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>>34980025
looks fucking disgusting baka desu senpai
Enjoy your fucked up colon
>>34980025
Delicious
>>34980025
>I care more about carbs than colon cancer
>all that cured meat
Didn't you read the CDC news? Enjoy having to shit through a bag coming out of your stomach in 20 years after your asshole vets surgically removed.
>>34980025
All that protien, you do know excess protien is converted to glycogen through Gluconeogenesis, thus taking you out of keto. LOOOOL.
>>34980025
>not eating collared greens with all that protein
This is why most people who try Ketosis feels its a FAD diet.
>>34980045
Yep no fiber
>>34980077
>inconclusive studies
People actually eat pure butter? I thought that shit was a meme.
>>34980091
You are perfectly right and i ate broccoli, cauluflower and lettuce with my meals the past days, but today having a big plate of cured meat felt awesome
>all those shit processed meats
Not gonna make it
>>34980091
Why would you use ketones to run your body when you got glycogen?
> high sodium
> no taste buds
> longest living people living in the world ar mainly vegetarians (or eat meat once or twice a week)
Enjoy your early death, low energy at the gym due to low glycogen and eating shit tasting food.
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>>34980137
Great, you should still add it for fiber though.
>>34980151
Simple answer; Depleting yourself of carbs, causes your body to use to glycogen stored in your fat to turn it back into glucose to be used an energy. As time goes by (week or so) you're body will begin to take the glucose in the liver and once thats depleted your body will begin to produce ketone, most of your bodies cells can run on ketones, the rest will just take the glucose from reserved fat cells in the body.
TL:DR
you trick your body into thinking its starving, body makes ketones to fuel cells, cells that cannot be fueled by ketones take the reserve glycogen from your fat.
>>34980025
enjoy your ass cancer and cholesterol
>might as well do a juice cleanse diet after this keto diet tbphmb (to be perfectly honest my brother)
>>34980091
>inconclusive
>"definite carcinogen"
>>34980025
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>>34980392
Don't you mean Dietary Carcinogenic?
Again many of the studies that I've been shown are usually from a click bait article, that forget to add that even with a life style change that these people that tend to get colon cancer would most likely get it anyways.
I've met vegans and vegetarians that were living that life style for 15+ years and they have cancers in the stomach and colon.
I've met a lady that had stomach cancer and with proper treatment and become mostly vegetarian (eats only organic meats one in a while), went into Spontaneous remission.
I've met to people that eat horrible but never have had any issues expect type 2 diabetes (later in life) which can be controlled with proper eating.
There are many factors that come into play, not only eating. Quit playing doctor.
>>34980490
>he still thinks saturated fat causes heart disease
hi dad!
>>34980104
That's not butter m8
>>34980538
>genes are everything, let me throw some anecdotes at you
>>34980562
>mainstream science is wrong because I like bacon
>>34980104
Yes haha i ate so much butter yesterday.
>>34980562
but it does. go get your bloodwork done after eating a diet high and saturated fats and and one with low saturated fats.
>>34980587
zzzzzz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEF6LZ-Gy_g
>>34980083
>you do know excess protien is converted to glycogen through Gluconeogenesis, thus taking you out of keto.
been telling people this for 15 years now and they still dont listen.
keto = 70% fat. high, or even medium, protein in leui of lots of fat is not keto. it wont work.
>>34980025
unless you have some medical condition that indicates it, keto is fucking retarded tbħ ƒam
>>34980614
>unirinically links to a Layne Norton vlog
this is why /fit/ will never be respected. you turn to broscientists and whoever will comfort you about your diet preferences instead of listening to actual experts and major health institutions.
he's doing the same dumb shit in this video that everyone crying about the WHO report does.
>durr it's only a little extra cancer, don't worry about it
the stats are for every 50g you eat, retard, not even 2 ounces. OP's got a whole plate of processed meats.
>>34980664
>broscientists
>has a PHD and shares info and studies from other Doctors too
you didnt even watch the video retard, he explains pretty clearly why people with high processed meat diets have a higher risk of cancer as they have an unhealthier lifestyle generally.
the fitness people eating lots of meat is a small subsection.
this kinda of study more reflects on the typical american sat on the couch eating burgers & hot dogs all day.
>>34980614
Delicious tears of denial from the man who got a large sum of his grant money from the Cattlemen's Beef Association
>>34980701
>he explains pretty clearly why people with high processed meat diets have a higher risk of cancer as they have an unhealthier lifestyle generally.
he should have flashed his impressive phD so the WHO would let him on their cancer board and he'd be able to explain how correlation isn't causation while they're review the mechanistic data proving that processed meats are a definite, directly acting cause of cancer
that excuse wouldn't even work for the observational studies. they don't compare data at face value, they match people for other diet and lifestyle factors like physical activity and body weight
>>34980738
That isnt an argument. You have to explain why what he says is wrong if you want to disprove him.
