Femanon visiting. I'm 5'4, 112 lbs. I'm just starting to bulk at 200 kcal over maintenance. My goal body is pic related. I plan on bulking till about the end of March or mid-April, then cutting.
I guess my question is, how long do you think I should actually bulk for, considering I want to look good for June/July. Any calorie advice would be welcome, and also is this goal body achievable for one bulk?
Posting what I look like next
>>29707969
i think you have set a realistic goal for yourself, goodluck anonette.
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>>29707969
sounds about right. Make sure you're lifting and you'll be good to go around then. Around march you can start cutting for summer
>>29707979
Hey, it's brian
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>>29707969
what would op's pic's stats be?
>>29707969
seems legit. dont hurt yourself. you are in an ideal position in which to begin your journey. post more pix tho
monitoring thread. I look a lot like OP except I'm 5'1" and 113lbs. goal body is similar to OP's.
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>>29707969
Bulk until mid feb, decrease slightly over the course if two weeks (keeps the hunger away) and you should be cutting properly by early to mid march. You have a realistic goal so good luck and pls be in London.
>>29707979
it's gonna take a while to get legs like the OP
>http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/08/getting-girls-to-train/
>http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/09/getting-girls-to-train-2/
>http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/09/getting-girls-to-train-3/
>http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/10/getting-girls-to-train-4/
>http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/10/getting-girls-to-train-5/
>http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/10/getting-girls-to-train-6/
>http://70sbig.com/blog/2012/08/peculiarities-of-female-training/
>>29707969
You might want to spell out exactly what you're seeing in the goal body so we can give a better assessment. What I'm seeing is a little muscle definition, especially in the quad. Thats' certainly possible in 6-ish months if you start lifting seriously. And you have a pretty modest surplus. I wouldn't expect you to have to cut much.
Dunno about that butt though. You might not be able to achieve that exact shape.
Look into a beginner strength program like SS or StrongLIts or similar. Remember, you will need to lift actual weight. Not some bullshit "toning' routine. 5-8 reps, max effort. It should only be easy for the like the first month. After that you should be struggling to complete sets.
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Posting more goal bodies
>>29707969
girl you fine as fuck
why do you look like you have dick? u dont shave down there? is it because you dont have a bf or what? if so we can change that bb x
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>>29708080
>qt grills
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too much supermacs brother
>>29708161
Oh and remember to squat and read the fucking sticky
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Seriously, just bulk until march and cut 'til you're satisfied. Don't forget do pick things up and put them down at least 3 times a week.
How old are you? Those are the type of Bras my 13 year old daughter wear. Do your parents know?
>>29708183
if we wanted to see /fit/ girls we would go to high test threads or fit girls thread or google fit girll or something. we want to see your ass hun.
>>29708174
Wait what, so women should not do low-rep things but high rep stuff instead?
Since when?
>>29708183
Post them in regular sizes for regular people, not tiny sizes for tiny people. We're regular people here at /fit/. Regular people with beautiful bodies but still regular people.
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I recommend checking out the lean mass phase.
It's essentially what you're doing now, just that you never stop going over 200 calories.
If you notice a little more fat, then do a mini cut for 4 weeks then continue.
Don't do it.
>>29708179
Looking to build abs up more, and obviously the legs too, especially my flat butt.
Ii do actually lift properly, I've been lifting for a few months but either below maintenance or at maintenance, so I was just spinning my wheels.
My arms are my strongest point, they look pretty muscular when I flex, and even when I'm just standing normally. Abs are okay. Pic related.
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>>29707979
Is there a name for this kind of bra? I find them muy caliente. Like boyshorts but for titties.
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wo bist hawi
>>29707979
Dat bulge.
Show cock ... for scientific reasons ofcourse.
>>29708279
No se. Boobs are pretty tiny ever since I lost weight so I end up using my childhood bras, which are more comfortable anyway. I guess the good thing with a bulk is I'ma get my boobs back.
>>29708246
Squat and deadlift heavy and your abs will pop.
