/fit/'s consensus on cardio?
yea or nay?
Swimming and sprinting is goat.
Rest is for dyel.
>>34860484
>I don't want a strong heart
>I don't want to be in as good shape as an astronaut
>I want to die of cardiac arrest when im 40
hurr durr cardio kills gains bruh
Most people should do some. Probably opposite their lifting days.
>>34860484
its a scam to get you to buy more food
I run a 5k every day before i lift
is this reducing my progress?
It's pointless.
>>34860781
>before
Yes. Do it on your off days or after the workout.
>>34860746
Yeah pretty much this. I wonder if anybody actually falls for the 'cardio kills gains' meme
>>34860484
Who wants to be 50 anyway?
Started playing badminton 2-3 times a week for cardio. It's really great, but you gotta warmup/stretch properly not to hinder your lifting progress with some shitty injury
to get big
>strain muskles
>eat surplus
to small
>eat deficit
to prevent gains
>run for long time
>run too fast
to cardio and gains
>limit cardio time
>more than the one chas bad
>adjust diet to for the cardio
there you fucking go zadrota
>>34860781
You could just do it after, depends how tired you are afterwards but I'd imagine you can't lift as hard if doing a 5k before lifting
>>34860484
I really hope Jen has a porn flick leak out soon
Yay of course.
Judo, sprints, kettlebells, swimming
all good
just don't be one of those joggers that moves so slow they never break a sweat or increase heart rate
>>34860484
Yes, do basic compound movements and a few sets of isolation for Rear delts, biceps, calves, tricps and abs. Rest of your time is better spent doing cardio or conditioning training.
I get pretty fucked off when I see people doing wrist curls and front deltoid raises and they are chubby as fuck
>>34860484
You're not going to make it either way, so why does it even matter, op?
>>34860746
astronauts literally have muscular distorphy when they come back from outerspace
I do HIIT on my off days plus a short version before i hit the weight room to get my heart rate up
>>34860746
This desu. Cardio is good for the mind and your heart. Nothing like the feeling of being capable of covering distance across Earth on your own. Humans are the most efficient long distance runners on the entire planet. Go fucking run, you are built for it.
just do inlcine walking on a treadmill
>>34860781
Probably. Running can really tire you out. A 5k is a lot to warm up with unless you are really experienced. You need all the energy you can get to lift heavy once you progress past beginner weights.
>>34861872
Actually, that's completely incorrect. A large portion of astronauts return in better shape than when they left because the workout regimen is so intense.
is HIIT cardio?
anyway, I usually do weighted step ups till exhaustion. shit's a killer.
>>34862580
Cardio is anything that stresses your cardiovascular system. If you don't know what that means then stop lifting.
>>34862607
protip: any lifting stresses your cardiovascular system
>>34862627
protip: pushing out constipation stresses your cardiovascular system
>>34861872
They have less bone density, and the recovery is getting their balance back after being in an environment with no gravity. They all come back leaner and with more muscle mass than when they left.
look at any spec ops guy and tell me if Cardio is optional.
>>34862714
>They all come back leaner and with more muscle mass than when they left.
that makes sense, because a team of doctors is looking after everything they do
everything gets measured precisely, etc
if you were a billionaire, you'd have that here of earth too
>>34862727
they do running and swimming and shit because that's their job, they need good stats in those specific things
if you're not doing their job, you don't need those things
>Skinnyfat
>Ran 3km every single day for 5 months trying to lose some weight
>Stopped when realized running don't do shit for fat loss
It really is pointless to run more than twice a week unless you're engaging in competitive sport.
>>34862778
H I I T
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t b m f a m its not that hard, you're doing it wrong
How about rowing? Where does it in the hierarchy, assuming a 1 cardio is something like powerwalking and 10 cardio is swimming/sprinting?
>>34860484
Cardio is needed for everyone
Walking, Running, Sprinting, Biking, Crosstrainer/elyptical or even a stationary treadmill indoors.
There is no reason not to do it unless a doctor specificly told you not to.
>>34860854
Running wont destroy gains you dumb fuck.
This meme should seriously die
>>34862554
snap station
>>34860484
100% Yea.
It should be at least half of every work out if you're leaning down. Once a twice a week for general health if you aren't trying to lean.
>>34862989
Bruhscience to the max, running destroying gains.
Jesus, I'm amazed at how many actually believe this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDQVARSDNc
As always, go to the scoobs.
TLDW;
No it doesn't you fags.