Keto is not sustainable
cancer or no cancer, why would you willingly take in that much sodium?
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>>34980701
That is actually pretty spot on.
Fiber intake is the greatest predictor of colon cancer (aside from alcohol and smoking), and once it is accounted for, all associations between meat and cancer disappear.
That being said, people that eat less fiber generally lead unhealthy lifestyles and get more butt cancer.
>>34980955
>once [Fiber] is accounted for, all associations between meat and cancer disappear.
Complete bullshit
>>34980268
Vegan go.
>>34980025
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>>34980955
did you not read the WHO report that came out less than a month ago that says red meat consumption is correlated with cancer risk, and processed meat is a carcinogen?
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>>34980570
what is it then? soft cheese? doesn't look like pineapple
>>34981074
The study also says they have no hard proof of whether red meat is carcinogenic.
>>34981099
Actually the opposite is true, the hard proof is the direct causal evidence where they're studying the actual carcinogenicity of the food. That evidence was called strong and showed clearly that red meat can cause and promote malignant tumors. What made them classify it as "probably carcinogenic" instead of definitely carcinogenic like processed meats was that observational studies were more mixed, but of course those studies are more likely to have flaws that could make the association hard to pick out. The strongest evidence was for the direct laboratory testing.
>>34980025
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>>34981074
Sure i did, have you?
https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf
and this is also the same organization that classifies cell phones as a carcinogen.
>>34980340
broscience: PhD
>>34981169
Their own conclusion disagrees with you, vegan fag.
>>34980587
>green textin cause you have nothing
holy shit, I leave for 20 mins and this happens, /fit/ needs IDs so you can filter through the shit posting vegans thinking everyone that disagrees with them are samefagging.
Like I said, quit playing doctor. Stop reading the abstracts in NCBI like you have an understand on what the study is actually talking about and saying "THATS IT, X CAUSES CANCER". Clearly you have a motive behind your reasoning and you project the same feelings to everyone that disagrees with you.
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>>34981179
>strong mechanistic evidence supporting a carcinogenic effect
>>34981269
>All he has left is green text
>>34981179
Yes, the report stated that red meat consumption was correlated with increased cancer risk, like I said. It said nothing about fiber and I'm pretty sure that the WHO of all organizations would have mentioned fiber or vegetable intake if it were a mitigating factor. Can you link me a study or metastudy backing up your claims? I couldn't find any
>>34981326
A while ago someone (probably him) made a similar claim about fiber and posted a study published in PlosONE done on a Swedish population, but I explained to him what the study said and how the authors of it disagreed with how he was trying to use the data. I'd hope it's not the same guy making the same claim.
>>34981351
Wait, no, I think the guy I'm thinking of was saying fiber nullifies heart disease risk, not colon cancer. Might still be the same guy though just trying to argue something else.
>>34981364
Soluble fibre lowers serum cholesterol though...
>>34981364
>nullifies
>>34981470
Infact ignore me nullifies=/=decreases. My bad nigger, carry on.
I enjoy Keto threads so much knowing I can enter and confirm I have a better diet than practically everyone in the thread.
Any diet seeking to restrict any macro is a joke.
>>34981269
>le meme arrows because the study you're citing didn't say what you wanted it to
>>34981885
that's a direct quote from the WHO
>>34981910
I was talking about your earlier claim.
>>34981922
which?
>>34980025
fiber you fuckwad
>>34980268
>longest living people living in the world ar mainly vegetarians (or eat meat once or twice a week)
The oldest living person right now eats bacon and eggs every day.
>>34981511
If you restrict calories at all you're restricting a macro
>>34982183
Are people here really this stupid? That's the best you could come up with?
You're comparing a macro being restricted as a consequence of total intake with a macro being restricted for the sake of promoting two other macros + regardless of intake?
Stay retarded /fit/
>>34982183
>>34982393
While >>34981511 didn't say it outright, he's heavily implying the total restriction of carbs; yes, restrict isn't the right word, but this whole thread provides his context. C'mon, bud.
>>34980025
You realize Keto works better with healthy fats right? Not an excuse to pig out on saturated fats.
>>34982880
>saturated fats are bad for you
>>34980340
>glycogen stored in fat
>>34982145
She also has two or three beers and a shot of whiskey daily too.
>>34982880
Saturated fats are healthy though.
>>34983226
>Not knowing that glucose can be derived from the glycerol component of fatty acids.
