Fake natty general
>>34498232
>E.T
>>34498232
Stay jealous faggot
>>34498232
He never claims go be natural though.
>>34498232
Candito is probably natty
Ugly as fuck though
>>34498242
Stay delusional fanboy
Has Candito ever even denied roiding?
He can deadlift like 4x his Bodyweight. At that point does it even matter if he's natty? 99% of people wouldn't be able to achieve that with their genetics even if he is natty.
![Picture+750[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x04BmBa.jpg "Picture+750[1].jpg")
>>34498248
>Candito
>probably natty
>>34498258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYew2F_xvJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_pby_zYD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKI2DRfPP8
Plus the IPF has made him their poster boy, but hes clearly not natty. He and his nuthuggers like to use the "genetics" argument, but he has a 1551 total at 22, and only started exclusively training for powerlifting maybe 5 years ago.
>>34498286
Well the thing is genetics determine literally everything about you... It's the code from which you're made after all. He could have some mutation where he builds muscle really easily and is really good at utilizing his muscle fibers...
My point is that you can't achieve those lifts without either top tier genetics or steroids. So who cares if he is natty or not? It shouldn't be less impressive either way.
>>34498248
He competes in powerlifting and has 3d delts
>>34498302
pls
>>34498301
Absolutely. If candito was cycling or using steroids, it wouldn't even matter. He is within the elite level of humans in terms of genetic potential for strength. There are an extremely low amount of humans that can achieve this type of strength regardless of any enhancement
>>34498302
I think he's natty because I am natty and I can OHP more than he can at a similar bodyweight
But who knows, maybe he's full of shit
>has a photo with a pump
"NOT NATTY GUYS!"
>lifts more than you
"ROIDS!"
>>34498286
Genetics argument lol. How many people do you know I'm roids that are 22 and can produce those numbers? Nobody, oh wait there is one person who is 22 on roids. Boston Loyd, and he is no where NEAR the level of candito. Same with max chewning, they're just lucky
>>34498232
My friend has similar shoulders and is natty. Candito is natty, you buttholes just hate when someone lifts more than you.
>>34498341
>I am natty and I can OHP more than he can at a similar bodyweight
Prove it
>>34498335
You're fucking kidding me right? His genetics has nothing to do with it any more. As soon as he started roiding he threw his genetics out the window. He would not have the lifts he has without steroids
>>34498391
I don't feel like proving it. What difference does it make anyway?
>>34498301
Well for one, if hes not natty hes literally cheating because IPF is drug tested. Second, he made an entire video titled "Why I will never use steroids", which makes him a peice of shit if hes not natty, and he also detracts from the success of honest steroid users with videos like that while reaping the benifits of roids.
Third, he puts out programs that HE uses, and says thats ALL he does, when its clear he roids as well. Programming is much different on gear.
Fourth, the fallacy that "its just as impressive" is dangerous because it implicitly blurs the line between a natural lifter's numbers and an enhanced. If a natty pulls 800, and an enhanced pulls 810, than we can probobly say the natty is more impressive, because he got within 10 pounds without chemically altering himself. But for some reason if you say "810 guy is on roids" everyone screams NATTY POLICE NATTY POLICE and shouts you down, then says his lifts "take just as much work and dedication". Now, the natty who CLEARLY works much harder, is basically faded and forgotten about because the roider is considered in the same class.
WE NEED TO IDENTIFY ROIDERS.
>>34498391
>As soon as he started roiding he threw his genetics out the window
Can't agree as much. Genetics matters
1: When you're natty
2: When you're on stage of Mr. Olympia with other science experiments with similar gallons of chemicals in your veins.
Roids chemically alter how your body works, just like DNA. Roids however, are stronger.
>>34498405
Yeah that's what I thought, you can't do it. For real, what's the point of lying on 4chan?
>>34498426
He cheated his genes by using roids. If he could do it without roids, then why is he using roids?
