does alcohol actually make muscles not grow/beome weaker, or is that just a meme?
Can it be avoided if you make sure to drink lots of water when you drink?
ex-alcoholic here and 7-years lifting
There are absolutely no benefits in drinking alcohol (besides social gains), and no matter what you do, you will never reach your true potential if you drink alcohol on a regular basis.
Personally, I go out once a week and have a few shots of liquor; I stay sober for the rest of the week.
Also, beer will give you gyno if you drink too many
>>35048005
>ex-alcoholic
>drink alcohol once a week usually
Pick one you giant faggot in denial
>>35048005
im not asking if it's beneficial, i'm asking if it is significantly detrimental
say drinking once a week, liquor, maybe a pint's worth or less on friday. how bad is that?
>>35048031
>pint of liquor
yes that would be detrimental, anon. but you have to live your life, too.
>>35048099
yes but
>once a week
if you give your body 7 days to recover with no alcohol, just how bad can one night of drinking really be?
>>35048027
I used to drink 6-10 beers every single night, now I'm down to 4 shots of Jack Daniel's per week, and that is when I do go out to a bar. I have no urge to drink anymore, therefore I'm no longer an alcoholic.
>>35048031
In your case, no it's not that bad. Make sure you eat healthy and workout hard and you won't have any problems getting aesthetics and gains. Don't forget to drink a lot of water before going to bed so you're not hungover and can still have a decent workout the next day
>>35048122
i binge drink heavily once or twice a week and it's not too bad for me. but i am fairly young. i still recover well, but not as well as i used to. alcohol WILL begin to take a toll on your body. and a pint of LIQUOR is A LOT of alcohol in one sitting.
if i continue to do that into my 50s i will probably start developing cancers.
>>35048186
its not really a lot for me, im a 215 pound 5'7er with a good bit of muscle mass and a good bit of fat. the only time i ever had a hangover was on a whole 750ml vodka..
im 18
>>35048203
yea fuck it you're still young so go have fun. your hangovers won't begin to become crippling until 23-25, so enjoy the next 5-6 years of (relatively) consequence-free drinking
you're pretty fat though so cut that shit out. 5'7" and 215lbs is OBESE.
>>35048245
kek i know, to get lean and vascular i have to go down to 175ish. that's what i'm gonna be doing as soon as 2016 hits..
>>35048259
or you can start tomorrow by not eating like shit. you sound like every other OBESE person. "i'll start on New Years." and then fail. you're just like my dad. he has two fake hips and can't walk. at age 53. enjoy your deteriorating life.
you're only 18 years old and you're already fuckin' OBESE. incredible.
>>35048302
wow fuck off faggot, i'm taking a month to eat at maintenance and solidify my strength, then going into the cut in january.
you know bmi doesnt take muscle into account, right? when i'm lean at 175 i should look pretty impressive for my height
>>35048320
Sorry bro but you're not going to make it.
>>35048360
just for you, 7 or 8 months from now, i'm going to come back and post a thread with my cut results and the haters like you will all be BTFO, It will be absolute glory
>>35048320
lmao naw dude at 5'7" 215lbs you are FAT and OBESE. go pretend you're some all-star lineman though kiddo (they're fat too anyways).
you are young enough to change, though. good luck.
>>35048390
again, i can't wait to blow you the fuck out once i'm done with my cut and look better than 80% of the people who post here
>>35048399
>>35048399
>>35048416
you'll see, you smug faggot. I'll show all of you. All I need is some time.
thanks /fit/ for reinvigorating my motivation
>>35048433
>a PINT of LIQUOR in a single night
>5'7" 215lbs
>i-i have to s-solidify my muscle before i lose weight first!
>i-i'm going to start on new years!
can't make this shit up
fyi you should start losing weight today. obesity is no joke.
but seriously i hope you make it, bro. good luck.
>>35047936
I was updating my routine at the PT desk (the only place where you can find a pencil in the gym), actually writing down my new PR for a few exercises (yes I keep an updated version on the tablet/smartphone too but I prefer not to carry them in the gym). Next to me a PT was writing down a diet to an ottermode youngster
>no alcohol
>no alcohol at all, not even beer
(the 18-something faggot stares at him)
>no fries
>no cheese
(I start to look at him as well)
>yoghurt only if Greek
>no soda
>no red meat
>no milk
(me and the youngster look each other, I was smirking)
>poultry no more than once a week
>small fish (sardines, mackerel) everyday
>broccoli
>salads
>legumes
>nuts, cashews, almonds
(he didn't mention how to activate them)
>no alcohol
>if you drink alcohol you're wasting your time
>sleep at least 6 hours straight everyday
>rice
The look of the teen fegget was priceless
>>35048489
why would it not make sense to lift t maintenance for little bit before cutting?
are you supposed to just go from a surplus to a deficit in one day? that seems retarded
really, why do you think i should not lift at maintenance for a month, im curious
>>35048504
because you have managed to become clinically OBESE at the age of 18.