>>34980025
Enjoy your cancer.Looks disgusting.
>>34980025
aside from all the long term effects if you eat that all at once you'll feel like absolute shit within a hour
>>34982951
>>34983266
>being retarded on purpose
raging pretty hard right now. low sat-fat high carb diets are basically the feminism of diet.
primitive humans lived better than we do on almost totally meat diets with little fiber. that is 100% of the proof you need and any contradictory study is a population analysis that dosent apply to you.
>cured meat
yes that is potentially a problem.
>>34986134
>primitive humans lived better than we do on almost totally meat diets with little fiber.
Give some evidence for that. Here's a source that says they got over 100 grams of fiber a day
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EvolutionPaleolithic/Eaton%20Paleo%20Nutri%20Review%20EJCN.pdf
> that is 100% of the proof you need and any contradictory study is a population analysis that dosent apply to you.
Ha ha ha ha ha
>>34986134
>primitive humans lived better than we do
err, what?
>>34986134
This comment just proves you are a moron
>>34980392
yeah, a whopping 19% increase in your risk of developing colon cancer
your baseline risk of colon cancer is 5%. 20% of 5 is 1
so you go from having a 5% chance to having a 6% chance. it's fucking nothing, but keep lapping up clickbait garbage senpai
>>34980025
>K/ETO/
ive read through every comment here...
soo.... does keto work?
>>34980025
One of my KETO meals from earlier. Full meat pizza.
Keto works fine. I lost a lot of fat with it. The problem is that you put back all that fat when you start eating carbs again.
Intermittent fasting + IIFYM is way better nutrition strategy to get lean and stay lean.
>>34989195
>put back on all the fat
Eating carbs is what causes fat, you heard it here guys.
Don't be a pig after your cut and you won't put the weight back on faggot
>>34986491
>for every 1.7 ounces you eat
Personally I'd like to lower my risk of developing colon cancer
>>34989520
Go for it, but keep your pointless proselytizing out of threads where it's not wanted.
Does this sound right to you guys?
3 pan fried sausages = 300 calories
Scrambled egg 100g = 150 calories
2 slices of Bacon = 100 calories
Google is normally reliable but I got so many conflicting opinions on the above.
![f475564fe3baceabfa85f6c14eefa7cb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mYTSOaw.jpg "f475564fe3baceabfa85f6c14eefa7cb[1].jpg")
>>34989558
It might save your life some day, Mr. Colon Polyps
>>34989497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr-22qi0Wuc
>>34989579
In four generations I've never had anybody in my family get any colon cancer or die before 85. Save it and go make more vegan troll threads.
on keto now lads, feels goodman.
Carbfags btfo
>>34989581
Are you supporting my point, or did you miss the sarcasm in my post
>>34989649
I don't know.
>>34983266
How?
>eating that much processed meats
why not a few pieces of whole chicken breast?
>eating more grams of fat than protein
>keto
Pick one, you stupid fuck.
>>34991601
>doing it right
>the city of you
>>34991584
>processed meat
nice buzzword, faggot.
>>34991631
Did you bother to read the nutritional information on all that shit? Especially the cheeses? Keto is not eating fucking everything but carbs; it's specifically eating more protein than anything else. If you're eating more fat than protein, you will not enter ketosis mode; you'll just be a sloppy, chubby fuck.
>>34991661
protein is just as bad as carbs if you eat a shitload
>>34991601
Eating more fat than protein is pretty much required for keto
>>34991678
No. No it isn't. A shitload of carbs turns into a shitload of excess body fat. A shitload of carbs puts the body into ketosis to break them down; google: ketones.
Neither diet would be very healthy in the long run, but the keto diet would be less damaging than the massive carb dump diet. Even worse than both of them is a fat bomb diet, which just fucks with cholesterol and will cause heart attacks.
>>34991713
is this nigga high?
exlcess calories are stored as fat
>>34991722
The point of keto is how the excess calories are broken down if they're from protein.
Fucking google ketosis and ketone.
>>34991684
it's an argument between an idiot and another idiot
ignore that friendo
>>34980025
>cured meats full of nitrates and preservatives and a block of cheese.
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Carbphobia is an eating disorder, senpai
>>34991845
the vast majority of nitrates that we consume come from vegetables mate, not cured meats.
>>34991873
>http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full
>Approximately 80% of dietary nitrates are derived from vegetable consumption; sources of nitrites include vegetables, fruit, and processed meats.
Holy shit dude, that's actually true. If they really cause cancer like >>34991845 says, then wouldn't veggies and fruit be the main culprit, not having some bacon with your eggs?
>>34980562
I bet that sodium bomb is great for your blood pressure too.