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>>29707979
Seems realistic if you keep pushing hard.Good luck femanon.
>>29708214
>We're regular people here on fit
Keep telling yourself that; we're 90% aspie dyel, 10% gods
>>29708212
It's catering to women who don't want to get "too bulky." It's bullshit.
For some reason people STILL think that there's some way to "tone" muscles besides making them bigger and getting leaner. Like there's some magical middle ground. There isn't. If you want to build muscle and strength, lift to build muscle and strength. Don't do some less than optimal routine. It will just take longer.
>>29708300
benching heavy made my boobs bigger and look better
>>29708350
Yep, same here. They're so much perkier damn.
>>29707969
That's the more realistic goal I've seen on /fit/
As for your question, I always say 9 months bulk 3 months (max) cut, don't rush things
>>29708246
You have a good plan, I'd say bulk til mid-late March then cut from there. Plenty of squats and deadlifts obviously. Don't be afraid to go heavy
I recently started doing weighted side bends and ab wheel couple times a week, my core is feeling way tighter so I recommend those, weighted leg raises are good too
Swimming is god-tier as well so if you have that as an option do that
Make sure your diet is clean. Lots of vegetables, good amount of fruit. Nuts, oils, lean protein. Oats and quinoa are the best grains you can eat, everything else is pretty much shit (brown rice is okay but quinoa is similar and way better)
Good luck baby girl, stay safe (would smash btw)
>>29708246
> Looking to build abs up more, and obviously the legs too, especially my flat butt.
Between squats and deadlifts, you should be covered there. But don't forget to keep your upper body in proportion. Your hormones will take care of maintaining feminine figure.
> Ii do actually lift properly, I've been lifting for a few months but either below maintenance or at maintenance, so I was just spinning my wheels.
Stats? Rep ranges? Are you adding to your lifts? That's really the best way to gauge progress.
The important thing is to progress, not just lift the same weight every week.
>>29708367
I would love to do a 9 months bulk. However, in July I'm going on vacation to my home country for the last time for at least 5 years, so I want to look good and have a good time looking good. So I'll probably bulk 5 months and cut 2. In September I'll start bulking for another 6 or 7 months, and cut for June/July because I'm moving to LA for college, and again, I want to look good.
>>29708350
Me too but I'm male
>>29708372
Also don't be retarded and stop bulking when you start to gain a little fat, you have a good figure and if you're actually lifting you'll look fine with a little bit of bodyfat (also start attracting the high test alphas)
Are females physically capable of taking a photo without raising the heel off the ground? Legs are great as they are, feet are made to stay on the fucking ground.
>>29708300
Don't get used to them if you want to look anything like the girls you posted after your cut.
You most likely won't have enough mass to look like your goal after your first cut but it will still be great progress, just do it again and reach your goal.
>>29708381
add weighted hip thrusts, one leg hip thrusts, weighted hyper extensions for adding more to the top of your butt, and leg extensions.
its been working great for me. my butt looked really round but smaller until I added hyper extensions
>>29708372
> ab wheel
I can never do that, maybe my core isn't strong enough?
>Lots of vegetables, good amount of fruit. Nuts, oils, lean protein. Oats and quinoa are the best grains you can eat, everything else is pretty much shit (brown rice is okay but quinoa is similar and way better)
I eat a good amount of fruits and vegetables. I eat literally about 160g of nuts a day. 80g for breakfast and 80g for lunch. The rest is eggs, fish, chicken breast, steak, etc. I visit my parents on Sundays so those days I do a lot of cardio to burn off 400-500 kcal and eat whatever my mom cooks. Kind of like a cheat meal but I stay within my specified calories.
I don't normally eat grains but for bulking I think I should. I started having oats for breakfast again and man...I missed them.
>>29708381
Stats? Rep ranges?
Squat: weak...very weak. I can't keep my balance despite all the help I'm getting. Can't even squat the bar without falling. Don't know why.
Deadlift: Max is 45kg.
OHP: Don't laugh...15kg 5x5.