>>34860728
rest is for dyel? do you even FUCKING lift mate??? resting in between sets and sleeping is fucking important, I can't even believe how much dyel you have to be in order to fucking think that rest is for dyel baka senpai
just finished a 5k in 30 minutes. too fucking slow
>>34860746
For the life of me I can't find the study, but it has been shown that medium/high intensity endurance training stops protein synthesis for 36-48hours. Resistance trianing and high protein diet counteract this, but not enough to gain on, genetics not withstanding.
Building muscle and conserving calories are conpletely metobolically dichotomous. Fucking duh. It's not a meme gents.
Yes (intense)cardio at least makes gain more difficult.
>>34866509
Inb4 spotted the fatass.
>>34860484
Ask Zyzz
>>34862989
Yes it will you fucking dolt, unless your cardio is few short sprints then you are dead wrong, have you ever seen fucking jack3d guy at your gym that does cardio ? no
30 minutes, three times a week on the elliptical
>>34862554
Smith machine?
>>34866362
I think he means the rest of cardio, like long distance running, Don't be a dingus, check your pingus.
>>34866522
Zyzz is a false god, all hail Arny.
What's better for a grill losing weight: HIIT or regular cardio? What will work best for keeping dem boobs?
>>34866674
either works. you can't prevent boobloss though.
best you can do is take progress pics every week, and choose which one you like the best when you hit your goal. then gain fat up to that level and build muscle from there.
>>34860484
Depends on your goal
If you want to run faster/longer, push yourself in that area.
If you want to get bigger, maybe avoid doing intense cardio sessions until you've achieved your goals, your body can only do so much.
>>34860484
Anyone that tells you cardio isn't important is a mouth breathing retard. It depends on your goals how much you should do, but I'd say at least one session of 2miles/week is the least, for someone who is reasonably in shape, anyone should be doing.
>>34866524
Handegg and rugby players are a testament against that
>>34860484
If you don't do cardio, you're not fit. Period. If your goal is just to be a fat powerlifter or have a nice body you can probably get by without it. But don't delude yourself into thinking you're an overall fit person if you can't even run a mile and get winded walking up a flight of stairs.
>>34866837
Walking and other low intensity cardio are a must for everyone though. Just listen to a podcast or music. It's great for your posture and won't damage your gains at all.
>>34867027
Walking is only cardio if it increases your heart rate into cardio ranges. A leisurely stroll isn't doing much good for your health.
>>34862778
Tbh senpai I lost 110 lbs running
>>34866985
you are a retard and will forever be a retard.
>>34867271
enjoy your weak heart and being out of shape
>>34860484
I dont know about other people but i do pylometrics on days i dont lift. Im a grill who will not be able to lose weight without some form of HITT cardio.
>>34867271
Fitness is about more than looking good.
strength training is enough for most of the health gains cardio offers. i ran 3km in 12:30 just by doing strength training for 8 months.
that being said, HIIT once or twice a week will help post-novice lifters with lifting stuff too
>>34866866
m8 you can do hiit and get all the health benefits you need and you'll barely run 2 miles a week
>>34867366
This...there are plenty of 8% bf aesthetic looking fitness models who are in nowhere near as good of shape as athletes who barely look like they lift.
>>34867396
HIIT is a form of cardio
>>34867447
no shit, the 2miles thing is just shit when intensity is also a factor
>>34867405
>8% bf aesthetic looking fitness models
if they aren't a teenage male or doing cardio, they're /fraud/
>>34862959
Ergs or GOAT cardio
>>34860746
>tfw cousin is an astronaut
>tfw he runs marathons but is weak as fug
I think its funny how many people on here completely shun cardio. You just know they're neckbeard permabulkers using HAES-tier logic to convince themselves running is unnecessary and that they're perfectly fit even though they're 20% bf and can't run a mile without literally collapsing and dying
But hey, long as you can squat 4pl8 who cares, right
>>34867613
i ran a mile and more just fine being close to 20%bf and doing nothing but strength training. youre deluded.
>>34867714
I'm not saying you can't be 20%+ bf and run a mile. I'm saying a lot of this board is fat and poorly conditioned, but rationalizes away the need to do cardio because its too challenging.
Its just like a fat acceptance activist denying that they need to change their diet, because its easier to deny the problem than it is to not eat like a pig.
I just started Scooby's half marathon training routine. Are my gains gonna go away?
>>34867759
no, you're saying that people who strength train cant run. youre wrong.