>>34991873
>>34992161
It's not the nitrites themselves that cause cancer, but the nitrosamines that they form in meats
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/are-nitrates-pollutants-or-nutrients/
Nitrites in vegetables are converted into nitric oxide in our bodies, which is good for the arteries
>>34980025
shit-tier diseased livestock: the plate
>>34993344
Islam: the post
>>34980083
Everyone knows that, however; you don't get the high insulin spike as it is an androgynous process which is what consumption of simple carbohydrates produce
LOOOOL being you
>>34981169
not as much as processed foods that most of you fat fuckers eat on a bulk, that increases your cancer markers more than Keto and I don't even think Keto is a good idea but better for you than you dirty bulking fuckwits
/r/keto is really smart, they know one weird trick that doctors don't want you to know
>>34993459
>I don't even think Keto is a good idea but better for you than you dirty bulking fuckwits
the only thing keeping keto from being a dirty bulk is the fact that you can't build muscle on it
keto is like a dirty cut
>>34980340
Retardation - The Post
By the way, theres no glucose in the liver, it's glycogen, and it runs out in about 12 hours, not a week. You fucking retarded dipshit.
>>34980083
It's mostly fat in the pic tho not that much protein
>>34993483
if you consume enough protein to maintain a positive nitrogen balance in the blood you will build muscle
>>34993533
>keto
>enough protein for positive nitrogen balance
your protein gets used to make carbs. if you eat enough protein you stop being in ketosis
>>34980340
Did you graduate with honors from the University of BroScience? I'm thinking to apply, what are the requirements?
can anyone explain briefly the difference between keto, paleo, and gluten-free is?
>>34993746
Gluten-free can be any diet that doesn't include wheat, barley, or rye, which have the protein gluten. The diet can still include non-gluten-containing grains like oats, corn, and rice.
Paleo excludes all grains, all beans, peas, and lentils, and all dairy products. Depending on whose paleo book you buy/blog you read, the diet is fruits, veg, and nuts with either exclusively lean meats or mostly fatty meats
Keto puts strict limits on all sources of carbohydrate so very little grains, beans, fruits, or certain dairy products, and also requires much more fat than protein so fatty meats and fatty dairy products make up most of the diet
>>34993746
>Paleo
Flintstones LARPing
>Keto
Official diet of fat redditors who fuckin loove bacon!
>Gluten-Free
Placebo / Marketing
>>34993880
perfect. thanks.
>>34980025
>undercooked meat
>stick of margerine with holes in it
>mayonaise
nigga what
>>34980392
UV radiation is a definite carcinogen
why doesn't everyone who has come into contact with the sun gotten cancer?
>>34993994
skin cancer is pretty common
>>34980025
>prosciutto
>deli meat
You're going to die
>>34994072
we're all going to die mate
>>34993313
By what mechanism does that happen during digesting meat? That doesn't make any sense if they're the same compounds, digestion doesn't work like that, even if vitamin C may play a role in minimizing the harmful derivatives. If these derivatives are really the harmful result, having a diet high in vitamin C should theoretically neutralize any negative effect of nitrates. That would also mean that plants low in vitamin c but high in nitrates would theoretically produce an identical effect to cured meats if studied.
Aside from the vitamin C, your link doesn't really address my point at all, unless I'm missing something.
>>34994061
"Common" being an entirely relative term here, which is the point. By how vegans talk about colon cancer you'd think everyone would get a lethal tumor the second they think about bacon.
>>34995967
Looks like you read the video description on the side instead of watching the video. Nitrosamines form in the absence of plant nutrients like caffeic acid, ferulic acid, and vitamin C. Nitrosamines are formed before you even put the bacon in your mouth, so having these things in your diet wouldn't neutralize nitrosamines.
>That would also mean that plants low in vitamin c but high in nitrates would theoretically produce an identical effect to cured meats if studied.
Like the vid points out, it's not just vitamin C that stops nitrosamine formation, but other very common plant compounds like caffeic acid. I can't think of any vegetable that has no vitamin C, but even a 0 vitamin C vegetable if it existed wouldn't have that problem.
>>34983249
She also did SS for the last 110 years.
>>34996149
>actually thinking a YouTube video is a legit source
Ok bro, now I know to discount whatever bullshit you say. You could have just said "I'm a retard" from the start rather than wasting my time with anything less than a scientific source. Next you'll link to your YouTube video that "proves" lizard people rule the planet.
>>34996702
The sources are listed in the Sources Cited section and displayed on the screen during the video. Why are you mad?
>>34993880
>oats, corn, and rice.
Shit, I've been eating gluten-free diet for a while now without even realizing it. Are there any benefits I should be noticing or it's just bullshit?