Rows: 22.5kg 5x5, but my back always hurts at the end. It's definitely not too heavy for my upper back, but maybe my lower back isn't ready. Or my form is wrong. Started doing lat pulldowns instead till I can get some help.
>>29708339
>It's catering to women who don't want to get "too bulky.
it's not actually. women are different than men you fucking moron.
post your face when thinking of OP hurting
pic related
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>>29708478
don't do weighted obliques. you'll lose your hourglass shape.
also, please try to lift more
>>29708401
I was borderline anorexic when I was 13-14 so I still have a massive fear of gaining weight but I'm tired of spinning my wheels. I will gain fat, it's inevitable but it's not gonna stop me. It's winter, it's cold, and layers mean no one will see my fat gains anyway. Could use the extra insulation tbh.
>>29708417
I know my boobs will get tiny, but I prefer tiny boobs and an amazing body over massive boobs and a below average body.
>>29708427
Haha I'm too self-conscious to start doing hip-thrusts in the middle of a 98% male gym...
I do weighted hyper extensions, love them so much. Leg extensions too, those are progressing nicely. Before the bulk I could never do anything above 25kg, now I'm at 40kg.
>>29708478
You are probably not flexible enough and use wrong technique which causes the bad balance.
Was the problem with my girlfriend in the beginning with buttwink and all kinds of strange things.
My gf was also unable to do barbell rows until she had been doing deads for a month or so.
>>29708538
>but I prefer tiny boobs and an amazing body over massive boobs and a below average body
Yeah so does everyone else, keep going.
>>29708530
Weighted obliques - like weighted russian twists? I rarely do them, maybe like every two weeks.
>please try to lift more
I'm trying, anon, I'm trying. One day I'll be able to squat bodyweight...one day.
>>29708148
>i'm a girl btw
can't you see this is a bread thread, no one on fit like
>>29708538
>I know my boobs will get tiny, but I prefer tiny boobs and an amazing body over massive boobs and a below average body.
I would slow clap for you but I don't want to come across as sarcastic. More women need to be like this
>>29708538
fuck the stares. my gym is probably 70% male and I hip thrust 135lbs.
How do women live with being so pathetic and short?
>>29708576
Bread is literally the worst thing you can eat
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>>29708545
I just had such a bad experience squatting the first few times (tripping, falling, blushing, dropping my spaghetti) with everyone around me, I just stopped since I was injuring myself. No one offers help and I lift alone.
But this was a few months back when my legs were pathetically weak (yes, weaker than now) so maybe I can try again. Maybe I should do front squats first. What set/rep range do you recommend?
>>29708579
Kek I'm gonna try it just for the laughs.
There's this teenage lanklet who has a painful crush on me...it would make his day haha.
>>29708584
Great genetics.
>>29708606
>.it would make his day haha.
use the vagina machine in front of him
>>29708584
I stopped growing at about 15 and I used to cry that I'd never be 5'6. Now it's okay because guys find it cute and they appear taller to me. Nnothing like staring up into a tall guy's ice blue eyes. Mmm.
>>29708592
My thoughts until I said fuck it and had two pieces of bread for breakfast. Fit my macros so meh. Bread is still hitler tho.
Well not much to really add here, but your goal seems pretty realistic so you could definitely achieve it within your given time frame. Squat a deadlift heavy for the abs, maybe cable crunches if you feel like it. Good luck and please reside in Edmonton.
>>29708633
>guys find it cute and they appear taller to me
>Nnothing like staring up into a tall guy's ice blue eyes.
manlets BTFO
>>29708631
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpemy3Nce8Q
monitoring thread since i'm also doing my first lean bulk now. i switched from 1400cal/day cut to around 2000 on rest and 2400-2500 on training days, also i started taking creatine like two weeks back and the bloat is REAL. i said it in another thread, i thought cutting was bad with all the meticulous calorie counting and constant peckishness, but bulking, man, i can't even look in the mirror. trying to gain weight is everything that most women DON'T want. eating is mentally exhausting
pic is me a few days back, i can't even bring myself to take a picture in my sports bra any more
>>29708246
do you even lift?