Isn't he also some sort of powermanlet
>>34498411
No... It is not necessarily more impressive because you don't know if they put in the same amount of work to achieve those lifts. If one guys natty max DL is 500 and he roids to get to 800, but trains more than the guy who DL's 800 natty, how is the natty more impressive?
The non natty put in more work, he just happened to have worse genetics and needed a boost to get to slightly below the level of the guy with good genetics.
>>34498428
Dude, are you serious? Who would go to the gym to film just to please some random guy on the Internet. If you don't believe it, fine
>>34498455
You're so fucking delusional if you think genetics is the difference in these cases.
>>34498426
Are you retarded? DNA is the base code that can determine your hormone levels. Saying steroids are stronger than DNA is such an illogical comparison. Your DNA could be coded in such a way that you would have 3000ng/DL test natty....
>>34498467
Why would you claim something that you couldn't prove? Why bring it into the conversation when you couldn't back it up?
I seriously hate you dyel asians that infest this board
>>34498478
Well the difference between women and men results from different genetics. And look how much more men lift. It's not unreasonable to say that someone with top tier genetics could lift much more than the average man.
>>34498485
That has never happened and will most likely never happen.
Can we keep this conversation based in reality please?
>>34498517
It probably has happened before but the person probably died from either the test itself or other complications of the mutation.
And look up myostatin deficiency. Genetic deficiencies in myostatin can cause a large amount of muscle growth.
>>34498232
This guy's definitely on something
>>34498499
Even if I posted a video you wouldn't believe me. You'd probably say that I must be on roids too.
Candito is probably natty. Just because somebody is stronger than you doesn't mean they're on roids
ITT: people who've never taken a high school biology class and fail to grasp the concept of genetic variation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrGkHp6ZrEw
>>34498501
Its acutally about hormones, testosterone.
>steroids
>genetics
>dna
you do realise steroid hormones actually alter your dna right?
>>34498608
And what determines hormone levels?
You could argue the pituitary gland, but what determines what the pituitary gland will determine for hormone levels?
It all comes down to that G word.
>>34498377
He may "look" natty but that does not mean he is similarily.
>>34498630
Not in the amounts that pro athletes use
>>34498554
To be that strong in that amount of time requires steroids. He also has 3d delts.
>>34498536
>the person probably died from either the test itself or other complications of the mutation
Can you prove it? Or post a case where that undeniably happened?
>>34498532
What's his name again?
>>34498689
You could probably find it if you googled hard enough. But if youve ever taken a college biology or genetics course or have some understanding of genetics, that wouldn't sound in the least bit unreasonable
>>34498286
>steroids
>massive strength gains
good 1
>>34498726
>Taken a college biology or genetics course
Have you ever taken one? Are you sure?
>>34498733
>what is eq and superdrol
Candito is natty
end of discussion
>>34498753
>eq
>massive strength gains
>>34498778
Prove it
>>34498753
Yes, I major in biology. That's why I'm so butthurt, because a lot of the things I read here are absolutely asinine.
>>34498786
OK true, eq will not give you massive strength gains, but it will still give you strength gains. In terms of "massive" that will just be judged individually by the person
>>34498790
Then why can't you prove what you're claiming? I don't think you are majoring in biology, I think that was a lie...
>>34498823
It took, like, 3 seconds with Google.. Just like I told you...
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000411.htm
>>34498426
How is the Olympia different from world class powerlifting competitions in those sort of terms? All those guys are blasting huge amounts just like bodybuilding, so really it does come down to genetic strength (and obviously training)
>>34498232
Anyone who seriously thinks candito's size and strength takes roids needs to reevaluate their decision to lift
You've either got shit genetics or borderline retardation
>>34498853
It didn't say anything about the amount of testosterone produced or how likely they were to die.
Fake Natty related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxY3Bd4iKbw
>>34498343
this
>>34498915
>he thinks there are only steroids for size.
You fucking moron.