![barley-pilaf-ck-221927-x[1].jpg_itok=7RVDBjVg.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cR6pRAJ.jpg "barley-pilaf-ck-221927-x[1].jpg_itok=7RVDBjVg.jpg")
>>34996956
There's a benefit for 1 in every 133 people. If you have caeliac disease, gluten-free is good. For everyone else, barley is a really healthy grain to have in your diet (add to soups or make pilaf), rye is the best bread, and whole wheat pasta should be stocked in your pantry at all times.
>>34997015
Oh well, it was just a coincidence anyway. I enjoy oats, rice goes well with almost everything and since I didn't have time/interest to bake anything in months, wheat kind of disappeared from my diet.
>rye is the best bread
Totally agree.
>whole wheat pasta
I find rice more versatile. It can even be turned into a dessert with some jam and milk.
![Spaghetti-with-Chickpeas-Spinach-recipe-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/e4Jjs38.jpg "Spaghetti-with-Chickpeas-Spinach-recipe-2[1].jpg")
>>34997160
Rice is more versatile but WWP is more convenient and tastes better to me
>boil for 6-8 minutes
>sprinkle on dried basil, oregano, garlic
>greek olives and sundried tomatoes if I have them
>can of chickpeas on the side
>summer squash, mushrooms, and greens fill the rest of the plate
>whole tasty mediterranean meal ready within 10 minutes
>>34993644
Why are people saying broscience? It's funny because the people saying that are trying to sound intelligent while not realizing that this is correct physiology. Your body uses ketone bodies after your glucose is depleted. That's how it works. Fact. Stop trying to be condescending when you don't know shit.
>>34993484
Glycogen is just chains of glucose so you're right while being wrong while clearly trying to be a dick. Nice job bro.
>>34981175
Actually my friends who have tried vegetarian all ended up constipated beyond belief and dropped it.
>>34983266
This, saturated fats is ancient info thats sense been made very questionable. The only fat known to be bad is trans fats.
>>34997219
I don't need a lot of variety in my diet so I usually just cook a large bowls of vegetable chili/stew, rice and soup. Takes about an hour, last half a week. I switch up the ingredients for the next batch.
Your recipe sounds damn tasty though, going to try it this week. What you suggest for protein: fish, chicken, shrimp or mozzarella side?
Are there any benefits to cutting by keto over cutting normally?
If any, please list
>>34981074
are you american and have never seen what actual cheese looks like?
>>34989572
Why don't you measure your bacon and sausages in fucking grams, you autistic fuckwit?
>>34997454
you spend a greater portion of the day eating delicious meat
>>34997454
It just comes easier to lose weight on keto while maintaining lean mass.
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impressive 2bh bredrin
>>34997316
Not the least bit true
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Frequently-Asked-Questions-About-Saturated-Fats_UCM_463756_Article.jsp#.VlIMGBQqdEI
I have a hemorrhoid. I've also been on keto for 3 months.
Is keto to blame?
>>35001307
You need fiber
>>35001400
Good idea. I'll add that to my supplements.
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>>35002312
>supplementing fiber
>>35002325
oh dear, oh dear.
Supplement fibre? You have to be fucking kidding?
>>35002325
The fuck else do I do for it?
>>35002704
Either don't do keto so you can eat some oatmeal and beans, or eat a few pounds of vegetables a day
>>35002722
What's something close to keto that won't see me rubber band?
>>35002704
stop being such a lazy, idle cunt and google high fibre fruit, high fibre veg (hint) or high fibre foods
didn't think you had to spoon feed anyone besides babies
>>35002935
>What's something close to keto
Dying
>>35001284
>muh appeal to authority
Hi vegan fag.
>>35002952
Hey dumb fuck, you see the thread title? I was speaking in reference to that. Like another anon said I'd have to drop the diet or chug vegetables.
>>35003008
>muh conspiracy theories
Take your meds, crackpot.
>>35003042
Never said anything about a conspiracy. That lack of nutrition is making your eyes see things.
>>35003008
>vegan witch hunting every time someone says a basic fact of nutrition
Every authority in the world, every educated group of people who have an expertise in this sort of thing, unanimously agree that saturated fats are without a doubt bad for you. Why would it be fair to say it's some ancient notion that isn't true anymore?
>>35003052
You're certainly implying one by claiming "appeal to authority" on a page that basically recites scientific consensus in a more simplified format
post keto foods faggots
>>35002704
>The fuck else do I do for it?
Peanuts, you can get enough to get your shit moving while staying under 30g carbs if peanuts are your only source of carbs.
Pic related.
>>34997454
1 you don't get insulin drop, which means no more feed me now or I'll murder you all hunger.