>>35048504
Is this you? >>35048203
>im a 215 pound 5'7er
If so, you're not bulking nor striving to "eat at maintenance", you're just making up silly excuses to remain obese.
>>35048557
Kek. He got u gud mang.
>>35048547
>>35048557
again, the bmi does not calculate for muscle mass, i feel like it would be stupid to jump right into a deficit without going down to it in steps, feel like i would lose gains that way
BY ALL MEANS i WILL be shredded in the summer, so i dont know what you fags are getting all assmad about
>>35048504
Just start dieting tomorrow you fat fuck, stop being in denial about your problem, be a man and lose some weight.
>>35048578
>>35048571
I see, it's yet another baitful unironical shitposting
>>35048578
>im gonna go from clinically obese to shredded in six months of lifting, i SWEAR!
>>35048608
not baiting, nor shitposting
still, nobody has actually given me a reason why it would be wrong to lift at maintenance for one month.
i really think its funny that you people are getting so mad at this
you think i want to just be fat forever and not give a fuck, i dont, but i dont want to lose any muscle mass on this cut either so i feel like it would be smarter to ease into a deficit
and again, i bet i'll just get people insulting me and not giving any reasons or explanations
>>35048637
Please do, please continue to maintain your fabulous mass of muscles for another month, sprouting pints of liquor on your skin to moisturise it. It would be so outrageously dangerous if you didn't maintain your mountain of muscles covered by a thinly veil of fat for a month. I'd suggest two, actually; you'll still have plenty of time to become fucking shredded.
>>35048637
the reason is because you are clinically OBESE and you need to lose weight lmao. this is not some "bulk" you are on. no lifter enters the realm of OBESITY in order to "gain muscle mass."
>>35048637
>Be me
>Be a fatty
>Start eating virtually nothing and drinking heavy like 3-4 days a week
>Estimated 800 calories from booze + the food I'd eat that day, all of which I'd aim to total to 1500-1700
>tfw I lost 50 pounds by getting smashed
>>35048686
im about 25%. if you think its impossible to go from 25% to 10% in around 6 months, then you're the one who will never make it.
>>35048701
>25% bf
>5'7" 215lbs
it's not even funny
I start to suspect you suffer from some kind of mental retardation... that, or you've just derailed a thread for trolling purposes
You don't have 25% bf, kid.
>>35048736
then why did everyone in the thread i posted on the bodybuilding forums say between 20-30?
fuck off dude, i know my bodyfat and i know i'll look good at 175lbs which it will take me around 6 months to get to. i have been lifting already for over 3 years, i have the muscle mass, that's the part that you can't seem to grasp. i have it, i just have to cut down to it. im not planning on being some calvin klein looking faggot
>>35048770
>then why did everyone in the thread i posted on the bodybuilding forums say between 20-30?
Because that never happened.
>>35048778
>LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!
>I DONT WANT IT TO BE TRUE!!
lmao, okay pal.
>>35048736
it's a fat, obese 18yo kid in denial because he played football for a couple years so he thinks he's strong and shit.
he honestly thinks he can go from obese to "absolutely shredded" in six months but wants to wait until new years day to start. but he needs to consume a pint of liquor while he's at it.
>>35048770
>i have the muscle, guys, i SWEAR!
you are obese. come to terms with that designation, OP. you are OBESE. that word should scare the shit out of you.
>>35048815
well it doesnt because i know what bodyfat% im at and how long it will take me to get to my goal of 10%, and that time is 6 months, and that weight will be 170-175.
get fucked, haters.
>>35048838
show us and we'll tell you if you're 25% bf
Milo of Croton used to drink 18 pints of wine a day so it can't be that bad
>>35048838
>im going from >30% bf to 10% bf in six months while maintaining all of my muscle mass and drinking a pint of liquor in a single night guys!
>>35048856
nah, there's already a strong bias against me here, i'm just going to get b8ers saying 35% and shit to try to throw me off, but in my big thread on the misc, people were telling me 25%.