Google Hysen Pulaku if you honestly think that.
>>34499229
>I am actually illiterate in addition to being retarded
>>34498915
Explain the 3d delts
>>34498343
Seriously this, I see broke guys at the gym who are twice his size, and I know they can't afford a cycle.
>>34499248
not the guy you're referring to, but jesus man, you are digging your hole deeper. he has delts, yes, but so can any natural lifter given time and training. i've seen natties with bigger shoulders
>>34499270
It is impossible to have 3d delts naturally
>>34498343
Honestly this, what's with the haters in this thread.
IPF actually has good drug testing protocols, and Candito isn't even the strongest dude in the IPF.
>>34499313
no it's not
I have 3d delts and I'm natty
lift longer than 2 years, get strong shoulders, develop the medial and posterior heads and you too can have "3d" delts
>>34498721
Mich Diana
>>34498547
SS+GOMAD
>>34499313
Shut the fuck up about "3d delts"
fuckin douche
>>34499313
Steroids is only suspect if the individual has only been training for around 2 years but have the cannon ball delts.
With how long candytoe has been training its not a good metric for unnatty-ness.
Tbh most of /fit/ doesn't even lift, they just call roids whenever someone lifts more than them. There is little reason for candito to roid. He doesn't get million dollar sponsorship nor are his programs sold. All his programs are free and he operates on donation + tshirts. He would actually be losing alot more than he would gain by roiding.
First of all he would lose hid rapport with the IPF, not to mention alot of fan base. He's natty in my book.
>>34499313
If your retarded ass actually researched how to train shoulders you wouldn't be this ignorant.
>>34498721
Ronnie pickering
>>34498286
There is no professional athlete that's natty. But consider the fact that they are in much less gear and have to hold on to the majority of their gains while off cycle, I think it's quite an achievement.
>>34498232
You take that back right now.
>>34499326
pic or you're lying
>the same people who think Candito is not natty
>are the same people who think Jeff Seid is natural
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>34498232
Candito was my only hope to look good natty.
Pls dont tell me he roids.Pls fit
>tfw starting week 3 of candytoes 6 week cycle tomorrow
Shit brehs, I'm getting scared. Is this program alright for a new intermediate lifter?
>>34498232
Canditoe is not a roider lmao,hes not too tall and stronk as fuck,thats all.
1) he's not natural
2) he's would still be stronger than every one on this board without roids
3) he's not an asshole about it, meaning he's not trying to sell you supplements or personal training
4) it literally doesn't matter. No one gives a dick about power lifting
5) if steroids bother you, then find a different hobby
>>34498532
Lol, he has always been open about his steroid use, so tell me again, how is he a fake natty?
>>34500862
>not knowing about Punch Rwanda's trip back to humanity
>>34500743
no. drop it and do TM instead. trust me, I did his program and made fuck all gains on it because he's been lifting literally 8 years
You guys are like a bunch of women when it comes to nattiness.
>>34501276
no shit, it hurts our egos to see dudes bigger than us when we're hard into fitness and lifting and stuff and have been for a long time so we assume they're all cheating if they got better results
>>34498232
1) Dude's like 5'6". Short range of motion for most lifts
2) Smaller frame means he looks bigger quickly
3) Picture was probably taken mid-bulk, with a pump
4) Good lighting
5) Probably good genetics too
>>34498232
When you're guaranteed results
It's not considered work anymore.
>>34499420
2 years training natty I can DL 470 but my shoulders are grill tier shitty. How train shoulders?
FWIW I believe Candito as a natty, no where near enough evidence in this thread to accuse him. His numbers are impressive but within possibility.
>>34500743
Listen to this guy
>>34501105
Candito's program is not good for new intermediates. TM is much better.
>>34501672
not prior dude, whats TM? i just finished eyebrows 6 weeks as a novice and it had too much volume to start and not enough at the end so its mos def not good for beginners either. i made gains but then again i make gains with rosy palms at this point
>>34500708
he doesn't, dw man
>>34500675
Didn't he pay people to dox Gooby?