The only reason I do cardio is so that I can last longer in bed without sweating like a pig.
>>34867803
I'm saying that strength training alone doesn't make a person fit. If cardio/HIIT isn't part of you're routine, you're lazy and doing yourself a disservice.
>>34867852
i ran 3km in 12 minutes just fine, being in any better shape running wise wouldnt be of use for anything except running
>>34866601
enjoy your freeweights in microgravity you dingus
>>34862778
Because you ate too much, you dumb fuck.
I will never understand how some people can fail to understand such a simple concept. To lose weight you have to eat at a deficit. If you eat at a deficit, you will lose weight.
>>34867873
...it would be of use for improving your cardiovascular health.
Or if you want a job in a field that requires cardiovascular endurance.
Or if you play sports.
Or if you just want to be in shape for the sake of being in shape.
>>34867933
>it would be of use for improving your cardiovascular health.
not really, in that shape i already have 95% of the benefits i can get from cardio
>Or if you want a job in a field that requires cardiovascular endurance.
all of fit wants a job in such a field?
>Or if you play sports.
all of fit plays sports?
>Or if you just want to be in shape for the sake of being in shape.
3km in 12 minutes is being in shape
>>34867894
Exactly, running have nothing to do with weight loss retard.
>>34867964
>3km in 12 minutes is being in shape
Yea, thats definitely not bad. Neither is benching 2pl8. Are you gonna stop working to improve your bench once you hit that weight?
>>34862554
>not even hitting parallel
astronauts confirmed fucking retarded
>>34868000
no, because unlike cardio, getting big is useful
>>34867964
>3km in 12 minutes
That's already an overkill in my book.
There's no benefits for being in that much of a good shape for a normal person.
>>34868020
For what? Taking selfies? What's the real world application of a 300lb bench?
>>34868056
for enjoying myself, and mortality is heavily correlated with arm circumference
>>34868056
>being that clueless
People get big to avoid trouble in bad neighborhoods, to get to 2nd base, to avoid getting cut in line and to be better respected by their immediate surroundings.
Running is just good for running.
>>34868090
>>mortality is heavily correlated with arm circumference
Yeah, I'm gonna need to see a citation on that.
>>34867759
Cardio isn't challenging it's just boring as fuck
>>34860746
desu baka senpai
>do cardio
>become friends with qt psuedo-loli
feels good man
>>34868114
Running is good for avoiding trouble in bad neighborhoods too. And have you ever ran a 5k? Those things are crawling with pussy. You've got a lot better chance of getting a girl to go for a run with you than you do of getting her to come to the gym and knock out some heavy squats.
>there are people on /fit/ right now that think cardio is bad
jesus christ
>>34868138
Then you're not going fast enough
>>34868134
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18595904
yeah i remembered it was arm circumference due to a silly reason but anyway
I actually only lift to improve my running. I was competitive in track and cross country in high school and ran D1 in college/uni, and now have remained fast enough that I can pick up a few bucks every other weekend doing road races. My racing often comes down to the final sprint, so I've been doing a periodized lifting program with a base of high weight low rep lifting for strength, transitioning to a medium-high weight and medium rep range program for speed, then transitioning out to plyometrics for sharpening. Seems to be working pretty well, I've started outkicking guys with better mid-d speed than me, I bet I could PR over 400m, 800m, and mile right now, even though I'm training more for 5k-half marathon range.
My wife is a cardio bunny (former D1 nordic skiier) but she is strong and I think I am getting closer to getting her into lifting, but that's only for aesthetics.
>>34868164
I was referring to your general appearance, not for hitting on girls in the gym.
>>34868202
>>the association between muscular strength and death from cardiovascular disease was attenuated after further adjustment for cardiorespiratory fitness.
If they use the concept of attenuation of effects the same way we use it in the behavioral sense in behavioral neuroscience, that means that the effect doing the attenuating (in this case, cardiovascular fitness) mediates the relationship and accounts for more of the variance. That would suggest, based on this paper, that cardio is in fact more important than muscular strength for longevity.
>>34868284
god why are marathon runners so pathetic and useless
>I feel this story is relevant. During my first race last year I was chugging along and at around mile 3 (out of 4) i'm running up behind this old lady. I see something dripping down her leg, and quickly realize that it's watery diarrhea. A few things pop into my head -- at first i was disgusted, but then I figured this lady was awesome because she either knew and doesn't give a shit (no pun intended) or has no idea (which is... kinda cool, I guess?). Either way I end up running by her and I passed her immediately to her left, then cut in front of her to keep going.