(srs)
>>29707979
Just squat and eat like one of your chubby friends until you have those legs. As that's really the biggest difference.
Then get lean for your other pic.
>>29708246
Mirrin that belly.
Would drink champagne from/10
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Nice.
>>29708659
You look good, don't worry about bulking. It's so so worth it in the end.
What's your TDEE? 2000 is a good number but isnt 2400-2500 too much?
The bloat IS real lel. Just wrap up in layers.
>>29707979
You have almost exactly my body before I started lifting.
Bask in the n00b gains, bro.
Your goal should take all winter if you train hard every day.
Your goal body is almost what my summer cut looked like.
Pic related, was me in March.
>>29708686
what do you have to do to end up like this? fucking hell
>>29708698
have no father figure x F
>>29708597
Front squats were far too awkward for my gf to do in the beginning. Try and see if you can place the bar properly without much effort, her wrists were too stiff.
Go get a broom handle and practice at home to see which one fits you the best, either way you are going to have to fuck around a lot with your arms until you understand how you make the shelf for the bar, rather do it at home I assume.
My gf grows equally at all rep ranges she tried so I have no comment for that. (5x5-12x3)
>>29708694
can't really see what you look like. post normal pose.
Listen here little baby.
You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about. Let me just say, you are perfect the way you are. You hear me sugar PERFECT. Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want.
Stay safe for me, baby girl.
>mfw thinking of you hurting
>>29708698
Implants and bad decisions.
>>29708659
>single glove
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Holy shit anon, what the fuck are you doing?
>>29708711
I have hyper extension in most of my joints, especially my wrists (can't curl because wrists bend too much and give me tendinitis), so maybe it won't be as hard.
Also I have a question. My forearms hurt when I do chin ups and pull ups. I seem to be doing them correctly but it feels like I'm developing tendinitis again.
>>29707979
what kind of bra is that?
>>29708718
>tfw I feel hurt and lonely on a daily basis. Depression going stronger than my lifts will ever be.
>mfw actually hurting
>>29708726
I'm thinking of starting to wear gloves/wrist wraps for my bendy wrists. Is that frowned upon in the gym?
>>29708691
cut is 1400. maintenance is 2000 and bulk is supposed to be 2500, but i rarely reach that because i'm being super careful +i don't really have the time to eat. if i manage to go anywhere above maintenance i'm happy.
>>29708761
>go into any clothes shop
>go to female section
>go to tween section
>pick out anything that has the label "My First Bra!" on it.
This is what bra shopping for small-breasted grills is like.
>>29708738
height? weight? sex? chin/pull up progression?
>>29708764
Nah I was mostly jesting. People say gloves are for feggets but I couldn't care less, wear gloves myself (man). I also have problems with wrists and it really helps. Just found it amusing that you were wearing only 1.
>>29708726
we've been through this before -.-' it was after training so i took the other one off okay, no biggie
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>>29708212
>Since when?
Since if they're not doing paperweight at 20 reps a set, we won't have enough time to take creeper pics and stare.
Listen here little baby.
You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about. Let me just say, you are perfect the way you are. You hear me sugar PERFECT. Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want.
Stay safe for me, baby girl.
>mfw thinking of you hurting
>>29708799
Merely jesting. I dig that glove actually.
>>29708738
Then front squats will most likely be very comfortable for you, go ahead and try them!
When doing chin ups and pull ups try to start the movement by pulling with your lats and keeping your arms still, probably helps a bit with the pain.
Try different grip width and such, remember to start slow and don't hurt yourself going all out on a new exercise or one you rarely do.
>>29708498
Not that different. If you don't want to get "too bulky," just don't lift. It's that simple. IF you want to build muscle., lift. There's no mysterious magical in between where you somehow get more "tone' without actually adding bulk (muscle). These high rep routines are just less efficient. It's like going to a bad school because you're afraid of getting "too educated."