Gremlin
do you guys just no watch candito's video ?
guy has MASSIVE bacne, like lmao stop pretending he's natty how gullible are you
>>34501960
when will they learn ...
>There's people in this thread that unironically think Candito is not natty
>>34501960
>that fucking face
>>34501960
>there are people in this thread right now who think THIS is a roids body
>>34501541
It's all about the OHP, side laterals, bent over rear delt flyes and face pulls
>>34498467
Dude are you serious. Who woukd claim to be able to ohp a bus and then call someone stupid for not believing them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVGiGY_eLSU
>>34502664
lol dat shaky voice
it's okay zach we know you love da juice
>>34498242
HIS WHOLE FAMILY (dad, brothers, even his uncles ) IS ON GEAR, BUT MAGICALLY THE DUDE WHO MAKES A LIVING ON FITNESS IS NOT?
>>34502799
source?
also candie toe lives with his parents
>>34502799
U jelly,look at his body man,he aint joocing
That could be achieved naturally. If you think otherwise, quit now.
>>34502810
>>34502812
>every one around me are on gear
>my coach and training partners are on gear and i out perform them p4p
>im natty
LOL keep on your delusions skellys and fatties. maybe after 4-5 years hard natty lifting and you realize "oh shit im not half as strong as that manlet" you will realize
>>34498232
>manlet
>overhead presses only his body weight
>on gear
Pick two
>>34502840
Have you been training seriously for 5 or more years to know it?
Not as strong as him,because i'mnot as dedicated but i'm sure you can achieve a very good body and stats while staying natty in 5 years of training.
>>34499583
Who?
>>34502796
My favorite part about the vid is the end where he posts his transformation and in late 2013/early 2014 it becomes obvious that he's hopped on something
>I'm natty bruh
>natty like natty ice
>>34502869
After 3 years your not going to make very much progress on your lifts.
Thats what all you "omg ive been lifting for 6 months and added 50 pounds to my max, that means after 3 years ill be benching 700 pounds" retards dont understand.
>diminishing returns
>>34499206
>mfw the faggot in the back curling in the power rack with laughable form.
>>34503291
> i went from only a bar to 1 plate in 6 months, ill will be at 3 plates in 2 years
>>34498608
It's also about muscle fibers. There was one freak who's fibers were a lot thicker than the average and he was strong as fuck.
>>34503358
u actually believe in the shit u just wrote or b8?
>>34498646
The gesticles?
>>34503291
holy shit you're retarded
>>34498485
Largest natural free testosterone level in a man was ~1300ng/dL and the patient's endocrine system was completely fried from birth. Died some years later.
Look up Bulgarian radiation mutations after Chernobyl fallout on rural villages.
>>34502859
I don't think that's how it works
>>34498485
>DNA is the base code that can determine your hormone levels
>artificially inject hormones, overriding the levels your DNA set
>this is somehow not an example of how steroids > DNA.
>>34502859
His body maybe, with good diet and years of training. He "obtained" this physique in about 3 years (from his first videos where he was total DYEL) and eating constant mcdonalds and dairy queen.
His strength though, at his age and weight? Not a chance natty.
>>34505476
>from his first videos where he was total DYEL
you mean when squatted 450lb for 5 reps while weighing 167lb?
Do you guys think Ben Rice is natty.
>>34505718
yeah
>>34501960
Well, he is not a pretty man
>>34503367
He's talking the truth bro. This guy and his father were on Ripley's once. They were born with dense muscles and can bend skillets and rip books with their bare hands but they look very dyel. Every once in a while you see freaks like them and in real life you see guys who are a little stronger than average
>>34498286
His dad was literally a powerlifter. Candito was literally an athlete in HS. His first time in the gym he was probably deadlifting 3pl8 +, and his dad, once again, was a powerlifter, so he could have helped him with his training easily.