>>34868555
You're confusing runners with hobby joggers. It's like the difference between lifters and people who go to the gym to use the Smith machines and walk on the treadmill for a quarter of a mile for "cardio." No actual runner would ever experience what you're describing lol.
>>34868611
no
do any marathon runners not look weak as fuck
>>34861705
>Judo
Enjoy them arthritis riddled fingers m8
My Dad played judo for nearly 20 years, can barley hold a beer now into his mid 60's
>No GI juijitsu master race
>>34868638
I'm sure your 3 hours a week comfy work-out in the warmth of your gym is soooo tough and hard compared to a triathlonist for example. But you look stronger dude what a bunch of weak fucks lmao
>>34868693
>But you look stronger dude what a bunch of weak fucks lmao
i am stronger, and faster as well
kek as if marathon runners arent weaker than the average 15 year old
>>34868775
>missing the point this hard
nevermind meathead keep lifting heavy things up and putting them back down
>>34868867
kek
>>34868775
Faster out of blocks maybe, but I suspect a decent marathoner could outrun you at any distance past 200, maybe 300m. I'm not even a good runner (15:40 5k, which isn't very good at the college level) and I can drop a 26 second 200m pretty comfortably. Stronger, probably, yes, so if you're in some shit-tier manual labor profession then I guess that's helpful.
If you're an intelligent person, you'll do both high volume endurance as well as high intensity lifting, but if you could only do one it would be endurance training for anyone with a functioning brain.
>>34868915
>if you could only do one it would be endurance training for anyone with a functioning brain.
no that is retarded
>>34866641
you missed the joke shitstain it was actually very funny too x
>>34866509
You can't find the study because it doesn't exist. Stop protein synthesis for 36-48 hours? that's not how it works.
cardio fags BTFO itt
look at all this insecurity
This thread has convinced me that fit does not actually read threads before posting/replying in them
>>34868915
I don't think high volume endurance training is really necessary unless you plan on running competitively, but its very stupid not to incorporate any endurance training into your routine if you want to be a well rounded fit person. There's about as much practical application for running a marathon as there is squatting 600lbs...if you're just looking to be fit, you'd be better off setting goals like a decent 5k time AND squatting 300lbs rather than shooting for one extreme or the other
>>34869593
>There's about as much practical application for running a marathon as there is squatting 600lbs
name a practical application from running a marathon
>>34869945
Name one for squatting 600lbs
>>34869945
You may find yourself in a situation where your army just won an important victory and you need to deliver the good news to a neighboring city-state 26.2 miles away
>>34869967
Harder to get beaten up by someone
>>34870005
But then you'll be dead. That's not very practical
>doing cardio
you might as well do ass spreading exercises, you fucking queers
>>34870155
>harder to get beaten up by someone
I guarantee that any 150lb UFC fighter would beat the fuck out of any power lifter that can squat 600lbs...and they do cardio
Fat fuck here, just started jogging last week after having not so much as walked quickly in probably seven years.
Is it supposed to burn like fuck if you're doing it right? My first day was last week, didn't even manage to run that much, but I was sore for days afterwards. Today was the first day I really felt up to trying again, and just a couple minutes in the soreness was already back. Am I doing something wrong?
>>34860484
>/fit/'s consensus on cardio
"hurr durr cardio kills gains here are my e-stats for my lifts"
>anyone with school level education of fitness (or equivalent) consensus
Cardio aids recovery, helps develop a stronger, healthier heart and helps prepare the synovial fluid in the joints (with cross trainer/rowing being better as a full body cardio exercise removing the need to do dynamic stretches)
The sad reality is that /fit/ is full of fat DYEL faggots who can't manage intermediate lifts, people who don't work out that spilled in from /b/, people who can't stick to a cut and steroid users who don't know proper lifting form for the most part, coming to /fit/ for information outside of the sticky is a recipe for disaster.
>>34870222
we're not talking about UFC fighters or powerlifters
someone asked for a practical application from squatting 600lbs
an answer to that is "Harder to get beaten up by someone"
is that false? is it harder to beat up a guy with a 300lbs squat or a 600lbs squat?
>>34870305
I don't think a max squat has much to do with who would win in a fight at all
>>34870305
>is that false? is it harder to beat up a guy with a 300lbs squat or a 600lbs squat?
MAfag here, if you don't train to take hits, you will get beaten up if you are a body builder, power lifter or strong man.