The only real difference between men and women in terms of fitness is a) amount of testosterone, and therefore natty limit is much lower and b) women can usually do more reps closer to their max, so they have a different 1RM calculation.
High rep "toning" routine are BULLSHIT. "Toning" is not a real thing. You either build muscle or lose fat. That's it. You don't "tone." Any routine that emphasizes "toning" can be disregarded.
>>29708714
Only photo I took at the time.
It was meant to show off the stomach over anything else. Photos from the summer are in my camera in another town atm.
>>29708784
I'm op.
5'4, 112 lbs, I do 5x5 pull ups 20kg assist, and can do 5x5 chin ups 15kg assists. I'm working on negatives more though.
>>29708781
that's moe as fuck, anon. i love small breasts.
in other words, though, you have no idea. i'll have to look it up myself then. thanks anyway.
>>29708592
Bread is literally the devil
>>29708781
how does it feel that every men you've been and you will be is a mild pedo?
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>>29708892
Never been with anyone.
Also I started going to the gym when I was 16 and I go asked out by 2 people who looked about 35 and claimed I looked "over 20". I look so young it hurts.
>>29708478
> Stats? Rep ranges?
As I said in an earlier post. There are plenty of good beginner strength routines out there. There's no need to ask a retarded forum like /fit for to build a routine. These retarded assholes have a hard enough time doing it for themselves.
> Can't even squat the bar without falling. Don't know why.
I'd have to see. But there's plenty of videos out there and "feeling like you're falling" is extremely common. I'm sure you don't actually fall. It's just squatting is unnatural to a lot of people. I was actually surprised. I thought everyone could do it until I started visiting forums like this.
>>29708892
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>>29708738
put the bar on your shoulders, push your elbows up so you make a shelf for the bar, don't lean forward and just squat, easy.
>>29708914
I'll try squatting again on leg day then.
I want to post a deadlift form video since I want to make sure I'm doing it right but I don't know how to blur out the face.
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>>29708910
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>>29708910
>girl claiming she's a virgin
>posts pics of herself on the internet
yeah right ya whore
>>29708963
lel it's just because I need to focus on college and lifting. feel jealous of everyone with a bf but I know in the end when I've got good results and a good job there'll be time for a worthy bf.
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Swear on me mum
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use windows movie maker or anything and blur the face, google quickly if you can't figure it out.
>>29708978
being a virgin doesn't mean SHIT
i dated a girl who gave me blowjobs in public frequently. she was a virgin before and after dating me. went on to tell future boyfriends that she was a virgin too. people take that shit at face value but it doesn't mean anything at all. all it means is, "i haven't had a dick inside me" and nothing less or more
>>29708982
>but I know in the end when I've got good results
get out of that mentality fast
>>29708982
hearing that makes me proud. i respect that
keep at it. you're gonna make it. the world needs more women like you.
>>29708910
You need to invest in knee socks and facial expressions.
>>29708990
Okay, if /fit/ can hang on for some time till I edit it I'll post a DL video
>>29709001
This. You are going to run yourself to death without ever feeling any improvement.
>>29709001
why?
>>29708978
To ber fair they're not overtly sexual pictures
Here on /fit/ I feel like we should be able to transcend the primeval and just discuss things from an objective, frank point of view.
>>29708698
Starve yourself and get bolt ons
>>29707979
You look very heavy for 112 and 5'4. Either you're shorter than you think, or you have no muscle whatsoever and an awful bf% I don't see why you'd bulk, you're rather squishy to start with, especially if you want to be presentable in April/june
>>29709046
its the same mentality bobby fedorawitz has
you have one life, do everything at the same time, dont wait until you are in optimal condition to start the "next stage" in your life
whatever you are planning to start in the future when you are ready, start today
>>29709075
I know :( Don't know why. I store ALL my fat on my thighs. Upper half is lean.
>>29707979
That's some pretty awful shit, Anon.
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>>29709084
nah, that's bullshit. people can have plans for their lives, dude.
