35130351
>roiding for girls
lmao is that a thing?
>>35129528
PRAISE BE DONG
>>35130477
are you kidding me? It's the main reason young men roid
>>35129858
>first day in the gym
>assuming you know what you're doing
>>35129528
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>>35129528
>nasty spaghetti deliverer
>>35129528
Nasty Scrotum Massacre.
>>35129492
>I need PEDs to progress
Smh OP, that's the worst reason to get test for noob gainz.
>>35131622
Typo in my OP.
What I meant is that my goal is impossible to achieve naturally.
>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
Dangly Anus Blaster
>>35129528
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>>35129528
TOP PUSSY SMASHER
Why do young guys get on gear? Before 25 you should have enough T to get a lot of gains
>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129719
You're forgetting that tendons aren't ready to take extra load compared to muscles.
been taking my roommates gear since he's been away for a week and a half on a trip
have yet to workout since i've been really busy but can already feel the progress
>>35129528
>Kinky Pussy Creampie.
Is that really kinky doe
What happens to your muscles when you quit roiding?
>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
Hard anusblaster. Pretty true story brehs. I've blasted some anuses pretty hard in my time
>>35129528
Dangley dick smasher? Sounds faggy.
>>35129492
I think there are 4 potential problems with going that route...
#1 The obvious one. Health issues. You're going to have to be on for the rest of your life or at least for as long as you want to look like this. The more gear you're on and the longer you're on, the greater the side-effects and risks.
I know A LOT of people who're on the juice. Some of them do fine, some of them not so much. I have seen gyno and cystic acne and impotence. Just so you know. There is a risk. Also for more lesser known exotic side-effects such as Alzheimers.
#2 You're focusing too much on the end-goal. If you do not learn to enjoy the journey as much as the destination, I promise you, you WILL lose motivation from time to time. And when motivation goes, so does your gains. Seen it time and time again.
#3 You're relying on the chemicals too much. You never learn to train and eat properly, which means you won't get the full benefit from the gear and will need to take more to get where you want to be. More gear once again means more health issues.
#4 You're young (at least I'm betting you are). You will probably ignore this one, but your priorities and goals are likely to change a bit as you grow older. Right now you may want to be swole as hell, but in 4 years you may not care. Why not start out conservatively, make the gains you can naturally and see how you like it. You will easily make good gains for a couple of years. If you still want to be unaturally big after a couple of years, be my guest and jump on and see how it goes. Start out with a little though to test your tolerance (and avoid stretch marks everywhere).
And then there are all the bullshit reasons that are mostly personal opinions, such as "you're cheating" and shit. It is what it is.
>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
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>>35129528
INCREDIBLE DONG DELIVERER
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