2 its pretty hard to eat out, and you find carbs are in everything.
3 you shit once every 3 days, meaning increased productivity
4 definition is much easier to see as you're not carrying water weight
6 mmmm meat!!
You eat all sorts of delicious meat
7 easier to stick with as there are minimal cravings
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>>35003136
Lol k vegans.
>>35003821
>everyone who disagrees with me is vegan
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DmOQPaAMBic
Keto is so 2015. It's almost 2016, come on!
>>35003679
Forgot to mention
8 you save on toilet paper as wiping ur are is done in 2 wipes
>>35003983
Nah, just the vegan ones.
>>34993364
Underrated
>>35004002
You mean the ones you hallucinated as claiming to be vegan?
>>34993929
Lol'd hard at Flintstones LARPing
>>35003558
>bad pic of shit in toilet?
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>rare, horribly disfigured pepe?
>>35006676
It's cropped and censored this is a Christian forum
I can't express enough how Keto destroys all craving and appetite.
I have to force myself to eat most time. I'll be 15 hours fasted, and feel like I could easily go 15 more. It's insane how your body stops sending hunger signals.
That fact alone makes you think it could be an instant obesity cure. (as cravings are the fatties biggest downfall)
Just eat clean at a calorie deficit you stupid fucking fucks. Keto is unnatural witchcraft and I'm not a scientist but it has to be bad for you somehow.
It's like these new vapes kids are puffing on everywhere. "It's just water bro!" No it's not, it's water and vegetable oils, and circuitry, and magic. It's unnatural and someday the FDA/surgeon general will reveal it causes lung infections or some shit.
Keto is like vaping. I'm not sure how it's bad for you, but I can say you'd be better off just not doing it.
CALORIE DEFICIT.
>>35003499
Keto!
>>35009429
lol american "cuisine"
amirite
>>35008689
Do you have any idea how much of a retard you sound like right now?
>>34980025
>processed food
>fat doesn't make you fat, guys, I swear :^)
In all seriousness though does Keto actually increase the amount of fat you lose?
Right now I'm cutting using the IIFYM mentality and if I'm able to eat bacon and steak and eggs whilst losing even more fat at the same calories I would, I'm also doing intermittent fasting which I love since it = big meals.
Is keto worth it?
I don't think willpower would be an issue for me. <3
Anyone else /veganketo/?
>>34980025
that looks fucking delicious
i would give my left nut to have that right now
>>35009591
Eww. There are no tasty low carb fruits and veggies m8
>>34980025
It's amazing how well low-carb works. Losing fat without counting calories and being hungry is great
>>35009638
This desu. Nothing else worked for me and it's easy as hell to stick too
Anyone tried making a protein choco cake using a rice cooker?
>3-4 scoops of ON! chocolate
>splenda
>baking soda
>500ml of soya milk
>vanilla extract
>dark chocolate powder
>8 eggs
>some whipped cream on finished product
This could either be godly or a fucking disaster.
>>35009501
No, but some people are insanely carb sensitive(water retention will make you look 10-20lbs of fat heavier).
I can go from being lean and ripped to looking like butterbean overnight just eating high carb salty shit (cheesy fries with fish and chips/ mixed donner+chicken kebab with lots of naan/ XXL pizza/etc).
Some people can eat insane amount of carbs and just look juicier. You'd be surprised how similar water retention and fat gain can appear and feel like.
It's genetics, fuck life.
>>35009622
cauliflower cheese is relatively low carb.
You can sustain ketosis 95% of the time minimum under 50g carbs, contrary to what autistic fucks think (hurr durr must be under 20g!!)
>>34980025
Ketosis works very well, but it's retards like you posting pictures of piles of meat and eggs that are going to give people fucked up colons and cholesterol after doing it.
It's not meant to be a long-term diet for anyone other than children with drug-resistant epilepsy, and you still have to follow basic dietary rules while on it.
My husband eats keto composed of ONE egg per day, loads of cruciferous vegetables, and lean meat with very sparing use of cured meats because he's not a retard who thinks removing carbs makes you miraculously immune to heart disease and colon cancer.
>>35009759
>Ketosis works very well, but it's retards like you posting pictures of piles of meat and eggs that are going to give people fucked up colons and cholesterol after doing it.
And I stopped reading here. You have no idea what you're talking about. Kindly fuck off
>>35009676
>This could either be godly or a fucking disaster.
I'm betting on the latter
>>35009768
Oh right, I forgot about the
>HIGH CHOLESTEROL IS A MYTH LOL BACON
meme.
>>35008605
I agree. It's insane just how long you can last without food. I've made an experiment where I only ate about 1000 kcal a day and it was more than enough to keep me fed.