>>29709075
her weight sounds right to me. I'm three inches shorter and the same weight. but I also lift much more than her and have been for months
200 might be a little too close to maintenance to make a difference for you, even as a girl. I'd shoot for about half a pound a week in weight gain if you're bulking.
>>29709131
I was told 300 is too high.
>>29709110
there are things you are only supposed to do at certain age ranges
you can't wait until you are 28 and "ready" and start doing things 18 year old kids do
>>29709142
But what if I literally have no time? All I do is study, lift and work. I have 2 majors and a minor, 2 jobs, and lifting which takes hours out of my week.
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i see you haven't read any of the articles i posted.
>>29709142
>you can't wait until you are 28 and "ready" and start doing things 18 year old kids do
you can if you lift. in fact, it's better to do that when you lift. you'll look young still, look more attractive and have more world experience.
>>29709211
not if you're a girl
>>29709138
I'd say 300 would be about right. The typical 500 would probably be overkill though.
Since maintenance is a tricky thing to pinpoint for me, I prefer to go by average weekly weight gain than a calculated estimate. Calculators put me at 2100 for maintenance, and I didn't start gaining anything until 2700.
>>29707979
>dat milky smooth
Never change OP
Post glutes OP
>>29709218
especially if you're a girl. it'll give you a MUCH better chance at finding a man who is valuable and will stay with you. it hugely reduces the chances of catching some shithead's babybatter parasite, who then flees the scene of the crime like the nigger he is.
don't get me wrong, women have an expiration date. that date is 30. but if they lift, it becomes nearer to 40, if a bit over. they'll be older and make better decisions. they'll (ideally) have more money and be able to start a family easier (if they want to.)
>>29709218
shut up, stop saying how somebody else should or should not live their lives.
>>29709254
wut
Op here. So what's the consensus? 200 or 300 kcal over maintenance?
>>29708633
>tall guy's ice blue eyes
Why can't you be a coal burner OP? Please be into blacks or latinos.
>>29709449
Whichever makes you gain at the desired rate for your bulk.
>>29709449
Post backside for full tips
>>29709449
200 is fine, step on the scale alot, gain no more then half a lb per week
>>29709482
I'm into everyone, as long as they look good.
>>29707979
You seem to have scoliosis. Either that or you are not able to stand properly when taking a picture.
>>29709482
>manlets and shitskins BTFO
>>29708694
No tits, but other than that: Pretty hot bod. Would fuck/10
>>29708882
Fuck you bread is awesome
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Message me when you finish. I think I want to marry you.
>>29707979
i'm pretty sure that's a trap with a dick tucked back
vancouver pls
this thread needs more bread
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>>29708633
6' Blue eye Master race checking in (I had very blonde hair up until age 10)
>Ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer
>>29709536
also noticed this, not that it matters for lifting tho.
>>29709643
When she said Icy blue eyes she probably meant pic related. Meaning a 10/10 with blue eyes.
>>29708633
What would you say for some ocean grey?
>>29709536
I was flexing my abs... My lower back does hurt tho sometimes. Probably due to bad previous form.
Anyone have any tips on overcoming pain from old bad lifting form?
>>29709643
are you really taht desperate man?
>>29709683
Any light coloured eyes = hnnnnggg
Going through a stage where I want to jump everything that moves due to my guy deprivation, so basically just be a guy that looks fairly good okay
>>29709643
you look tender
>>29709679
but what about the blonde hair? How will he please Hitler?
>>29709707
Take a new pic with your beer gut hanging free, no flexing.
>>29709629
nice meme
where did you find this picture? r/4chan?
>>29709707
wait, are you saying that you arent posing for the photo here?>>29707979
If so, you have terrible terrible posture
>>29709707
sure you could come over to my place and get a nice back rub ;) I live in london btw
>>29709725
I'm 6'1 with grey iris, decent face, and shredded, but I'm an autist, so not ok. Bye.
>>29709745
I am posing
>>29708522
DUDE!
>>29709742
It's our own folklore. Fuck you, newbie.
>>29709719
Nah mayne. Just wanted to talk about Nazism.
>tfw have a grill already
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