>>35048869
not over 30, i am 25% bodyfat, and that was from guys on the bodybuilding forums with good looking avis.
i know my bf%, you just dont want it to be true because it means i have more lean body mass than you.
again, get fucked.
>>35048899
if you're actually 25% then you shouldnt be afraid of posting a picture
>>35048899
>>35047936
In my opinion one of the biggest problems with heavy drinking is that it causes less restful sleep. If you go to the gym after work on Friday then go get tanked that night, you will probably not recover as well as you would have without drinking. Practice moderation.
>>35048899
Just because one person said you were 25% on the internet doesn't make it true
Also have fun staying so strong on babbys first cut
>>35048899
>>35048792
>>35048770
Link the thread were the guys @ bodybuilding forum told that a 170 cm tall manlet, weighting 97.5 kg, has a 25% bf. Or post an image of yourself. I'm curious to see a 170cm manlet with 25% bf @ 97.5 kg.
You won't link anything and you won't post an image that ain't le meme frog, because you're a fucking troll. Or a retard. Or a faggot in denial.
It doesn't really matter.
>>35048947
>lanklet mad at the fact that a manlet who drinks weekly is bigger and stronger than him
>does mental gymnastics (i.e cant POSSIBLY be 25%, he MUST be abhorringly fat if he weighs more than me!!) to avoid addressing it
Oh man, just got here, thread is hilarious thanks op. You're a fatass with unrealistic expectations and little to no knowledge. You have no fucking clue how things will go for you. Guess what your body doesn't function the same at 15% as it does at 30%.
You'll learn eventually. Fuck this is gonna be good, keep us updated man.
>>35048977
>>35048770
I'm above 20% and I'm 5'9 78kg
Skinny fat af but strong for my looks
>>35048975
not going to link the thread because i will be doxxed by the username, and i will not post an image because all i will get are trolls
you're just going to have to take my word for it. the lowest estimate i got was 20%, and the highest was 28%
>>35049037
>>35049034
>im strong for an obese 18yo who drinks pints of liquor and is going to start losing weight for new years!
>>35049037
Kekkkkkkk
You even SOUND fat
Good luck getting shredded, hambeast
>>35049037
Post the pic man, worst comes to worst you just have to close the thread..
>>35049037
In that case your fat must be on your organs if it doesn't show in images. I'm 6'3 and 200lb, not stacked or anything but not lanky. You are fat if you weigh more than me at your height
>>35049037
>being so deluded that the truth is 'trolling'
Have you tried actually having your body fat tested or would that risk you having to face some facts?
ahhh fuck it, letsgoletsgo
my asshole is ready. this was the image where they all said 20-30%
im aware of the gyno
>>35047936
I personally don't enjoy alcohol so I wouldn't be able to find out
>>35049037
Nobody would estimate between 20 to 28 on a 170 cm tall 18 yrs old faggot weighting almost 100 kg.
There's a remote (really remote) chance that you've been trolled and you're too retarded to understand that, but my bet is that you're a 12 yo kid shitposting on a korean average qtpie appreciation imageboard.
>>35049118
Take a proper photo
Can't see shit captain
>>35049037
>I won't post an image of my mere body b-because y-you'd be making fun of me
fuck off already
>>35049118
That file name. Why did you become fucking fat in 2 years? And there's clearly not a lot of muscle underneath the blubber.
>>35049118
>that's less than 30%
No.
>>35049175
well the bodybuilding.com guys would disagree with you, they all thought i made solid mass gain. and not a single one said over 30%
>>35047936
Drinking is good for you.
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.ca/2013/09/were-killing-these-shots-like-rip-and.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.ca/2013/11/killin-these-shots-like-rip-part-2.html
>>35048124
sounds like you were a pussy
I used to drink 15 beers a day on the weekend I'd easily get into 30 beers
I cut down to nothing but now if I drink I still go for about 20 or so drinks for the night.
Also I'm ripped
>>35049118
>mybulk.png
that's not a bulk, you're just a fat kid who weightlifts and eats too much as uses "bulking" as an excuse for his poor diet and lack of self-restraint. best of luck though regardless. you are an adult now. you can do this. im a belieber.
>>35049185
Of course you will grow when you're still in puberty.
>and not a single one said over 30%
But you're still obese. Why would you even drink alcohol? You're not getting any girls with that body.