I imagine you could even make something like 500 kcal work.
>>35008689
>Keto is unnatural
You are literally retarded.
>>34980538
>anecdotal evidence
The problem with Keto is that the world isnt Keto. Is really hard to just eat meat and some veggies, when you go out
low carb(not keto cause I'm not retarded) really fills you up.
Just had a 4 egg + 200ml milk and 1 slice of cheese scrambled egg (500 calories) along with 9 pieces of pork dim sum (450 calories) and I'm still completely stuffed 5 hours later.
1000 calories of pizza or burgers/fries or some sweets is fucking nothing to me while on test+tren, it takes me 2x more carb heavy food to feel full.
and when I feel full from carbs it's the "I'm full but I'm still craving food holy fucking shit I'll stuff muhself even further) full.
>>35009759
>being this retarded
I am sorry for your husband.
It's 2015 people! This is optimal 2015 nutrition baked by science.
Fuck yeah, SCIENCE!
Keep calm and Keto on!
>>34980025
Kill yourself anon
>>35009676
How about you try it, and let us know?
>>35011995
OP pic is a suicide attempt. Carcinogen overdose.
>>34980025
This thread is still alive?
I have mixed feelings about keto, I fucking hate trying to find things that don't have carbs in them when I go shopping, and checking every single label, God damn. I feel like I would be better off just sticking tocgenerally eating clean at a caloric deficit, instead of trying to stack keto on top of it as well
>>35014987
You will be jelly of the guy who has the same body fat % but 1/10 the water weight. (It is a substantial difference).
Why would you not be part of the glorious keto movement, or better yet the carb-back loading master race?
Inb4 no fiber, I take psyllium husk every other day.
More keto meals pictures!
>>35015058
I've tried doing keto for like a month but I don't know how I'm supposed to know when I'm in it and when I'm not and I've just stalled in my weight loss which is really frustrating.
I'm trying to put pescetarian on top of it too and it's just frustrating having to micromanage my carb intake so intensely.
>>35014987
Knowing what has carbs and what doesn't is usually common sense, and how often do you buy different foods every time you go to the grocery store? You will eventually know the nutrition facts of all the things you eat, thus never checking again. It's just having to brain 1 time anon, it's not too hard.
>>35015087
Got to local pharmacy, buy keto strips. they are cheap/worth having.
http://www.cvs.com/shop/home-health-care/diabetes-care/blood-test-strips/cvs-reagent-ketone-test-strips-skuid-306412
>>35015087
If you are following the parameters to be in Keto, it's impossible for you NOT to be in keto. If you're not eating carbs, and your macro ratio's arn't retarded, then your body has to be getting energy from SOMEWHERE. aka ketones
>>35015092
Maybe it's just some weird mental block, I get cravings and feel like I have to fill in my macros/calories to the very limit. Plus I think I'm encountering some onset binge eating disorder nonsense. I'm thinking about it too much and it's proving to be troublesome
>>35015133
I don't know I just really feel like I'm over thinking it
>>35015115
Huh I was just trying to go off of bodily signals and such but these look helpful. Might be motivating so I can feel accomplished when I know I'm in ketosis and whatever
>>35015140
Nothing trains you to beat cravings like being in ketosis. I know that feel of wanting carbs, but when you got into ketosis, it's like quitting ciggerettes, eventually you just start forgetting about carbs/never crave them.
I could see keto being very good for someone with an eating disorder that's overeating related.
>>35015177
Huh, alright then, I guess I can keep trying. Maybe relax my pescetarian rules and mix some chicken into my diet. Just need to get some ketostix too it seems
>>35015257
Most your calories in keto are supposed to be from fat anyways, so eating chicken and fish isn't the most conducive anyways since you want fatty cuts. Do your particular diet if you want, but even chicken with the skin might not make a huge difference.
>>35015322
I could put nuts in as well. Cook my food in butter/olive oil, etc. I've never been a huge fan of red meat either way
>>35015397
Substitute heavy whipping cream for water in your protein shake. hehe
>>34995981
kek
>>34983702
That's not what was implied, you shithead.
Glycogen is not stored in fat cells.
You keto fanatics are the worst.
>>35015474
In all honesty though I do struggle to get as much fat in my diet as people say you're supposed to. Eggs are really my main source of it (I'm not very strict with my pesce)
>>35015544
I'n all honesty though, I make a protein shake at the end of my day, that fills whatever gap there is in a macros. I just use protein+heavy whipping cream+ water. (fucking delicious)
>follows keto
>doesn't eat vegetables
>>35015589
...won't the carbs in too many veggies knock you out of keto...