Getting punched in the chin and not knowing how to defend yourself leaves you pretty fucked regardless of your size, that's why larger BB guys don't go out on weekends, because guys with Napoleon complexes fuck them up having something to prove.
When any BB guy enters a self defence class for the first time, they get a nice reality check, a 50kg manlet who knows how to throw a punch can fuck up a 120kg strong man if the strong man doesn't know what to do.
For more information you can find an article somewhere about rugby players and head injuries, Rugby players think they are invincible, in reality when they take a hard hit, their brain hits the wall of their skull just like anyone else's.
>>34870337
you're still not giving a direct answer
it's a very simple question.
is it harder to beat up a guy with a 300lbs squat or a 600lbs squat? yes or no?
we're not talking about situations in which one guy can't fight or some shit
>>34870358
bodybuilding is for insecure fags man i don't know why you're even bringing them up
>>34870418
>is it harder to beat up a guy with a 300lbs squat or a 600lbs squat? yes or no?
I'll answer for him, no, it isn't harder to beat someone up regardless of what they lift.
Aggression + technique will win over size and strength any day.
I also mention bbfags because /fit/ sometimes turns into a hug box of "I can bench therefore I will win fights".
Cardio makes your heart stronger and healthier, reducing the risk for the number one cause of timely death in the United States.
It strengthens your lungs and increases their capacity, giving you more internal compression during heavy lifts and letting you recover faster.
It burns calories without exhausting your central nervous system, letting you do something to keep low body-fat during days you don't lift.
It regulates your hormones, and releases significant quantities of anandamide, an endocannabinoid that has similar properties to the THC and CBD in cannabis. Anandamide gets it name from a Sanskrit word for pleasure. It is suspected to play a primary role in exercises ability to alleviate the symptoms of depression.
>>34870686
>I'll answer for him, no, it isn't harder to beat someone up regardless of what they lift.
Great answer. Let's remove weight classes then because the additional strength and muscle mass a man with a 600lb squat has is of no benefit in a fight.
I swear every time something simple like "being stronger makes you a better fighter" is said a shitload of manlets come out to tell you that's wrong by throwing in a dozen qualifications specifically meant to make a big guy look bad.
>b-b-b-b-b-but if you put him in a cage and he's never fought anyone in his life and he has an IQ of 90 and he gets tired too quickly and has too much muscle that slows him down then he'll lose to a UFC flyweight champion!
>strength isn't that important!
It's like the HAES of combat sports. It's funny because the only reason manlets are involved in combat sports in the first place is because weight classes artificially give them a spot to fight in.
>>34870878
>Great answer. Let's remove weight classes then because the additional strength and muscle mass a man with a 600lb squat has is of no benefit in a fight.
Did you seriously forget that the people put into fighting weight classes already know how to fight? this is referring to a street fight, not sports.
a 150lb boxer and a 180lb boxer will look very different size wise, which is why they need weight classes (also because it means they can have more fights etc).
I also hate to break it to you, but people who train for fighting (especially professionally) seldom train for strength or hypertrophy, they usually stick to the 25 rep range.
>>34860484
Yay, but not on the same day of lifting for me.
>>34871025
Okay I'll rephrase since you have trouble understanding this. You might still have trouble understanding what is being said but you can only blame yourself.
You must be a moron to argue against the claim that a man with a 600lbs squat is harder to beat up than a man with a 300lbs, because that claim is based on the same principle that gave rise to weight classes in several sports.
>>34867804
did someone seriously fucking take a picture of there phone screen, i can see the pixel grid
They don't know shit here. So don't ask.
>>34866524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csX-4eRxVJE
>>34860785
fuck that tomb is cheesy as fuck.
>>34860810
I knew quite a few of my lifting buddies who believed that. One of them was even a former cross-country runner
>>34867873
My 11 year old sister can run that. 3km isn't shit and boasting about sub 2 mile run time is pretty pathetic unless you're in the sub 5 minute mile range.
Want to walk up some stairs without losing your breath? Run. Want to have sex for more than 45 seconds without huffing and puffing? Run. Want to play any real sport? Run. Want to walk for more then 4 miles in a day without hurting/being tired? Run. Want to work out your legs beyond your bitch ass 3km run? Run. Want to be able to carry your kids around on your shoulders at the fair someday? Run. Want to have a heart healthy enough to get you to 80 years old? Run.
Don't be like this stupid fucker everyone.