>>35049222
but do you still deny that i will cut up and look good in 6 months? i have a feeling you thought i was a lot fatter
>>35049185
>well the bodybuilding.com guys would disagree with you
I don't think so.
>>35049232
You CAN lose the fat in 6 months but you look like a guy who WONT do it. Besides, you're probably gonna lose what tiny amount of muscle mass you have by doing it.
>>35047936
Drinking socially or on a weekend basis will probably not hurt you.
Alcoholics though suffer generally because of dehydration and kidneys that aren't optimally working due to constant cleansing of the poisonous aspects of most liquor.
If you drink a beer or two a night, you'll be fine.
>>35049232
no. i do not think that you will be 10%bf in six months while still weighing 175lbs at your height.
you look like my 53yo dad at the ripe age of 18. you're obese. dont ever get like that again. it's not good for you. good luck. lose the weight and keep it off for the rest of your life.
>>35049252
nah, im going to keep my protein nice and high and lift in 5 reps. any muscle lost will bounce right back as soon as i stop cutting. and i DO have good LBM for my height being natty and shit, dont even try to bullshit me there, a defined physique at 170-175 is damned good for my height.
you just dont want me to make it
>>35049118
Resolution is incredibly important for determining body fat. You took a photo showing 25% of your body at a low resolution. Impossible to judge bodyfat.
I mean your photo is shit, you're trying to be misleading so you get the answers you want not the truth. You weren't lean to start with you shouldn't of bulked aggresively.
Your chest and core look thick at first glance but shoulders and arms reveal that to be bullshit, and youre using your hands to shape your gut.
Fuck man you irritate me.
>>35049295
>using you hands to shape your gut
lol what? my hands are in fists and they're on my hips
grasping at straws, aren't we?
>>35049310
>>35049295
oh no the fists was a different pic sorry. but nah, the hands are just resting there lol
>>35049280
Not who you responded to. You are delusional. Just outright delusional there is no other word for it. You have thrown reality completely to the wayside because you cannot handle it.
You're looking at things the wrong way, the shittier your starting place, the more progress you get to enjoy making, it's when you're there that it sucks you've got no where to go.
> a defined physique at 170-175 is damned good for my height
I'm not trying to hate anon, that statement is true, but that is not what you will have when you cut down. Not this time.
>>35049280
>i DO have good LBM for my height being natty and shit
>being natty and shit
Are you trolling, friend? I fucking had more muscle mass than that before I started going to a gym
>>35049323
literally everyone in the bb.com thread said shit like "you'll look like a kunt at 175" and stuff like thaat, you're telling me a thread full of miscers giving me support and telling me good job were all trolling me?
lmao, im going to the gym. fuck all you fags, i'll be back to /fit/ when my cut is over and post a thread just for you guys
peace out
>>35048122
Don't make excuses or try to justify it. Alcohol is directly detrimental to gains. However, it is a necessary social lubricant in almost all aspects of interaction. You have to decide what you want.
I pick alcohol, because I value getting laid over being autistic.
>>35049339
>implying we haven't forgot about your existence by the end of this day
God speed with the cut, fatso. But you will never look impressive.
>>35049339
Man i'm not telling you shit about miscers, I'm saying that you won't cut 40# and lose no mass and that you have more then 40# to lose to be shredded.
I hope you are a sick shredded cunt at 175 in 6 months. Make me eat my shit anon.
>>35049359
Did you miss that he is an obese whale? He is not gonna get laid anyway
>>35049310
Post a proper pic. No bullshit angle, no shitty resolution and cropping
I guarantee that pic is making you look better than you do - a full torso relaxed pic would undoubtedly reveal you for the embarrassing fatty you are
Start the diet
>>35049339
Yeah because that shitty photo doesn't show how heavy you actually are
Best of luck, lardass
>>35049339
you're obese
>>35049339
>lmao, im going to the gym. fuck all you fags
I hope you are gonna use the threadmill, my young fat creature.
And I pray that you do not get a heart attack doing you obligatory cardio.
Bless your lard engulfed soul.
>>35048245
not the person you replied to, but im 25, and no shit, hangovers have pretty much disappeared for me even though I will still get just as trashed as I did as teen/early 20s
This is the opposite of what I thought would happen.
Post yfw some fat as fuck 18 year old kid talk shit to you on the internet
>>35049429
27 here. damn, i wake up shaking some days after a hard binge now. but those are when i have like 20-25 drinks in a night.