>>35015604
Depends on the type of veggies and how much you eat.
>>35015642
Are there any safe options here? I'd love if I could just snack on raw green beans or something all the time, or celery, cucumbers, etc. I'm not too keen on just having leafy greens all the time
>>34986134
>primitive humans lived better than we do on almost totally meat diets with little fiber
This bullshit right here can be debunked with simple common sense. Have you ever tried to catch or kill an animal with out a gun? Shit's hard. You end up using a lot of calories just chasing the damn thing down until you get close enough to kill it.
While roots, berries, fruits and veggies don't run anywhere. They just sit there and wait for you to eat them. No it was more likely that a primitive humans diet consisted of way more fruits and vegetables and very little meat.
>>35015720
>You end up using a lot of calories just chasing the damn thing down until you get close enough to kill it.
You are aware that must people didn't chase down their prey but instead hid and ambushed it in a large group, right?
Roots, berries, fruits, and veggies are also low calorie and often required ranging as far from home as hunting did. While meat undoubtedly wasn't as frequent as plants, it also was undoubtedly the primary source of calories (not to mention fats and proteins) for prehistoric people. This is clearly an example of someone who flunked out of school.
>>35015694
There are 2 types of fiber.
Soluble fiber (what we care about and track for keto) has calories
Insoluble fiber, the stuff that really pushes everything through your intestines, does not have calories, and do NOT count as carbs when adding your carb intake for the day.
>>35015571
Sounds like fucking vomit.
>>35015720
Exercise =/= reduction in calories. Remember this has been proved a million times. If you burn 500 calories chasing prey, then over the next few hours your base matabolism will be slowed to compensate for the 500 calories lost. Ending up with no calorie deficit.
This is the entire basis of people saying (diet AND exercise) even still it's really just DIET when it comes to calorie deficits.
This is why I cry inside when I see a fatty spending 3 hours at the gym walking on the treadmill =[
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>>35016672
>Exercise doesn't increase TDEE
How the fuck do people come up with this kind of shit?
>>35016608
>conjecture and broscience over something I know absolutely nothing about
It's like an untrained and obese person attempting to lecture people about optimal training frequency and exercise selection for Olympic weightlifting.
>>35016672
No one is this stupid
>>34982145
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It's bad to look at a small sample size like this. Because most people eat meat, it is more likely that someone with 1 in a billion genetics is going to be a meat eater thus making the top slot. But if you look at the averages, the areas that eat mostly plant based dieted ON AVERAGE live longer.
>>34980025
>>34980025
I don't know what the people in this thread are talking about, that shit looks like it tastes amazing (Except for the dairy thing in the top left part)
>>35016608
Actually completely wrong. Humans were very good at hunting prey because of our excellent endurance
>>35016747
http://www.elitefts.com/education/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-iv-exercise-for-weight-loss/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-jonny-bowden/exercise-benefits_b_1777630.html
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/22/obesity-owes-more-to-bad-diet-than-lack-of-exercise-say-doctors
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3133633/How-exercise-make-pile-pounds-keeping-fit-not-getting-slimmer-surprising-reasons-why.html
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/phys-ed-why-doesnt-exercise-lead-to-weight-loss/?_r=0
This is mainstream information now, you need to update your knowledge from the 90's a lot has change my friend.
>>35016784
at least in hot climates. we have pretty much the best cooling mechanism out of all the mammals
>>35016747
Except you apparently.
>>35016784
I think this is a sign of how bad education has become. A FEW tribes practised endurance hunting, but it was fairly rare due to the time and energy needed for it. The vast majority of hunter gatherer groups hunted in far more efficient ways. This is high school level knowledge.
>>35017402
Do people think we we're lions running after a single animal for 3 miles? I agree, if wolves could figure it out, I'm sure primitive humans did too.
>>34980083
Gluconeogenesis doesn't make glycogen. It forms glucose.
Le caveman totally ate a lot of cheese and cream. They were da original Keto Warriors!! Keep calm and Keto on friends!
>>35018269
right, but you don't eat glycogen, you eat glucose.
your body makes it into glycogen via glycogenesis.
that being said, there is no real benefit to keto, restrictive diets in general are pretty retarded.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16403234
>>35019907
Burns more fat yo
>>35016672
Do you even cell respiration brah?
Why do you talk about things you don't understand.
>>34980025
looks kinda good not gonna lie
whats all there?
>>35016718
>>35016747
>>35019943
dear brehs,
this is an example of an above-average /keto/ user
>>35016672
>brace yourself, the pubmed links are coming
>>35019944
Prosciutto, salame, ham, stracchino cheese, montasio (3 months)cheese