>>35049393
you're right but you're wrong about alcohol in general and I bet I have a better body than you and that kid both even though my parents would classify me as an alcoholic.
>>35048245
hang overs kill me, I used to never get them at all now at 24 after a heavy night my body will be shit for an entire day.
>>35049454
>no pic of good looking alcoholic body to be seen
>>35049443
usually i get mad at people like OP, but he is so delusional it just became entertainment.
>i-i'll show you faggots! bb.com said i could!
>>35048005
>ex alcoholic
>still go out for a few shots of liquor
not sure you understand how this works lad
>>35049477
here's a video of me punching a bag lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pndWJ9ragv8
do i have gyno or nah?
6'1 220
>>35049452
sounds rough af dude. Idk if it's broscience, but I've found throwing back 2-3 glasses of water just before bed after a binge makes a huge difference personally
>>35049454
use punctuation. i dont understand what you're getting at.
>youre right but youre wrong
>>35049474
it only gets worse. i do have much better tolerance, though, now.
>>35048637
You're not going to be shredded in 6 months especially if you spend one month doing ss getting fatter. It's possible to lose fat and put on muscle with the right macros
>>35049454
I get smashed most weekends and look better than 90% of /fit/ too.
Everything in moderation.
>>35049225
>you cant get girls if you're fat
>lifting for girls
Spotted the R9k poster. Have fun looking like a fucking greek god but only getting slutty Snooky looking bitches who end up kucking you when you look away.
To be honest unless you were MORBIDLY OBESE if you couldnt get women before you got in shape you wont get them after.
>>35049543
a lot of people say that. i thought that too. /fit/ anons are fitter than many would think.
>>35047936
i drink alcohol almost every sunday & saturday and still made progress in look (probably its becouse i quit smoking), but i feel like im not gaining more strenght now like its deadline...i will quit drinking or i stay like this... thinking about stop drinking in 2016 btw
>>35049543
>drinking regularly
>look better
Just because you're 17 doesn't mean that won't change when you're 30 and your body goes to shit.
>>35049575
lol nice one, bro.
I drink wine 2-3 days a week (rest days) and drink whiskey/rum once or twice a week.
<10% bodyfat well built
I make sure to eat alot of meat on drinking nights and I don't get trashed
Wine soothes me, reduces stress and tension and makes everything taste delicious
Everything in moderation
>>35049575
do mommy and daddy know you drink?
>>35049564
That is some serious projecting fatty. I just implied that he should give up drinking asap and start cutting instead of getting laughed at when he goes out.
>if you couldnt get women before you got in shape you wont get them after
I actually fucked more girls before I began lifting, so that's kind of true
>>35049617
what's your go-to wine? i secretly like moscato, even if it is sweet af.
>>35049643
>I actually fucked more girls before I began lifting, so that's kind of true
or is it a consequence of aging? i fuckfewer and fewer girls as i have aged (although the girls i do actually fuck are much prettier now)
>>35049668
Perhaps, but I'm only 21 tho.
>2015
>not doing your 1.5 oz pre-workout shot of scotch
not gonna make it desu lad
>>35049684
you american? it slowed down for me when i turned 21. not as many keggers and house parties. i am TERRIBLE at picking up girls at bars lol
>>35049643
>projecting
How? Its true. Men arent women, we cant get meaningful lasting relationships based on our looks alone.
22-yo formerly alcoholic here. You should just cut alcohol. There are many more things it effects than your weight/muscle mass (and mental health) alone. For example, one of the worst things for me was that it gave me trouble urinating (urgency, frequency, having to but not being able to, sometimes pain)
>>35048498
>no cheese
>no milk
why?
>>35049188
Yessss very glad someone posted this
>>35049844
when he used the term projecting, he was talking about the fat OP getting pissed about his fat life and taking it out on /fit/.
>>35049848
why cheese? because cheese is garbage
and milk is for kids. Get your proteins elsewhere
>>35049912
You must be American if you don't know good kinds of cheese.
>>35047936
Drinking heavily usually makes me more prone to cramping.
>>35049848
There are some PT actually discouraging milk because it has allegedly inflammatory effects
Don't ask me for literature on this, it's probably one of the many bro-schools of thought
>>35047936
Alcohol is calories. Poisonous calories. I just add them into my daily calorie count and act as if they're food, but I don't drink more than once or twice a week. Haven't had any significant changes in my body comp that I can tell
But I'm also on a permacut so I don't know much about it affecting muscle strength
